Hi all,

I'm possibly looking out for a compact colour laser printer and have
some requirements (sort of in order of importance).

1) Reasonably compact, height being the least important.

2) No 'sticky out' paper input or output trays or guides (to get
kicked off, as the printer will be on the bottom shelf of one of those
metal PC workstations).

3) Networkable (WiFi at least).

4) Reliable.

5) Reasonably cheap replacement carts.

'Cherries on the cake' would be auto duplex printing and Air / Android
print.

And all of that at the least possible TCO of course and
recommendations ideally from personal experience.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. They got a tiny HP B/W laser and a separate HP scanner because
the all-in-one lasers are often pretty big or have sticky out paper
trays (and you have all yer eggs in one basket etc).

p.p.s. I didn't need to mention that they will be primarily printing
from Windows (as every, even GDI printers support that) but they also
have the option of Linux (dual boot) and so support for that could be
handy in an emergency etc.

T i m wrote:

I'm possibly looking out for a compact colour laser printer and have
some requirements (sort of in order of importance).

1) Reasonably compact, height being the least important.

2) No 'sticky out' paper input or output trays or guides (to get
kicked off, as the printer will be on the bottom shelf of one of those
metal PC workstations).

3) Networkable (WiFi at least).

4) Reliable.

5) Reasonably cheap replacement carts.

I wanted a small laser last year and got one of the B&W Samsung M2026,
which is small enough to lift onto the top shelf when not required and
fetch down to the desk when required.

I noticed pcworld had the Samsung C430W colour laser for under £100 last
week and was nearly tempted to buy one, it's not too much bigger than
the mono one (mainly taller due to having an internal paper tray rather
than sticky-out paper shelf) but I dithered and now the price is back to
£130.

I do have a gigantic Epson duplex, postscript, dual bin, networked laser
but it really doesn't deserve the space it (and the consumables I have
for it) eats in the back bedroom.

Samsung printers are HP now.

On 02/02/2019 11:24, T i m wrote:
Hi all,

I'm possibly looking out for a compact colour laser printer and have
some requirements (sort of in order of importance).

1) Reasonably compact, height being the least important.

2) No 'sticky out' paper input or output trays or guides (to get
kicked off, as the printer will be on the bottom shelf of one of those
metal PC workstations).

3) Networkable (WiFi at least).

4) Reliable.

5) Reasonably cheap replacement carts.

'Cherries on the cake' would be auto duplex printing and Air / Android
print.

And all of that at the least possible TCO of course and
recommendations ideally from personal experience.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. They got a tiny HP B/W laser and a separate HP scanner because
the all-in-one lasers are often pretty big or have sticky out paper
trays (and you have all yer eggs in one basket etc).

p.p.s. I didn't need to mention that they will be primarily printing
from Windows (as every, even GDI printers support that) but they also
have the option of Linux (dual boot) and so support for that could be
handy in an emergency etc.


I've been happy with my Lexmark CS410dn. Taller than modern mono ones,
but full duplex and wifi.

On 02/02/2019 11:24, T i m wrote:
Hi all,

I'm possibly looking out for a compact colour laser printer and have
some requirements (sort of in order of importance).

1) Reasonably compact, height being the least important.

2) No 'sticky out' paper input or output trays or guides (to get
kicked off, as the printer will be on the bottom shelf of one of those
metal PC workstations).

3) Networkable (WiFi at least).

4) Reliable.

5) Reasonably cheap replacement carts.

'Cherries on the cake' would be auto duplex printing and Air / Android
print.

And all of that at the least possible TCO of course and
recommendations ideally from personal experience.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. They got a tiny HP B/W laser and a separate HP scanner because
the all-in-one lasers are often pretty big or have sticky out paper
trays (and you have all yer eggs in one basket etc).

p.p.s. I didn't need to mention that they will be primarily printing
from Windows (as every, even GDI printers support that) but they also
have the option of Linux (dual boot) and so support for that could be
handy in an emergency etc.


I have had a Dell dell c1760nw for a few years.

