When I was a young man, a long time ago, bottles were glass and bags
were paper. Why cant the supermarkets revert to those? Bottles were
returned and paper used to light our fires. Then we moved to gas
(mainly) central heating, Now that is a no no. Incidentally what will
happen to the businesses that primarily sell gas appliances? Will they
be compensated?

On 02/03/2019 14:47, Broadback wrote:
When I was a young man, a long time ago, bottles were glass and bags
were paper. Why cant the supermarkets revert to those? Bottles were
returned and paper used to light our fires. Then we moved to gas
(mainly) central heating, Now that is a no no. Incidentally what will
happen to the businesses that primarily sell gas appliances? Will they
be compensated?
Append um. What happens to all the rubbish collected by the latest
clean-up campaign?

On Saturday, 2 March 2019 14:48:02 UTC, Broadback wrote:
When I was a young man, a long time ago, bottles were glass and bags
were paper. Why cant the supermarkets revert to those? Bottles were
returned and paper used to light our fires. Then we moved to gas
(mainly) central heating, Now that is a no no. Incidentally what will
happen to the businesses that primarily sell gas appliances? Will they
be compensated?

Domestic gas is to be banned in a few years.

On 02/03/2019 16:34, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 2 March 2019 14:48:02 UTC, Broadback wrote:
When I was a young man, a long time ago, bottles were glass and bags
were paper. Why cant the supermarkets revert to those? Bottles were
returned and paper used to light our fires. Then we moved to gas
(mainly) central heating, Now that is a no no. Incidentally what will
happen to the businesses that primarily sell gas appliances? Will they
be compensated?

Domestic gas is to be banned in a few years.


No it isn't.

On 02/03/2019 16:34, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 2 March 2019 14:48:02 UTC, Broadback wrote:
When I was a young man, a long time ago, bottles were glass and bags
were paper. Why cant the supermarkets revert to those? Bottles were
returned and paper used to light our fires. Then we moved to gas
(mainly) central heating, Now that is a no no. Incidentally what will
happen to the businesses that primarily sell gas appliances? Will they
be compensated?

Domestic gas is to be banned in a few years.


If you call 30 years a few. Even so, biogas is being considered as an
acceptable alternative, so it might be more akin to the changeover from
town gas to natural gas than a complete end to gas as a fuel.

--
--

Colin Bignell

On Saturday, 2 March 2019 17:13:09 UTC, Nightjar wrote:
If you call 30 years a few. Even so, biogas is being considered as an
acceptable alternative, so it might be more akin to the changeover from
town gas to natural gas

I can just about remember how well that didn't go, and that was with the Gas Board.

Now I expect it would be something like the smart meter fiasco.

Owain

On 02/03/2019 17:13, Nightjar wrote:
On 02/03/2019 16:34, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 2 March 2019 14:48:02 UTC, BroadbackÂ* wrote:
When I was a young man, a long time ago, bottles were glass and bags
were paper. Why cant the supermarkets revert to those? Bottles were
returned and paper used to light our fires. Then we moved to gas
(mainly) central heating, Now that is a no no. Incidentally what will
happen to the businesses that primarily sell gas appliances? Will they
be compensated?

Domestic gas is to be banned in a few years.


If you call 30 years a few. Even so, biogas is being considered as an
acceptable alternative, so it might be more akin to the changeover from
town gas to natural gas than a complete end to gas as a fuel.

OTOH there may well be a move away from ecocrap as the issues involved
with it become impossible to lie about



--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

On 02/03/2019 17:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 02/03/2019 16:34, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 2 March 2019 14:48:02 UTC, BroadbackÂ* wrote:
When I was a young man, a long time ago, bottles were glass and bags
were paper. Why cant the supermarkets revert to those? Bottles were
returned and paper used to light our fires. Then we moved to gas
(mainly) central heating, Now that is a no no. Incidentally what will
happen to the businesses that primarily sell gas appliances? Will they
be compensated?

Domestic gas is to be banned in a few years.

If you call 30 years a few. Even so, biogas is being considered as an
acceptable alternative, so it might be more akin to the changeover
from town gas to natural gas than a complete end to gas as a fuel.

What's so magic about biogas? How does it differ from methane?


It is renewable, uses no energy to produce it, reduces soil and water
pollution (as compared to landfill), has organic fertiliser as a
by-product and the production cycle captures methane, resulting in a
zero-emissions fuel.

