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I've not used Superglue very much but recently have found it useful for a couple of jobs.

The problem is that it's so liquid it tends to run all over the place and you get into problems of gluing your fingers to things you didn't intend to (not that I sometimes intend to glue my fingers but you know what I mean!)

I'm going to try the gel version but my question is, does the gel version just not flow around so much or does it also have an ability to fill small gaps?
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I've not used Superglue very much but recently have found it useful for a couple of jobs.

The problem is that it's so liquid it tends to run all over the place and you get into problems of gluing your fingers to things you didn't intend to (not that I sometimes intend to glue my fingers but you know what I mean!)

I'm going to try the gel version but my question is, does the gel version just not flow around so much or does it also have an ability to fill small gaps?


I like HV superglue (Toolsatan et al) get a tin of aerosol
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What's aerosol activator?

I thought moisture was what activated superglue.

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I like HV superglue (Toolsatan et al) get a tin of aerosol
activator too.


A little moisture helps superglue set up fast I find.
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I've not used Superglue very much but recently have found it useful for a couple of jobs.

The problem is that it's so liquid it tends to run all over the place and you get into problems of gluing your fingers to things you didn't intend to (not that I sometimes intend to glue my fingers but you know what I mean!)

I'm going to try the gel version but my question is, does the gel version just not flow around so much or does it also have an ability to fill small gaps?


Not so much filling ability.

Try this: (baking soda as filler and accelerator, needs liquid runny superglue)

https://www.instructables.com/id/Super-Glue-Accelerator-and-Filler/


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I've not used Superglue very much but recently have found it useful
for a couple of jobs.

The problem is that it's so liquid it tends to run all over the place
and you get into problems of gluing your fingers to things you didn't
intend to (not that I sometimes intend to glue my fingers but you
know what I mean!)


Acetone is a reliable and effective solvent for superglue. It is hard to
get as its handy for making various illegal drugs, but try.



I'm going to try the gel version but my question is, does the gel
version just not flow around so much or does it also have an ability
to fill small gaps?

Thicker stuff will fill small gaps. For serious gap filling google
superglue and baking powder.




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What's aerosol activator?

I thought moisture was what activated superglue.

it's one thing that works. There are others

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I like HV superglue (Toolsatan et al) get a tin of aerosol
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A little moisture helps superglue set up fast I find.


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What's aerosol activator?


Its like making instant coffee in a microwave ;-)

It makes a fast thing much faster - basically causes the glue to set on
contact. So you can glue, hold in place, spray and let go.




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On 01/01/2019 18:21, Murmansk wrote:
I've not used Superglue very much but recently have found it useful
for a couple of jobs.

The problem is that it's so liquid it tends to run all over the place
and you get into problems of gluing your fingers to things you didn't
intend to (not that I sometimes intend to glue my fingers but you
know what I mean!)


Acetone is a reliable and effective solvent for superglue. It is hard to
get as its handy for making various illegal drugs, but try.


A half litre aerosol of "foam cleaner" from TS etc... Basically pure
acetone.



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What's aerosol activator?


Its like making instant coffee in a microwave ;-)

It makes a fast thing much faster - basically causes the glue to set on
contact. So you can glue, hold in place, spray and let go.


Or apply glue to one half of the joint, dust the other part with
the activator spray THEN bring both together & count to
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No, I have never found the need. If I need a fast set, I spray with
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I've not used Superglue very much but recently have found it useful for a couple of jobs.

The problem is that it's so liquid it tends to run all over the place and you get into problems of gluing your fingers to things you didn't intend to (not that I sometimes intend to glue my fingers but you know what I mean!)

I'm going to try the gel version but my question is, does the gel version just not flow around so much or does it also have an ability to fill small gaps?


Liquid fills small gaps IME. Baking soda then superglue is good for bigger gaps.


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No, I have never found the need. If I need a fast set, I spray with
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Much faster than water...

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What's aerosol activator?


Its like making instant coffee in a microwave ;-)

It makes a fast thing much faster - basically causes the glue to set
on contact. So you can glue, hold in place, spray and let go.


Or, if you got it wrong, not let go.

