Search for freezer alarm; nowt
Search for fridge alarm: several products intended for freezer use.

I'd given up so I had a look on Amazon. But then thought to try 'fridge'
on CPC. Ended up buying three from CPC for less than two would have cost
from Amazon.

Oh and I've bought two 17Ah gel batteries for Medium Bug because no-one
seems to have stock of the SLA ones except Farnell and they want twenty
quid over the odds. I'm hoping the gel ones will be OK.

Medium Bug by the way is a Pride Go Go Elite Traveller scooter. The
batteries supplied were clearly not the best available, and they have
dropped from a theoretical 17Ah/15Ah to 9Ah/5Ah in a year of light use.
The other issue was the fact that the machine would stop on slight hills
due to the thermal cut-out operating. It was rated at 15A. I've replaced
it with a 20A one. I complained to Pride about the poor performance on
hills and they just ****ed me off.

On 16/07/18 04:33, Bill Wright wrote:
Search for freezer alarm; nowt
Search for fridge alarm: several products intended for freezer use.

I'd given up so I had a look on Amazon. But then thought to try 'fridge'
on CPC. Ended up buying three from CPC for less than two would have cost
from Amazon.

Oh and I've bought two 17Ah gel batteries for Medium Bug because no-one
seems to have stock of the SLA ones except Farnell and they want twenty
quid over the odds. I'm hoping the gel ones will be OK.

Medium Bug by the way is a Pride Go Go Elite Traveller scooter. The
batteries supplied were clearly not the best available, and they have
dropped from a theoretical 17Ah/15Ah to 9Ah/5Ah in a year of light use.

Bad mileage from one of those yoda thinks that a light year is not.

The other issue was the fact that the machine would stop on slight hills
due to the thermal cut-out operating. It was rated at 15A. I've replaced
it with a 20A one. I complained to Pride about the poor performance on
hills and they just ****ed me off.

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
news
Search for freezer alarm; nowt
Search for fridge alarm: several products intended for freezer use.

I'd given up so I had a look on Amazon. But then thought to try
'fridge' on CPC. Ended up buying three from CPC for less than two
would have cost from Amazon.

[snip]

You're not the only one that finds the CPC search engine a problem (he
said being polite.) It seems that it cannot do partial or contextual
searches and will only look exactly for what is entered. If your
perception of what an item is does not agree with what they have
decided to call it then the search will fail - usually giving you a
list of totally unrelated items.

Makes you wonder how much trade they are loosing as a result of
something that could be easily fixed? Mind you, the Farnell site is
not much better!



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Bill Wright submitted this idea :
Search for freezer alarm; nowt
Search for fridge alarm: several products intended for freezer use.

Instead of the site's search engine, try Google's 'search this site'
engine.

On 16/07/2018 04:33, Bill Wright wrote:

Oh and I've bought two 17Ah gel batteries for Medium Bug because no-one
seems to have stock of the SLA ones except Farnell and they want twenty
quid over the odds. I'm hoping the gel ones will be OK.

Medium Bug by the way is a Pride Go Go Elite Traveller scooter. The
batteries supplied were clearly not the best available, and they have
dropped from a theoretical 17Ah/15Ah to 9Ah/5Ah in a year of light use.
The other issue was the fact that the machine would stop on slight hills
due to the thermal cut-out operating. It was rated at 15A. I've replaced
it with a 20A one. I complained to Pride about the poor performance on
hills and they just ****ed me off.

You have done a good job of putting us off buying a Pride scooter, but
if that is their customer care standard they deserve it.

It is probably too late because you have already bought, but you don't
have to stick with 17Ah. What is important is the physical dimensions
and the connectors. If you can find those in a 20Ah or 22Ah size you
get a bit more reserve in something that will still fit and work. The
charger will cope, it will just charge for a bit longer to get to full
charge.

It is a different application entirely, but when I bought a UPS with a
dud battery from a charity shop two years ago, I replaced the dud with a
Yuasa one (www.yuasa.co.uk) and it seems to be a make with a good
reputation. How it compares on price, I don't know. Their website is
worth a look if you ever need another though.

Jim

Obviously you have the wrong kind of hills then. How dare you!
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"Bill Wright" wrote in message
news
Search for freezer alarm; nowt
Search for fridge alarm: several products intended for freezer use.

I'd given up so I had a look on Amazon. But then thought to try 'fridge'
on CPC. Ended up buying three from CPC for less than two would have cost
from Amazon.