--
--

Colin Bignell

On 02/03/2019 17:23, Nightjar wrote:
It is renewable, uses no energy to produce it, reduces soil and water
pollution (as compared to landfill), has organic fertiliser as a
by-product and the production cycle captures methane, resulting in a
zero-emissions fuel.

ROFLMAO!

A True Believer!

--
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's
too dark to read.

Groucho Marx

On 02/03/2019 18:11, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 02/03/2019 17:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 02/03/2019 16:34, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 2 March 2019 14:48:02 UTC, BroadbackÂ* wrote:
When I was a young man, a long time ago, bottles were glass and bags
were paper. Why cant the supermarkets revert to those? Bottles were
returned and paper used to light our fires. Then we moved to gas
(mainly) central heating, Now that is a no no. Incidentally what will
happen to the businesses that primarily sell gas appliances? Will
they
be compensated?

Domestic gas is to be banned in a few years.

If you call 30 years a few. Even so, biogas is being considered as
an acceptable alternative, so it might be more akin to the
changeover from town gas to natural gas than a complete end to gas
as a fuel.

What's so magic about biogas? How does it differ from methane?


It is renewable, uses no energy to produce it, reduces soil and water
pollution (as compared to landfill), has organic fertiliser as a
by-product and the production cycle captures methane, resulting in a
zero-emissions fuel.

Thanks for not answering my question which was, how does it differ from
methane. Are you implying that it doesn't?

If you were trying to describe how it's produced, you've not done that
either.

If it's made from something growing, it'll take the carbon from the
atmosphere so it'll be carbon neutral.

--
Max Demian

On 02/03/2019 23:10, Max Demian wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:11, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 02/03/2019 17:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 02/03/2019 16:34, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 2 March 2019 14:48:02 UTC, BroadbackÂ* wrote:
When I was a young man, a long time ago, bottles were glass and bags
were paper. Why cant the supermarkets revert to those? Bottles were
returned and paper used to light our fires. Then we moved to gas
(mainly) central heating, Now that is a no no. Incidentally what
will
happen to the businesses that primarily sell gas appliances? Will
they
be compensated?

Domestic gas is to be banned in a few years.

If you call 30 years a few. Even so, biogas is being considered as
an acceptable alternative, so it might be more akin to the
changeover from town gas to natural gas than a complete end to gas
as a fuel.

What's so magic about biogas? How does it differ from methane?


It is renewable, uses no energy to produce it, reduces soil and water
pollution (as compared to landfill), has organic fertiliser as a
by-product and the production cycle captures methane, resulting in a
zero-emissions fuel.

Thanks for not answering my question which was, how does it differ from
methane. Are you implying that it doesn't?

If you were trying to describe how it's produced, you've not done that
either.

If it's made from something growing, it'll take the carbon from the
atmosphere so it'll be carbon neutral.

North sea gas was made from something growing, and presumably it did
take the carbon from the atmosphere so it is carbon neutral.

Its just time we put it back to help plants grwow.

It's just recycling plant waste to plant food.



--
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's
too dark to read.

Groucho Marx

On 02/03/2019 18:11, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 02/03/2019 17:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 02/03/2019 16:34, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 2 March 2019 14:48:02 UTC, BroadbackÂ* wrote:
When I was a young man, a long time ago, bottles were glass and bags
were paper. Why cant the supermarkets revert to those? Bottles were
returned and paper used to light our fires. Then we moved to gas
(mainly) central heating, Now that is a no no. Incidentally what will
happen to the businesses that primarily sell gas appliances? Will
they
be compensated?

Domestic gas is to be banned in a few years.

If you call 30 years a few. Even so, biogas is being considered as
an acceptable alternative, so it might be more akin to the
changeover from town gas to natural gas than a complete end to gas
as a fuel.

What's so magic about biogas? How does it differ from methane?


It is renewable, uses no energy to produce it, reduces soil and water
pollution (as compared to landfill), has organic fertiliser as a
by-product and the production cycle captures methane, resulting in a
zero-emissions fuel.

Thanks for not answering my question which was, how does it differ from
methane. Are you implying that it doesn't?

If you were trying to describe how it's produced, you've not done that
either.


I did answer your question. I gave the differences that make biogas a
suitable alternative to fossil fuel gas. Those are the only relevant
differences that would affect its choice as a substitute.

However, its similarity to natural gas, in being a good source of
methane, would also make it a better choice than, say hydrogen. On
average, biogas contains slightly less methane than natural gas; 55-70%
cf 60-90%. However, the gas that reaches the consumer today has been
processed to be almost pure methane and, if that can also be done with
biogas, it could result in a seamless changeover.



