Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH boiler
fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end of a
less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving the boiler
to an alternative location that will have to be replaced anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what are
pro/cons of this?

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating? (or
have to be replaced frequently)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different temp
settings for different times of the day

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?

finally note that I do not want an internet connected device.

thanks

tim

On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH boiler
fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end
of a less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving the
boiler to an alternative location that will have to be replaced anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what
are pro/cons of this?

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating?
(or have to be replaced frequently)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different
temp settings for different times of the day

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?

finally note that I do not want an internet connected device.

thanks

tim


I have a salus wireless, it gives a battery warning if low.
I find it ideal as I can move it around to the room I am using.
It also has setting for time of day and temp.
Bought from ebay:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Salus-RT5...mXa:rk:26:pf:0

On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH boiler
fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end
of a less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving the
boiler to an alternative location that will have to be replaced anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what
are pro/cons of this?

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating?
(or have to be replaced frequently)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different
temp settings for different times of the day

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?

Yes. A wired programmable thermostat would do what you want. The
Danfoss TP9000 is a two channel programmer which would also turn off the
hot water when you don't want it to heat up.

Heatmiser make a range of programmable thermostats. If connected to the
internet they do allow access from an Android device, but they don't
have to be connected.

Both the above allow use of a remote sensor. I have earlier versions of
both the above at separate locations.


finally note that I do not want an internet connected device.

thanks

tim




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On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH boiler
fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end
of a less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving the
boiler to an alternative location that will have to be replaced anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what
are pro/cons of this?

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating?
(or have to be replaced frequently)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different
temp settings for different times of the day

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?

Certainly. I have a digistat 3 which meets all of my similar needs.

https://www.draytoncontrols.co.uk/pr...oomThermostats

Other similar items are available from other vendors.






finally note that I do not want an internet connected device.

thanks

tim




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On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH boiler
fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end
of a less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving the
boiler to an alternative location that will have to be replaced anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what
are pro/cons of this?

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating?
(or have to be replaced frequently)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different
temp settings for different times of the day

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?

finally note that I do not want an internet connected device.

thanks

tim


The house we have recently left had a wired programmable thermostat. I
cant recall the make but it worked well. Yes when the batteries ran out
it did cease to function but I routinely replaced them (two AAA)
annually to avoid the issue.

This has reminded me to buy another for our new home

Mike

"Michael Chare" wrote in message
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On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH boiler
fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end of
a less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving the
boiler to an alternative location that will have to be replaced anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what
are pro/cons of this?

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating? (or
have to be replaced frequently)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different
temp settings for different times of the day

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?


well thanks for this, but

Yes. A wired programmable thermostat would do what you want. The Danfoss
TP9000 is a two channel programmer which would also turn off the hot water
when you don't want it to heat up.

what part of Combi do you not understand? :-)

On 22/10/2018 10:13, Michael Chare wrote:
On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH
boiler fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end
of a less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving
the boiler to an alternative location that will have to be replaced
anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what
are pro/cons of this?

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating?
(or have to be replaced frequently)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different
temp settings for different times of the day

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?

Yes.Â* A wired programmable thermostat would do what you want. The
Danfoss TP9000 is a two channel programmer which would also turn off the
hot water when you don't want it to heat up.

The OP is fitting a combi, so the DHW channel will only add confusion IMHO


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On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH boiler
fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end
of a less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving the
boiler to an alternative location that will have to be replaced anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what
are pro/cons of this?

Pros:

no need for wiring.

You can move the stat about. (note that can also be a con if you move it
to somewhere already controlled by a TRV - you may just end up defeating
your boiler interlock)

Cons:
See last pro above, and
Batteries need replacing (although they will probably last several years)
May have connection problems of the transmitter and receiver are too far
apart.

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating?
(or have to be replaced frequently)

They might do - but usually last years, and are commonly available types
(i.e. AAs)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different
temp settings for different times of the day

That's a programmable stat or prog stat. You probably don't want a full
"programmer" since you have no DHW re-heat to control.

Note you will come across two types of prog stat - "normal" and
"optimising".

