My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.
We're all around retirement age and have decided we want to sell up
and get minimal apartments designed for post retirees.
Our children and grandchildren are living in Canada, so we'd also like
to have the wherewithal to continue visiting them for as long as we're
able.

Short of doing any demolishing and rebuilding of the property myself,
I'd like to maximise the financial benefits of this project by taking
such things as planning permission applications as far as I can before
any heavy lifting starts.

Though it will be necessary to engage some professional help in
achieving this. I'd like to avoid the mistake of employing more
experts than are necessary to this end.

Can the good people of the newsgroup please suggest the type of
professional expert I should approach to most effectively cover our
needs in this endeavour?

I realise that there may be more appropriate newsgroups than this for
my question but uk.d-i-y has been pretty central to my past interests
and I have a lot of respect for the general expertise of it's members.
So, TIA.

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On 17/02/2019 12:58, Mike Halmarack wrote:
My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.
We're all around retirement age and have decided we want to sell up
and get minimal apartments designed for post retirees.
Our children and grandchildren are living in Canada, so we'd also like
to have the wherewithal to continue visiting them for as long as we're
able.

Short of doing any demolishing and rebuilding of the property myself,
I'd like to maximise the financial benefits of this project by taking
such things as planning permission applications as far as I can before
any heavy lifting starts.

Though it will be necessary to engage some professional help in
achieving this. I'd like to avoid the mistake of employing more
experts than are necessary to this end.

Can the good people of the newsgroup please suggest the type of
professional expert I should approach to most effectively cover our
needs in this endeavour?

I realise that there may be more appropriate newsgroups than this for
my question but uk.d-i-y has been pretty central to my past interests
and I have a lot of respect for the general expertise of it's members.
So, TIA.


For planning, I suggest visiting the local planning department and their
web site. I would expect there to be a local plan document which
outlines what is possible. I would expect the planning department to
know about any planning consultants who would be willing to help you for
a fee.

Getting planning permission is step one and should be completed before
any demolition work.

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Mike Halmarack Wrote in message:
My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.
We're all around retirement age and have decided we want to sell up
and get minimal apartments designed for post retirees.
Our children and grandchildren are living in Canada, so we'd also like
to have the wherewithal to continue visiting them for as long as we're
able.

Short of doing any demolishing and rebuilding of the property myself,
I'd like to maximise the financial benefits of this project by taking
such things as planning permission applications as far as I can before
any heavy lifting starts.

Though it will be necessary to engage some professional help in
achieving this. I'd like to avoid the mistake of employing more
experts than are necessary to this end.

Can the good people of the newsgroup please suggest the type of
professional expert I should approach to most effectively cover our
needs in this endeavour?

I realise that there may be more appropriate newsgroups than this for
my question but uk.d-i-y has been pretty central to my past interests
and I have a lot of respect for the general expertise of it's members.
So, TIA.


Decent & independent planning consultant ?
Do some interviewing, ask about, there are many levels of
"expertise" from mere technical drawers up, you don't want a
numpty.
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Michael Chare Wrote in message:
On 17/02/2019 12:58, Mike Halmarack wrote:
My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.
We're all around retirement age and have decided we want to sell up
and get minimal apartments designed for post retirees.
Our children and grandchildren are living in Canada, so we'd also like
to have the wherewithal to continue visiting them for as long as we're
able.

Short of doing any demolishing and rebuilding of the property myself,
I'd like to maximise the financial benefits of this project by taking
such things as planning permission applications as far as I can before
any heavy lifting starts.

Though it will be necessary to engage some professional help in
achieving this. I'd like to avoid the mistake of employing more
experts than are necessary to this end.

Can the good people of the newsgroup please suggest the type of
professional expert I should approach to most effectively cover our
needs in this endeavour?

I realise that there may be more appropriate newsgroups than this for
my question but uk.d-i-y has been pretty central to my past interests
and I have a lot of respect for the general expertise of it's members.
So, TIA.


For planning, I suggest visiting the local planning department and their
web site. I would expect there to be a local plan document which
outlines what is possible. I would expect the planning department to
know about any planning consultants who would be willing to help you for
a fee.

Getting planning permission is step one and should be completed before
any demolition work.


I wouldn't start at the council. The building exists, it's just a
matter of what's achievable in its replacement...

I expect they'd be selling without doing anything other than
getting as much value lift from obtaining planning permission as
possible.
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On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 13:23:18 +0000 (GMT+00:00), "Jim K.."
wrote:

Michael Chare Wrote in message:
On 17/02/2019 12:58, Mike Halmarack wrote:
My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.
We're all around retirement age and have decided we want to sell up
and get minimal apartments designed for post retirees.
Our children and grandchildren are living in Canada, so we'd also like
to have the wherewithal to continue visiting them for as long as we're
able.

Short of doing any demolishing and rebuilding of the property myself,
I'd like to maximise the financial benefits of this project by taking
such things as planning permission applications as far as I can before
any heavy lifting starts.

Though it will be necessary to engage some professional help in
achieving this. I'd like to avoid the mistake of employing more
experts than are necessary to this end.

Can the good people of the newsgroup please suggest the type of
professional expert I should approach to most effectively cover our
needs in this endeavour?