--
--

Colin Bignell

On 03/03/2019 15:59, Nightjar wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:11, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 02/03/2019 17:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 02/03/2019 16:34, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 2 March 2019 14:48:02 UTC, BroadbackÂ* wrote:
When I was a young man, a long time ago, bottles were glass and bags
were paper. Why cant the supermarkets revert to those? Bottles were
returned and paper used to light our fires. Then we moved to gas
(mainly) central heating, Now that is a no no. Incidentally what
will
happen to the businesses that primarily sell gas appliances? Will
they
be compensated?

Domestic gas is to be banned in a few years.

If you call 30 years a few. Even so, biogas is being considered as
an acceptable alternative, so it might be more akin to the
changeover from town gas to natural gas than a complete end to gas
as a fuel.

What's so magic about biogas? How does it differ from methane?


It is renewable, uses no energy to produce it, reduces soil and water
pollution (as compared to landfill), has organic fertiliser as a
by-product and the production cycle captures methane, resulting in a
zero-emissions fuel.

Thanks for not answering my question which was, how does it differ from
methane. Are you implying that it doesn't?

If you were trying to describe how it's produced, you've not done that
either.


I did answer your question. I gave the differences that make biogas a
suitable alternative to fossil fuel gas. Those are the only relevant
differences that would affect its choice as a substitute.

However, its similarity to natural gas, in being a good source of
methane, would also make it a better choice than, say hydrogen. On
average, biogas contains slightly less methane than natural gas; 55-70%
cf 60-90%. However, the gas that reaches the consumer today has been
processed to be almost pure methane and, if that can also be done with
biogas, it could result in a seamless changeover.



As usual you have simp0ly not done the sums.

The total land area of Great Britain is 209,331 km^2

The average outout of a field of best practice biomass growth in terms
of unprocessed biomass is 0.2W/sq m opr 0.2MW/sq km

So if the *whole of great britain* were laid down to biofuel - assuming
it could be grown in the scottish highlands etc - would be around 40GW.

Convert that into gas and you wouldnt get anywhere near that.

The TOTAL energy consumption of the UK averages out at 256GW give or take.

THERE IS NOT ENOUGH SUNLIGHT FALLING ON THE ENTIRE UK TO GROW ENOUGH
BIOMASS TO REPLACE NMATUYRAL GAS AND FOSSIL FUELS BY A FACTOR of 6:1

BIOMASS is ten times less efficent than windmills, which are 50 times
less efficient than solar panels, in terms of ouput per unit land area,
and the only virtue is that they represent stored energy.

Why dont you go away and do some basic research before spouting your
mindless fact free fourth hand 'opinions'


--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)

On 02/03/2019 17:14, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Nightjar
wrote:

On 02/03/2019 16:34, harry wrote:
On Saturday, 2 March 2019 14:48:02 UTC, BroadbackÂ* wrote:
When I was a young man, a long time ago, bottles were glass and bags
were paper. Why cant the supermarkets revert to those? Bottles were
returned and paper used to light our fires. Then we moved to gas
(mainly) central heating, Now that is a no no. Incidentally what will
happen to the businesses that primarily sell gas appliances? Will they
be compensated?

Domestic gas is to be banned in a few years.

If you call 30 years a few. Even so, biogas is being considered as an
acceptable alternative, so it might be more akin to the changeover
from town gas to natural gas than a complete end to gas as a fuel.

What's so magic about biogas? How does it differ from methane?

It doesnt. Methane IS biogas. All gas and oil - unless you are an
abiotic 'believer' are biological in origin.



--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

Well, for a start most of my milk still comes in glass bottles because its
delivered. The problem with glass is that its heavy to transport of course
and it has to be cleaned every round trip.
Cartons are now recyclable it seems so I do that, as with cans and plastic
food containers.
The problem with recycling is that sadly the same carton cannot be cleaned
and sterilised, it needs to be melted down into something to make something
else and there seems a finite number of times you can do this, probably more
energy hungry than sterilising a bottle , but I've never seen a comparison.
Paper bags are fine, and still with us of course but they are a pain if you
walk to do your shopping and its raining.


I personally think the pre packed food with plastic over it is probably
extremely wasteful also they fill the package with gas of some kind to help
preserve the contents.

