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You know that you are going to get arse ended.
Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front or do keep your foot off the brake and have two bumps but of less severity? -- Adam |
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You know that you are going to get arse ended. Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front or do keep your foot off the brake and have two bumps but of less severity? -- Adam Interesting question. I was going to say that letting your vehicle roll and be accelerated by the colliding vehicle would probably reduce damage, but I suspect only minimally. Perhaps more importantly is the acceleration you undergo inside the vehicle. I think keeping your foot planted on the brakes *might* reduce this, at the cost of more damage. In practice I'm not sure how much tyre friction on the road with locked wheel would alter impact forces. I guess someone must have done the research? Tim -- |
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On 26/07/2018 18:50, Tim+ wrote:
ARW Wrote in message: You know that you are going to get arse ended. Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front or do keep your foot off the brake and have two bumps but of less severity? -- Adam Interesting question. I was going to say that letting your vehicle roll and be accelerated by the colliding vehicle would probably reduce damage, but I suspect only minimally. Perhaps more importantly is the acceleration you undergo inside the vehicle. I think keeping your foot planted on the brakes *might* reduce this, at the cost of more damage. In practice I'm not sure how much tyre friction on the road with locked wheel would alter impact forces. I guess someone must have done the research? https://www.sae.org/publications/tec.../2010-01-0067/ -- -- Colin Bignell |
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"Nightjar" wrote in message ... On 26/07/2018 18:50, Tim+ wrote: ARW Wrote in message: You know that you are going to get arse ended. Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front or do keep your foot off the brake and have two bumps but of less severity? -- Adam Interesting question. I was going to say that letting your vehicle roll and be accelerated by the colliding vehicle would probably reduce damage, but I suspect only minimally. Perhaps more importantly is the acceleration you undergo inside the vehicle. I think keeping your foot planted on the brakes *might* reduce this, at the cost of more damage. In practice I'm not sure how much tyre friction on the road with locked wheel would alter impact forces. I guess someone must have done the research? https://www.sae.org/publications/tec.../2010-01-0067/ That didnt test deliberately not braking. |
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On 26/07/2018 19:02, Nightjar wrote:
https://www.sae.org/publications/tec.../2010-01-0067/ Odd statement from that link.. "Seat belt forces were lower for all occupants in the aware condition, indicating that their internal musculature altered their subsequent forward rebound motion." There is a better alternative theory for that.. when the brakes are on there is less forward acceleration of the van and hence less force on the passengers to create the rebound. |
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After serious thinking dennis@home wrote :
There is a better alternative theory for that.. when the brakes are on there is less forward acceleration of the van and hence less force on the passengers to create the rebound. You are correct, their conclusion is an odd one to arrive at.. |
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 21:58:53 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
On 26/07/2018 19:02, Nightjar wrote: https://www.sae.org/publications/tec.../2010-01-0067/ Odd statement from that link.. "Seat belt forces were lower for all occupants in the aware condition, indicating that their internal musculature altered their subsequent forward rebound motion." There is a better alternative theory for that.. when the brakes are on there is less forward acceleration of the van and hence less force on the passengers to create the rebound. Any statement on here involving physics/mechanics is immediately suspect. |
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Any statement on here involving physics/mechanics is immediately suspect. The more friction is involved (brakes and tyres) the less elastic the collision, therefore the less momentum is conserved ... |
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You know that you are going to get arse ended. Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front or do keep your foot off the brake and have two bumps but of less severity? What did you do? ;-) Tim -- |
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You know that you are going to get arse ended. Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front or do keep your foot off the brake and have two bumps but of less severity? Why do you need to ask? |
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On 26/07/2018 18:54, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
