Yes, I know this picture is from a site offering a new toilet seat, but
what I need is the cistern/tank and tank lid (the originals have
cracked, so V&B isn't all it's cracked up to be....)

https://www.bathroomstudio.com/image.../villeroy_boch
_omnia_classic_replacement_toilet_seat_1.500.jpg

Is there any place to buy those bits of possibly expensive ceramic on
their own, or a plausible compatible?

I could of course just buy a whole new bowl and cistern from B&Q, but
then it would be the odd-one-out in the house.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
Is there any place to buy those bits of possibly expensive ceramic on
their own, or a plausible compatible?

Miscellanea have a series of greenhouses stuffed full of old bathroom bits:
https://brokenbog.com/

Worth asking if they can help.

Theo

In message , at 19:00:23 on Fri,
11 May 2018, Theo remarked:

Is there any place to buy those bits of possibly expensive ceramic on
their own, or a plausible compatible?

Miscellanea have a series of greenhouses stuffed full of old bathroom bits:
https://brokenbog.com/

Worth asking if they can help.

Thanks for the link.

But prices for a potentially compatible cistern and lid start at around
£250 (inc VAT & Delivery) which is fine if you want an exact match with
the rest of a coloured/sculptured the bathroom suite. But a plain white
toilet is a plain white toilet!

--
Roland Perry

On 12/05/2018 11:05, Roland Perry wrote:


But prices for a potentially compatible cistern and lid start at around
£250 (inc VAT & Delivery) which is fine if you want an exact match with
the rest of a coloured/sculptured the bathroom suite. But a plain white
toilet is a plain white toilet!


With a design such as the one you have surely any close look alike would
not look out of place. Others would notice that it's not original only
if they had an intimate knowledge if the white porcelain market or if
you told them.

--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

In message , at 11:22:57 on Sat, 12
May 2018, alan_m remarked:

But prices for a potentially compatible cistern and lid start at
around £250 (inc VAT & Delivery) which is fine if you want an exact
match with the rest of a coloured/sculptured the bathroom suite. But
a plain white toilet is a plain white toilet!

With a design such as the one you have surely any close look alike
would not look out of place. Others would notice that it's not original
only if they had an intimate knowledge if the white porcelain market or
if you told them.

I agree, but the cistern would have to physically fit well enough, even
if from a cheaper brand. As this one (and its pedestal obviously) is
20yrs old, it may or may not.

I do hope to fix it without having to re-plumb either the pedestal, or
just as importantly where the cold water feed emerges perpendicularly
out of the wall, via a cutout in the back wall of the cistern. And not
through the side or bottom of the tank.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:
But prices for a potentially compatible cistern and lid start at around
£250 (inc VAT & Delivery) which is fine if you want an exact match with
the rest of a coloured/sculptured the bathroom suite. But a plain white
toilet is a plain white toilet!

If it's a plain white toilet, replace it with another plain white toilet.

If it's a specific white toilet you need, then it evidently isn't a
plain white toilet.

Theo
(trying to resist saying 'bog standard' here)

In message , at 11:44:59 on Sat,
12 May 2018, Theo remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
But prices for a potentially compatible cistern and lid start at around
£250 (inc VAT & Delivery) which is fine if you want an exact match with
the rest of a coloured/sculptured the bathroom suite. But a plain white
toilet is a plain white toilet!

If it's a plain white toilet, replace it with another plain white toilet.

If it's a specific white toilet you need, then it evidently isn't a
plain white toilet.

Theo
(trying to resist saying 'bog standard' here)

The two things which need to "fit" are where the water feed enters the
rear of the cistern, and the soil pipe exits the pan. The latter fit is
probably easier to source than the former, but a whole new unit needs
both, of course.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 13:40:03 on
Sat, 12 May 2018, Martin remarked:
On Sat, 12 May 2018 11:59:32 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 11:44:59 on Sat,
12 May 2018, Theo remarked:
Roland Perry wrote:
But prices for a potentially compatible cistern and lid start at around
£250 (inc VAT & Delivery) which is fine if you want an exact match with
the rest of a coloured/sculptured the bathroom suite. But a plain white
toilet is a plain white toilet!