I realise that there may be more appropriate newsgroups than this for
my question but uk.d-i-y has been pretty central to my past interests
and I have a lot of respect for the general expertise of it's members.
So, TIA.


For planning, I suggest visiting the local planning department and their
web site. I would expect there to be a local plan document which
outlines what is possible. I would expect the planning department to
know about any planning consultants who would be willing to help you for
a fee.

Getting planning permission is step one and should be completed before
any demolition work.


I wouldn't start at the council. The building exists, it's just a
matter of what's achievable in its replacement...

I expect they'd be selling without doing anything other than
getting as much value lift from obtaining planning permission as
possible.

I think that's it in a nutshell,
thanks.
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On Sunday, 17 February 2019 12:58:29 UTC, Mike Halmarack wrote:
My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.

Greatest potential is likely to be if you can split the garden and create a building plot with outline planning permission for a new dwelling. That will depend a lot on whether access is available, as well as local planning policies.

My suggestion then would be to sell the building plot and wait until it's built on before selling your cottage. That way your buyer won't be inconvenienced or put off by the building process. Or sell your cottage + plot in one go, but with an uplift clause so you get some of the profit if the plot is developed within x years.

Otherwise, seriously look at demolishing the dilapidated cottage especially if you can then get 2 or 3 dwellings as semi or terraced house on the land.. Then sell with o.p.p. for demolition and rebuilt and an uplift clause.

Owain

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 05:55:53 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Sunday, 17 February 2019 12:58:29 UTC, Mike Halmarack wrote:
My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.

Greatest potential is likely to be if you can split the garden and create a building plot with outline planning permission for a new dwelling. That will depend a lot on whether access is available, as well as local planning policies.

My suggestion then would be to sell the building plot and wait until it's built on before selling your cottage. That way your buyer won't be inconvenienced or put off by the building process. Or sell your cottage + plot in one go, but with an uplift clause so you get some of the profit if the plot is developed within x years.

Otherwise, seriously look at demolishing the dilapidated cottage especially if you can then get 2 or 3 dwellings as semi or terraced house on the land. Then sell with o.p.p. for demolition and rebuilt and an uplift clause.

Owain

Owain, I like the way you go into this level of detail. I'm sure the
nuances of what you write make very specific points regarding the
formalities and legalities of planning permission.

I do wonder though, and hope, that we could opt for close to the
choice defined in the last line you write, without either physically
demolishing the cottage or including any clauses that delay
finalisation of the deal to a significantly later date.

That is, to sell the land with planning permission for several houses,
but leave all further details and work to any buyer/builder who
decides to purchase the land, without us incurring any significant
reduction of profit by doing so.

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On 17/02/2019 13:48, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 13:23:18 +0000 (GMT+00:00), "Jim K.."
wrote:

Michael Chare Wrote in message:
On 17/02/2019 12:58, Mike Halmarack wrote:
My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.
We're all around retirement age and have decided we want to sell up
and get minimal apartments designed for post retirees.
Our children and grandchildren are living in Canada, so we'd also like
to have the wherewithal to continue visiting them for as long as we're
able.

Short of doing any demolishing and rebuilding of the property myself,
I'd like to maximise the financial benefits of this project by taking
such things as planning permission applications as far as I can before
any heavy lifting starts.

Though it will be necessary to engage some professional help in
achieving this. I'd like to avoid the mistake of employing more
experts than are necessary to this end.

Can the good people of the newsgroup please suggest the type of
professional expert I should approach to most effectively cover our
needs in this endeavour?

I realise that there may be more appropriate newsgroups than this for
my question but uk.d-i-y has been pretty central to my past interests
and I have a lot of respect for the general expertise of it's members.
So, TIA.


For planning, I suggest visiting the local planning department and their
web site. I would expect there to be a local plan document which
outlines what is possible. I would expect the planning department to
know about any planning consultants who would be willing to help you for
a fee.

Getting planning permission is step one and should be completed before
any demolition work.


I wouldn't start at the council. The building exists, it's just a
matter of what's achievable in its replacement...

I expect they'd be selling without doing anything other than
getting as much value lift from obtaining planning permission as
possible.

I think that's it in a nutshell,
thanks.


Psychic Jim strikes again:-)

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On 17/02/2019 14:59, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 05:55:53 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Sunday, 17 February 2019 12:58:29 UTC, Mike Halmarack wrote:
My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.

Greatest potential is likely to be if you can split the garden and create a building plot with outline planning permission for a new dwelling. That will depend a lot on whether access is available, as well as local planning policies.

My suggestion then would be to sell the building plot and wait until it's built on before selling your cottage. That way your buyer won't be inconvenienced or put off by the building process. Or sell your cottage + plot in one go, but with an uplift clause so you get some of the profit if the plot is developed within x years.

Otherwise, seriously look at demolishing the dilapidated cottage especially if you can then get 2 or 3 dwellings as semi or terraced house on the land. Then sell with o.p.p. for demolition and rebuilt and an uplift clause.

Owain

Owain, I like the way you go into this level of detail. I'm sure the
nuances of what you write make very specific points regarding the
formalities and legalities of planning permission.

I do wonder though, and hope, that we could opt for close to the
choice defined in the last line you write, without either physically
demolishing the cottage or including any clauses that delay
finalisation of the deal to a significantly later date.

