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You are a 4th year apprentice working in a school.
Having earlier in the day fallen through a classroom ceiling it is time for you to enter the loft again. Do you a) Get up there and this time take a little more care where you are standing? b) Refuse to go up because might fall through the ceiling again? or c) Get up there, take no extra care at all and fall through a different classroom ceiling? I am afraid there is no prize. -- Adam |
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On 30/05/18 18:30, ARW wrote:
You are a 4th year apprentice working in a school. Having earlier in the day fallen through a classroom ceiling it is time for you to enter the loft again. Do you a) Get up there and this time take a little more care where you are standing? b) Refuse to go up because might fall through the ceiling again? or c) Get up there, take no extra care at all and fall through a different classroom ceiling? I am afraid there is no prize. It's (c) - and I bet he was on his phone! I can top that though... We had a 4th year middle school kid fall through our ceiling (I was in the 3rd year IIRC) - this so this is Y5-6 in modern parlance. Surrey County Council had sent the insulation installers to put blown fibre[1] in the roof spaces of our main building (4th year block was flat roofed and the 2 portacabins don't have a lot of options either) All we were warned was not to touch the big pipe as it had a charge on it (not sure if that was from static from blowing the fibres or if it was deliberate to make them stick rather than filling the air. Bearing in mind this is a normal school day... And our classrooms must have had getting on for 3m high ceilings. So on the upper floor where we were, there's this ladder into the loft space, with a 4" flexi pipe coming in through the window, snaking over the floor and corridor and up into the roof. From time to time the workers would bugger off leaving it like that. Our teacher said he had to go off to do something and to get on with work. Few minutes after he's gone, there's a massive crash as the arse of some kid (the 4th year I guess as he was bigger than us) landed on the big ledge in front of the blackboard and bounced off onto the floor with the rest of him, having just fallen through a ceiling tile. Luckily for him, he missed the pile of drawing pins that are usually lying around on the ledge. Some girl asked if he was alright and he said yes, as he limped off - he'd obviously got curious and gone up the latter to have a look. Teacher comes back - looks are mess and ceiling and we tell him what happened. Did he: 1) Say "Oh god, we have to find him and make sure he goes to hospital for a checkup"; 2) Bollock the workers for leaving an unguarded ladder; 3) Say: "Well, he shouldn't have been up there!" and carry on like nothing had happened? Bonus point for guessing the total number of modern day safety violations... [1] This was the 70s, so **** knows if the "fibres" has asbestos in for extra fun... |
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Brian Gaff wrote
Well, actually something similar happened in the 1960s at my school, and the boy was sent to hospital on a buss, the mess was cleaned and life went on. More likely on a bus. "Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On 30/05/18 18:30, ARW wrote: You are a 4th year apprentice working in a school. Having earlier in the day fallen through a classroom ceiling it is time for you to enter the loft again. Do you a) Get up there and this time take a little more care where you are standing? b) Refuse to go up because might fall through the ceiling again? or c) Get up there, take no extra care at all and fall through a different classroom ceiling? I am afraid there is no prize. It's (c) - and I bet he was on his phone! I can top that though... We had a 4th year middle school kid fall through our ceiling (I was in the 3rd year IIRC) - this so this is Y5-6 in modern parlance. Surrey County Council had sent the insulation installers to put blown fibre[1] in the roof spaces of our main building (4th year block was flat roofed and the 2 portacabins don't have a lot of options either) All we were warned was not to touch the big pipe as it had a charge on it (not sure if that was from static from blowing the fibres or if it was deliberate to make them stick rather than filling the air. Bearing in mind this is a normal school day... And our classrooms must have had getting on for 3m high ceilings. So on the upper floor where we were, there's this ladder into the loft space, with a 4" flexi pipe coming in through the window, snaking over the floor and corridor and up into the roof. From time to time the workers would bugger off leaving it like that. Our teacher said he had to go off to do something and to get on with work. Few minutes after he's gone, there's a massive crash as the arse of some kid (the 4th year I guess as he was bigger than us) landed on the big ledge in front of the blackboard and bounced off onto the floor with the rest of him, having just fallen through a ceiling tile. Luckily for him, he missed the pile of drawing pins that are usually lying around on the ledge. Some girl asked if he was alright and he said yes, as he limped off - he'd obviously got curious and gone up the latter to have a look. Teacher comes back - looks are mess and ceiling and we tell him what happened. Did he: 1) Say "Oh god, we have to find him and make sure he goes to hospital for a checkup"; 2) Bollock the workers for leaving an unguarded ladder; 3) Say: "Well, he shouldn't have been up there!" and carry on like nothing had happened? Bonus point for guessing the total number of modern day safety violations... [1] This was the 70s, so **** knows if the "fibres" has asbestos in for extra fun... |