Oh and I've bought two 17Ah gel batteries for Medium Bug because no-one
seems to have stock of the SLA ones except Farnell and they want twenty
quid over the odds. I'm hoping the gel ones will be OK.

Medium Bug by the way is a Pride Go Go Elite Traveller scooter. The
batteries supplied were clearly not the best available, and they have
dropped from a theoretical 17Ah/15Ah to 9Ah/5Ah in a year of light use.
The other issue was the fact that the machine would stop on slight hills
due to the thermal cut-out operating. It was rated at 15A. I've replaced
it with a 20A one. I complained to Pride about the poor performance on
hills and they just ****ed me off.

Jethro_uk wrote

IME (or IMHO) all search engines are ****e,

Google isn't. I'm amazed at how often the hit I want
is on the first page and often the first hit now.

and getting ****er.

Google isn't. I'm amazed at how often the hit I want
is on the first page and often the first hit now.

And until they are un****e, all this talk
of "AI" is just that: a load of old ********.

Nope.

From a plain google search (that is a google search that Google
*hasn't* "interpreted" for you - look carefully) through to Amazons
"filters", it's getting harder and harder to sort the wheat from the
chaff.

Not with google.

The main problem is not being able to
understand (or implement) exclusion terms

Bull****.

- so when you try and remove certain results
the moronic thing actually includes them.

Bull****.

And then keyword matching in general - so looking for (say) an
"iPhone case" will return the millions of results with "iPhone" in them.

But the early hits are for an iphone case with google.

Then there's the filters. Generally, I'm interested
in a feature or a property of the *item*. I care not
which vendor it's from, what colour it is, etc etc.

There are no filters with google.

In uk.d-i-y Bill Wright wrote:
Search for freezer alarm; nowt
Search for fridge alarm: several products intended for freezer use.

I'd given up so I had a look on Amazon. But then thought to try 'fridge'
on CPC. Ended up buying three from CPC for less than two would have cost
from Amazon.

My general approach with CPC/Farnell/Onecall is to put in a vague search term.
Once the results come up, look at what categories they're in.
Then go to the category direct, without the search term present, and skim
through the results (usually sorted by price, giving up when I get to 'too
expensive').

I find the parametric search is a lot better than just textual search. If I
want a USB A to USB C cable, I can use parametric search to refine the list
in the cables section to those with USB A on one end and USB C on the other.
(This is not just due to not trusting the search algorithm, but it also
filters out other legitimate things with those terms in that I don't want -
hubs, adaptors, etc)

OTOH I find Amazon utterly useless because they persist in showing me items
that don't contain the search term I asked for. If I search for '32gb usb',
don't show me 16GB ones. The 'most relevant' results - those which pay
Amazon the most - are usually OK, but it falls apart when you sort by price.

Theo

On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 11:35:14 +0100, Theo wrote:

I find the parametric search is a lot better than just textual search.
If I want a USB A to USB C cable, I can use parametric search to refine
the list in the cables section to those with USB A on one end and USB C
on the other. (This is not just due to not trusting the search
algorithm, but it also filters out other legitimate things with those
terms in that I don't want - hubs, adaptors, etc)

The probklem I find with the parametric search is that some items don't
have the parameters in the database. So, by saying I want (say) a USB C
cable, I eliminate some perfectly good USB C cables where no one bothered
to add USB C to the parameters (that's probably a bad example, but you
get the idea).

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On Monday, 16 July 2018 11:35:18 UTC+1, Theo wrote:
OTOH I find Amazon utterly useless because they persist in showing me items
that don't contain the search term I asked for. If I search for '32gb usb',
don't show me 16GB ones.

But those are the 16GB ones labelled 16GB, not the 16GB ones labelled 32GB, so they are what you'd get anyway :-)

Owain

On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 20:14:12 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again:



There are no filters with google.

Google sucks and is as much of a pesky obnoxious asshole as you are, Rot! No
wonder you like that ****!

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"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
news
IME (or IMHO) all search engines are ****e, and getting ****er. And
until
they are un****e, all this talk of "AI" is just that: a load of old
********.

From a plain google search (that is a google search that Google
*hasn't*
"interpreted" for you - look carefully) through to Amazons
"filters",
it's getting harder and harder to sort the wheat from the chaff.