That is, to sell the land with planning permission for several houses,
but leave all further details and work to any buyer/builder who
decides to purchase the land, without us incurring any significant
reduction of profit by doing so.

This, pretty much, is what my former neighbour has just done with his
garage business. He had an architect draw up plans for a number of
houses on the site, got planning permission at the second attempt, then
sold that package to a builder/developer. The demolition and preparatory
groundworks have almost been completed (by a specialist firm), I am
expecting the builders to be starting soon.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 15:38:30 +0000, newshound
wrote:

On 17/02/2019 14:59, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 05:55:53 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Sunday, 17 February 2019 12:58:29 UTC, Mike Halmarack wrote:
My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.

Greatest potential is likely to be if you can split the garden and create a building plot with outline planning permission for a new dwelling. That will depend a lot on whether access is available, as well as local planning policies.

My suggestion then would be to sell the building plot and wait until it's built on before selling your cottage. That way your buyer won't be inconvenienced or put off by the building process. Or sell your cottage + plot in one go, but with an uplift clause so you get some of the profit if the plot is developed within x years.

Otherwise, seriously look at demolishing the dilapidated cottage especially if you can then get 2 or 3 dwellings as semi or terraced house on the land. Then sell with o.p.p. for demolition and rebuilt and an uplift clause.

Owain

Owain, I like the way you go into this level of detail. I'm sure the
nuances of what you write make very specific points regarding the
formalities and legalities of planning permission.

I do wonder though, and hope, that we could opt for close to the
choice defined in the last line you write, without either physically
demolishing the cottage or including any clauses that delay
finalisation of the deal to a significantly later date.

That is, to sell the land with planning permission for several houses,
but leave all further details and work to any buyer/builder who
decides to purchase the land, without us incurring any significant
reduction of profit by doing so.

This, pretty much, is what my former neighbour has just done with his
garage business. He had an architect draw up plans for a number of
houses on the site, got planning permission at the second attempt, then
sold that package to a builder/developer. The demolition and preparatory
groundworks have almost been completed (by a specialist firm), I am
expecting the builders to be starting soon.

That seems to be within our range of capabilities, thanks.
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It also depends on where it is, what the local rules are on development an
what neighbours, if any think, as it seems a very popular thing around here
to flatten bungalows, put up three storey flats and then live in one with
income from the others.
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Mike Halmarack Wrote in message:
My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.
We're all around retirement age and have decided we want to sell up
and get minimal apartments designed for post retirees.
Our children and grandchildren are living in Canada, so we'd also like
to have the wherewithal to continue visiting them for as long as we're
able.

Short of doing any demolishing and rebuilding of the property myself,
I'd like to maximise the financial benefits of this project by taking
such things as planning permission applications as far as I can before
any heavy lifting starts.

Though it will be necessary to engage some professional help in
achieving this. I'd like to avoid the mistake of employing more
experts than are necessary to this end.

Can the good people of the newsgroup please suggest the type of
professional expert I should approach to most effectively cover our
needs in this endeavour?

I realise that there may be more appropriate newsgroups than this for
my question but uk.d-i-y has been pretty central to my past interests
and I have a lot of respect for the general expertise of it's members.
So, TIA.


Decent & independent planning consultant ?
Do some interviewing, ask about, there are many levels of
"expertise" from mere technical drawers up, you don't want a
numpty.
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On 17/02/2019 12:58, Mike Halmarack wrote:
My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.
We're all around retirement age and have decided we want to sell up
and get minimal apartments designed for post retirees.
Our children and grandchildren are living in Canada, so we'd also like
to have the wherewithal to continue visiting them for as long as we're
able.

Short of doing any demolishing and rebuilding of the property myself,
I'd like to maximise the financial benefits of this project by taking
such things as planning permission applications as far as I can before
any heavy lifting starts.

Though it will be necessary to engage some professional help in
achieving this. I'd like to avoid the mistake of employing more
experts than are necessary to this end.

Can the good people of the newsgroup please suggest the type of
professional expert I should approach to most effectively cover our
needs in this endeavour?


Probably I can.

Planning permission is worth getting, but developing yourself is NOT.

First of all find out what the status of your property is. If it is
inside a village boundary and they have a Plan, you must stick to that
plan. If they have no plan you may be able to do massicve thiongs
#]

One source of free advice is estate agents. Another is the duty planning
ossifer at the local council.

Both should know whether any possibility of development exists.

What is normal is extension +15% in ground area. What is profitable is
a new dwelling in a back garden.

If the possibilitry exists then get an architect to draw up plans and
submit them.

At all times work with the council, not against them.

Planning gets you far more upside than development.

Get full permissions as well. Outlien is a grey area.





I realise that there may be more appropriate newsgroups than this for
my question but uk.d-i-y has been pretty central to my past interests
and I have a lot of respect for the general expertise of it's members.
So, TIA.

No I think you are spot on.



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On 17/02/2019 14:59, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 05:55:53 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Sunday, 17 February 2019 12:58:29 UTC, Mike Halmarack wrote:
My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.

Greatest potential is likely to be if you can split the garden and create a building plot with outline planning permission for a new dwelling. That will depend a lot on whether access is available, as well as local planning policies.

My suggestion then would be to sell the building plot and wait until it's built on before selling your cottage. That way your buyer won't be inconvenienced or put off by the building process. Or sell your cottage + plot in one go, but with an uplift clause so you get some of the profit if the plot is developed within x years.