The normal ones allow you to specify a number of different windows
during the day, and (usually) also specify the temperature of each. When
the new time slot start, the heating will fire if required and keep
going until the required temperature is reached. So if you way I want it
to be 21 degrees between 7am and 9am, it will turn on at 7am, and will
reach 21 degrees some time later.

The optimising one will attempt to learn the heating characteristics of
the property, and fire before each new time slot, so that when the slot
starts, the temperature is already at the preset value. So using the
example above it might fire the heating at 6am, so that it will be 21
degrees at 7am. Note that with properties that are difficult to heat,
this might mean the heating fires hours before the actual time slot.

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?

Yup and wireless.

finally note that I do not want an internet connected device.

thanks

tim




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On 22/10/2018 11:16, tim... wrote:


"Michael Chare" wrote in message
news
On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH
boiler fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the
end of a less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am
moving the boiler to an alternative location that will have to be
replaced anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but
what are pro/cons of this?

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating?
(or have to be replaced frequently)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with
different temp settings for different times of the day

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?


well thanks for this, but

Yes.Â* A wired programmable thermostat would do what you want. The
Danfoss TP9000 is a two channel programmer which would also turn off
the hot water when you don't want it to heat up.

what part of Combi do you not understand? :-)


The Worcester combi I have actually has its own programmer which allows
the hot water to be switched off. Stops the boiler running at all and
keeping a little bit water hot all then time. Perhaps you like to waste
energy!



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On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 09:43:41 +0100, tim... wrote:

Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH boiler
fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end
of a less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving the
boiler to an alternative location that will have to be replaced anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what
are pro/cons of this?

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating?
(or have to be replaced frequently)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different
temp settings for different times of the day

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?

finally note that I do not want an internet connected device.

thanks

tim

https://www.wolseley.co.uk/product/c...-programmable-
room-thermostat/

Does the move around the house and stuff.
Works fine with out combi and a single zone.
As already suggested, the trick is to move it to the room where you want
the temperature to match the thermostat.
We generally keep in the front corner downstairs room on the North facing
wall, which is usually the coolest room in the house.

Thermostatic valves on the radiators which gives reasonable protection
from over heating the rest of the house.

Cheers


Dave R

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On Monday, 22 October 2018 09:44:53 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH boiler
fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end of a
less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving the boiler
to an alternative location that will have to be replaced anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what are
pro/cons of this?

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating? (or
have to be replaced frequently)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different temp
settings for different times of the day

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?

finally note that I do not want an internet connected device.

thanks

tim

To get multiple temps at different times you need a programmable stat. Yes you can get them wired. And yes, when the batteries run out the heating is left on full blast all the time on some. And yes, the batteries will die & leak, killing the thing in short order. And no, they're nothing like as reliable as the old bimetals. And nothing like as easy to use as a bimetal. I got rid of the one here & been perfectly happy with the bimetal.

Wireless ones are great if you want to lose the thing, have some oik stand on it & break it etc.


NT

On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what
are pro/cons of this?

Pros, no wiring.
Cons. Batteries need replacing.
Mine has often required re synchronisation after a thunderstorm



Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating?
(or have to be replaced frequently)


Yes, the batteries do run out and leave you without heating unless you
can override them, no its not frequently - once a year seems about
riught. I battery mine up a spart of et autum CH seriving.#


I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different
temp settings for different times of the day


Thats oirthogonal to how it transits the 'GO' signal to the CH system


can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?

Probably Been years since I bothered to look


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In article ,
tim... wrote:
I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH boiler
fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end
of a less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving
the boiler to an alternative location that will have to be replaced
anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what
are pro/cons of this?

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating?
(or have to be replaced frequently)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different
temp settings for different times of the day

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?

Yes. Although wired, they are often battery operated for the electronic
part, But with a pretty long life.

You might also look into weather compensation. Trouble with a single stat
is it only measures the temperature in that area. WC does seem to make the
system more efficient in gas use overall. At a cost.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
tim... wrote:
I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH boiler
fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end
of a less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving
the boiler to an alternative location that will have to be replaced
anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what
are pro/cons of this?