ARW wrote: You know that you are going to get arse ended. Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front or do keep your foot off the brake and have two bumps but of less severity? Why do you need to ask? Because today I decided to keep my foot on the brake so that I would not hit the car in front. I am just wondering if I would be a little less sore had I let my foot off the brake. -- Adam |
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On 26/07/2018 19:02, ARW wrote:
On 26/07/2018 18:54, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: ARW wrote: You know that you are going to get arse ended. Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front or do keep your foot off the brake and have two bumps but of less severity? Why do you need to ask? Because today I decided to keep my foot on the brake so that I would not hit the car in front. I am just wondering if I would be a little less sore had I let my foot off the brake. I'd say you'd be more sore, as your vehicle would have accelerated faster and then decellerated rapidly when it hit the vehicle in front. With the brakes on, you'll have accelerated slower and decellerated slower so less force acting on you. SteveW |
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On 26/07/2018 19:19, Steve Walker wrote:
On 26/07/2018 19:02, ARW wrote: On 26/07/2018 18:54, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: ARW wrote: You know that you are going to get arse ended. Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front or do keep your foot off the brake and have two bumps but of less severity? Why do you need to ask? Because today I decided to keep my foot on the brake so that I would not hit the car in front. I am just wondering if I would be a little less sore had I let my foot off the brake. I'd say you'd be more sore, as your vehicle would have accelerated faster and then decellerated rapidly when it hit the vehicle in front. With the brakes on, you'll have accelerated slower and decellerated slower so less force acting on you. Well I have no intention of going out and trying it again with my brakes off:-) -- Adam |
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On 26/07/2018 19:19, Steve Walker wrote:
On 26/07/2018 19:02, ARW wrote: On 26/07/2018 18:54, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: ARW wrote: You know that you are going to get arse ended. Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front or do keep your foot off the brake and have two bumps but of less severity? Why do you need to ask? Because today I decided to keep my foot on the brake so that I would not hit the car in front. I am just wondering if I would be a little less sore had I let my foot off the brake. I'd say you'd be more sore, as your vehicle would have accelerated faster and then decellerated rapidly when it hit the vehicle in front. With the brakes on, you'll have accelerated slower and decellerated slower so less force acting on you. SteveW That's what I would say too. Another tip if you know you are going to be shunted is to brace yourself pressing your back against the seat and head against the neck-rest which should reduce the risk of whiplash. It's the opposite of the aeroplane crash case where you want to get your head down and foreward. |
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On 26/07/2018 19:02, ARW wrote:
On 26/07/2018 18:54, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: ARW wrote: You know that you are going to get arse ended. Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front or do keep your foot off the brake and have two bumps but of less severity? Why do you need to ask? Because today I decided to keep my foot on the brake so that I would not hit the car in front. I am just wondering if I would be a little less sore had I let my foot off the brake. Foot on the brake is surely the right answer? Foot off and you're going to get an even more sore neck from the uncontrolled acceleration of your car. Foot on and the friction between the tyres and road is going to reduce it. Hope you're OK. -- F |
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Foot on the brake is surely the right answer? Foot off and you're going to get an even more sore neck from the uncontrolled acceleration of your car. Foot on and the friction between the tyres and road is going to reduce it. Plus, your brake lights will be on, giving the following vehicle a bit more warning. Many years ago, driving a Transit truck, the vehicles ahead came to a stop, so I stopped at the back with the handbrake (rear wheels) on no footbrake around 5 foot from a BT van. Steaming in the back came a brand new car with a low sloping front. It was obvious looking in my mirror, they driver wasn't paying much attention, maybe distracted by the new cars 'toys'. He seemed not to notice I had stopped until the last second, I heard the squeal of his brakes, then the back end of the truck lifted as he went under it. He pushed me into the BT van. He likely would not have been able to do that, had I not been lifted off the road and pushed that last few feet. I now always habitually keep the foot brake on, until at least one vehicle has stopped behind me. |
