Hi,
As I understand it from a previous thread a week or so back, it is
permissable to build a garage extension right up to the boundary between
neighbouring properties and the foundations can actually cross over.
The idea being to eliminate unsightly gaps between extensions built side
by side. If this is the case, what happens when the second person to
build then wants to build up to the boundary too? Does his wall bear on
those original foundations? If so, what happens if those foundations
are only suitable for a single story and the second person wants to
build higher? (I may be in a similar situation sometime. The original
thread fizzled out.)

Rockydell

As I understand it from a previous thread a week or so back, it is
permissable to build a garage extension right up to the boundary between
neighbouring properties and the foundations can actually cross over.
The idea being to eliminate unsightly gaps between extensions built side
by side. If this is the case, what happens when the second person to
build then wants to build up to the boundary too? Does his wall bear on
those original foundations? If so, what happens if those foundations
are only suitable for a single story and the second person wants to
build higher? (I may be in a similar situation sometime. The original
thread fizzled out.)


I did not see the original thread but it certainly is NOT acceptable without
permission, preferably by altering the deeds, and in many cases building
regs and/or planning would prevent it. If you want to build right up the
boundary where there is another wall the sensible thing to do is agree this
with the neighbour and plan ahead.

Peter Crosland wrote:
As I understand it from a previous thread a week or so back, it is
permissable to build a garage extension right up to the boundary
between neighbouring properties and the foundations can actually
cross over.
The idea being to eliminate unsightly gaps between extensions built
side by side. If this is the case, what happens when the second
person to build then wants to build up to the boundary too? Does his
wall bear on those original foundations? If so, what happens if
those foundations
are only suitable for a single story and the second person wants to
build higher? (I may be in a similar situation sometime. The
original thread fizzled out.)


I did not see the original thread but it certainly is NOT acceptable
without permission, preferably by altering the deeds, and in many
cases building regs and/or planning would prevent it. If you want to
build right up the boundary where there is another wall the sensible
thing to do is agree this with the neighbour and plan ahead.

Indeed, a friend of mine feel foul of this when the footings for his
extension were being dug.
The neighbour pointed out the pitched roof and gutter of the extension would
be over his garden.
So the plans and footings had to altered and there was significant extra
expense incurred.

The neighbour pointed out the pitched roof and gutter of the extension
would
be over his garden.
So the plans and footings had to altered and there was significant extra
expense incurred.

Yes, it is prudent to ascertain that you own the land before you design and
build!

Christian.

"Christian McArdle" wrote
The neighbour pointed out the pitched roof and gutter of the extension
would be over his garden.
So the plans and footings had to altered and there was significant extra
expense incurred.

Yes, it is prudent to ascertain that you own the land before you design and
build!

Or air in this case.

Is it a daft question to ask that the boundary extends 'virtually'
upwards from the property line. How far ?

Can I charge BAA for entering the airspace I own above my house ;-)

P.

Zymurgy wrote:

Can I charge BAA for entering the airspace I own above my house ;-)

They've built an airport over your house?.

--
Laurie R

Zymurgy wrote:

"Christian McArdle" wrote

The neighbour pointed out the pitched roof and gutter of the extension
would be over his garden.
So the plans and footings had to altered and there was significant extra
expense incurred.

Yes, it is prudent to ascertain that you own the land before you design and
build!


Or air in this case.

Is it a daft question to ask that the boundary extends 'virtually'
upwards from the property line. How far ?

Can I charge BAA for entering the airspace I own above my house ;-)

P.


No. The bounday extyends upwards essentially to aircraft level, because
you are allowed to shoot birds that fall intio your land. You are not
allowed to shot aircraft that fly over. IIRC there is a 250ft minimum
altidude on aircaft as well, so that is esentially where 'your property'
stops and 'free airspace' begins, for practical puroses.

It does NO exend downwards: Mineral extraction rights are NOT
automatically granted.

In the sense of overlooking, it doesn't even extend up to the boundary.

"Zymurgy" wrote
| Can I charge BAA for entering the airspace I own above my house ;-)

Much better to sort these things out amicably. A friendly note to the pilot
saying "please do not fly here again or I'll let your tyres down" left under
the windscreen wiper should do it.

