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Tap access puzzle
Tried to get to a 1/4 turn tap cartridge today to measure up for a
replacement valve. It's a monobloc style chrome basin tap, nothing expensive. I expected that after removing the cap in the middle of the handle I would see a cross head screw. Undoing that would release the handle from the top of the valve, the chrome shroud would come off, revealing the valve, to unscrew & measure.... Mmm. Removing the cap revealed no screw head? There was what could have been the very end of a small bolt showing in the centre of the newly revealed chrome handle body, but no obvious way to proceed? I even unscrewed 2 of the 4 cross bars on the handle but no grub screws or anything likely were revealed. The other two bars were rather reluctant to move so that was that for then. Anyone seen this type of thing before? Any pointers welcome! TIA -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 03/05/2018 21:07, Jim K wrote:
Tried to get to a 1/4 turn tap cartridge today to measure up for a replacement valve. It's a monobloc style chrome basin tap, nothing expensive. I expected that after removing the cap in the middle of the handle I would see a cross head screw. Undoing that would release the handle from the top of the valve, the chrome shroud would come off, revealing the valve, to unscrew & measure.... Mmm. Removing the cap revealed no screw head? There was what could have been the very end of a small bolt showing in the centre of the newly revealed chrome handle body, but no obvious way to proceed? I even unscrewed 2 of the 4 cross bars on the handle but no grub screws or anything likely were revealed. The other two bars were rather reluctant to move so that was that for then. Anyone seen this type of thing before? Any pointers welcome! TIA Any chance of a picture? -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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alan_m Wrote in message:
On 03/05/2018 21:07, Jim K wrote: Tried to get to a 1/4 turn tap cartridge today to measure up for a replacement valve. It's a monobloc style chrome basin tap, nothing expensive. I expected that after removing the cap in the middle of the handle I would see a cross head screw. Undoing that would release the handle from the top of the valve, the chrome shroud would come off, revealing the valve, to unscrew & measure.... Mmm. Removing the cap revealed no screw head? There was what could have been the very end of a small bolt showing in the centre of the newly revealed chrome handle body, but no obvious way to proceed? I even unscrewed 2 of the 4 cross bars on the handle but no grub screws or anything likely were revealed. The other two bars were rather reluctant to move so that was that for then. Anyone seen this type of thing before? Any pointers welcome! TIA Any chance of a picture? Of what? -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 03/05/18 22:47, Jim K wrote:
alan_m Wrote in message: On 03/05/2018 21:07, Jim K wrote: Tried to get to a 1/4 turn tap cartridge today to measure up for a replacement valve. It's a monobloc style chrome basin tap, nothing expensive. I expected that after removing the cap in the middle of the handle I would see a cross head screw. Undoing that would release the handle from the top of the valve, the chrome shroud would come off, revealing the valve, to unscrew & measure.... Mmm. Removing the cap revealed no screw head? There was what could have been the very end of a small bolt showing in the centre of the newly revealed chrome handle body, but no obvious way to proceed? I even unscrewed 2 of the 4 cross bars on the handle but no grub screws or anything likely were revealed. The other two bars were rather reluctant to move so that was that for then. Anyone seen this type of thing before? Any pointers welcome! TIA Any chance of a picture? Of what? A cat. |
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Richard Wrote in message:
On 03/05/18 22:47, Jim K wrote: alan_m Wrote in message: On 03/05/2018 21:07, Jim K wrote: Tried to get to a 1/4 turn tap cartridge today to measure up for a replacement valve. It's a monobloc style chrome basin tap, nothing expensive. I expected that after removing the cap in the middle of the handle I would see a cross head screw. Undoing that would release the handle from the top of the valve, the chrome shroud would come off, revealing the valve, to unscrew & measure.... Mmm. Removing the cap revealed no screw head? There was what could have been the very end of a small bolt showing in the centre of the newly revealed chrome handle body, but no obvious way to proceed? I even unscrewed 2 of the 4 cross bars on the handle but no grub screws or anything likely were revealed. The other two bars were rather reluctant to move so that was that for then. Anyone seen this type of thing before? Any pointers welcome! TIA Any chance of a picture? Of what? A cat. How about a smartarse? -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Jim K wrote:
Richard Wrote in message: On 03/05/18 22:47, Jim K wrote: alan_m Wrote in message: On 03/05/2018 21:07, Jim K wrote: Tried to get to a 1/4 turn tap cartridge today to measure up for a replacement valve. It's a monobloc style chrome basin tap, nothing expensive. I expected that after removing the cap in the middle of the handle I would see a cross head screw. Undoing that would release the handle from the top of the valve, the chrome shroud would come off, revealing the valve, to unscrew & measure.... Mmm. Removing the cap revealed no screw head? There was what could have been the very end of a small bolt showing in the centre of the newly revealed chrome handle body, but no obvious way to proceed? I even unscrewed 2 of the 4 cross bars on the handle but no grub screws or anything likely were revealed. The other two bars were rather reluctant to move so that was that for then. Anyone seen this type of thing before? Any pointers welcome! TIA Any chance of a picture? Of what? A cat. How about a smartarse? Um, youre the one with the weird tap with no head screw. How about a picture of what IS under the centre cap? Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On 04/05/2018 07:59, Tim+ wrote:
Um, youre the one with the weird tap with no head screw. How about a picture of what IS under the centre cap? Or even a picture of the whole assembly -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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alan_m Wrote in message:
On 04/05/2018 07:59, Tim+ wrote: Um, you?re the one with the weird tap with no head screw. How about a picture of what IS under the centre cap? Or even a picture of the whole assembly Mmm multiple answers - good job I clarified ;-) -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 04/05/18 07:28, Jim K wrote:
Richard Wrote in message: On 03/05/18 22:47, Jim K wrote: alan_m Wrote in message: On 03/05/2018 21:07, Jim K wrote: Tried to get to a 1/4 turn tap cartridge today to measure up for a replacement valve. It's a monobloc style chrome basin tap, nothing expensive. I expected that after removing the cap in the middle of the handle I would see a cross head screw. Undoing that would release the handle from the top of the valve, the chrome shroud would come off, revealing the valve, to unscrew & measure.... Mmm. Removing the cap revealed no screw head? There was what could have been the very end of a small bolt showing in the centre of the newly revealed chrome handle body, but no obvious way to proceed? I even unscrewed 2 of the 4 cross bars on the handle but no grub screws or anything likely were revealed. The other two bars were rather reluctant to move so that was that for then. Anyone seen this type of thing before? Any pointers welcome! TIA Any chance of a picture? Of what? A cat. How about a smartarse? Feel free to post selfies if you wish. |
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Richard Wrote in message:
On 04/05/18 07:28, Jim K wrote: Richard Wrote in message: On 03/05/18 22:47, Jim K wrote: alan_m Wrote in message: On 03/05/2018 21:07, Jim K wrote: Tried to get to a 1/4 turn tap cartridge today to measure up for a replacement valve. It's a monobloc style chrome basin tap, nothing expensive. I expected that after removing the cap in the middle of the handle I would see a cross head screw. Undoing that would release the handle from the top of the valve, the chrome shroud would come off, revealing the valve, to unscrew & measure.... Mmm. Removing the cap revealed no screw head? There was what could have been the very end of a small bolt showing in the centre of the newly revealed chrome handle body, but no obvious way to proceed? I even unscrewed 2 of the 4 cross bars on the handle but no grub screws or anything likely were revealed. The other two bars were rather reluctant to move so that was that for then. Anyone seen this type of thing before? Any pointers welcome! TIA Any chance of a picture? Of what? A cat. How about a smartarse? Feel free to post selfies if you wish. I feel sure you've got plenty of mirrors to look in. -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 04/05/2018 21:30, Jim K wrote:
Richard Wrote in message: On 04/05/18 07:28, Jim K wrote: Richard Wrote in message: On 03/05/18 22:47, Jim K wrote: alan_m Wrote in message: On 03/05/2018 21:07, Jim K wrote: Tried to get to a 1/4 turn tap cartridge today to measure up for a replacement valve. It's a monobloc style chrome basin tap, nothing expensive. I expected that after removing the cap in the middle of the handle I would see a cross head screw. Undoing that would release the handle from the top of the valve, the chrome shroud would come off, revealing the valve, to unscrew & measure.... Mmm. Removing the cap revealed no screw head? There was what could have been the very end of a small bolt showing in the centre of the newly revealed chrome handle body, but no obvious way to proceed? I even unscrewed 2 of the 4 cross bars on the handle but no grub screws or anything likely were revealed. The other two bars were rather reluctant to move so that was that for then. Anyone seen this type of thing before? Any pointers welcome! TIA Any chance of a picture? Of what? A cat. How about a smartarse? Feel free to post selfies if you wish. I feel sure you've got plenty of mirrors to look in. This badinage is very droll, but I'm interested to know whether you have solved your tap problem? |