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating?
(or have to be replaced frequently)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different
temp settings for different times of the day

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?

Yes. Although wired, they are often battery operated for the electronic
part, But with a pretty long life.

You might also look into weather compensation. Trouble with a single stat
is it only measures the temperature in that area. WC does seem to make the
system more efficient in gas use overall. At a cost.

I've only got three rooms (plus bathroom and hallway)

It's a middle floor flat with only one aspect

it's in the South of England.

doesn't seem worth the bother.

tim

As long as none of the people using it have eyesight issues, people say
these devices are good. I understand that most of the talking ones are wired
in.
Brian

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"ss" wrote in message
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On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH boiler
fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end of
a less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving the
boiler to an alternative location that will have to be replaced anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what
are pro/cons of this?

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating? (or
have to be replaced frequently)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different
temp settings for different times of the day

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?

finally note that I do not want an internet connected device.

thanks

tim


I have a salus wireless, it gives a battery warning if low.
I find it ideal as I can move it around to the room I am using.
It also has setting for time of day and temp.
Bought from ebay:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Salus-RT5...mXa:rk:26:pf:0

On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH boiler
fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end
of a less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving the
boiler to an alternative location that will have to be replaced anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what
are pro/cons of this?

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating?
(or have to be replaced frequently)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different
temp settings for different times of the day

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?

finally note that I do not want an internet connected device.

thanks

tim



The hallway is not the ideal place for a thermostat. You are much better
positioning the thermostat in the room where you sit/live the most and
make that room most comfortable for, say, watching TV in the evening.

I've only had experience of a couple of basic wireless thermostats
(circa £50) but:

The batteries last for over a year and there have been low battery
(visual) warnings.

The controllers that I've had can be programmed for at least 3 on/off
times per day and for different temperature settings for each on time
and for each off time (the latter can be set for frost protection). They
have also had "shortcut" modes of setting up, say, same settings for
week days and a different setting for a weekend.

Search the internet for a suitable wireless thermostat and then check
Youtube for and instructional video.

You may find that these days more of the all singing, all dancing
wireless controllers come with an internet option but you don't have to
use them this way.



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Brian Gaff wrote

As long as none of the people using it have eyesight issues, people say
these devices are good. I understand that most of the talking ones are
wired in.

Not now that so many are done using
the smartphone or one of the Echoes etc.

"ss" wrote in message
...
On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH boiler
fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end
of a less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving the
boiler to an alternative location that will have to be replaced anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what
are pro/cons of this?

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating?
(or have to be replaced frequently)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different
temp settings for different times of the day

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?

finally note that I do not want an internet connected device.

thanks

tim


I have a salus wireless, it gives a battery warning if low.
I find it ideal as I can move it around to the room I am using.
It also has setting for time of day and temp.
Bought from ebay:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Salus-RT5...mXa:rk:26:pf:0

alan_m wrote in
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On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH
boiler fitted


"Holiday Mode" is good. Set a min temp for whilst you are away and set the
number of days you will be away. Come back to a warm home! Some have "PArty
Mode" which enables you to add a number of hours of continuation of the
existing temp.

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 04:08:21 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:


Not now that so many are done using
the smartphone or one of the Echoes etc.

Darn ...and this innocent little thread was Rot-free so far! tsk

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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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As long as none of the people using it have eyesight issues, people say
these devices are good. I understand that most of the talking ones are
wired in.
Brian

Well I'll cross that bridge when/if I come to it.

I've cornered myself into having to replace the hob if I ever have to have a
pacemaker (with my medical history, not a negligible possibility)

tim

"alan_m" wrote in message
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On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH boiler
fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end of
a less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving the
boiler to an alternative location that will have to be replaced anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what
are pro/cons of this?

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating? (or
have to be replaced frequently)

I am looking for a comprehensive controller, preferably with different
temp settings for different times of the day

can I get this functionality in a wired thermostat?

finally note that I do not want an internet connected device.

thanks

tim



The hallway is not the ideal place for a thermostat. You are much better
positioning the thermostat in the room where you sit/live the most and
make that room most comfortable for, say, watching TV in the evening.