--
Michael Chare

T i m wrote:
Hi all,

I'm possibly looking out for a compact colour laser printer and have
some requirements (sort of in order of importance).

After asking similar questions, I ended up with a Brother HL-L8260CDW which
does all of your requirements and is currently on £100 cashback, making it
£83.94.
https://www.printerland.co.uk/produc...8260cdw/139150

Colour quality isn't amazing, but is good enough - I'm not printing photos.

The best bit is it doesn't have toner reset chips, so you just need a bit of
plastic ('toner reset wheel') to refill the toner carts:
https://www.urefilltoner.co.uk/how-t...-L8410cdw.html

I haven't run out of toner yet, but I'm going to try and 3D print one when I
do. Also, being unchipped, there are cheap third party cartridges so you
don't even need the reset wheel.

Theo

On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 11:48:30 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

snip

I wanted a small laser last year and got one of the B&W Samsung M2026,
which is small enough to lift onto the top shelf when not required and
fetch down to the desk when required.

Same with their current HP M15W Mono WiFi Laser. 'Worlds smallest' it
says on the box and it is tiny (before you put all it's flaps down).
;-)


I noticed pcworld had the Samsung C430W colour laser for under £100 last
week and was nearly tempted to buy one, it's not too much bigger than
the mono one (mainly taller due to having an internal paper tray rather
than sticky-out paper shelf) but I dithered and now the price is back to
£130.

That's still not unreasonable and doesn't look like it has any sticky
out flaps. ;-) Any idea if you can refill or get aftermarket toner
for it cheaply please (compared to any similar models I mean) and if
so, do you OOI?


I do have a gigantic Epson duplex, postscript, dual bin, networked laser
but it really doesn't deserve the space it (and the consumables I have
for it) eats in the back bedroom.

I'm in a similar position with a Ricoh SP C252SF but it's a good
workhorse. ;-)

Samsung printers are HP now.

Oh, interesting, thanks.

A mate used to supply big printers and copiers and many of the
machines came with several badges to choose from for the installer to
apply to the customers preference. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 13:15:12 +0000, newshound
wrote:

snip

I've been happy with my Lexmark CS410dn. Taller than modern mono ones,
but full duplex and wifi.

Thanks for that.

The last Lexmark I dealt with was one of those 'ink on a roll of cling
film ones. Brilliant prints but about £1 / page then! ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 15:47:34 +0000, Michael Chare
wrote:

snip

I have had a Dell dell c1760nw for a few years.

Yeah, mate had a big Dell in his PC shop and apart from even copy
carts being a fortune, it did seem to go on and on. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 02 Feb 2019 18:45:47 +0000 (GMT), Theo
wrote:

T i m wrote:
Hi all,

I'm possibly looking out for a compact colour laser printer and have
some requirements (sort of in order of importance).

After asking similar questions, I ended up with a Brother HL-L8260CDW which
does all of your requirements and is currently on £100 cashback, making it
£83.94.
https://www.printerland.co.uk/produc...8260cdw/139150

Ooo, nice price.

Colour quality isn't amazing, but is good enough - I'm not printing photos.

That would be the need / expectation here also.

The best bit is it doesn't have toner reset chips, so you just need a bit of
plastic ('toner reset wheel') to refill the toner carts:
https://www.urefilltoner.co.uk/how-t...-L8410cdw.html

And that covers my TCO question. You can get free printers as long as
you buy plenty of toner carts (eg Morgan Computers).

I haven't run out of toner yet, but I'm going to try and 3D print one when I
do.

Interesting (as I have a 3d printer). ;-)

Also, being unchipped, there are cheap third party cartridges so you
don't even need the reset wheel.

Excellent. I think that sounds like it ticks all the boxes Theo, the
only slight issue is the depth. The space we have from the front of
the bottom shelf to the wall is 400mm and according to the spec, the
printer is 486. If the printer uses a rear mounted but not recessed
IEC plug then that can add a few more mm (less if you can get away
with a right angled version) but we should be able to pull the
workstation away from the wall slightly, if it looks like it's
overhanging a bit too much. Or put the printer up on a bit of a plinth
so your feet can go underneath if sitting in front of it. It think
something like that would be worth looking into, should it be an
issue, because of all the other plusses.