As an aside, I use CA as a coating for turned pens, many coats then
finer and finer abrasives.
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On 01/01/2019 18:43, Murmansk wrote:

What's aerosol activator?

Its like making instant coffee in a microwave ;-)

It makes a fast thing much faster - basically causes the glue to set
on contact. So you can glue, hold in place, spray and let go.


Or, if you got it wrong, not let go.

As an aside, I use CA as a coating for turned pens, many coats then
finer and finer abrasives.


Cellulose dope is a lot cheaper.


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On 01/01/2019 18:43, Murmansk wrote:

What's aerosol activator?

Its like making instant coffee in a microwave ;-)

It makes a fast thing much faster - basically causes the glue to set
on contact. So you can glue, hold in place, spray and let go.

Or, if you got it wrong, not let go.

As an aside, I use CA as a coating for turned pens, many coats then
finer and finer abrasives.


Cellulose dope is a lot cheaper.



It is never used in pen making, (should not say never, there might be
some dill using it).
research pen making and finishes
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On 02/01/2019 02:06, FMurtz wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , John
Rumm wrote:

On 01/01/2019 18:43, Murmansk wrote:

What's aerosol activator?

Its like making instant coffee in a microwave ;-)

It makes a fast thing much faster - basically causes the glue to
set on contact. So you can glue, hold in place, spray and let go.

Or, if you got it wrong, not let go.

As an aside, I use CA as a coating for turned pens, many coats then
finer and finer abrasives.


Cellulose dope is a lot cheaper.



It is never used in pen making, (should not say never, there might be
some dill using it).
research pen making and finishes




a cursory glance shows its mainly amateurs turners doing it who have no
clue.

I have used CA as you describe and also cellulose dope. Or 'cellulose
lacquer' as it is called when sold for non model aircraft use.

Personally I prefer dope or sanding sealer .

CA is expensive and messy.

The finish is very similar. A layer of polished translucent plastic of
some sort.








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Well, in my experience, no it shrinks when it dries.
There are a lot of different glues based on the unspellable word. I
remember when where I worked dealt with Loctite, the sheer number of
different versions of this stuff was mind boggling.
I gather its the same stuff they glue wounds together with if they do not
need stitching.
I never did get it as when we worked with it we had to work in a well
ventilated place due to some fumes containing cyanide.
Ugh.
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I've not used Superglue very much but recently have found it useful for a
couple of jobs.

The problem is that it's so liquid it tends to run all over the place and
you get into problems of gluing your fingers to things you didn't intend
to (not that I sometimes intend to glue my fingers but you know what I
mean!)

I'm going to try the gel version but my question is, does the gel version
just not flow around so much or does it also have an ability to fill small
gaps?





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Yes that is why it glues bits of the human body so well.
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Brian Gaff wrote:

I gather its the same stuff they glue wounds together with if they do
not need stitching.


Amazon helpfully points out that VetBond costs £5330 per litre, looks
like you add a zero for DermaBond that's approved for use on humans.
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Brian Gaff wrote:

I gather its the same stuff they glue wounds together with if they do
not need stitching.


Amazon helpfully points out that VetBond costs £5330 per litre, looks
like you add a zero for DermaBond that's approved for use on humans.


I can confidentally assure the readers that aeromodelling involving
scalpels, tissue and consumer grade superglue, is an excellent testing
ground for the suitability of tissue and superglue plasters to cover
bleeding gashes.

If you have ripped an artery, use whatever you have.


Even Amazon prime will take too long...


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On 02/01/2019 05:22, FMurtz wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2019 02:06, FMurtz wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , John
Rumm wrote:

On 01/01/2019 18:43, Murmansk wrote:

What's aerosol activator?

Its like making instant coffee in a microwave ;-)

It makes a fast thing much faster - basically causes the glue to
set on contact. So you can glue, hold in place, spray and let go.

Or, if you got it wrong, not let go.

As an aside, I use CA as a coating for turned pens, many coats then
finer and finer abrasives.

Cellulose dope is a lot cheaper.



It is never used in pen making, (should not say never, there might be
some dill using it).
research pen making and finishes




a cursory glance shows its mainly amateurs turners doing it who have no
clue.