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GB Wrote in message:
On 04/05/2018 21:30, Jim K wrote: Richard Wrote in message: On 04/05/18 07:28, Jim K wrote: Richard Wrote in message: On 03/05/18 22:47, Jim K wrote: alan_m Wrote in message: On 03/05/2018 21:07, Jim K wrote: Tried to get to a 1/4 turn tap cartridge today to measure up for a replacement valve. It's a monobloc style chrome basin tap, nothing expensive. I expected that after removing the cap in the middle of the handle I would see a cross head screw. Undoing that would release the handle from the top of the valve, the chrome shroud would come off, revealing the valve, to unscrew & measure.... Mmm. Removing the cap revealed no screw head? There was what could have been the very end of a small bolt showing in the centre of the newly revealed chrome handle body, but no obvious way to proceed? I even unscrewed 2 of the 4 cross bars on the handle but no grub screws or anything likely were revealed. The other two bars were rather reluctant to move so that was that for then. Anyone seen this type of thing before? Any pointers welcome! TIA Any chance of a picture? Of what? A cat. How about a smartarse? Feel free to post selfies if you wish. I feel sure you've got plenty of mirrors to look in. This badinage is very droll, but I'm interested to know whether you have solved your tap problem? Not yet. I was hoping someone would recognise the scenario and share their success/failure pathways... Simply put - where you'd normally find a screw that secures the handle to the top of a ceramic 1/4 turn tap cartridge, there is no screw, just an odd small central different brassy coloured bit of metal, possibly the end of a bolt but too small to tell. Ring any bells with anyone? -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Friday, 4 May 2018 22:21:00 UTC+1, JimK wrote:
GB Wrote in message: On 04/05/2018 21:30, Jim K wrote: Richard Wrote in message: On 04/05/18 07:28, Jim K wrote: Richard Wrote in message: On 03/05/18 22:47, Jim K wrote: alan_m Wrote in message: On 03/05/2018 21:07, Jim K wrote: Tried to get to a 1/4 turn tap cartridge today to measure up for a replacement valve. It's a monobloc style chrome basin tap, nothing expensive. I expected that after removing the cap in the middle of the handle I would see a cross head screw. Undoing that would release the handle from the top of the valve, the chrome shroud would come off, revealing the valve, to unscrew & measure.... Mmm. Removing the cap revealed no screw head? There was what could have been the very end of a small bolt showing in the centre of the newly revealed chrome handle body, but no obvious way to proceed? I even unscrewed 2 of the 4 cross bars on the handle but no grub screws or anything likely were revealed. The other two bars were rather reluctant to move so that was that for then. Anyone seen this type of thing before? Any pointers welcome! TIA Any chance of a picture? Of what? A cat. How about a smartarse? Feel free to post selfies if you wish. I feel sure you've got plenty of mirrors to look in. This badinage is very droll, but I'm interested to know whether you have solved your tap problem? Not yet. I was hoping someone would recognise the scenario and share their success/failure pathways... Simply put - where you'd normally find a screw that secures the handle to the top of a ceramic 1/4 turn tap cartridge, there is no screw, just an odd small central different brassy coloured bit of metal, possibly the end of a bolt but too small to tell. Ring any bells with anyone? Seen that many times on other goods. Sounds like a hot rivet. The head is bashed down into a predetermined, usually slightly domed, shape by a ?something while hot. If that's what's going on with your tap you won't get that undone. NT |
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On Saturday, 5 May 2018 07:14:00 UTC+1, JimK wrote:
tabbypurr Wrote in message: On Friday, 4 May 2018 22:21:00 UTC+1, JimK wrote: GB Wrote in message: This badinage is very droll, but I'm interested to know whether you have solved your tap problem? Not yet. I was hoping someone would recognise the scenario and share their success/failure pathways... Simply put - where you'd normally find a screw that secures the handle to the top of a ceramic 1/4 turn tap cartridge, there is no screw, just an odd small central different brassy coloured bit of metal, possibly the end of a bolt but too small to tell. Ring any bells with anyone? Seen that many times on other goods. Sounds like a hot rivet. The head is bashed down into a predetermined, usually slightly domed, shape by a ?something while hot. If that's what's going on with your tap you won't get that undone. NT Drill? If it was a rivet.... Of course, but going through the same hot rivetting process again afterwards isn't too practical. Just replace it. NT |