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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message news F explained : Foot on the brake is surely the right answer? Foot off and you're going to get an even more sore neck from the uncontrolled acceleration of your car. Foot on and the friction between the tyres and road is going to reduce it. Plus, your brake lights will be on, giving the following vehicle a bit more warning. Many years ago, driving a Transit truck, the vehicles ahead came to a stop, so I stopped at the back with the handbrake (rear wheels) on no footbrake around 5 foot from a BT van. Steaming in the back came a brand new car with a low sloping front. It was obvious looking in my mirror, they driver wasn't paying much attention, maybe distracted by the new cars 'toys'. He seemed not to notice I had stopped until the last second, I heard the squeal of his brakes, then the back end of the truck lifted as he went under it. He pushed me into the BT van. He likely would not have been able to do that, had I not been lifted off the road and pushed that last few feet. I now always habitually keep the foot brake on, until at least one vehicle has stopped behind me. Didn't work for me the only time I have been rear ended. I was stopped at a pedestrian crossing, with my foot on the foot brake. I could see the taxi coming up behind me had the driver gawking at some bimbo in a microskirt, this was in the 60s. Didn't do the VW Beetle any good at all. |
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"ARW" wrote in message ... On 26/07/2018 18:54, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: ARW wrote: You know that you are going to get arse ended. Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front or do keep your foot off the brake and have two bumps but of less severity? Why do you need to ask? Because today I decided to keep my foot on the brake so that I would not hit the car in front. I am just wondering if I would be a little less sore had I let my foot off the brake. Maybe. But more likely to have triggered your airbag when you ran into the car in front and that might even have killed you with all those Takata airbags still out there. Even if the airbag doesnt kill you, you can still be quite sore after it goes off, particularly given you wear glasses. |
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Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front Yes, so that there's no doubt it's all the idiot behind's fault. |
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On 26/07/2018 19:02, Andy Burns wrote:
ARW wrote: Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front Yes, so that there's no doubt it's all the idiot behind's fault. Note at the very end of the video what pulls up. Driver jumps out and give me a card with his details and says that was on my dashcam. I'll get it tommorow. But here is my dashcam footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjRy...ature=youtu.be -- Adam |
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On 26/07/2018 19:02, Andy Burns wrote:
ARW wrote: Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front Yes, so that there's no doubt it's all the idiot behind's fault. Note at the very end of the video what pulls up. Driver jumps out and give me a card with his details and says that was on my dashcam. I'll get it tommorow. That's nice of him, further proof that he was liable. It used to be the case that insurance companies warned you to never admit liability, even when it's obvious it was your fault, is that no longer the case? -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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"Graham." wrote in message ... On 26/07/2018 19:02, Andy Burns wrote: ARW wrote: Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front Yes, so that there's no doubt it's all the idiot behind's fault. Note at the very end of the video what pulls up. Driver jumps out and give me a card with his details and says that was on my dashcam. I'll get it tommorow. That's nice of him, further proof that he was liable. I read it that it was someone else not involved. It used to be the case that insurance companies warned you to never admit liability, even when it's obvious it was your fault, is that no longer the case? |
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"Graham." wrote in message .. . On 26/07/2018 19:02, Andy Burns wrote: ARW wrote: Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front Yes, so that there's no doubt it's all the idiot behind's fault. Note at the very end of the video what pulls up. Driver jumps out and give me a card with his details and says that was on my dashcam. I'll get it tommorow. That's nice of him, further proof that he was liable. I read it that it was someone else not involved. It used to be the case that insurance companies warned you to never admit liability, even when it's obvious it was your fault, is that no longer the case? Ah, an independent witness, that makes more sense. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On 26/07/2018 19:58, Graham. wrote:
On 26/07/2018 19:02, Andy Burns wrote: ARW wrote: Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front Yes, so that there's no doubt it's all the idiot behind's fault. Note at the very end of the video what pulls up. Driver jumps out and give me a card with his details and says that was on my dashcam. I'll get it tommorow. That's nice of him, further proof that he was liable. Gold dust or hens teeth? The ÂŁ50 dash cam really has been really good in this case. The dash cam records sound inside the van. Now I have a Bluetooth Buddy so I can make hands free calls and that uses a loudspeaker inside the van. Just checked the rest of my dash cam footage after the accident. About 15 minutes after the accident the other car driver called me and said "sorry it was my fault can we do it without using the insurance I'll pay for it all" So I have dash cam footage right from the accident up to and including his phone call. The time and date of his phone call is of course logged on my phone. -- Adam |