Otherwise, seriously look at demolishing the dilapidated cottage especially if you can then get 2 or 3 dwellings as semi or terraced house on the land. Then sell with o.p.p. for demolition and rebuilt and an uplift clause.

Owain

Owain, I like the way you go into this level of detail. I'm sure the
nuances of what you write make very specific points regarding the
formalities and legalities of planning permission.

I do wonder though, and hope, that we could opt for close to the
choice defined in the last line you write, without either physically
demolishing the cottage or including any clauses that delay
finalisation of the deal to a significantly later date.

Dont get involved in the build,. If dempolition and three luxury
apartments is what you can get planning for 90% of the value add is
achieved with the planning. Sell it en bloc, take the money and walk
away and let it all be someone else's problem.


That is, to sell the land with planning permission for several houses,
but leave all further details and work to any buyer/builder who
decides to purchase the land, without us incurring any significant
reduction of profit by doing so.


Yes that is best.

Over a year after I left the dilapidated cottage I was renting that was
sold to a developer to build two horrid houses in its rather nice
garden, the cottage is still for sale. I moved out because tehy
destroyed the kitchen and bathroom...it has been on the market unsold
for over a year.

You don't need hassle like that.


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greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most
obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of
conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which
they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by
thread, into the fabric of their lives.€�

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On 17/02/2019 15:45, Mike Halmarack wrote:
This, pretty much, is what my former neighbour has just done with his
garage business. He had an architect draw up plans for a number of
houses on the site, got planning permission at the second attempt, then
sold that package to a builder/developer. The demolition and preparatory
groundworks have almost been completed (by a specialist firm), I am
expecting the builders to be starting soon.

That seems to be within our range of capabilities, thanks.


e only professional you need is an architect. Planning comsultants area
waste of money if you are capable of talking to the council yourself.

Take te vio;lin and play on tejt herat strings - eledetrly folkl need to
maximsie aset base to move to shleterd accomodation blah bl;ah blah..

I went past our local Gypsy site. Planning permission garned for just
two caravand on compassionate grounds 'because ny disabled daughter cant
bear neighburs' 7 years later there are pads going on for what looks
like 25 caravans.

No one from the council is interested.




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always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

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ARW Wrote in message:
On 17/02/2019 13:48, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 13:23:18 +0000 (GMT+00:00), "Jim K.."
wrote:

Michael Chare Wrote in message:
On 17/02/2019 12:58, Mike Halmarack wrote:
My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.
We're all around retirement age and have decided we want to sell up
and get minimal apartments designed for post retirees.
Our children and grandchildren are living in Canada, so we'd also like
to have the wherewithal to continue visiting them for as long as we're
able.

Short of doing any demolishing and rebuilding of the property myself,
I'd like to maximise the financial benefits of this project by taking
such things as planning permission applications as far as I can before
any heavy lifting starts.

Though it will be necessary to engage some professional help in
achieving this. I'd like to avoid the mistake of employing more
experts than are necessary to this end.

Can the good people of the newsgroup please suggest the type of
professional expert I should approach to most effectively cover our
needs in this endeavour?

I realise that there may be more appropriate newsgroups than this for
my question but uk.d-i-y has been pretty central to my past interests
and I have a lot of respect for the general expertise of it's members.
So, TIA.


For planning, I suggest visiting the local planning department and their
web site. I would expect there to be a local plan document which
outlines what is possible. I would expect the planning department to
know about any planning consultants who would be willing to help you for
a fee.

Getting planning permission is step one and should be completed before
any demolition work.


I wouldn't start at the council. The building exists, it's just a
matter of what's achievable in its replacement...

I expect they'd be selling without doing anything other than
getting as much value lift from obtaining planning permission as
possible.

I think that's it in a nutshell,
thanks.


Psychic Jim strikes again:-)


Less of the sidekick s'il vous plait! :-)
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On 17/02/2019 18:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 17/02/2019 12:58, Mike Halmarack wrote:
My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.
We're all around retirement age and have decided we want to sell up
and get minimal apartments designed for post retirees.
Our children and grandchildren are living in Canada, so we'd also like
to have the wherewithal to continue visiting them for as long as we're
able.

Short of doing any demolishing and rebuilding of the property myself,
I'd like to maximise the financial benefits of this project by taking
such things as planning permission applications as far as I can before
any heavy lifting starts.

Though it will be necessary to engage some professional help in
achieving this. I'd like to avoid the mistake of employing more
experts than are necessary to this end.

Can the good people of the newsgroup please suggest the type of
professional expert I should approach to most effectively cover our
needs in this endeavour?


Probably I can.

Planning permission is worth getting, but developing yourself is NOT.

First of all find out what the status of your property is. If it is
inside a village boundary and they have a Plan, you must stick to that
plan. If they have no plan you may be able to do massicve thiongs
#]

One source of free advice is estate agents. Another is the duty planning
ossifer at the local council.

Both should know whether any possibility of development exists.

What is normal is extensionÂ* +15% in ground area. What is profitable is
a new dwelling in a back garden.

If the possibilitry exists then get an architect to draw up plans and
submit them.

At all times work with the council, not against them.

Planning gets you far more upside than development.

Get full permissions as well. Outlien is a grey area.