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On 31/05/2018 09:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
Well, actually something similar happened in the 1960s at my school, and the boy was sent to hospital on a buss, the mess was cleaned and life went on. Brian buss bÊŒs/ North Americanarchaicinformal noun noun: buss; plural noun: busses 1. a kiss. verb: buss; 3rd person present: busses; past tense: bussed; past participle: bussed; gerund or present participle: bussing 1. kiss. "he bussed her on the cheek" Was the boy dispatched with a Glaswegian kiss ?. |
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On Thu, 31 May 2018 11:44:11 +0100, Andrew wrote:
On 31/05/2018 09:05, Brian Gaff wrote: Well, actually something similar happened in the 1960s at my school, and the boy was sent to hospital on a buss, the mess was cleaned and life went on. Brian buss bÊŒs/ North Americanarchaicinformal noun noun: buss; plural noun: busses 1. a kiss. verb: buss; 3rd person present: busses; past tense: bussed; past participle: bussed; gerund or present participle: bussing 1. kiss. "he bussed her on the cheek" Was the boy dispatched with a Glaswegian kiss ?. We've come to expect these odd spellings from Brian's speech 2 text application. It's nothing to get worked up about. We know what he means (mostly). :-) -- Johnny B Good |
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On 30/05/2018 18:46, Tim Watts wrote:
On 30/05/18 18:30, ARW wrote: You are a 4th year apprentice working in a school. Having earlier in the day fallen through a classroom ceiling it is time for you to enter the loft again. Do you a) Get up there and this time take a little more care where you are standing? b) Refuse to go up because might fall through the ceiling again? or c) Get up there, take no extra care at all and fall through a different classroom ceiling? I am afraid there is no prize. It's (c) - and I bet he was on his phone! I can top that though... We had a 4th year middle school kid fall through our ceiling (I was in the 3rd year IIRC) - this so this is Y5-6 in modern parlance. Surrey County Council had sent the insulation installers to put blown fibre[1] in the roof spaces of our main building (4th year block was flat roofed and the 2 portacabins don't have a lot of options either) All we were warned was not to touch the big pipe as it had a charge on it (not sure if that was from static from blowing the fibres or if it was deliberate to make them stick rather than filling the air. Bearing in mind this is a normal school day... And our classrooms must have had getting on for 3m high ceilings. So on the upper floor where we were, there's this ladder into the loft space, with a 4" flexi pipe coming in through the window, snaking over the floor and corridor and up into the roof. From time to time the workers would bugger off leaving it like that. Our teacher said he had to go off to do something and to get on with work. Few minutes after he's gone, there's a massive crash as the arse of some kid (the 4th year I guess as he was bigger than us) landed on the big ledge in front of the blackboard and bounced off onto the floor with the rest of him, having just fallen through a ceiling tile. Luckily for him, he missed the pile of drawing pins that are usually lying around on the ledge. Some girl asked if he was alright and he said yes, as he limped off - he'd obviously got curious and gone up the latter to have a look. Teacher comes back - looks are mess and ceiling and we tell him what happened. Did he: 1) Say "Oh god, we have to find him and make sure he goes to hospital for a checkup"; 2) Bollock the workers for leaving an unguarded ladder; 3) Say: "Well, he shouldn't have been up there!" and carry on like nothing had happened? Bonus point for guessing the total number of modern day safety violations... [1] This was the 70s, so **** knows if the "fibres" has asbestos in for extra fun... Answer is 3. Modern day H&S violations? The lad was not wearing a hi viz vest AICMFP. I could probably find at least another 30 regs that are now broken. Let's start with the fact that your teacher had just nipped into the staff room for a cigarette. -- Adam |
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ARW wrote:
Let's start with the fact that your teacher had just nipped into the staff room for a cigarette. Our woodwork teacher couldn't be bothered to walk that far, he had a crafty smoke in his woodstore mid-lesson. |
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On 31/05/18 20:50, Andy Burns wrote:
ARW wrote: Let's start with the fact that your teacher had just nipped into the staff room for a cigarette. Our woodwork teacher couldn't be bothered to walk that far, he had a crafty smoke in his woodstore mid-lesson. In the same period as my story, our head just smoked in his office. It was like a 1950s smog when I had to go in (he was still smoking, the ashtray looked like Mt ******* Versuvius). And I came from a 40-60 a day household... |
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On 31/05/18 20:35, ARW wrote:
On 30/05/2018 18:46, Tim Watts wrote: Did he: 1) Say "Oh god, we have to find him and make sure he goes to hospital for a checkup"; 2) Bollock the workers for leaving an unguarded ladder; 3) Say: "Well, he shouldn't have been up there!" and carry on like nothing had happened? Bonus point for guessing the total number of modern day safety violations... [1] This was the 70s, so **** knows if the "fibres" has asbestos in for extra fun... Answer is 3. How did you guess :-o Modern day H&S violations? The lad was not wearing a hi viz vest AICMFP. Hehe... I could probably find at least another 30 regs that are now broken. Let's start with the fact that your teacher had just nipped into the staff room for a cigarette. It's possible. Some of use "caught" him and a few others down the Victoria pub at lunchtime (for some reason we were allowed out on an errand in town or something). Those must have been the days: horrible little oiks, but at least you could chuck a couple of swift ones back at lunchtime to soften the pain... I still can ![]() |
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On 31/05/2018 22:32, Tim Watts wrote:
On 31/05/18 20:35, ARW wrote: On 30/05/2018 18:46, Tim Watts wrote: Did he: 1) Say "Oh god, we have to find him and make sure he goes to hospital for a checkup"; 2) Bollock the workers for leaving an unguarded ladder; 3) Say: "Well, he shouldn't have been up there!" and carry on like nothing had happened? Bonus point for guessing the total number of modern day safety violations... [1] This was the 70s, so **** knows if the "fibres" has asbestos in for extra fun... Answer is 3. How did you guess :-o Modern day H&S violations? The lad was not wearing a hi viz vest AICMFP. Hehe... I could probably find at least another 30 regs that are now broken. Let's start with the fact that your teacher had just nipped into the staff room for a cigarette. It's possible. Some of use "caught" him and a few others down the Victoria pub at lunchtime (for some reason we were allowed out on an errand in town or something). Those must have been the days: horrible little oiks, but at least you could chuck a couple of swift ones back at lunchtime to soften the pain... I still can ![]() Other violations that were not in use back in the 70's No risk and method statement No hard hat (as worn today by the architect visiting the site and no one else) No PAT test stickers on the electrical appliances (I always carry spare stickers just in case another tradesman gets caught out - they only need a date writing on them and sticking onto the plug) 240V tools not 110V (actually both are allowed but tell that to a jobsworth) No DBS checks No cordoning off off the danger zones Working in a ceiling area with live circuits (all circuits must be turned off) Wearing flared jeans -- Adam |
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On 01/06/18 23:00, ARW wrote:
Wearing flared jeans :- |
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On Friday, 1 June 2018 23:00:51 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
Other violations that were not in use back in the 70's No hard hat Wearing flared jeans Flared jeans + hard hat would be very Village People ... Owain |
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On 01/06/2018 23:00, ARW wrote:
Other violations that were not in use back in the 70's No risk and method statement No hard hat (as worn today by the architect visiting the site and no one else) No PAT test stickers on the electrical appliances (I always carry spare stickers just in case another tradesman gets caught out - they only need a date writing on them and sticking onto the plug) 240V tools not 110V (actually both are allowed but tell that to a jobsworth) No DBS checks No cordoning off off the danger zones Working in a ceiling area with live circuits (all circuits must be turned off) Wearing flared jeans Long hair ?. Very common with flared jeans. |
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Huge wrote: Not sure if you're serious because they are a snagging hazard or for fashion reasons, but I not they appear to be coming back yet again. I even saw some embroidered ones the other day. They can indeed be a safety hazard in some work environments. Same as any flapping around clothing. Like say a tie when using a lathe. -- *Too many clicks spoil the browse * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 02/06/2018 10:53, Huge wrote:
On 2018-06-01, ARW wrote: [49 lines snipped] Other violations that were not in use back in the 70's . . . . Wearing flared jeans Not sure if you're serious because they are a snagging hazard or for fashion reasons, but I not they appear to be coming back yet again. I even saw some embroidered ones the other day. Back for the second time? ****, I feel old. |
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On Thursday, 31 May 2018 20:35:08 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
On 30/05/2018 18:46, Tim Watts wrote: On 30/05/18 18:30, ARW wrote: You are a 4th year apprentice working in a school. Having earlier in the day fallen through a classroom ceiling it is time for you to enter the loft again. Do you a) Get up there and this time take a little more care where you are standing? b) Refuse to go up because might fall through the ceiling again? or c) Get up there, take no extra care at all and fall through a different classroom ceiling? I am afraid there is no prize. Answer is 3. My New Year Resolutions :- 2) Stop making lists 7) learn to count d) be more consistent |