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On Saturday, 5 May 2018 07:14:00 UTC+1, JimK wrote: tabbypurr Wrote in message: On Friday, 4 May 2018 22:21:00 UTC+1, JimK wrote: GB Wrote in message: This badinage is very droll, but I'm interested to know whether you have solved your tap problem? Not yet. I was hoping someone would recognise the scenario and share their success/failure pathways... Simply put - where you'd normally find a screw that secures the handle to the top of a ceramic 1/4 turn tap cartridge, there is no screw, just an odd small central different brassy coloured bit of metal, possibly the end of a bolt but too small to tell. Ring any bells with anyone? Seen that many times on other goods. Sounds like a hot rivet. The head is bashed down into a predetermined, usually slightly domed, shape by a ?something while hot. If that's what's going on with your tap you won't get that undone. NT Drill? If it was a rivet.... Of course, but going through the same hot rivetting process again afterwards isn't too practical. Just replace it. Why would I need to hot rivet it? (even assuming it was hot rivetted which i don't think it is) I'm sure I could find a machine screw to replace it.... -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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alan_m Wrote in message:
On 04/05/2018 07:59, Tim+ wrote: Um, you?re the one with the weird tap with no head screw. How about a picture of what IS under the centre cap? Or even a picture of the whole assembly Similar to this https://www.wolseley.co.uk/product/n...dual-control-m onobloc-basin-mixer-chrome-plated/ The valve shroud sections on mine are a bit longer but essentially looks same. -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 05/05/2018 18:50, Jim K wrote:
Wrote in message: On 04/05/2018 07:59, Tim+ wrote: Um, you?re the one with the weird tap with no head screw. How about a picture of what IS under the centre cap? Or even a picture of the whole assembly Similar to this https://www.wolseley.co.uk/product/n...dual-control-m onobloc-basin-mixer-chrome-plated/ The valve shroud sections on mine are a bit longer but essentially looks same. What happens if you unscrew the shroud - does the handle move up with it? [Could there be something inside the shroud which is holding the handle on?] Either way, does the shroud slide up the handle stem far enough to allow you to get a spanner of the valve, and unscrew it from the tap body? -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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Roger Mills Wrote in message:
On 05/05/2018 18:50, Jim K wrote: Wrote in message: On 04/05/2018 07:59, Tim+ wrote: Um, you?re the one with the weird tap with no head screw. How about a picture of what IS under the centre cap? Or even a picture of the whole assembly Similar to this https://www.wolseley.co.uk/product/n...dual-control-m onobloc-basin-mixer-chrome-plated/ The valve shroud sections on mine are a bit longer but essentially looks same. What happens if you unscrew the shroud - does the handle move up with it? [Could there be something inside the shroud which is holding the handle on?] Not sure if shroud screws on or not, the target valve's shroud is loose/rattly but no further clues! Either way, does the shroud slide up the handle stem far enough to allow you to get a spanner of the valve, and unscrew it from the tap body? Nope. The other valve's shroud does not have any slack whatsoever. It appears to be held on by the tap handle assembly so cannot slide anywhere that I can see. -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Jim K wrote:
alan_m Wrote in message: On 04/05/2018 07:59, Tim+ wrote: Um, you?re the one with the weird tap with no head screw. How about a picture of what IS under the centre cap? Or even a picture of the whole assembly Similar to this https://www.wolseley.co.uk/product/n...dual-control-m onobloc-basin-mixer-chrome-plated/ The valve shroud sections on mine are a bit longer but essentially looks same. Well your reluctance to actually post an image of *your* tap isnt helping but it looks a bit like a security hex head screw securing the tap handle. https://goo.gl/images/88oLZ7 Then again, maybe you dont really want any help and are just trolling. I really cant be bothered speculating further until you post a photo. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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Tim+ Wrote in message:
Jim K wrote: alan_m Wrote in message: On 04/05/2018 07:59, Tim+ wrote: Um, you?re the one with the weird tap with no head screw. How about a picture of what IS under the centre cap? Or even a picture of the whole assembly Similar to this https://www.wolseley.co.uk/product/n...dual-control-m onobloc-basin-mixer-chrome-plated/ The valve shroud sections on mine are a bit longer but essentially looks same. Well your reluctance to actually post an image of *your* tap isn?t helping but it looks a bit like a security hex head screw securing the tap handle. https://goo.gl/images/88oLZ7 Esp? Then again, maybe you don?t really want any help and are just trolling. I really can?t be bothered speculating further until you post a photo. As you clearly have no experience of what I am dealing with that's absolutely ok with me. -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Jim K wrote:
Tim+ Wrote in message: Jim K wrote: alan_m Wrote in message: On 04/05/2018 07:59, Tim+ wrote: Um, you?re the one with the weird tap with no head screw. How about a picture of what IS under the centre cap? Or even a picture of the whole assembly Similar to this https://www.wolseley.co.uk/product/n...dual-control-m onobloc-basin-mixer-chrome-plated/ The valve shroud sections on mine are a bit longer but essentially looks same. Well your reluctance to actually post an image of *your* tap isn?t helping but it looks a bit like a security hex head screw securing the tap handle. https://goo.gl/images/88oLZ7 Esp? Then again, maybe you don?t really want any help and are just trolling. I really can?t be bothered speculating further until you post a photo. As you clearly have no experience of what I am dealing with that's absolutely ok with me. Well its a bit difficult without a photo and a vague description, still, your call. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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On Thu, 3 May 2018 21:07:17 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Jim K
wrote: Tried to get to a 1/4 turn tap cartridge today to measure up for a replacement valve. It's a monobloc style chrome basin tap, nothing expensive. I expected that after removing the cap in the middle of the handle I would see a cross head screw. Undoing that would release the handle from the top of the valve, the chrome shroud would come off, revealing the valve, to unscrew & measure.... Mmm. Removing the cap revealed no screw head? There was what could have been the very end of a small bolt showing in the centre of the newly revealed chrome handle body, but no obvious way to proceed? I even unscrewed 2 of the 4 cross bars on the handle but no grub screws or anything likely were revealed. The other two bars were rather reluctant to move so that was that for then. Anyone seen this type of thing before? Any pointers welcome! TIA What was revealed when you unscrewed the crossbars? Did the crossbars end in a screw that came from a screw hole in the handle, or did they have a screw hole in the end that came from a screw sticking out of the handle? If the former, perhaps you have to unscrew all four to release the tap. Other makes of tap have a grub screw low down on the side of the handle. As the tap is only quarter turn maybe the screw never comes into your view. -- Dave W |
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Tim+ Wrote in message:
Jim K wrote: Tim+ Wrote in message: Jim K wrote: alan_m Wrote in message: On 04/05/2018 07:59, Tim+ wrote: Um, you?re the one with the weird tap with no head screw. How about a picture of what IS under the centre cap? Or even a picture of the whole assembly Similar to this https://www.wolseley.co.uk/product/n...dual-control-m onobloc-basin-mixer-chrome-plated/ The valve shroud sections on mine are a bit longer but essentially looks same. Well your reluctance to actually post an image of *your* tap isn?t helping but it looks a bit like a security hex head screw securing the tap handle. https://goo.gl/images/88oLZ7 Esp? Then again, maybe you don?t really want any help and are just trolling. I really can?t be bothered speculating further until you post a photo. As you clearly have no experience of what I am dealing with that's absolutely ok with me. Well it?s a bit difficult without a photo and a vague description, still, your call. Vague? I think you fancy yourself as a troll sometimes... -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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Dave W Wrote in message:
On Thu, 3 May 2018 21:07:17 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Jim K wrote: Tried to get to a 1/4 turn tap cartridge today to measure up for a replacement valve. It's a monobloc style chrome basin tap, nothing expensive. I expected that after removing the cap in the middle of the handle I would see a cross head screw. Undoing that would release the handle from the top of the valve, the chrome shroud would come off, revealing the valve, to unscrew & measure.... Mmm. Removing the cap revealed no screw head? There was what could have been the very end of a small bolt showing in the centre of the newly revealed chrome handle body, but no obvious way to proceed? I even unscrewed 2 of the 4 cross bars on the handle but no grub screws or anything likely were revealed. The other two bars were rather reluctant to move so that was that for then. Anyone seen this type of thing before? Any pointers welcome! TIA What was revealed when you unscrewed the crossbars? Did the crossbars end in a screw that came from a screw hole in the handle, or did they have a screw hole in the end that came from a screw sticking out of the handle? If the former, perhaps you have to unscrew all four to release the tap. Yes, as per op I unscrewed 2 of the 4 bars (which ended in a threaded section), but the remaining pair did not want to move. Other makes of tap have a grub screw low down on the side of the handle. As the tap is only quarter turn maybe the screw never comes into your view. Another possibility, thanks. -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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