But better that than a flimsy paper tray sticking out waiting to get
snapped off. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

T i m wrote:
On 02 Feb 2019 18:45:47 +0000 (GMT), Theo
wrote:

Ooo, nice price.

The cashback paid up pretty rapidly after I submitted the claim.
(and none of this 'must claim between 73 and 74 days after purchase' stuff
that you sometimes get - you can submit the claim as soon as you receive the
printer, within 28 days)

I haven't run out of toner yet, but I'm going to try and 3D print one
when I do.

Interesting (as I have a 3d printer). ;-)

Since the last time I looked this has come on the market:
https://www.inkowl.com/laser/color-r...tarter/P10787/

- claims it's for the TN-431 cart (North America), not the TN-421 (Europe).
Turns out region locking of printers is a thing, but I'm tempted to buy one
if nothing else has turned up when I start getting low.

(and suffer the $13 postage across the pond, still way cheaper than an
official cart)

Also, being unchipped, there are cheap third party cartridges so you
don't even need the reset wheel.

I'm a bit dubious of:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HaloFox-4...Y/283343341545
but only because it's *so* cheap.

Excellent. I think that sounds like it ticks all the boxes Theo, the
only slight issue is the depth. The space we have from the front of
the bottom shelf to the wall is 400mm and according to the spec, the
printer is 486. If the printer uses a rear mounted but not recessed
IEC plug then that can add a few more mm (less if you can get away
with a right angled version) but we should be able to pull the
workstation away from the wall slightly, if it looks like it's
overhanging a bit too much. Or put the printer up on a bit of a plinth
so your feet can go underneath if sitting in front of it. It think
something like that would be worth looking into, should it be an
issue, because of all the other plusses.

The IEC is rear mounted (bottom right corner seen from the front), but
there's a 9mm recess. I measure 27mm from the end of the IEC connector when
inserted to the flat of the back panel, so add onto that whatever your right
angle version does.

You'll need access to the rear for paper jams, but if it's on a trolley you
can pull it forward temporarily, or just the printer.
(I've only ever had jams when I've left something on top of it and the
duplexer has tried to fire paper into a solid object)

But better that than a flimsy paper tray sticking out waiting to get
snapped off. ;-(

Indeed. It's a fairly substantial lump

Theo

On 02 Feb 2019 20:44:11 +0000 (GMT), Theo
wrote:

T i m wrote:
On 02 Feb 2019 18:45:47 +0000 (GMT), Theo
wrote:

Ooo, nice price.

The cashback paid up pretty rapidly after I submitted the claim.
(and none of this 'must claim between 73 and 74 days after purchase' stuff
that you sometimes get - you can submit the claim as soon as you receive the
printer, within 28 days)

I haven't run out of toner yet, but I'm going to try and 3D print one
when I do.

Interesting (as I have a 3d printer). ;-)

Since the last time I looked this has come on the market:
https://www.inkowl.com/laser/color-r...tarter/P10787/

- claims it's for the TN-431 cart (North America), not the TN-421 (Europe).
Turns out region locking of printers is a thing, but I'm tempted to buy one
if nothing else has turned up when I start getting low.

They offer a 'Contact us' if it turns out you have time?

(and suffer the $13 postage across the pond, still way cheaper than an
official cart)

Quite (and if I get a printer, of the postage is the same on two kits
and you want to split the postage ... )?

Also, being unchipped, there are cheap third party cartridges so you
don't even need the reset wheel.

I'm a bit dubious of:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HaloFox-4...Y/283343341545
but only because it's *so* cheap.

Agreed ... but unless it's just a typo they have a 100% positive
feedback ...