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![]() "ARW" wrote in message ... You are a 4th year apprentice working in a school. Having earlier in the day fallen through a classroom ceiling it is time for you to enter the loft again. Do you a) Get up there and this time take a little more care where you are standing? b) Refuse to go up because might fall through the ceiling again? or c) Get up there, take no extra care at all and fall through a different classroom ceiling? I am afraid there is no prize. well I would be (b) tim |
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I think all people need to have a personal copy of Right said Fred by
Bernard Cribbens as part of their induction course when working in unfamiliar surroundings. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "tim..." wrote in message news ![]() "ARW" wrote in message ... You are a 4th year apprentice working in a school. Having earlier in the day fallen through a classroom ceiling it is time for you to enter the loft again. Do you a) Get up there and this time take a little more care where you are standing? b) Refuse to go up because might fall through the ceiling again? or c) Get up there, take no extra care at all and fall through a different classroom ceiling? I am afraid there is no prize. well I would be (b) tim |
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ARW wrote: You are a 4th year apprentice working in a school. Having earlier in the day fallen through a classroom ceiling it is time for you to enter the loft again. Do you a) Get up there and this time take a little more care where you are standing? b) Refuse to go up because might fall through the ceiling again? or c) Get up there, take no extra care at all and fall through a different classroom ceiling? I am afraid there is no prize. I hope your insurance covers the damage -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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On 30/05/2018 19:22, charles wrote:
I hope your insurance covers the damage It would not be worth getting them in for a such a small job - we are doing the electrics for an extension at the school so we might as well get the builders to fix it whilst they are on site. We can then hide the cost of repairs under our extras:-) -- Adam |
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On 30/05/2018 18:30, ARW wrote:
You are a 4th year apprentice working in a school. Having earlier in the day fallen through a classroom ceiling it is time for you to enter the loft again. Do you a) Get up there and this time take a little more care where you are standing? b) Refuse to go up because might fall through the ceiling again? or c) Get up there, take no extra care at all and fall through a different classroom ceiling? I am afraid there is no prize. If (c) then recommend a career change to politics where consistency is prized above being right. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On Wed, 30 May 2018 18:30:27 +0100, ARW wrote:
You are a 4th year apprentice working in a school. Having earlier in the day fallen through a classroom ceiling it is time for you to enter the loft again. Do you a) Get up there and this time take a little more care where you are standing? b) Refuse to go up because might fall through the ceiling again? or c) Get up there, take no extra care at all and fall through a different classroom ceiling? I am afraid there is no prize. (d) This time fall with one leg either side of the joist and introduce the local population to a language lesson in a very high and squeaky voice. Cheers Dave R -- AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Wednesday, 30 May 2018 18:30:28 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
I am afraid there is no prize. I think the answer is d) Get your mum to phone the manager and ask why you sent little Tarquin-Keanu up there in the first place Owain |
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On Wed, 30 May 2018 18:30:27 +0100, ARW wrote:
You are a 4th year apprentice working in a school. Having earlier in the day fallen through a classroom ceiling it is time for you to enter the loft again. Do you a) Get up there and this time take a little more care where you are standing? b) Refuse to go up because might fall through the ceiling again? or c) Get up there, take no extra care at all and fall through a different classroom ceiling? I am afraid there is no prize. C) but was all the paperwork in order before the event and have you made sure the incident was correctly reported and recorded? also an afternoon start may improve performance: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...ashes-suicide/ -- |
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Well the sensible thing to do is call for a health and safety review of the
job first and maybe somebody to make it safe? Of cores the fools rush in principal will dictate that the person is now sure where the supports are so will carefully make sure they tread the same distance apart each time and then discover that the supports are not the same everywhere and end up in hospital with a broken ankle. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "ARW" wrote in message ... You are a 4th year apprentice working in a school. Having earlier in the day fallen through a classroom ceiling it is time for you to enter the loft again. Do you a) Get up there and this time take a little more care where you are standing? b) Refuse to go up because might fall through the ceiling again? or c) Get up there, take no extra care at all and fall through a different classroom ceiling? I am afraid there is no prize. -- Adam |
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What H&S review?