I've only had experience of a couple of basic wireless thermostats (circa
£50) but:

The batteries last for over a year and there have been low battery
(visual) warnings.

The controllers that I've had can be programmed for at least 3 on/off
times per day and for different temperature settings for each on time and
for each off time (the latter can be set for frost protection). They have
also had "shortcut" modes of setting up, say, same settings for week days
and a different setting for a weekend.

Search the internet for a suitable wireless thermostat and then check
Youtube for and instructional video.

You may find that these days more of the all singing, all dancing wireless
controllers come with an internet option but you don't have to use them
this way.

oh I'm sure that there are

but there are also some that are CFU if the internet connection isn't used.

and I already have a product in my living room for which an OTA download
crippled some working features unless you linked to the internet - so much
safer not to have the connection available in the first place

tim

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alan_m wrote in
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On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH
boiler fitted


"Holiday Mode" is good. Set a min temp for whilst you are away and set the
number of days you will be away. Come back to a warm home!

nice idea

never really bothered me coming back to a cold house though

Usually it It only takes a couple of hours to warm up

On Monday, 22 October 2018 19:43:08 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
"DerbyBorn" wrote in message
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alan_m wrote in
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On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH
boiler fitted


"Holiday Mode" is good. Set a min temp for whilst you are away and set the
number of days you will be away. Come back to a warm home!

nice idea

never really bothered me coming back to a cold house though

Usually it It only takes a couple of hours to warm up

Their only useful feature is the different temps at different times thing, and it's only useful if your routine is regular enough for a fixed program to work for you. Otherwise it's always much easier to use an old fashioned knob to do the same thing. Don't forget it won't just be you using it, and people can get ****ed off when they can't get it to do a simple job & aren't interested in learning how to work it.

My experience of one was not constructive.


NT

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On Monday, 22 October 2018 19:43:08 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
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alan_m wrote in
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On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH
boiler fitted


"Holiday Mode" is good. Set a min temp for whilst you are away and set
the
number of days you will be away. Come back to a warm home!

nice idea

never really bothered me coming back to a cold house though

Usually it It only takes a couple of hours to warm up

Their only useful feature is the different temps at different times thing,
and it's only useful if your routine is regular enough for a fixed program
to work for you. Otherwise it's always much easier to use an old fashioned
knob to do the same thing. Don't forget it won't just be you using it, and
people can get ****ed off when they can't get it to do a simple job &
aren't interested in learning how to work it.

My experience of one was not constructive.

The best approach is fully integrated occupancy sensors
for lights and central heating temp. And being able to
tell it you have left work and when you will home etc.

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:24:32 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:



The best approach is fully integrated occupancy sensors
for lights and central heating temp. And being able to
tell it you have left work and when you will home etc.

Yes, YOUR usual self-opinionated feedback was missing yet, you notoriuos
wisenheimer! BG

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On 22/10/2018 20:54, wrote:

Their only useful feature is the different temps at different times thing, and it's only useful if your routine is regular enough for a fixed program to work for you. Otherwise it's always much easier to use an old fashioned knob to do the same thing. Don't forget it won't just be you using it, and people can get ****ed off when they can't get it to do a simple job & aren't interested in learning how to work it.

My experience of one was not constructive.

On the ones I've owned a manual override has been as easy as a single
button press. If off pressing a single button will put it into the mode
that calls for the higher user programed temperature. It stays in this
mode until manually swithed back to off or until the next automatic
on/off sequence starts at which time the manual override is cancelled.

Manually raising of lowering the temperature is as simple as pressing
the up or down button. Again this override is automatically cancelled on
the next on/off sequence.

With a old fashioned knob you may get someone setting it to, say, 30C
and leaving it there erroneously believing the room will heat up faster.
With a basic electronic device the manual overrides are automatically
cancelled at the time of the next program cycle.