I realise that there may be more appropriate newsgroups than this for
my question but uk.d-i-y has been pretty central to my past interests
and I have a lot of respect for the general expertise of it's members.
So, TIA.

No I think you are spot on.



+1 on all of TNP's points.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 12:58:25 +0000, Mike Halmarack
wrote:

My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.[...]

Thanks for the good advice I've been given on this thread,
particularly that from Owain and TNP. It's helped to clarify the
situation and has moved me on in this project significantly.
I'm going to continue by writing letters explaining needs to the 3
main agencies recommended here, the council planning department, the
architects and the estate agents. This because I now have a much
clearer idea of the situation.
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On 18/02/2019 12:55, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 12:58:25 +0000, Mike Halmarack
wrote:

My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.[...]

Thanks for the good advice I've been given on this thread,
particularly that from Owain and TNP. It's helped to clarify the
situation and has moved me on in this project significantly.
I'm going to continue by writing letters explaining needs to the 3
main agencies recommended here, the council planning department, the
architects and the estate agents. This because I now have a much
clearer idea of the situation.

Dont write letters - just pop and and sit down with duty planning
officer and TALK.


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who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
€œWe did this ourselves.€�

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The Natural Philosopher Wrote in message:
On 18/02/2019 12:55, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 12:58:25 +0000, Mike Halmarack
wrote:

My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.[...]

Thanks for the good advice I've been given on this thread,
particularly that from Owain and TNP. It's helped to clarify the
situation and has moved me on in this project significantly.
I'm going to continue by writing letters explaining needs to the 3
main agencies recommended here, the council planning department, the
architects and the estate agents. This because I now have a much
clearer idea of the situation.

Dont write letters - just pop and and sit down with duty planning
officer and TALK.

and remember the bit when they say "you can't rely (legalese) on
anything we discuss here, the only way to get anything to rely on
is to make an application & pay the fees"... YMMV but I doubt
it.
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On 17/02/2019 21:50, Jim K.. wrote:
ARW Wrote in message:
On 17/02/2019 13:48, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 13:23:18 +0000 (GMT+00:00), "Jim K.."
wrote:

Michael Chare Wrote in message:
On 17/02/2019 12:58, Mike Halmarack wrote:
My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.
We're all around retirement age and have decided we want to sell up
and get minimal apartments designed for post retirees.
Our children and grandchildren are living in Canada, so we'd also like
to have the wherewithal to continue visiting them for as long as we're
able.

Short of doing any demolishing and rebuilding of the property myself,
I'd like to maximise the financial benefits of this project by taking
such things as planning permission applications as far as I can before
any heavy lifting starts.

Though it will be necessary to engage some professional help in
achieving this. I'd like to avoid the mistake of employing more
experts than are necessary to this end.

Can the good people of the newsgroup please suggest the type of
professional expert I should approach to most effectively cover our
needs in this endeavour?

I realise that there may be more appropriate newsgroups than this for
my question but uk.d-i-y has been pretty central to my past interests
and I have a lot of respect for the general expertise of it's members.
So, TIA.


For planning, I suggest visiting the local planning department and their
web site. I would expect there to be a local plan document which
outlines what is possible. I would expect the planning department to
know about any planning consultants who would be willing to help you for
a fee.

Getting planning permission is step one and should be completed before
any demolition work.


I wouldn't start at the council. The building exists, it's just a
matter of what's achievable in its replacement...

I expect they'd be selling without doing anything other than
getting as much value lift from obtaining planning permission as
possible.

I think that's it in a nutshell,
thanks.


Psychic Jim strikes again:-)


Less of the sidekick s'il vous plait! :-)


It's your fault for stating the bleeding obvious.



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On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 13:57:56 +0000 (GMT+00:00), "Jim K.."
wrote:

The Natural Philosopher Wrote in message:
On 18/02/2019 12:55, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 12:58:25 +0000, Mike Halmarack
wrote:

My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.[...]

Thanks for the good advice I've been given on this thread,
particularly that from Owain and TNP. It's helped to clarify the
situation and has moved me on in this project significantly.
I'm going to continue by writing letters explaining needs to the 3
main agencies recommended here, the council planning department, the
architects and the estate agents. This because I now have a much
clearer idea of the situation.

Dont write letters - just pop and and sit down with duty planning
officer and TALK.

and remember the bit when they say "you can't rely (legalese) on
anything we discuss here, the only way to get anything to rely on
is to make an application & pay the fees"... YMMV but I doubt
it.

This thread has made several things pretty clear. As a result I'll
make an appointment to go around to the Planning Office for advice,
even though, as you say, they are unlikely to make any definite
statements.

I also really picked up on the idea that if I employed an Architect at
the initial stages, I would hope to save myself the trouble and
expense of engaging a variety of peripheral consultants and advisers.

Certainly with the first Architects I've approached, based on the
impressive and apparently comprehensive list of services they offer,
including planning advice and applications, I was surprised that the
first thing the responder asked was whether I had yet engaged a
Planning Consultant? This because, if I hadn't he could recommend one.

A slight mental jolt ensued.
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On Tuesday, 19 February 2019 12:26:31 UTC, Mike Halmarack wrote:
I also really picked up on the idea that if I employed an Architect at
the initial stages, I would hope to save myself the trouble and
expense of engaging a variety of peripheral consultants and advisers.