The universe likes to make disorder from order and this is why there is so
much plastic around the environment. Its not good, but what can we do, the
cat is out of the bag so to speak.
Brian

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"Broadback" wrote in message
...
When I was a young man, a long time ago, bottles were glass and bags were
paper. Why cant the supermarkets revert to those? Bottles were returned
and paper used to light our fires. Then we moved to gas (mainly) central
heating, Now that is a no no. Incidentally what will happen to the
businesses that primarily sell gas appliances? Will they be compensated?

On 03/03/2019 08:24, Brian Gaff wrote:
Well, for a start most of my milk still comes in glass bottles because its
delivered. The problem with glass is that its heavy to transport of course
and it has to be cleaned every round trip.
Cartons are now recyclable it seems so I do that, as with cans and plastic
food containers.
The problem with recycling is that sadly the same carton cannot be cleaned
and sterilised, it needs to be melted down into something to make something
else and there seems a finite number of times you can do this, probably more
energy hungry than sterilising a bottle , but I've never seen a comparison.
Paper bags are fine, and still with us of course but they are a pain if you
walk to do your shopping and its raining.

Vegetables need to be put into something, especially if multiple. (I
don't mind sticking a label on a single courgette.) Supermarkets won't
trust us with paper bags: Tesco (used to) provide paper bags with a
plastic window for mushrooms.

I personally think the pre packed food with plastic over it is probably
extremely wasteful also they fill the package with gas of some kind to help
preserve the contents.

The plastic trays for fresh meat and fish can't be recycled easily as
they are usually black which is the same colour as the conveyor belts
and have a different plastic for the clear lid.

I need to see what it looks like; not every store has fresh food
counters and the operatives aren't very good at cutting a precise amount
of fish.

--
Max Demian

"Max Demian" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 03/03/2019 08:24, Brian Gaff wrote:
Well, for a start most of my milk still comes in glass bottles because
its
delivered. The problem with glass is that its heavy to transport of
course
and it has to be cleaned every round trip.
Cartons are now recyclable it seems so I do that, as with cans and
plastic
food containers.
The problem with recycling is that sadly the same carton cannot be
cleaned
and sterilised, it needs to be melted down into something to make
something
else and there seems a finite number of times you can do this, probably
more
energy hungry than sterilising a bottle , but I've never seen a
comparison.
Paper bags are fine, and still with us of course but they are a pain if
you
walk to do your shopping and its raining.

Vegetables need to be put into something, especially if multiple. (I don't
mind sticking a label on a single courgette.)

Ours do it on everything now, even nectarines and apples,
as I discovered when I put the plastic bag of nectarines on
the self checkout machine and had it tell me what it was
instead of me having to tell the machine what it was.

Supermarkets won't trust us with paper bags:

Ours do. The breadmix mostly comes in very solid paper bags.

Tesco (used to) provide paper bags with a plastic window for mushrooms.

I personally think the pre packed food with plastic over it is probably
extremely wasteful also they fill the package with gas of some kind to
help preserve the contents.

The plastic trays for fresh meat and fish can't be recycled easily as they
are usually black which is the same colour as the conveyor belts and have
a different plastic for the clear lid.

Ours dont have a clear lid, clingwrap instead.

I need to see what it looks like; not every store has fresh food counters
and the operatives aren't very good at cutting a precise amount of fish.

I dont bother with commercial fish. Its either come
from a sewer in Vietnam etc or from raping the oceans.

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 05:12:59 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:

Vegetables need to be put into something, especially if multiple. (I don't
mind sticking a label on a single courgette.)

Ours do it on everything now

Nobody gives a ****, psychopathic Ozzie troll! This is a UK group, in case
you haven't noticed yet! tsk

--
Bod addressing abnormal senile quarreller Rot:
"Do you practice arguing with yourself in an empty room?"
MID:

On 03/03/2019 08:39, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:

I personally think the pre packed food with plastic over it is
probably extremely wasteful also they fill the package with gas of
some kind to help preserve the contents.

Nitrogen, I imagine. Harmless as 80% of what you breathe is nitrogen.

Meat is sometimes packed in pure oxygen to keep it pink. They
demonstrated this in "Bang Goes the Theory" I think with a glowing spill.

--
Max Demian

On 02/03/2019 17:04, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Broadback
wrote:

When I was a young man, a long time ago, bottles were glass and bags
were paper. Why cant the supermarkets revert to those?

Glass is heavier than plastic, but I suppose someone might develop
lighter weight tougher glass.

They already did, the small thin bottles used for continental style beer
in supermarkets being an example.


Morrison's is moving back to paper.