The pros use it as well. The low viscosity glue has the advantage of
wicking into fine cracks, and also being absorbed into the wood fibres,
adding some extra strength and durability to cross grain sections of the
turning.




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On 02/01/2019 05:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2019 05:22, FMurtz wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2019 02:06, FMurtz wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , John
Rumm wrote:

On 01/01/2019 18:43, Murmansk wrote:

What's aerosol activator?

Its like making instant coffee in a microwave ;-)

It makes a fast thing much faster - basically causes the glue to
set on contact. So you can glue, hold in place, spray and let go.

Or, if you got it wrong, not let go.

As an aside, I use CA as a coating for turned pens, many coats then
finer and finer abrasives.

Cellulose dope is a lot cheaper.



It is never used in pen making, (should not say never, there might be
some dill using it).
research pen making and finishes




a cursory glance shows its mainly amateurs turners doing it who have
no clue.


The pros use it as well. The low viscosity glue has the advantage of
wicking into fine cracks, and also being absorbed into the wood fibres,
adding some extra strength and durability to cross grain sections of the
turning.

As does cellulose lacquer.






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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2019 11:39, John Rumm wrote:
On 02/01/2019 05:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2019 05:22, FMurtz wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2019 02:06, FMurtz wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , John
Rumm wrote:

On 01/01/2019 18:43, Murmansk wrote:

What's aerosol activator?

Its like making instant coffee in a microwave ;-)

It makes a fast thing much faster - basically causes the glue to
set on contact. So you can glue, hold in place, spray and let go.

Or, if you got it wrong, not let go.

As an aside, I use CA as a coating for turned pens, many coats
then finer and finer abrasives.

Cellulose dope is a lot cheaper.



It is never used in pen making, (should not say never, there might
be some dill using it).
research pen making and finishes



a cursory glance shows its mainly amateurs turners doing it who have
no clue.


The pros use it as well. The low viscosity glue has the advantage of
wicking into fine cracks, and also being absorbed into the wood
fibres, adding some extra strength and durability to cross grain
sections of the turning.

As does cellulose lacquer.






I doubt that you can find anyone in the world that makes turned pens
that uses cellulose lacquer, they do however use other finishes.
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On 02/01/2019 09:44, Andy Burns wrote:

Brian Gaff wrote:

I gather its the same stuff they glue wounds together with if they
do not need stitching.


Amazon helpfully points out that VetBond costs £5330 per litre, looks
like you add a zero for DermaBond that's approved for use on humans.


I can confidentally assure the readers that aeromodelling involving
scalpels, tissue and consumer grade superglue, is an excellent testing
ground for the suitability of tissue and superglue plasters to cover
bleeding gashes.

If you have ripped an artery, use whatever you have.


Even Amazon prime will take too long...


Are you still balsa bashing?
I did the hobby over 40 years ago.


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On 02/01/2019 11:39, John Rumm wrote:
On 02/01/2019 05:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2019 05:22, FMurtz wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2019 02:06, FMurtz wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , John
Rumm wrote:

On 01/01/2019 18:43, Murmansk wrote:

What's aerosol activator?

Its like making instant coffee in a microwave ;-)

It makes a fast thing much faster - basically causes the glue to
set on contact. So you can glue, hold in place, spray and let go.

Or, if you got it wrong, not let go.

As an aside, I use CA as a coating for turned pens, many coats
then finer and finer abrasives.

Cellulose dope is a lot cheaper.



It is never used in pen making, (should not say never, there might
be some dill using it).
research pen making and finishes



a cursory glance shows its mainly amateurs turners doing it who have
no clue.


The pros use it as well. The low viscosity glue has the advantage of
wicking into fine cracks, and also being absorbed into the wood
fibres, adding some extra strength and durability to cross grain
sections of the turning.

As does cellulose lacquer.


Well not being a wood turner I will have to bow to your greater
experience. Just reporting what all the wood turners I know have told me...


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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2019 09:44, Andy Burns wrote:

Brian Gaff wrote:

I gather its the same stuff they glue wounds together with if they
do not need stitching.

Amazon helpfully points out that VetBond costs £5330 per litre, looks
like you add a zero for DermaBond that's approved for use on humans.