If it's a plain white toilet, replace it with another plain white toilet.

If it's a specific white toilet you need, then it evidently isn't a
plain white toilet.

Theo
(trying to resist saying 'bog standard' here)

The two things which need to "fit" are where the water feed enters the
rear of the cistern, and the soil pipe exits the pan. The latter fit is
probably easier to source than the former, but a whole new unit needs
both, of course.

Aren't they made to a standard? We had no problems replacing both our toilets
more than 30 years after they were first installed.

Where the water goes into the cistern appears to vary quite a lot.
External pipework is a lot easier to adapt than ones coming out of the
wall.

Hopefully the "close coupling" is fairly standard, but a feature of this
model is a crescent-shaped lip in the top of the pan just behind the
hinges, which will constrain the dimension of the bottom of the cistern.

Rather than like this one where it's essentially a flat shelf:

https://www.yourhomemagazine.co.uk/s...ace-a-close-co
upled-cistern-step2.jpg?

And like that one, there's a significant gap between the hinges and the
cistern. Most modern designs are much closer. If this means the pan
itself is closer to the wall, it might not marry up with the soilpipe
properly if replacing the whole unit.

I'm going to need to go to B&Q with a measuring stick!

Have you tried here for information about a replacement?
https://www.bathroomspareparts.co.uk...arts-209-c.asp

My model isn't available, and a more modern one is £200 for just the two
bits of porcelain. That's when I reached for this newsgroup, earlier.
--
Roland Perry

On 12/05/18 11:44, Theo wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
But prices for a potentially compatible cistern and lid start at around
£250 (inc VAT & Delivery) which is fine if you want an exact match with
the rest of a coloured/sculptured the bathroom suite. But a plain white
toilet is a plain white toilet!

If it's a plain white toilet, replace it with another plain white toilet.

If it's a specific white toilet you need, then it evidently isn't a
plain white toilet.

Theo
(trying to resist saying 'bog standard' here)

or even Ideal Standard




--
djc

(–€Ì¿Ä¹Ì¯–€Ì¿ Ì¿)
No low-hanging fruit, just a lot of small berries up a tall tree.

On Saturday, 12 May 2018 11:45:03 UTC+1, Theo wrote:
Roland Perry wrote:
But prices for a potentially compatible cistern and lid start at around
£250 (inc VAT & Delivery) which is fine if you want an exact match with
the rest of a coloured/sculptured the bathroom suite. But a plain white
toilet is a plain white toilet!

If it's a plain white toilet, replace it with another plain white toilet.

If it's a specific white toilet you need, then it evidently isn't a
plain white toilet.

Theo
(trying to resist saying 'bog standard' here)

And failing to resist ...

On 11/05/2018 16:42, Roland Perry wrote:
Yes, I know this picture is from a site offering a new toilet seat, but
what I need is the cistern/tank and tank lid (the originals have
cracked, so V&B isn't all it's cracked up to be....)

https://www.bathroomstudio.com/image.../villeroy_boch
_omnia_classic_replacement_toilet_seat_1.500.jpg

Is there any place to buy those bits of possibly expensive ceramic on
their own, or a plausible compatible?

I could of course just buy a whole new bowl and cistern from B&Q, but
then it would be the odd-one-out in the house.


You might find that you can get the V&B parts you want (at a sensible
price) from www.megabad.com ... their prices and service are excellent,
plus they will correspond in English.

In message , at 10:40:52 on Sun, 13
May 2018, remarked:
Yes, I know this picture is from a site offering a new toilet seat, but
what I need is the cistern/tank and tank lid (the originals have
cracked, so V&B isn't all it's cracked up to be....)

https://www.bathroomstudio.com/image.../villeroy_boch
_omnia_classic_replacement_toilet_seat_1.500.jpg
Is there any place to buy those bits of possibly expensive ceramic
on
their own, or a plausible compatible?
I could of course just buy a whole new bowl and cistern from B&Q,
but
then it would be the odd-one-out in the house.

You might find that you can get the V&B parts you want (at a sensible
price) from www.megabad.com ... their prices and service are excellent,
plus they will correspond in English.