Excellent. I think that sounds like it ticks all the boxes Theo, the
only slight issue is the depth. The space we have from the front of
the bottom shelf to the wall is 400mm and according to the spec, the
printer is 486. If the printer uses a rear mounted but not recessed
IEC plug then that can add a few more mm (less if you can get away
with a right angled version) but we should be able to pull the
workstation away from the wall slightly, if it looks like it's
overhanging a bit too much. Or put the printer up on a bit of a plinth
so your feet can go underneath if sitting in front of it. It think
something like that would be worth looking into, should it be an
issue, because of all the other plusses.

The IEC is rear mounted (bottom right corner seen from the front), but
there's a 9mm recess. I measure 27mm from the end of the IEC connector when
inserted to the flat of the back panel, so add onto that whatever your right
angle version does.

Excellent, thanks. Can you see any reason a right angled plug wouldn't
work with that recess Theo?

eg. eBay item 191013008879, 3rd picture. I'm not sure if it would
matter about the 'hand' of the plug?

You'll need access to the rear for paper jams, but if it's on a trolley you
can pull it forward temporarily, or just the printer.

Check.

(I've only ever had jams when I've left something on top of it and the
duplexer has tried to fire paper into a solid object)

Doh. ;-)

But better that than a flimsy paper tray sticking out waiting to get
snapped off. ;-(

Indeed. It's a fairly substantial lump

Yes, it looks it ... and is the same weight as my 60Ah semi traction
leisure battery or a 2.5hp 4/ Mariner outboard motor. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Theo wrote:

a Brother HL-L8260CDW which does all of your requirements and is
currently on £100 cashback, making it £83.94.
https://www.printerland.co.uk/produc...8260cdw/139150
The best bit is it doesn't have toner reset chips

The Lexmark CS317dn is chipped, but only costs £58+VAT so assuming you
get the stated 750 colour pages plus maybe an additional 500 black-only
pages out of the starter toners, it's cheaper to buy a new printer, than
fork out £266+VAT for a set of full-size toners that would yield 2300
colour pages plus 3000 black-only pages

I know you can't simply add the black pages and colour pages, but even
if you assume you only get 500 black pages on top of the colour ones, it
still works out 30% cheaper to junk the printer than buy refills ...
madness.

Andy Burns wrote:

it still works out 30% cheaper to junk the printer

three times over

than buy refills ... madness.

On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 21:11:38 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

it still works out 30% cheaper to junk the printer

three times over

than buy refills ... madness.

Agreed 100%. ;-(

The only win could be if you are looking for a very low entry point
and don't intend printing much, in which case it could last you
*years*?

And unlike an ink-jet, it won't normally die between uses, no matter
how infrequent?

But it seems it is often the case that buying a spare part or more
consumables cost disproportionately more than buying the thing new or
part.

Like, the bath plug-chain was broken on step daughters bath and I
removed the chain (one of those ball types) from all the fittings with
the intention of replacing just that. I am quite ready to find a new
chain *and* plug as a service kit are cheaper than just 1m of the
chain?

Or the replacement pump for my desktop parts washer costing about 90%
of a complete new item.

Cheers, T i m

On 02/02/2019 22:07, T i m wrote:

Like, the bath plug-chain was broken on step daughters bath and I
removed the chain (one of those ball types)

Fed up with the ball type rusting at the water air boundary when left in
bowls full of water I purchased a chain claimed to be stainless steel.
Yep, the actual chain bit is stainless but the two end figure of 8 bent
metal bits that actually fit to the plug and to the hole in the middle
of the overflow are not!

from all the fittings with
the intention of replacing just that. I am quite ready to find a new
chain *and* plug as a service kit are cheaper than just 1m of the
chain?

I've found that replacement metal plugs with a rubber O ring seal seem
to be better than the plastic/rubber ones with my sink.



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T i m wrote:
But it seems it is often the case that buying a spare part or more
consumables cost disproportionately more than buying the thing new or
part.

Obviously toner is the mainline drug they're pushing, but it's almost worth
buying a second printer to store unopened, in order to have a stash of
drums, fusers, etc that you can swap into the other one for less than the
price of official spares.