I can confidentally assure the readers that aeromodelling involving
scalpels, tissue and consumer grade superglue, is an excellent testing
ground for the suitability of tissue and superglue plasters to cover
bleeding gashes.

If you have ripped an artery, use whatever you have.


Even Amazon prime will take too long...


Are you still balsa bashing?
I did the hobby over 40 years ago.


About 60 years ago, was a keen balsa basher (model aircraft). Field
repairs would have been so much easier (even feasible) if only we'd had
superglue in those days - not only for almost instant repairs to broken
wings, but also for the backs of fingers that got deeply slashed by the
propeller when trying to flick-start a 'difficult' diesel engine.



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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2019 09:44, Andy Burns wrote:

Brian Gaff wrote:

I gather its the same stuff they glue wounds together with if they
do not need stitching.

Amazon helpfully points out that VetBond costs £5330 per litre,
looks like you add a zero for DermaBond that's approved for use on
humans.

I can confidentally assure the readers that aeromodelling involving
scalpels, tissue and consumer grade superglue, is an excellent
testing ground for the suitability of tissue and superglue plasters
to cover bleeding gashes.

If you have ripped an artery, use whatever you have.


Even Amazon prime will take too long...


Are you still balsa bashing?
I did the hobby over 40 years ago.


About 60 years ago, was a keen balsa basher (model aircraft). Field
repairs would have been so much easier (even feasible) if only we'd
had superglue in those days - not only for almost instant repairs to
broken wings, but also for the backs of fingers that got deeply
slashed by the propeller when trying to flick-start a 'difficult'
diesel engine.


I can just about remember using Araldite Rapid.
I also remember offering my wrist to the propeller whilst twiddling the
needle valve.
Single channel .................. ya! Those were the days.







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The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/01/2019 09:44, Andy Burns wrote:

Brian Gaff wrote:

I gather its the same stuff they glue wounds together with if they
do not need stitching.

Amazon helpfully points out that VetBond costs £5330 per litre, looks
like you add a zero for DermaBond that's approved for use on humans.

I can confidentally assure the readers that aeromodelling involving
scalpels, tissue and consumer grade superglue, is an excellent testing
ground for the suitability of tissue and superglue plasters to cover
bleeding gashes.

If you have ripped an artery, use whatever you have.


Even Amazon prime will take too long...


Are you still balsa bashing?
I did the hobby over 40 years ago.


About 60 years ago, was a keen balsa basher (model aircraft). Field
repairs would have been so much easier (even feasible) if only we'd had
superglue in those days - not only for almost instant repairs to broken
wings, but also for the backs of fingers that got deeply slashed by the
propeller when trying to flick-start a 'difficult' diesel engine.



I still bash balsa though havent had too much time recently.


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Brian Gaff wrote:

I gather its the same stuff they glue wounds together with if they do
not need stitching.


Amazon helpfully points out that VetBond costs £5330 per litre, looks
like you add a zero for DermaBond that's approved for use on humans.


I wish that DermaBond (2-Octyl cyanoacrylate) was easier and cheaper to get hold of, as I'm told it is the bee's knees for dealing with 'winter skin' cracks that open up round fingernails, which is a recurrent irritating problem I have.

Considering you can get ordinary (Ethyl cyanoacrylate) superglue in pound shops, the difference is breathtaking.

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'winter skin' cracks that open up round fingernails,
which is a recurrent irritating problem I have.


Seems you're not alone

https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-r.../ref=cm_cr_dp_
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So it looks like I'm not the only one who suffers from this apparently
minor condition!

But 'irritating' these splits ain't. They are actually exceedingly
painful, and can be quite disabling. They can be quite deep, and often
seem to start beneath the skin, then work their way to the surface. The
tip of the affected digit then hurts like hell - especially if you touch
anything with it.

Although people often laugh at me when I tell them about using superglue
for fixing these splits, I have been using it ages. Some varieties are
easier to use than others. Probably the best choice is one of medium
viscosity, and which 'goes off' quickly to form the artificial scab. But
the effect is amazing. The pain is gone almost immediately, and the
split heals up in a day or two.
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'winter skin' cracks that open up round fingernails,
which is a recurrent irritating problem I have.