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On 27/07/2018 22:27, ARW wrote:
"sorry it was my fault can we do it without using the insurance I'll pay for it all" The damage to your van must have made a golf undriveable though, so why would he want to avoid an insurance claim ?. Something suspicious here. |
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"ARW" wrote in message ... On 26/07/2018 19:02, Andy Burns wrote: ARW wrote: Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front Yes, so that there's no doubt it's all the idiot behind's fault. Note at the very end of the video what pulls up. Driver jumps out and give me a card with his details and says that was on my dashcam. I'll get it tommorow. But here is my dashcam footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjRy...ature=youtu.be jeeze, you weren't even slowing down when he hit you he must have been a right idiot tim -- Adam |
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 19:35:07 +0100, ARW wrote:
Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front Didn't we have a discussion about this not that long ago? But here is my dashcam footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjRy...ature=youtu.be Ouch, he gave you quite a whack, the groan doesn't sound like a "oh WTF is the damage" but a "ow, that wasn't very comfortable". As has been mentioned if you are pushed into the one in front you get a double whammy, one when you're hit and one when you hit the one in front. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 26/07/2018 21:22, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 19:35:07 +0100, ARW wrote: Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front Didn't we have a discussion about this not that long ago? But here is my dashcam footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjRy...ature=youtu.be Ouch, he gave you quite a whack, the groan doesn't sound like a "oh WTF is the damage" but a "ow, that wasn't very comfortable". Right at the end when I got out of the van? It was a bit uncomfortable. -- Adam |
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 21:41:34 +0100, ARW wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjRy...ature=youtu.be Ouch, he gave you quite a whack, the groan doesn't sound like a "oh WTF is the damage" but a "ow, that wasn't very comfortable". Right at the end when I got out of the van? It was a bit uncomfortable. Well I don't know what you where doing, can only see straight ahead... The van had been stationary for a second or so and the white car in front was driving off, completely unaware of what was going on behind them. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 26/07/2018 21:41, ARW wrote:
On 26/07/2018 21:22, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 19:35:07 +0100, ARW wrote: Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front Didn't we have a discussion about this not that long ago? But here is my dashcam footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjRy...ature=youtu.be Ouch, he gave you quite a whack, the groan doesn't sound like a "oh WTF is the damage" but a "ow, that wasn't very comfortable". Right at the end when I got out of the van? It was a bit uncomfortable. Whiplash compo claim co's will pester you for years |
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"ARW" wrote in message ... On 26/07/2018 19:02, Andy Burns wrote: ARW wrote: Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front Yes, so that there's no doubt it's all the idiot behind's fault. Note at the very end of the video what pulls up. Driver jumps out and give me a card with his details and says that was on my dashcam. I'll get it tommorow. But here is my dashcam footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjRy...ature=youtu.be You'll never make youtube, you didnt even swear. |
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 19:35:07 +0100, ARW
wrote: On 26/07/2018 19:02, Andy Burns wrote: ARW wrote: Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front Yes, so that there's no doubt it's all the idiot behind's fault. Note at the very end of the video what pulls up. Driver jumps out and give me a card with his details and says that was on my dashcam. I'll get it tommorow. (I don't think I've seen mention ... ) So that wasn't the vehicle that hit you? (Looked like a recovery truck?) Getting his own business? ;-) But here is my dashcam footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjRy...ature=youtu.be It could be the perspective of the dash cam but it looks like you were sitting quite a bit short of the vehicle in front and it was moving away but you hadn't (nothing wrong with that of course) but what was the size (height) of the vehicle that hit you? eg. If it was something that could see over your van (a bigger van or truck), could it be that they actually accelerated into you (rather than failed to brake), assuming you would pull away with the other vehicle(s)? Or didn't brake as much for the same reason? Cheers, T i m |