The main problem is not being able to understand (or implement)
exclusion
terms - so when you try and remove certain results the moronic thing
actually includes them. And then keyword matching in general - so
looking
for (say) an "iPhone case" will return the millions of results with
"iPhone" in them.

Then there's the filters. Generally, I'm interested in a feature or
a
property of the *item*. I care not which vendor it's from, what
colour it
is, etc etc.


The thing that annoys me about Amazonia is that you might find the
same thing several times under very slightly different names and
wildly variant prices even from the same supplier.

If you want iPhone case put it inside full quotes - it should then
only search for that full phrase. It has been standard search engine
practice for decades - but I suppose Amazon is probably the odd one
out - still!


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harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com

On 16/07/18 13:10, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 12:49:03 +0100, Woody wrote:

If you want iPhone case put it inside full quotes - it should then only
search for that full phrase. It has been standard search engine practice
for decades - but I suppose Amazon is probably the odd one out - still!

If Google can't find what you *wanted*, it sneakily removes the quotes
(that *you* put there) and serves up a list o'****e.

Wilkos search function is similarly dishonest in that if it can't find
what you typed, it sneakily changes what you typed to something it *does*
have, and shows you that.

But I have been pointing out for years that Google is getting more and
more broken by the month. An inevitable fact when the rate of data being
added grows exponentially with no way of archiving the old stuff.

Keyword matching was pretty "**** me !!!!" when it first appeared with
Google, Yahoo, Magellan, Alta Vista et al. But as the mass of data grows,
it becomes painfully apparent that it's in no way intelligent.

AI still can't understand language. And most of the time it can't even do
a good impression.


You have made the mistake of believing that the service is there to
benefit you.

On 16/07/2018 09:01, Indy Jess John wrote:

Medium Bug by the way is a Pride Go Go Elite Traveller scooter. The
batteries supplied were clearly not the best available, and they have
dropped from a theoretical 17Ah/15Ah to 9Ah/5Ah in a year of light use.
The other issue was the fact that the machine would stop on slight hills
due to the thermal cut-out operating. It was rated at 15A. I've replaced
it with a 20A one. I complained to Pride about the poor performance on
hills and they just ****ed me off.

You have done a good job of putting us off buying a Pride scooter, but
if that is their customer care standard they deserve it.

We have two other Pride scooters and they are both very good. The Go Go
Elite Traveller appears to be built to a price. It sells for about £650,
about half the cost of Pride's Go Chair, which is comparable in terms of
size.


It is probably too late because you have already bought, but you don't
have to stick with 17Ah.Â* What is important is the physical dimensions
and the connectors.Â* If you can find those in a 20Ah or 22Ah size you
get a bit more reserve in something that will still fit and work.Â* The
charger will cope, it will just charge for a bit longer to get to full
charge.

Can't find anything above 17/18A that will fit. In fact a good 17A pair
is fine for the application: plenty of range.

Bill

On 16/07/2018 09:32, Brian Gaff wrote:
Obviously you have the wrong kind of hills then. How dare you!
Brian

That was pretty much what they said.

Bill

Jethro_uk wrote
Woody wrote

If you want iPhone case put it inside full quotes - it should then only
search for that full phrase. It has been standard search engine practice
for decades - but I suppose Amazon is probably the odd one out - still!

If Google can't find what you *wanted*, it sneakily removes
the quotes (that *you* put there) and serves up a list o'****e.

Nothing sneaky about it, its doing what you would do if the fully
quoted string gets no hits and would show plenty of iphone cases
in that example.

Wilkos search function is similarly dishonest in that if it
can't find what you typed, it sneakily changes what you
typed to something it *does* have, and shows you that.

Which is also the correct approach given that
you may well have ****ed up the spelling etc.

But I have been pointing out for years that Google
is getting more and more broken by the month.

You have always got that just plain wrong.

An inevitable fact when the rate of data being added grows
exponentially with no way of archiving the old stuff.

Even sillier than you usually manage, and thats saying something.

Keyword matching was pretty "**** me !!!!" when it first appeared
with Google, Yahoo, Magellan, Alta Vista et al. But as the mass of data
grows, it becomes painfully apparent that it's in no way intelligent.

Have fun explaining why most of the searches I do end up with
the hit I want on the first page and often the first hit too.

The only real exception is when there is no unique keyword to use.

When I recently checked for the name of the US roman catholic
priest who had gotten away with murdering a young woman
for almost half a century because of the cover up by the roman
catholic church, I got it on the first page with the keywords
roman catholic priest murderer usa and just had quite a
few hits which were murdered roman catholic priests as well.