I don't think I'm quite at that level of hoarding (and don't have the space)
but could imagine it would be worth doing if you were a business with a
small fleet of them.

Theo

On 02/02/2019 11:48, Andy Burns wrote:
T i m wrote:

I'm possibly looking out for a compact colour laser printer and have
some requirements (sort of in order of importance).

1) Reasonably compact, height being the least important.

2) No 'sticky out' paper input or output trays or guides (to get
kicked off, as the printer will be on the bottom shelf of one of those
metal PC workstations).

3) Networkable (WiFi at least).

4) Reliable.

5) Reasonably cheap replacement carts.

I wanted a small laser last year and got one of the B&W Samsung M2026,
which is small enough to lift onto the top shelf when not required and
fetch down to the desk when required.

I noticed pcworld had the Samsung C430W colour laser for under £100 last
week and was nearly tempted to buy one, it's not too much bigger than
the mono one (mainly taller due to having an internal paper tray rather
than sticky-out paper shelf) but I dithered and now the price is back to
£130.

I do have a gigantic Epson duplex, postscript, dual bin, networked laser
but it really doesn't deserve the space it (and the consumables I have
for it) eats in the back bedroom.

Samsung printers are HP now.

Love my HP laserjet M252n

wasnt too expensicve.
On its second set of cartrdges now



--
I would rather have questions that cannot be answered...
....than to have answers that cannot be questioned

Richard Feynman

Theo wrote:

Obviously toner is the mainline drug they're pushing, but it's almost worth
buying a second printer to store unopened

Almost?

in order to have a stash of drums, fusers, etc that you can swap into
the other one for less than the price of official spares.
In the case of the cs317dn ...

one printer with starter toners
1400K/750CMY pages = £58

one printer with starter toners plus a set of full toners
4400K/3050CMY pages = £324

five printers with starter toners
7000K/3750CMY = £291

And that's before you consider drums/fusers/waste bottles further down
the line.

One of the big issues for me if I need a new laser or any other sort of
printer is if it can be used by a blind person. Increasingly they are going
down the touch screen way. This means that one has every time a problem
occurs or it needs configuring to get a sighted person to help you. My
current very old HP has none of that rubbish, it just plugs into a usb abd
it works. If you get a jam, open it. puull out the drum and toner, unjam,
give it a bit of a clean on its rollers, reassemble, power cycle once and
off it goes once assembled.
Brian

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Theo wrote:

Obviously toner is the mainline drug they're pushing, but it's almost
worth
buying a second printer to store unopened

Almost?

in order to have a stash of drums, fusers, etc that you can swap into
the other one for less than the price of official spares.
In the case of the cs317dn ...

one printer with starter toners
1400K/750CMY pages = £58

one printer with starter toners plus a set of full toners
4400K/3050CMY pages = £324

five printers with starter toners
7000K/3750CMY = £291

And that's before you consider drums/fusers/waste bottles further down the
line.

Brian Gaff wrote:

One of the big issues for me if I need a new laser or any other sort of
printer is if it can be used by a blind person. Increasingly they are going
down the touch screen way.

Even for the sighted, swipe gestures aren't great on tiny touch screens,
I prefer to access the printers via a web browser (provided the
networking is working, obviously).

On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 23:32:19 +0000, alan_m
wrote:

On 02/02/2019 22:07, T i m wrote:

Like, the bath plug-chain was broken on step daughters bath and I
removed the chain (one of those ball types)

Fed up with the ball type rusting at the water air boundary when left in
bowls full of water I purchased a chain claimed to be stainless steel.
Yep, the actual chain bit is stainless but the two end figure of 8 bent
metal bits that actually fit to the plug and to the hole in the middle
of the overflow are not!

Brilliant! (Not). But I guess they would be less susceptible to the
boundary layer issue?

from all the fittings with
the intention of replacing just that. I am quite ready to find a new
chain *and* plug as a service kit are cheaper than just 1m of the
chain?

I've found that replacement metal plugs with a rubber O ring seal seem
to be better than the plastic/rubber ones with my sink.