It looks like they are selling mainly new complete units (and not many
of them WCs), not spares for 20yr old ones. But thanks for the link.
--
Roland Perry

On 13/05/2018 11:40, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:40:52 on Sun, 13
May 2018, remarked:
Yes, I know this picture is from a site offering a new toilet seat, but
what I need is the cistern/tank and tank lid (the originals have
cracked, so V&B isn't all it's cracked up to be....)

https://www.bathroomstudio.com/image.../villeroy_boch
_omnia_classic_replacement_toilet_seat_1.500.jpg
Â*Is there any place to buy those bits of possibly expensive ceramic on
their own, or a plausible compatible?
Â*I could of course just buy a whole new bowl and cistern from B&Q, but
then it would be the odd-one-out in the house.

You might find that you can get the V&B parts you want (at a sensible
price) from www.megabad.com ... their prices and service are
excellent, plus they will correspond in English.

It looks like they are selling mainly new complete units (and not many
of them WCs), not spares for 20yr old ones. But thanks for the link.

Too many years ago for me to remember where, but my insurance company
put me in touch with a company in Birmingham to source replacement parts
for an old, discontinued bathroom suite.

The insurance company were also going to pay for fitting, but I said I'd
do that myself. They then actually offered to pay me for doing it, but
only at minimum wage. I said not to bother. I later found that they
didn't charge many the excess. My premium didn't seem to change either.

SteveW

On 13/05/2018 14:02, Steve Walker wrote:
On 13/05/2018 11:40, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 10:40:52 on Sun, 13
May 2018, remarked:
Yes, I know this picture is from a site offering a new toilet seat, but
what I need is the cistern/tank and tank lid (the originals have
cracked, so V&B isn't all it's cracked up to be....)

https://www.bathroomstudio.com/image.../villeroy_boch

_omnia_classic_replacement_toilet_seat_1.500.jpg
Â*Is there any place to buy those bits of possibly expensive ceramic on
their own, or a plausible compatible?
Â*I could of course just buy a whole new bowl and cistern from B&Q, but
then it would be the odd-one-out in the house.

You might find that you can get the V&B parts you want (at a sensible
price) from www.megabad.com ... their prices and service are
excellent, plus they will correspond in English.

It looks like they are selling mainly new complete units (and not many
of them WCs), not spares for 20yr old ones. But thanks for the link.

Too many years ago for me to remember where, but my insurance company
put me in touch with a company in Birmingham to source replacement parts
for an old, discontinued bathroom suite.

The insurance company were also going to pay for fitting, but I said I'd
do that myself. They then actually offered to pay me for doing it, but
only at minimum wage. I said not to bother. I later found that they
didn't charge many the excess. My premium didn't seem to change either.

That should have been "didn't charge me the excess"

SteveW

In message , at 14:11:10 on
Sun, 13 May 2018, Martin remarked:
On Sun, 13 May 2018 10:40:52 +0100, wrote:

On 11/05/2018 16:42, Roland Perry wrote:
Yes, I know this picture is from a site offering a new toilet seat, but
what I need is the cistern/tank and tank lid (the originals have
cracked, so V&B isn't all it's cracked up to be....)

https://www.bathroomstudio.com/image.../villeroy_boch
_omnia_classic_replacement_toilet_seat_1.500.jpg

Is there any place to buy those bits of possibly expensive ceramic on
their own, or a plausible compatible?

I could of course just buy a whole new bowl and cistern from B&Q, but
then it would be the odd-one-out in the house.


You might find that you can get the V&B parts you want (at a sensible
price) from www.megabad.com ... their prices and service are excellent,
plus they will correspond in English.

Thanks for that.

WCs https://www.megabad.com/bad-keramik-...eramik/wc.html

The whole thing
https://www.megabad.com/hersteller-m...ramik-classic-
100-a-327949.htm

That's remarkably similar (but not how the whole range only has two such
models; I can't work out why the other so much more expensive).

Off to take measurements... but it doesn't look like that one has the
rear water feed.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 14:27:11 on Sun, 13 May
2018, Roland Perry remarked:
https://www.bathroomstudio.com/image.../villeroy_boch
_omnia_classic_replacement_toilet_seat_1.500.jpg

Is there any place to buy those bits of possibly expensive ceramic on
their own, or a plausible compatible?