AI still can't understand language. And most of
the time it can't even do a good impression.

On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 04:16:12 +1000, cantankerous geezer Rot Speed blabbered,
again:

FLUSH the senile idiot's drivel

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On 16 Jul 2018 11:08:20 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

The probklem I find with the parametric search is that some items don't
have the parameters in the database. So, by saying I want (say) a USB C
cable, I eliminate some perfectly good USB C cables where no one
bothered to add USB C to the parameters (that's probably a bad example,
but you get the idea).

I don't like of cable ends. "End 1 - USB A" "End 2 - USB C", won't
find cables entered as "End 1 - USB C" "End 2 - USB A"...

It works reasonably weel otherwise, provided the parameter you want
to filter on is available. Normally is on PCP/Farnell/RS etc but not
"retail" sites that seem to choose useless parameters.
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Cheers
Dave.

On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:01:21 +0100, Indy Jess John wrote:

It is probably too late because you have already bought, but you don't
have to stick with 17Ah. What is important is the physical dimensions
and the connectors.

The physical size and capacity of SLAs are pretty much tied together.
You might be able to get +/- 1 at a push 2 Ahr difference in capacity
in the nominal "17 AHr" sized battery but that's all.


I replaced the dud with a Yuasa one (www.yuasa.co.uk) and it seems to be
a make with a good reputation. How it compares on price, I don't know.
Their website is worth a look if you ever need another though.

Yuasa do have a good reputation but I've also been happy with
Camdenboss.

Value Power Systems have always had the best price for 7 AHr SLAs
when I've needed them (last time was Mar 2014) www.vps-ups.co,uk.

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Dave.

On 17/07/2018 22:59, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:01:21 +0100, Indy Jess John wrote:

It is probably too late because you have already bought, but you don't
have to stick with 17Ah. What is important is the physical dimensions
and the connectors.

The physical size and capacity of SLAs are pretty much tied together.
You might be able to get +/- 1 at a push 2 Ahr difference in capacity
in the nominal "17 AHr" sized battery but that's all.


I replaced the dud with a Yuasa one (www.yuasa.co.uk) and it seems to be
a make with a good reputation. How it compares on price, I don't know.
Their website is worth a look if you ever need another though.

Yuasa do have a good reputation but I've also been happy with
Camdenboss.

Value Power Systems have always had the best price for 7 AHr SLAs
when I've needed them (last time was Mar 2014) www.vps-ups.co,uk.

I ordered two Camdenboss gel BT02862 17Ah. They sent one as ordered and
a Camdenboss 12V 18Ah AGM battery. This battery is type BES120180, and
it says on it, €˜VRLA Lead Acid AGM Battery but in the CPC catalogue
BES120180 refers to a gel battery €˜specifically designed for storing
power generated by solar panels.

Bill

On 18/07/2018 06:14, Bill Wright wrote:

I ordered two Camdenboss gel BT02862 17Ah. They sent one as ordered and
a Camdenboss 12V 18Ah AGM battery. This battery is type BES120180, and
it says on it, €˜VRLA Lead Acid AGM Battery but in the CPC catalogue
BES120180 refers to a gel battery €˜specifically designed for storing
power generated by solar panels.

I have seen this type of error before. It normally indicates incorrect
stowage.

Your order would have bee sent to the warehouse as "two from bay XYZ"
and that is what you got. Unfortunately someone had put a wrong one in
the bay. They should change it for you.

Jim

On 18/07/2018 08:18, Indy Jess John wrote:
On 18/07/2018 06:14, Bill Wright wrote:

I ordered two Camdenboss gel BT02862 17Ah. They sent one as ordered and
a Camdenboss 12V 18Ah AGM battery. This battery is type BES120180, and
it says on it, €˜VRLA Lead Acid AGM Battery but in the CPC catalogue
BES120180 refers to a gel battery €˜specifically designed for storing
power generated by solar panels.

I have seen this type of error before.Â* It normally indicates incorrect
stowage.

Your order would have bee sent to the warehouse as "two from bay XYZ"
and that is what you got.Â* Unfortunately someone had put a wrong one in
the bay.Â* They should change it for you.

Jim
When I rang them I suggested that this might have happened and asked
that someone checks the actual replacement item before dispatch. We'll
see what arrives and when.

Bill