OK thanks.

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 09:06:38 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

snip

I prefer to access the printers via a web browser (provided the
networking is working, obviously).

+1

That also generally means you can do so from any OS, rather than use
the Windows only 'setup' program they often supply (unless, as with
the little Mono HP I installed the other day that wouldn't connect to
the Lan using the WPS buttons, I still had to use the Windows setup
over USB). ;-(

Cheers, T i m

Andy Burns wrote:
Theo wrote:

Obviously toner is the mainline drug they're pushing, but it's almost worth
buying a second printer to store unopened

Almost?

You do have to account for the space occupied by hoarding.
In a raw economic calculation, the box might be 1m3, and the rental cost of
1m2 of floor area is...?

Obviously it's not quite like that, but it isn't just the sticker price to
consider.

I also suspect the initial price would be higher if Lexmark had to
pay the full cost of recycling back to raw materials (rather than say
setting fire to the thing and calling it 'energy recovery')

in order to have a stash of drums, fusers, etc that you can swap into
the other one for less than the price of official spares.
In the case of the cs317dn ...

I think this is a good example of 'then buy another printer that doesn't do
that'.

Tempered slightly by the 'buy a new printer every month' approach means you
always have the latest model - although the world of printers doesn't move
very fast.

Theo

In message , Theo
writes
Andy Burns wrote:
Theo wrote:

Obviously toner is the mainline drug they're pushing, but it's almost worth
buying a second printer to store unopened

Almost?

You do have to account for the space occupied by hoarding.
In a raw economic calculation, the box might be 1m3, and the rental cost of
1m2 of floor area is...?

Obviously it's not quite like that, but it isn't just the sticker price to
consider.

I also suspect the initial price would be higher if Lexmark had to
pay the full cost of recycling back to raw materials (rather than say
setting fire to the thing and calling it 'energy recovery')

in order to have a stash of drums, fusers, etc that you can swap into
the other one for less than the price of official spares.
In the case of the cs317dn ...

I think this is a good example of 'then buy another printer that doesn't do
that'.

Tempered slightly by the 'buy a new printer every month' approach means you
always have the latest model - although the world of printers doesn't move
very fast.

Tempted by the idea of avoiding blocked ink jets, I have followed up a
couple of the printer suggestions.

They seem to lack either a copier function or any facility to scan.

Sadly my family also expect high street print shop quality of the colour
snaps they send me.

--
Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb wrote:

I have followed up a couple of the printer suggestions.
They seem to lack either a copier function or any facility to scan.

They sell "beats as it sweeps as it cleans" models too

https://www.printerland.co.uk/product/lexmark-cx317dn-box-opened-/143395

On Saturday, 2 February 2019 11:48:34 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
T i m wrote:

1) Reasonably compact, height being the least important.

2) No 'sticky out' paper input or output trays or guides (to get
kicked off, as the printer will be on the bottom shelf of one of those
metal PC workstations).

3) Networkable (WiFi at least).

4) Reliable.

5) Reasonably cheap replacement carts.


I noticed pcworld had the Samsung C430W colour laser for under £100 last
week and was nearly tempted to buy one, it's not too much bigger than
the mono one (mainly taller due to having an internal paper tray rather
than sticky-out paper shelf) but I dithered and now the price is back to
£130.
I have the Samsung, with which I am satisfied. It seems to meet your requirements: wi-fi, etc.,Third-party carts work fine, and , including the rear plugs, measures 400 mm front-to-back.

Mr Fuxit wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

pcworld had the Samsung C430W colour laser for under £100 last week

I have the Samsung, with which I am satisfied. measures 400 mm front-to-back.

I hadn't realised the paper tray (when loaded with paper) sticks out the
front ...

In message , Andy Burns
writes
Tim Lamb wrote:

I have followed up a couple of the printer suggestions.
They seem to lack either a copier function or any facility to scan.

They sell "beats as it sweeps as it cleans" models too

https://www.printerland.co.uk/product/lexmark-cx317dn-box-opened-/143395

Did you scroll down to check the price of replacement bits!