Seems you're not alone

https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-r.../ref=cm_cr_dp_
d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B004C12Q46


So it looks like I'm not the only one who suffers from this apparently
minor condition!


But 'irritating' these splits ain't. They are actually exceedingly
painful, and can be quite disabling. They can be quite deep, and often
seem to start beneath the skin, then work their way to the surface. The
tip of the affected digit then hurts like hell - especially if you touch
anything with it.


Although people often laugh at me when I tell them about using superglue
for fixing these splits, I have been using it ages. Some varieties are
easier to use than others. Probably the best choice is one of medium
viscosity, and which 'goes off' quickly to form the artificial scab. But
the effect is amazing. The pain is gone almost immediately, and the
split heals up in a day or two.


bear in mind that superglue was developed to hold wounds together (another
military spin off), so it's doing its proper job.

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On 04/01/2019 13:36, Roger Hayter wrote:
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On 04/01/2019 08:44, wrote:
On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 10:44:35 AM UTC+1, Andy Burns
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Brian Gaff wrote:

I gather its the same stuff they glue wounds together with if
they do not need stitching.

Amazon helpfully points out that VetBond costs £5330 per litre,
looks like you add a zero for DermaBond that's approved for use on
humans.

I wish that DermaBond (2-Octyl cyanoacrylate) was easier and cheaper
to get hold of, as I'm told it is the bee's knees for dealing with
'winter skin' cracks that open up round fingernails, which is a
recurrent irritating problem I have.


Are you sure that's not a fungal infection? Easily treated with generic
anti-fungal (Clotrimazole) cream?


And/or dermatitis, treatable with hydrocorisone cream (or stronger meds
from a doctor).

Both are worth trying.


Id not heard ofd 'winter skin' before and a quick googles suggests it's
caused by excessive loss of moisure too much washing, not much sweaing
etc etc.

But THEN if the skin cracks that renders it liable to infection and
thats where I think te cracks are coming from


Basically you have three potential problems on top of dry slkin

- fungal - Clotrimazole
- bacterial - use germolene or similar
- allergic - use hydrocortisone

I think all are fundamentally available from any pharmacy without a
prescription and the pharmacist will probably take one look and give you
the right one

I get periodic bours of fungal crap - toes, and hand nails, and 'dhobi
itch'.

The cream fixes it completely in a day or two




Considering you can get ordinary (Ethyl cyanoacrylate) superglue in
pound shops, the difference is breathtaking.

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'winter skin' cracks that open up round fingernails,
which is a recurrent irritating problem I have.


Seems you're not alone

https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R243J6EPZ642VZ/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B004C12Q46


What do they mean by 'corners of the fingers and thumbs' ?

So it looks like I'm not the only one who suffers from this apparently
minor condition!

But 'irritating' these splits ain't. They are actually exceedingly
painful, and can be quite disabling. They can be quite deep, and often
seem to start beneath the skin, then work their way to the surface. The
tip of the affected digit then hurts like hell - especially if you touch
anything with it.

Although people often laugh at me when I tell them about using superglue
for fixing these splits, I have been using it ages. Some varieties are
easier to use than others. Probably the best choice is one of medium
viscosity, and which 'goes off' quickly to form the artificial scab. But
the effect is amazing. The pain is gone almost immediately, and the split
heals up in a day or two.



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So it looks like I'm not the only one who suffers from this apparently minor
condition!

But 'irritating' these splits ain't. They are actually exceedingly painful,
and can be quite disabling. They can be quite deep, and often seem to start
beneath the skin, then work their way to the surface. The tip of the affected
digit then hurts like hell - especially if you touchch anything with it.


I used to suffer from them quite a lot. I used to work in a lot of
unheated buildings and sometimes out in the cold weather on intricate
tasks. Maybe my pain threshold is high, but they were more an annoyance
to me, than a major source of pain.


Although people often laugh at me when I tell them about using superglue for
fixing these splits, I have been using it ages. Some varieties are easier to
use than others. Probably the best choice is one of medium viscosity, and
which 'goes off' quickly to form the artificial scab. But the effect is
amazing. The pain is gone almost immediately, and the split heals up in a day
or two.


I did try that on cuts, when it first appeared. I would describe the
pain from that, as much worse that that of a split i the finger tip.
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