Owain

Peter Crosland wrote:
As I understand it from a previous thread a week or so back, it is
permissable to build a garage extension right up to the boundary between
neighbouring properties and the foundations can actually cross over.
The idea being to eliminate unsightly gaps between extensions built side
by side. If this is the case, what happens when the second person to
build then wants to build up to the boundary too? Does his wall bear on
those original foundations? If so, what happens if those foundations
are only suitable for a single story and the second person wants to
build higher? (I may be in a similar situation sometime. The original
thread fizzled out.)


I did not see the original thread but it certainly is NOT acceptable without
permission, preferably by altering the deeds, and in many cases building
regs and/or planning would prevent it. If you want to build right up the
boundary where there is another wall the sensible thing to do is agree this
with the neighbour and plan ahead.



I think that this is the post the OP was referring to:

http://tinyurl.com/35r54

To quote:

"Boundaries can be a problem but with the new legislation, you can build
right up to the edge and build footings on your neighbours side without
his permission. This is to prevent the stupid 6" gaps appearing between
extensions. He can object and appeal, but will be stopped from
interfering if you are granted permission."

"Peter Crosland" wrote in message
...
As I understand it from a previous thread a week or so back, it is
permissable to build a garage extension right up to the boundary between
neighbouring properties and the foundations can actually cross over.
The idea being to eliminate unsightly gaps between extensions built side
by side. If this is the case, what happens when the second person to
build then wants to build up to the boundary too? Does his wall bear on
those original foundations? If so, what happens if those foundations
are only suitable for a single story and the second person wants to
build higher? (I may be in a similar situation sometime. The original
thread fizzled out.)


I did not see the original thread but it certainly is NOT acceptable without
permission, preferably by altering the deeds, and in many cases building
regs and/or planning would prevent it. If you want to build right up the
boundary where there is another wall the sensible thing to do is agree this
with the neighbour and plan ahead.

I didn't see the original thread either. But footings projecting across a
boundary are indeed permissible under the Party Wall etc Act 1996. Section 1(6)
states: "Where the Building Owner builds a wall wholly on his own land ......he
shall have the right .........to place below the level of the land of the
adjoining owner such projecting footings or foundations as are necessary for the
construction of the wall."

Section 2(2)(g) of the same Act states, "A Building Owner shall have the right
to cut away.....any footing....... or other projection on or over the land of
the Building Owner in order to erect, raise or underpin any such wall or for any
other purpose."

So, in principle you (as the person carrying out the work) have the right to
extend footings over the boundary if it is "necessary", and also to cut off your
neighbour's projecting footings on your land. Each case would be considered on
its merits by the Party Wall Surveyors acting for both sides, but the general
principles are that if you are building against an existing building you are
responsible for maintaining its stability and you must not increase the load on
its foundations. If your proposed foundations involve cutting off a projection
or undermine the existing building then you will probably need to underpin it.
Reinforced concrete foundations are not covered by these Clauses, and the
neighbour's written permission is needed in all cases.

Peter

Does his wall bear on those original foundations? If so, what happens
if those foundations are only suitable for a single story and the
second person wants to build higher?

I don't know about the legal aspects and what is allowed and who pays for
what. However, from a technical point of view, the original foundation would
need underpinning and extending to allow the extra weight.

Christian.

In article , Rockydell wrote:
As I understand it from a previous thread a week or so back, it is
permissable to build a garage extension right up to the boundary
between neighbouring properties and the foundations can actually
cross over.

Preferably not without the express agreement of the adjoining owner,
legalities notwithstanding (when you sell you have to declare whether
you have had disputes with neighbours)

Where extensions to semi-d's were concerned, in my BCO days we used to
suggest to people that they talk to their neighbour and get their
agreement (should be done by a solicitor, but exchange of letters at
least) to build the extension flank wall on the line of the party wall
(i.e straddling the boundary): first owner pays; in return for agreeing
the second user can use the wall if they subsequently decide to extend.
Both get an extra 100mm of internal space and no nasty gap. If you're
doing this with a flat roof, best to extend up as a parapet along the
boundary so owner 2 can do his stuff without disturbing your roof.

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