--
Tim Lamb

Tim Lamb wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

They sell "beats as it sweeps as it cleans" models too
https://www.printerland.co.uk/product/lexmark-cx317dn-box-opened-/143395

Did you scroll down to check the price of replacement bits!

Same as we were discussing earlier, the razor blades pricing model,
cheaper to never buy spares, just replace it (slightly less so for the
scan+fax version)

On Sun, 3 Feb 2019 10:09:54 -0800 (PST), Mr Fuxit
wrote:

On Saturday, 2 February 2019 11:48:34 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:
T i m wrote:

1) Reasonably compact, height being the least important.

2) No 'sticky out' paper input or output trays or guides (to get
kicked off, as the printer will be on the bottom shelf of one of those
metal PC workstations).

3) Networkable (WiFi at least).

4) Reliable.

5) Reasonably cheap replacement carts.


I noticed pcworld had the Samsung C430W colour laser for under £100 last
week and was nearly tempted to buy one, it's not too much bigger than
the mono one (mainly taller due to having an internal paper tray rather
than sticky-out paper shelf) but I dithered and now the price is back to
£130.

I have the Samsung, with which I am satisfied. It seems to meet your requirements: wi-fi, etc.,Third-party carts work fine, and , including the rear plugs, measures 400 mm front-to-back.

But doesn't that have a sticky out paper tray and a output tray flippy
flap?

Cheers, T i m

Tim Lamb wrote:
Tempted by the idea of avoiding blocked ink jets, I have followed up a
couple of the printer suggestions.

They seem to lack either a copier function or any facility to scan.

T'other Tim asked for a compact printer - generally the copy/scan ones
aren't compact.

For the Brother, the DCP-L8410CDW and MFC-L8690CDW which are currently on
cashback also copy/scan. They're the same print engine so take the same
toner carts (and for them I think there's a reset menu so you don't need
reset wheels)

Sadly my family also expect high street print shop quality of the colour
snaps they send me.

I'm not sure any cheap laser is going to give photo shop quality...

Theo

On 04 Feb 2019 00:04:52 +0000 (GMT), Theo
wrote:

Tim Lamb wrote:
Tempted by the idea of avoiding blocked ink jets, I have followed up a
couple of the printer suggestions.

They seem to lack either a copier function or any facility to scan.

T'other Tim asked for a compact printer - generally the copy/scan ones
aren't compact.


Exactly ... and I already have 3 so could have offered one of those,
had they not all been too big or unsuitable in other ways
(kick-offable paper trays etc).

It's the same sort of accident-waiting-to-happen as a glass of cola
near a laptop or low front mounted USB ports on a floor mounted PC (as
I know by the number I've had to do micro-surgery on to recover
someone's A level or Uni work). ;-(

The main paper guide on the ink-jet the laser is to replace also
suffered the same fate, and has it been mentioned at the time, I could
probably have repaired it, it would have been used and the print head
wouldn't have dried up ... ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 04/02/2019 11:15, www.GymRatZ.co.uk wrote:

Yes it's fairly big but it sits on the floor under my computer desk
without any problem

To add...
390mm (W) x 523mm (D) x 370mm (H) - Weight 29.3kg
So just put it on your shelf sideways.

On Mon, 04 Feb 2019 08:46:39 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I now run with an old fashioned single bladed safety razor. I dont cut
myself any more than I used to

Blades last ages and are cheap.

I still think you can't beat a good old-fashioned cut-throat razor. It
takes a good while to get used to them, but once you do, it's the closest
shave you'll ever get. And the blades last for ever; just run it up once
a week against a leather strop and bob's your uncle.



--
Leave first - THEN negotiate!

On 04/02/2019 19:03, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 04 Feb 2019 08:46:39 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I now run with an old fashioned single bladed safety razor. I dont cut
myself any more than I used to

Blades last ages and are cheap.

I still think you can't beat a good old-fashioned cut-throat razor. It
takes a good while to get used to them, but once you do, it's the closest
shave you'll ever get. And the blades last for ever; just run it up once
a week against a leather strop and bob's your uncle.