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On 27/07/2018 18:22, T i m wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 19:35:07 +0100, ARW wrote: On 26/07/2018 19:02, Andy Burns wrote: ARW wrote: Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front Yes, so that there's no doubt it's all the idiot behind's fault. Note at the very end of the video what pulls up. Driver jumps out and give me a card with his details and says that was on my dashcam. I'll get it tommorow. (I don't think I've seen mention ... ) So that wasn't the vehicle that hit you? (Looked like a recovery truck?) Getting his own business? ;-) But here is my dashcam footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjRy...ature=youtu.be It could be the perspective of the dash cam but it looks like you were sitting quite a bit short of the vehicle in front and it was moving away but you hadn't (nothing wrong with that of course) but what was the size (height) of the vehicle that hit you? eg. If it was something that could see over your van (a bigger van or truck), could it be that they actually accelerated into you (rather than failed to brake), assuming you would pull away with the other vehicle(s)? Or didn't brake as much for the same reason? Traffic came to a quickish slow down from about 40 MPH to walking speed. It was a Golf that hit me. -- Adam |
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 19:28:20 +0100, ARW
wrote: snip eg. If it was something that could see over your van (a bigger van or truck), could it be that they actually accelerated into you (rather than failed to brake), assuming you would pull away with the other vehicle(s)? Or didn't brake as much for the same reason? Traffic came to a quickish slow down from about 40 MPH to walking speed. Ok. It was a Golf that hit me. Ah. Just wondered ... (thanks). Cheers, T i m |
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"Andy Burns" wrote in message ... ARW wrote: Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front Yes, so that there's no doubt it's all the idiot behind's fault. But if the idiot behind isnt insured and has no assets that you can **** him over for to repair you own car and you arent insured yourself, it would be better to minimise the damage that you need to fix. Tho I spose you can make a case that just damage at the back of your car will be cheaper to fix than damage at both ends of your car. |
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You know that you are going to get arse ended.
Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front or do keep your foot off the brake and have two bumps but of less severity? So how far were you from the car in front, and what was your speed? -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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You know that you are going to get arse ended.
Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front or do keep your foot off the brake and have two bumps but of less severity? So how far were you from the car in front, and what was your speed? I withdraw the question after seeing your video! -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:50:25 PM UTC+1, Graham. wrote:
You know that you are going to get arse ended. Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front or do keep your foot off the brake and have two bumps but of less severity? So how far were you from the car in front, and what was your speed? I withdraw the question after seeing your video! -- Graham. %Profound_observation% He was too busy checking your ladders were properly secured to the roof. Multitasking failure. |
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You know that you are going to get arse ended. Do you keep your foot on the brakes so that you don't get pushed into the car in front or do keep your foot off the brake and have two bumps but of less severity? Depends on whether you have the car comprehensively insured or not and if you wouldnt mind if the car was written off with the rear ender paying for you new car. If you are fully insured, best to not have your foot on the brake so you can claim for whiplash injury as well as getting a new car. If you have no insurance, safer to not have your foot on the brake to minimise the damage that you might have to pay for yourself if the rear ender also isnt insured and just makes an obscene gesture in your general direction when you send in the bailiff |
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 06:16:56 +1000, cantankerous senile geezer Rot Speed
blabbered, again: Depends on whether you have the car comprehensively insured or not and if you wouldnąt mind if the car was written off with the rear ender paying for you new car. If you are fully insured, best to not have your foot on the brake so you can claim for whiplash injury as well as getting a new car. If you have no insurance, safer to not have your foot on the brake to minimise the damage that you might have to pay for yourself if the rear ender also isnt insured and just makes an obscene gesture in your general direction when you send in the bailiff SIX idiotic posts by you in this thread. Not ONE reply! I LIKE that! LOL -- Sqwertz to Rot Speed: "This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative asshole. MID: |
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