Local surveyors who handle building plot sales may also be worth approaching.

But won't you be bored in a minimal post-retiree apartment with no draughts, mice and to-do list? ;-)

Owain

On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 04:44:41 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Tuesday, 19 February 2019 12:26:31 UTC, Mike Halmarack wrote:
I also really picked up on the idea that if I employed an Architect at
the initial stages, I would hope to save myself the trouble and
expense of engaging a variety of peripheral consultants and advisers.

Local surveyors who handle building plot sales may also be worth approaching.

But won't you be bored in a minimal post-retiree apartment with no draughts, mice and to-do list? ;-)

Owain

Probably not very, because I won't be there most of the time.
Not untill I need planting in front of the telly with a blanket around
my knees anyway. May that day be distant.
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On 19/02/2019 12:26, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Certainly with the first Architects I've approached, based on the
impressive and apparently comprehensive list of services they offer,
including planning advice and applications, I was surprised that the
first thing the responder asked was whether I had yet engaged a
Planning Consultant? This because, if I hadn't he could recommend one.

A slight mental jolt ensued.

Jobs for chums

watch out.

Its like solicitors and Counsel.

My advice is DIY the whole damned thing. I got PP with a large A1 inkjet
and Corel Draw. And a little bit of architects advice.

THEN the architect charged a couple of grand to turn my approved plans
into something a builder could work off and something that would make
building control happy.

IMO you don't need even an architect. Planning is not about detailed
design, it's about impact on the environment and the community, visual
and otherwise, and social needs etc etc. You only need some sketches
really. Have a look at other peoples applications and attendant reports
to get a feel for the process.

If the planning gets tricky then a consultant MAY be needed to ensure
that you newt survey, your archaeological survey, your meeting the needs
of disabled bisexual transsexual one legged Afro Caribbeans, your impact
on local parking and traffic, the owls nesting in that tree that may
have to come down.. .and bats. Don't forget bats. And of course green
virtue signalling. Since you aren't going to live there sketch in a
windmill in the back garden...and maybe solar panels.

That's the **** the planning consultants sort out. BUT most of it
consists in writing to e.g. highways in the county council showing how
your driveways will have visibility and drainage etc. Paying a man to
say 'no newts here' etc etc.

The duty planning ossifer should be able to tell you what, beyond plans,
you will need to submit and to what level of detail.

Do as much yourself as you can and keep professionals on a tight rein.


They are all money grabbing ****s.






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authorities are wrong.€�

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On 18/02/2019 13:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/02/2019 12:55, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 12:58:25 +0000, Mike Halmarack
wrote:

My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.[...]

Thanks for the good advice I've been given on this thread,
particularly that from Owain and TNP. It's helped to clarify the
situation and has moved me on in this project significantly.
I'm going to continue by writing letters explaining needs to the 3
main agencies recommended here, the council planning department, the
architects and the estate agents. This because I now have a much
clearer idea of the situation.

Dont write letters - just pop and and sit down with duty planning
officer and TALK.



And all he will say is 'submit full plans' (because that means you
pay a big FEE which pays his huge pension).

On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 14:19:57 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 19/02/2019 12:26, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Certainly with the first Architects I've approached, based on the
impressive and apparently comprehensive list of services they offer,
including planning advice and applications, I was surprised that the
first thing the responder asked was whether I had yet engaged a
Planning Consultant? This because, if I hadn't he could recommend one.

A slight mental jolt ensued.

Jobs for chums

watch out.

Its like solicitors and Counsel.

My advice is DIY the whole damned thing. I got PP with a large A1 inkjet
and Corel Draw. And a little bit of architects advice.

THEN the architect charged a couple of grand to turn my approved plans
into something a builder could work off and something that would make
building control happy.

IMO you don't need even an architect. Planning is not about detailed
design, it's about impact on the environment and the community, visual
and otherwise, and social needs etc etc. You only need some sketches
really. Have a look at other peoples applications and attendant reports
to get a feel for the process.

If the planning gets tricky then a consultant MAY be needed to ensure
that you newt survey, your archaeological survey, your meeting the needs
of disabled bisexual transsexual one legged Afro Caribbeans, your impact
on local parking and traffic, the owls nesting in that tree that may
have to come down.. .and bats. Don't forget bats. And of course green
virtue signalling. Since you aren't going to live there sketch in a
windmill in the back garden...and maybe solar panels.

That's the **** the planning consultants sort out. BUT most of it
consists in writing to e.g. highways in the county council showing how
your driveways will have visibility and drainage etc. Paying a man to
say 'no newts here' etc etc.

The duty planning ossifer should be able to tell you what, beyond plans,
you will need to submit and to what level of detail.

Do as much yourself as you can and keep professionals on a tight rein.


They are all money grabbing ****s.

You make it sound like fun, except for the hassle and expense.
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On 19/02/2019 16:32, Andrew wrote:
On 18/02/2019 13:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/02/2019 12:55, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 12:58:25 +0000, Mike Halmarack
wrote:

My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.[...]

Thanks for the good advice I've been given on this thread,
particularly that from Owain and TNP. It's helped to clarify the
situation and has moved me on in this project significantly.
I'm going to continue by writing letters explaining needs to the 3
main agencies recommended here, the council planning department, the
architects and the estate agents. This because I now have a much
clearer idea of the situation.