I lack the eyesight and the courage
:-)

--
Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early
twenty-first centurys developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen

On 02/02/2019 19:46, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 13:15:12 +0000, newshound
wrote:

snip

I've been happy with my Lexmark CS410dn. Taller than modern mono ones,
but full duplex and wifi.

Thanks for that.

The last Lexmark I dealt with was one of those 'ink on a roll of cling
film ones. Brilliant prints but about £1 / page then! ;-(

Cheers, T i m

I have a Canon Selphy that does "postcards" by dye sublimation. These
days more often than not I'll run off an A4 print on the Lexmark and
laminate it if I want to give someone a picture.

On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 11:15:16 +0000, "www.GymRatZ.co.uk"
wrote:

snip

Is there such a beast as a "compact" colour laser?

Whilst it may be a catch 22, I think you can get 'bigger' printers and
that's not what we were after. ;-)

My own criteria was refillable cartridges.

Whilst I have doe that a couple of times, I'm not sure it was as good
VFM as an OEM cart.

Based on the Mono Kyocera I bought for work use which although
cartridges can be re-filled I haven't bothered as non OEM ones are
really cheap...

;-)

I bought a Kyocera ECOSYS P6021cdn colour.

I think that's been replaced now:

https://www.printerland.co.uk/produc...6230cdn/141727

Yes it's fairly big but it sits on the floor under my computer desk
without any problem
It's 3 colour + black cartridges can be replaced independently and are
very well priced.

Ok.

Paper tray slides in under the printer and printed paper collects on the
top so no protrusions.

Check.

Not sure if it is/was Wi-Fiable as I have it
plugged into the LAN.

Whilst that (LAN) is my preferred connection, in this case it's
diagonally opposite the router so would either need a cable run round
the room or some powerline adaptors.

It has a mass of configuration possibilities on the menu, which creates
a complexity, I'm sure would make more sense if the manual was studied.

The only issue I have with LCD displays is when they stop working and
you don't have the option to configure over the LAN. ;-(

As Kyocera say "we don't make inkjet printers"

;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 02 Feb 2019 22:23:35 +0000 (GMT), Theo
wrote:


snip

(should say, I didn't pay attention to their supplied cable so I don't know
if they already supplied something suitable).


They didn't, just a std straight socket.

Wouldn't connect to the WiFi using WPS (but nor would the HLPJ), nor
using the screen / manually but *luckily* using the Windows only (for
the Linux users out there g) setup software (as did the HPLJ).

After that, it was all pretty straightforward and we did test prints
from the W7 PC, W7 laptop and the Android phones.

I will get one of the 90 Deg sockets and will make a small plinth to
stand it on so it sits evenly on all it's feet (a bit of MDF on a
couple of battens).

Now to do the cashback? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

We had a thread in February about recommending "T i m" a colour laser printer. A quick update.

I suggested the Brother HL-L8260CDW (~GBP100 after cashback) because it
doesn't have toner DRM, so there are no protection chips in the cartridges.
However you need a plastic 'toner reset wheel', as described he
https://www.urefilltoner.co.uk/how-t...-L8410cdw.html

An update to the situation. My Brother has run out of toner and I've attempted the reset procedure.
Because I'm a cheapskate, I didn't buy from the above supplier but from Aliexpress:

"(ACC-TN436) flag gear for brother TN416 TN426 TN436 HL-L8360CDW HL-L8260CDW
HL-L8360CDWT HL-L9310CDW BKCMY 9K reset lever gear"
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32965021130.html

It turned out this was the right shape and everything, but it was too long.
Possibly because I was trying to reset a TN431 cartridge and this is for a
high-capacity TN436.

Anyway, it was a bit moot because I simply bought a set of four toner
cartridges for GBP36.50 and they're a straight swap - cleaner and easier
than messing with reset wheels:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Set-of-4-...W/333348907628

Now at 3,200 pages and it's been pretty flawless.

Theo