On 02/03/2019 17:32, newshound wrote:

Glass is heavier than plastic, but I suppose someone might develop
lighter weight tougher glass.

The best way to lighten a material is to perforate it.

Bill

On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 21:16:26 +0000, Bill Wright wrote:

On 02/03/2019 17:32, newshound wrote:

Glass is heavier than plastic, but I suppose someone might develop
lighter weight tougher glass.

The best way to lighten a material is to perforate it.

Bill

Do it when the bottle is full - holey water!
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 02/03/2019 18:12, Tim Streater wrote:


Glass is heavier than plastic, but I suppose someone might develop
lighter weight tougher glass.

They already did, the small thin bottles used for continental style
beer in supermarkets being an example.

OK. That still leaves the weight issue, although I'd be in favour of
banning plastic bottles either way.


Cheaper, lighter, safer. The problem is not the bottles, it is the
people who don't take care disposing of them.

On 02/03/2019 18:22, newshound wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:12, Tim Streater wrote:


Glass is heavier than plastic, but I suppose someone might develop
lighter weight tougher glass.

They already did, the small thin bottles used for continental style
beer in supermarkets being an example.

OK. That still leaves the weight issue, although I'd be in favour of
banning plastic bottles either way.


Cheaper, lighter, safer. The problem is not the bottles, it is the
people who don't take care disposing of them.

Banning the sale of bottled water would be a good way to save some of
the environment.
It really isn't needed.

On Saturday, 2 March 2019 18:32:48 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:22, newshound wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:12, Tim Streater wrote:


Glass is heavier than plastic, but I suppose someone might develop
lighter weight tougher glass.

They already did, the small thin bottles used for continental style
beer in supermarkets being an example.

OK. That still leaves the weight issue, although I'd be in favour of
banning plastic bottles either way.


Cheaper, lighter, safer. The problem is not the bottles, it is the
people who don't take care disposing of them.

Banning the sale of bottled water would be a good way to save some of
the environment.
It really isn't needed.

Most isn't. The same is true of coke, fizy orange & all the other soft drinks. I think you'd have an uphill job banning them all.


NT

On 02/03/2019 19:39, wrote:
On Saturday, 2 March 2019 18:32:48 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:22, newshound wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:12, Tim Streater wrote:


Glass is heavier than plastic, but I suppose someone might develop
lighter weight tougher glass.

They already did, the small thin bottles used for continental style
beer in supermarkets being an example.

OK. That still leaves the weight issue, although I'd be in favour of
banning plastic bottles either way.


Cheaper, lighter, safer. The problem is not the bottles, it is the
people who don't take care disposing of them.

Banning the sale of bottled water would be a good way to save some of
the environment.
It really isn't needed.

Most isn't. The same is true of coke, fizy orange & all the other soft drinks. I think you'd have an uphill job banning them all.

Soft drinks are a different product. Water is water.

--
Max Demian

On Saturday, 2 March 2019 19:39:17 UTC, wrote:
Banning the sale of bottled water would be a good way to save some of
the environment.
It really isn't needed.
Most isn't. The same is true of coke, fizy orange & all the other soft drinks.
I think you'd have an uphill job banning them all.

They could be made more expensive though, like fags and alcohol.

Owain

On 02/03/2019 18:32, dennis@home wrote:


Banning the sale of bottled water would be a good way to save some of
the environment.
It really isn't needed.

What if your tap water is horrid to taste?

Bill

On 02/03/2019 21:18, Bill Wright wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:32, dennis@home wrote:


Banning the sale of bottled water would be a good way to save some of
the environment.
It really isn't needed.

What if your tap water is horrid to taste?

You can get a filter or if desperate a Revere Osmosis machine. Actually
pure water is meant to taste foul!

Bill Wright wrote
dennis@home wrote

Banning the sale of bottled water would be a
good way to save some of the environment.
It really isn't needed.

What if your tap water is horrid to taste?

You get to install a decent system that fixes that.
Makes a lot more sense than carting billions of
litters of tap water around in plastic bottles.

On 02/03/2019 21:18, Bill Wright wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:32, dennis@home wrote:


Banning the sale of bottled water would be a good way to save some of
the environment.
It really isn't needed.

What if your tap water is horrid to taste?

Get a filter jug to keep in the fridge. Keeps it chilled too, so you
don't have to waste water running it. You only need to do it for water
you drink neat - tea and squash can be made with tap water unless
there's something seriously the matter with your supply.