Dont write letters - just pop and and sit down with duty planning
officer and TALK.



And all he will say is 'submit full plans' (because that means you
pay a big FEE which pays his huge pension).

Not my experience at all. Why is tehre a duty officer if not to anser
questions?

The first question should be "where I am, is any development possible at
all?"



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twenty-first centurys developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen

On 19/02/2019 18:58, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 14:19:57 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 19/02/2019 12:26, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Certainly with the first Architects I've approached, based on the
impressive and apparently comprehensive list of services they offer,
including planning advice and applications, I was surprised that the
first thing the responder asked was whether I had yet engaged a
Planning Consultant? This because, if I hadn't he could recommend one.

A slight mental jolt ensued.

Jobs for chums

watch out.

Its like solicitors and Counsel.

My advice is DIY the whole damned thing. I got PP with a large A1 inkjet
and Corel Draw. And a little bit of architects advice.

THEN the architect charged a couple of grand to turn my approved plans
into something a builder could work off and something that would make
building control happy.

IMO you don't need even an architect. Planning is not about detailed
design, it's about impact on the environment and the community, visual
and otherwise, and social needs etc etc. You only need some sketches
really. Have a look at other peoples applications and attendant reports
to get a feel for the process.

If the planning gets tricky then a consultant MAY be needed to ensure
that you newt survey, your archaeological survey, your meeting the needs
of disabled bisexual transsexual one legged Afro Caribbeans, your impact
on local parking and traffic, the owls nesting in that tree that may
have to come down.. .and bats. Don't forget bats. And of course green
virtue signalling. Since you aren't going to live there sketch in a
windmill in the back garden...and maybe solar panels.

That's the **** the planning consultants sort out. BUT most of it
consists in writing to e.g. highways in the county council showing how
your driveways will have visibility and drainage etc. Paying a man to
say 'no newts here' etc etc.

The duty planning ossifer should be able to tell you what, beyond plans,
you will need to submit and to what level of detail.

Do as much yourself as you can and keep professionals on a tight rein.


They are all money grabbing ****s.

You make it sound like fun, except for the hassle and expense.

Well in a way it IS fun.

BUT its hard work - it's just that most of the work is not that
DIFFICULT., Its resaearch and writing compliant documents

Obviously far too much for a millenial snowflake or a Remoaner, but a
decent self starting old school Brit shouldnt have an issue...





--
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twenty-first centurys developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen

The Natural Philosopher Wrote in message:
On 19/02/2019 16:32, Andrew wrote:
On 18/02/2019 13:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/02/2019 12:55, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 12:58:25 +0000, Mike Halmarack
wrote:

My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.[...]

Thanks for the good advice I've been given on this thread,
particularly that from Owain and TNP. It's helped to clarify the
situation and has moved me on in this project significantly.
I'm going to continue by writing letters explaining needs to the 3
main agencies recommended here, the council planning department, the
architects and the estate agents. This because I now have a much
clearer idea of the situation.

Dont write letters - just pop and and sit down with duty planning
officer and TALK.



And all he will say is 'submit full plans' (because that means you
pay a big FEE which pays his huge pension).

Not my experience at all. Why is tehre a duty officer if not to anser
questions?

The first question should be "where I am, is any development possible at
all?"

"Please note that most site specific enquiries cannot be addressed
without the benefit of thorough research, consultation and a site
visit. Consequently the Duty Officer is unable to advise on the
likelihood of a particular proposal obtaining planning
permission. If you require such advice you are advised to submit
a pre application enquiry (where relevant). "

--
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On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 21:01:30 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 19/02/2019 16:32, Andrew wrote:
On 18/02/2019 13:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/02/2019 12:55, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 12:58:25 +0000, Mike Halmarack
wrote:

My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.[...]

Thanks for the good advice I've been given on this thread,
particularly that from Owain and TNP. It's helped to clarify the
situation and has moved me on in this project significantly.
I'm going to continue by writing letters explaining needs to the 3
main agencies recommended here, the council planning department, the
architects and the estate agents. This because I now have a much
clearer idea of the situation.

Dont write letters - just pop and and sit down with duty planning
officer and TALK.



And all he will say is 'submit full plans' (because that means you
pay a big FEE which pays his huge pension).

Not my experience at all. Why is tehre a duty officer if not to anser
questions?

The first question should be "where I am, is any development possible at
all?"

OK, I checked and in our neck of the woods, a duty planning officer
does not exist UNTIL plans are submitted, which then provides the only
entry available into the council's planning system.
--

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On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 21:04:05 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 19/02/2019 18:58, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 14:19:57 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 19/02/2019 12:26, Mike Halmarack wrote:
Certainly with the first Architects I've approached, based on the
impressive and apparently comprehensive list of services they offer,
including planning advice and applications, I was surprised that the
first thing the responder asked was whether I had yet engaged a
Planning Consultant? This because, if I hadn't he could recommend one.

A slight mental jolt ensued.

Jobs for chums

watch out.

Its like solicitors and Counsel.

My advice is DIY the whole damned thing. I got PP with a large A1 inkjet
and Corel Draw. And a little bit of architects advice.

THEN the architect charged a couple of grand to turn my approved plans
into something a builder could work off and something that would make
building control happy.