I could of course just buy a whole new bowl and cistern from B&Q, but
then it would be the odd-one-out in the house.


You might find that you can get the V&B parts you want (at a sensible
price) from www.megabad.com ... their prices and service are excellent,
plus they will correspond in English.

Thanks for that.

WCs https://www.megabad.com/bad-keramik-...eramik/wc.html

The whole thing
https://www.megabad.com/hersteller-m...ramik-classic-
100-a-327949.htm

That's remarkably similar (but not how the whole range only has two
such models; I can't work out why the other so much more expensive).

Off to take measurements... but it doesn't look like that one has the
rear water feed.

While I'm pretty confident the measurements for the pan are the same,
the cistern is completely different. Mine is shorter, fatter, and tapers
towards the back (to 310 vs 364mm) rather than rectangular with a
slightly bowed front.

See my earlier link:

https://www.bathroomstudio.com/image.../villeroy_boch
_omnia_classic_replacement_toilet_seat_1.500.jpg

But that gives me more confidence the Omnia Classic (rather than Classic
100) is the model I'm looking for.
--
Roland Perry

On 13/05/2018 18:33, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 14:27:11 on Sun, 13 May
2018, Roland Perry remarked:
https://www.bathroomstudio.com/image.../villeroy_boch
_omnia_classic_replacement_toilet_seat_1.500.jpg

Is there any place to buy those bits of possibly expensive ceramic on
their own, or a plausible compatible?

I could of course just buy a whole new bowl and cistern from B&Q, but
then it would be the odd-one-out in the house.


You might find that you can get the V&B parts you want (at a sensible
price) from www.megabad.com ... their prices and service are excellent,
plus they will correspond in English.

Thanks for that.

WCs https://www.megabad.com/bad-keramik-...eramik/wc.html

The whole thing
https://www.megabad.com/hersteller-m...ramik-classic-
100-a-327949.htm

That's remarkably similar (but not how the whole range only has two
such models; I can't work out why the other so much more expensive).

Off to take measurements... but it doesn't look like that one has the
rear water feed.

While I'm pretty confident the measurements for the pan are the same,
the cistern is completely different. Mine is shorter, fatter, and tapers
towards the back (to 310 vs 364mm) rather than rectangular with a
slightly bowed front.

See my earlier link:

https://www.bathroomstudio.com/image.../villeroy_boch
_omnia_classic_replacement_toilet_seat_1.500.jpg

But that gives me more confidence the Omnia Classic (rather than Classic
100) is the model I'm looking for.

They are very helpful so I'd suggest sending them or V&B an email.

In message , at 22:01:29 on Sun, 13
May 2018, remarked:
You might find that you can get the V&B parts you want (at a sensible
price) from www.megabad.com ... their prices and service are excellent,
plus they will correspond in English.

Thanks for that.

WCs https://www.megabad.com/bad-keramik-...eramik/wc.html

The whole thing
https://www.megabad.com/hersteller-m...ramik-classic-
100-a-327949.htm

That's remarkably similar (but not how the whole range only has two
such models; I can't work out why the other so much more expensive).

Off to take measurements... but it doesn't look like that one has the
rear water feed.
While I'm pretty confident the measurements for the pan are the
same,
the cistern is completely different. Mine is shorter, fatter, and tapers
towards the back (to 310 vs 364mm) rather than rectangular with a
slightly bowed front.
See my earlier link:

https://www.bathroomstudio.com/image.../villeroy_boch
_omnia_classic_replacement_toilet_seat_1.500.jpg
But that gives me more confidence the Omnia Classic (rather than
Classic
100) is the model I'm looking for.

They are very helpful so I'd suggest sending them or V&B an email.

If "they" are Megabad, it's very unlikely they have 20yr old spares
(other than, like bathroomstudio, new seats which is a foreseeable
ongoing requirement). And the cost (with carriage) for a cistern and lid
will be prohibitive.

Yesterday I called brokenbog, and they didn't sound very thrilled. Said
they didn't have much V&B, but took the details and said they would call
me back. Which they haven't, yet. I know someone who will be in their
area tomorrow and could conceivably pick something up, but I'm not that
hopeful.
--
Roland Perry