He has worked in loads of lofts before and never fallen through one before. I have only ever fallen through two (and one of those was at home). If you want H&S gone mad I once crawled across a suspended grid ceiling using a few planks of wood to grab a fire alarm cable. I'll never ask an apprentice to do a job I am not prepared to do. On 31/05/2018 09:01, Brian Gaff wrote: Well the sensible thing to do is call for a health and safety review of the job first and maybe somebody to make it safe? Of cores the fools rush in principal will dictate that the person is now sure where the supports are so will carefully make sure they tread the same distance apart each time and then discover that the supports are not the same everywhere and end up in hospital with a broken ankle. Brian -- Adam |
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On 30/05/18 18:30, ARW wrote:
You are a 4th year apprentice working in a school. Having earlier in the day fallen through a classroom ceiling it is time for you to enter the loft again. Do you a) Get up there and this time take a little more care where you are standing? b) Refuse to go up because might fall through the ceiling again? or c) Get up there, take no extra care at all and fall through a different classroom ceiling? I am afraid there is no prize. Beautiful! Reminds me of an incident in the '60s My father-in-law ran a small general building firm and employed my brother-in-law (his son) and an apprentice. They were working in Hullbridge, a little village in Essex, far away from everywhere else and on the banks of the River Crouch. A customer had bought a pair of semi-detached bungalows and had commissioned the firm to convert them into one. They had re-roofed it with tiles on a tar paper base and removed the party wall between the two lofts. The intention was to close up one of the two access hatches and make good the ceiling underneath and alter the plumbing so that there was just one main water inlet, one header tank and one complete water system for the whole property. They were going to rewire it, knock doors through and alter the room layouts too. FiL had left his son and the apprentice to work on the plumbing in the roof while he went to see to another job. My BiL had gone to get some materials and left the apprentice using a blow lamp to solder pipes close to the eaves of the roof when a careless gesture with the flame set light to some scraps of tar paper discarded between the ceiling joists. The flames leapt up and in a moment had set light to the rest of the tar paper under the tiles. I'd better ring the Fire Brigade, thought the apprentice and climbed hurriedly out of the loft through the access hatch. Unfortunately, in his panic he had chosen the wrong hatch. The ladder leaned against the opening of the other hatch and he just fell though the open hole in this one. Unharmed, he picked himself up and looked for the phone. Unfortunately, the house phone was in the other half of the building, the front door to which was locked and the apprentice didn't have a key. What he should have done was look at the telephone poles and work out which of the nearest houses was occupied and had a phone. What he actually did was run along the street to the phone box in the village centre and call the Fire Brigade from there. By the time the fire brigade eventually arrived (from nearby Wickford or Hockley, I suppose) the fire had taken the entire property and all the brigade could do was contain the blaze and stop it spreading any further. My BiL arrived back in Hullbridge and seeing the plume of smoke and the fire engines, wondered what had been going on. He soon discovered. I suppose I'd better call the Gaffer, he said to the apprentice and headed for the public phone box. He was not looking forward to the call. He and his dad had a pretty gruff sort of working relationship and he knew he ought never to have left the apprentice to work alone and he could only imagine the dressing down he was going to get. His dad listened in silence on the other end of the phone as he explained about the plumbing work, about leaving the apprentice, about the flames, the phone, the Fire Brigade, the empty, charred shell which was all that remained of the property and he waited for the inevitable explosion of rage on the other end of the line. Silence. Dad? More silence? Dad, are you there? Eventually a quiet, calm voice answered. Are you and the lad alright? Anybody hurt? No, Dad. Nobody's hurt. We're all okay. That's good, son. The other stuff... well... That's what we pay our insurance for, isn't it? click Nick |
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On 30/05/2018 19:28, Huge wrote:
' I am afraid there is no prize. Oh, there is. The apprentice is one. A prize ****. Same one that last year was told "Do not try swapping the sockets until I have killed the power to them" About 5 minutes later a joiner told me "Your lads just had a right belt off that socket he took off" -- Adam |
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Same one that last year was told "Do not try swapping the sockets until I have killed the power to them" About 5 minutes later a joiner told me "Your lads just had a right belt off that socket he took off" I thought apprentices were an expendable asset? |
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On 03/06/2018 10:49, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
It happens that ARW formulated : Same one that last year was told "Do not try swapping the sockets until I have killed the power to them" About 5 minutes later a joiner told me "Your lads just had a right belt off that socket he took off" I thought apprentices were an expendable asset? They are, but you don't want one dying at work. RIDDOR would require a lot of form filling. -- Adam |
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