--
Max Demian

On 02/03/2019 21:18, Bill Wright wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:32, dennis@home wrote:


Banning the sale of bottled water would be a good way to save some of
the environment.
It really isn't needed.

What if your tap water is horrid to taste?

Bill

Cheap filter.

On Saturday, 2 March 2019 21:18:04 UTC, Bill Wright wrote:
What if your tap water is horrid to taste?

Drink beer instead.

Owain

dennis@home wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:22, newshound wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:12, Tim Streater wrote:


Glass is heavier than plastic, but I suppose someone might develop
lighter weight tougher glass.

They already did, the small thin bottles used for continental style
beer in supermarkets being an example.

OK. That still leaves the weight issue, although I'd be in favour of
banning plastic bottles either way.


Cheaper, lighter, safer. The problem is not the bottles, it is the
people who don't take care disposing of them.

Banning the sale of bottled water would be a good way to save some of
the environment.
It really isn't needed.

Banning TV would save more, think of the electricity that would be
saved. Lots of things could be banned that we don't need to survive.

--
Chris Green
·

Chris Green wrote:
dennis@home wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:22, newshound wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:12, Tim Streater wrote:


Glass is heavier than plastic, but I suppose someone might develop
lighter weight tougher glass.

They already did, the small thin bottles used for continental style
beer in supermarkets being an example.

OK. That still leaves the weight issue, although I'd be in favour of
banning plastic bottles either way.


Cheaper, lighter, safer. The problem is not the bottles, it is the
people who don't take care disposing of them.

Banning the sale of bottled water would be a good way to save some of
the environment.
It really isn't needed.

Banning TV would save more, think of the electricity that would be
saved. Lots of things could be banned that we don't need to survive.

Like most of the front section of the chemist shop.

On 02/03/2019 21:34, Chris Green wrote:
dennis@home wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:22, newshound wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:12, Tim Streater wrote:


Glass is heavier than plastic, but I suppose someone might develop
lighter weight tougher glass.

They already did, the small thin bottles used for continental style
beer in supermarkets being an example.

OK. That still leaves the weight issue, although I'd be in favour of
banning plastic bottles either way.


Cheaper, lighter, safer. The problem is not the bottles, it is the
people who don't take care disposing of them.

Banning the sale of bottled water would be a good way to save some of
the environment.
It really isn't needed.

Banning TV would save more, think of the electricity that would be
saved. Lots of things could be banned that we don't need to survive.


TV is far less polluting than driving tons of water about in lorries
when better stuff comes out of the tap.

On Saturday, 2 March 2019 21:48:04 UTC, Chris Green wrote:
dennis@home wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:22, newshound wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:12, Tim Streater wrote:


Glass is heavier than plastic, but I suppose someone might develop
lighter weight tougher glass.

They already did, the small thin bottles used for continental style
beer in supermarkets being an example.

OK. That still leaves the weight issue, although I'd be in favour of
banning plastic bottles either way.


Cheaper, lighter, safer. The problem is not the bottles, it is the
people who don't take care disposing of them.

Banning the sale of bottled water would be a good way to save some of
the environment.
It really isn't needed.

Banning TV would save more, think of the electricity that would be
saved. Lots of things could be banned that we don't need to survive.

There's a big differnce between surviving and living.

On 02/03/2019 18:32, dennis@home wrote:

Banning the sale of bottled water would be a good way to save some of
the environment.
It really isn't needed.

Obviously not drank some of the 'liquids' that pass themselves of as
drinking water down south.

"soup" wrote in message
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On 02/03/2019 18:32, dennis@home wrote:

Banning the sale of bottled water would be a good way to save some of the
environment.
It really isn't needed.

Obviously not drank some of the 'liquids' that pass themselves of as
drinking water down south.

Not surprising given how many times its been thru humans
before it ends up in your glass with some of them.

On 02/03/2019 18:36, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , "dennis@home" wrote:

On 02/03/2019 18:22, newshound wrote:
On 02/03/2019 18:12, Tim Streater wrote:

Glass is heavier than plastic, but I suppose someone might develop
lighter weight tougher glass.

They already did, the small thin bottles used for continental style
beer in supermarkets being an example.

OK. That still leaves the weight issue, although I'd be in favour of
banning plastic bottles either way.

Cheaper, lighter, safer. The problem is not the bottles, it is the
people who don't take care disposing of them.

Banning the sale of bottled water would be a good way to save some of
the environment. It really isn't needed.

Pretty much +1. Although fizzy water is nice, it's what we buy.

Get busy with the fizzy then.

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Max Demian