IMO you don't need even an architect. Planning is not about detailed
design, it's about impact on the environment and the community, visual
and otherwise, and social needs etc etc. You only need some sketches
really. Have a look at other peoples applications and attendant reports
to get a feel for the process.

If the planning gets tricky then a consultant MAY be needed to ensure
that you newt survey, your archaeological survey, your meeting the needs
of disabled bisexual transsexual one legged Afro Caribbeans, your impact
on local parking and traffic, the owls nesting in that tree that may
have to come down.. .and bats. Don't forget bats. And of course green
virtue signalling. Since you aren't going to live there sketch in a
windmill in the back garden...and maybe solar panels.

That's the **** the planning consultants sort out. BUT most of it
consists in writing to e.g. highways in the county council showing how
your driveways will have visibility and drainage etc. Paying a man to
say 'no newts here' etc etc.

The duty planning ossifer should be able to tell you what, beyond plans,
you will need to submit and to what level of detail.

Do as much yourself as you can and keep professionals on a tight rein.


They are all money grabbing ****s.

You make it sound like fun, except for the hassle and expense.

Well in a way it IS fun.

BUT its hard work - it's just that most of the work is not that
DIFFICULT., Its resaearch and writing compliant documents

Obviously far too much for a millenial snowflake or a Remoaner, but a
decent self starting old school Brit shouldnt have an issue...

I'm definitely a Leaver where my present property is concerned.

I'd prefer human rights, food, and medicine to Remain available
though.

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On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 22:23:31 +0000 (GMT+00:00), "Jim K.."
wrote:

The Natural Philosopher Wrote in message:
On 19/02/2019 16:32, Andrew wrote:
On 18/02/2019 13:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/02/2019 12:55, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 12:58:25 +0000, Mike Halmarack
wrote:

My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.[...]

Thanks for the good advice I've been given on this thread,
particularly that from Owain and TNP. It's helped to clarify the
situation and has moved me on in this project significantly.
I'm going to continue by writing letters explaining needs to the 3
main agencies recommended here, the council planning department, the
architects and the estate agents. This because I now have a much
clearer idea of the situation.

Dont write letters - just pop and and sit down with duty planning
officer and TALK.



And all he will say is 'submit full plans' (because that means you
pay a big FEE which pays his huge pension).

Not my experience at all. Why is tehre a duty officer if not to anser
questions?

The first question should be "where I am, is any development possible at
all?"

"Please note that most site specific enquiries cannot be addressed
without the benefit of thorough research, consultation and a site
visit. Consequently the Duty Officer is unable to advise on the
likelihood of a particular proposal obtaining planning
permission. If you require such advice you are advised to submit
a pre application enquiry (where relevant). "

My partner just made a pre application enquiry and was told that step
one was to submit a plan. The service appears to have been
streamlined.
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Mike Halmarack wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 21:01:30 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 19/02/2019 16:32, Andrew wrote:
On 18/02/2019 13:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/02/2019 12:55, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 12:58:25 +0000, Mike Halmarack
wrote:

My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.[...]

Thanks for the good advice I've been given on this thread,
particularly that from Owain and TNP. It's helped to clarify the
situation and has moved me on in this project significantly.
I'm going to continue by writing letters explaining needs to the 3
main agencies recommended here, the council planning department, the
architects and the estate agents. This because I now have a much
clearer idea of the situation.

Dont write letters - just pop and and sit down with duty planning
officer and TALK.



And all he will say is 'submit full plans' (because that means you
pay a big FEE which pays his huge pension).

Not my experience at all. Why is tehre a duty officer if not to anser
questions?

The first question should be "where I am, is any development possible at
all?"

OK, I checked and in our neck of the woods, a duty planning officer
does not exist UNTIL plans are submitted, which then provides the only
entry available into the council's planning system.

I have heard that this happens in some districts nowadays. It is very
sad, because planning officers used to be an invaluable source of
advice.

--

Roger Hayter

On Wednesday, 20 February 2019 19:10:21 UTC, Roger Hayter wrote:
Mike Halmarack wrote:

On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 21:01:30 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 19/02/2019 16:32, Andrew wrote:
On 18/02/2019 13:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/02/2019 12:55, Mike Halmarack wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2019 12:58:25 +0000, Mike Halmarack
wrote:

My wife and I are 2 thirds of a trio living in a dilapidated cottage
with a large garden.[...]

Thanks for the good advice I've been given on this thread,
particularly that from Owain and TNP. It's helped to clarify the
situation and has moved me on in this project significantly.
I'm going to continue by writing letters explaining needs to the 3
main agencies recommended here, the council planning department, the
architects and the estate agents. This because I now have a much
clearer idea of the situation.

Dont write letters - just pop and and sit down with duty planning
officer and TALK.



And all he will say is 'submit full plans' (because that means you
pay a big FEE which pays his huge pension).

Not my experience at all. Why is tehre a duty officer if not to anser
questions?

The first question should be "where I am, is any development possible at
all?"

OK, I checked and in our neck of the woods, a duty planning officer
does not exist UNTIL plans are submitted, which then provides the only
entry available into the council's planning system.

I have heard that this happens in some districts nowadays. It is very
sad, because planning officers used to be an invaluable source of
advice.

Most of them these days are university twits/bimbos with not an ounce of practical experience.