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alan_m wrote in
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On 22/10/2018 20:54, wrote:

Their only useful feature is the different temps at different times
thing, and it's only useful if your routine is regular enough for a
fixed program to work for you. Otherwise it's always much easier to
use an old fashioned knob to do the same thing. Don't forget it won't
just be you using it, and people can get ****ed off when they can't
get it to do a simple job & aren't interested in learning how to work
it.

My experience of one was not constructive.

On the ones I've owned a manual override has been as easy as a single
button press. If off pressing a single button will put it into the
mode that calls for the higher user programed temperature. It stays in
this mode until manually swithed back to off or until the next
automatic on/off sequence starts at which time the manual override is
cancelled.

Manually raising of lowering the temperature is as simple as pressing
the up or down button. Again this override is automatically cancelled
on the next on/off sequence.

With a old fashioned knob you may get someone setting it to, say, 30C
and leaving it there erroneously believing the room will heat up
faster. With a basic electronic device the manual overrides are
automatically cancelled at the time of the next program cycle.



Agree fully

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On Monday, 22 October 2018 19:43:08 UTC+1, tim... wrote:
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alan_m wrote in
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On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH
boiler fitted


"Holiday Mode" is good. Set a min temp for whilst you are away and set
the
number of days you will be away. Come back to a warm home!

nice idea

never really bothered me coming back to a cold house though

Usually it It only takes a couple of hours to warm up


Don't forget it won't just be you using it,

Eh?????

On 22/10/2018 23:33, alan_m wrote:
On 22/10/2018 20:54, wrote:

Their only useful feature is the different temps at different times
thing, and it's only useful if your routine is regular enough for a
fixed program to work for you. Otherwise it's always much easier to
use an old fashioned knob to do the same thing. Don't forget it won't
just be you using it, and people can get ****ed off when they can't
get it to do a simple job & aren't interested in learning how to work it.

My experience of one was not constructive.

On the ones I've owned a manual override has been as easy as a single
button press. If off pressing a single button will put it into the mode
that calls for the higher user programed temperature. It stays in this
mode until manually swithed back to off or until the next automatic
on/off sequence starts at which time the manual override is cancelled.

Manually raising of lowering the temperature is as simple as pressing
the up or down button. Again this override is automatically cancelled on
the next on/off sequence.

With a old fashioned knob you may get someone setting it to, say, 30C
and leaving it there erroneously believing the room will heat up faster.
With a basic electronic device the manual overrides are automatically
cancelled at the time of the next program cycle.
Yup I find the better prog stats have a number of advantages over the
mechanical type - not least better temperature regulation.

On my VR470 weather compensating stat, it has a rotary knob that you can
treat just like that of a mechanical stat. The display always shows you
the current inside and outside temps, along with the currently demanded
temp. If you twiddle the knob, it just adjusts the demanded temp. When
you stop twiddling it gives you the option to press a button to make the
change permanent and update the program for that time slot. If you just
leave it alone, then new temp demand is discarded at the next time slot
change.


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Their only useful feature is the different temps at different times
thing, and it's only useful if your routine is regular enough for a
fixed program to work for you

Quite. Like if single, and out at work all day. Rather the same as being
able to control the heating from your phone.

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On 2018-10-22, John Rumm wrote:

On 22/10/2018 09:43, tim... wrote:
Hi,

I have a property into which I am having a replacement (combi) CH boiler
fitted

Currently there is a basic wired thermostat in the hallway, at the end
of a less than (ascetically) ideal wiring run, though as I am moving the
boiler to an alternative location that will have to be replaced anyway

I understand that I can get a wireless thermostat/controller, but what
are pro/cons of this?

Pros:

no need for wiring.

You can move the stat about. (note that can also be a con if you move it
to somewhere already controlled by a TRV - you may just end up defeating
your boiler interlock)

Cons:
See last pro above, and
Batteries need replacing (although they will probably last several years)
May have connection problems of the transmitter and receiver are too far
apart.

Do the batteries run out unexpectedly and leave you without heating?
(or have to be replaced frequently)

They might do - but usually last years, and are commonly available types
(i.e. AAs)

IME they don't quite last a year but I may be replacing them
overcautiously whenever I notice the battery warning indicator on the
thermostat.