http://s817.photobucket.com/user/Lit...ia/Spot%20the%
20Equipment/older%20wiring%201.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

http://s817.photobucket.com/user/Lit...ia/Spot%20the%
20Equipment/old%20boiler.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1

Apologies for the rush.

Friend is viewing a house (currently a rental) and trying to price up any
work.

The two pictures are the wiring (fuse box etc.) and the boiler.

Don't know if it is a system or a combi boiler but the mechanical timer
makes it look old. As far as we can tell the house was refurbished in 2006
but both the boiler and the wiring look much older.

I am assuming that the wiring is at least safe as it is a rental and there
seem to be notices of testing on the meter.

Also the gas boiler should have had an annual safety check. Tenants say
that the boiler has failed twice in the last 8 months.

As tenants are in for a while it is difficult to go and give the place a
look over myself, especially as it is in another part of the country.

Any comments and suggestions most welcome.

A quick look at system boilers (first guess)shows WB at around £800-£1100
plus fitting.

Cheers



Dave R



--
AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

David wrote:
http://s817.photobucket.com/user/Lit...ia/Spot%20the%
20Equipment/older%20wiring%201.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

http://s817.photobucket.com/user/Lit...ia/Spot%20the%
20Equipment/old%20boiler.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1

Apologies for the rush.

Friend is viewing a house (currently a rental) and trying to price up any
work.

The two pictures are the wiring (fuse box etc.) and the boiler.

Don't know if it is a system or a combi boiler but the mechanical timer
makes it look old. As far as we can tell the house was refurbished in 2006
but both the boiler and the wiring look much older.

I am assuming that the wiring is at least safe as it is a rental and there
seem to be notices of testing on the meter.

Also the gas boiler should have had an annual safety check. Tenants say
that the boiler has failed twice in the last 8 months.

As tenants are in for a while it is difficult to go and give the place a
look over myself, especially as it is in another part of the country.

Any comments and suggestions most welcome.

A quick look at system boilers (first guess)shows WB at around £800-£1100
plus fitting.

Cheers



Dave R



There is no requirement to have tested electrics for a rental (but
obviously prudent) so you assumption is flawed.
All gas appliances in a rental do have to have an annual Gas Safe check
and certificate issued and so the vendor ought have that and be willing
to show you.

David wrote:
http://s817.photobucket.com/user/Lit...ia/Spot%20the%
20Equipment/older%20wiring%201.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

http://s817.photobucket.com/user/Lit...ia/Spot%20the%
20Equipment/old%20boiler.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1

Apologies for the rush.

Friend is viewing a house (currently a rental) and trying to price up any
work.

The two pictures are the wiring (fuse box etc.) and the boiler.

Don't know if it is a system or a combi boiler but the mechanical timer
makes it look old. As far as we can tell the house was refurbished in 2006
but both the boiler and the wiring look much older.

I am assuming that the wiring is at least safe as it is a rental and there
seem to be notices of testing on the meter.

Also the gas boiler should have had an annual safety check. Tenants say
that the boiler has failed twice in the last 8 months.

As tenants are in for a while it is difficult to go and give the place a
look over myself, especially as it is in another part of the country.

Any comments and suggestions most welcome.

A quick look at system boilers (first guess)shows WB at around £800-£1100
plus fitting.

Cheers



Dave R



Nothing there that would concern me much. A boiler change is small beer
in terms of the purchase price of a house. The wiring is not pretty but
has RCD protection. Wired fuses are a bit old but there is no
requirement to change them to latest regs unless other significant work
is going on. Your friend could use the two recent failures of the boiler
to knock the price down.

Looking at structural issues is far more important in my book.

David wrote:

I am assuming that the wiring is at least safe

It's a bit messy, and the main CU is missing the cover over the fuses,
the photo is too low resolution to see any more than that, but it looks
functional.

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:06:29 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote:

David wrote:
http://s817.photobucket.com/user/Lit...ia/Spot%20the%
20Equipment/older%20wiring%201.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

http://s817.photobucket.com/user/Lit...ia/Spot%20the%
20Equipment/old%20boiler.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1

Apologies for the rush.

Friend is viewing a house (currently a rental) and trying to price up
any work.

The two pictures are the wiring (fuse box etc.) and the boiler.

Don't know if it is a system or a combi boiler but the mechanical timer
makes it look old. As far as we can tell the house was refurbished in
2006 but both the boiler and the wiring look much older.

I am assuming that the wiring is at least safe as it is a rental and
there seem to be notices of testing on the meter.

Also the gas boiler should have had an annual safety check. Tenants say
that the boiler has failed twice in the last 8 months.

As tenants are in for a while it is difficult to go and give the place
a look over myself, especially as it is in another part of the country.

Any comments and suggestions most welcome.

A quick look at system boilers (first guess)shows WB at around
£800-£1100 plus fitting.

Cheers



Dave R



There is no requirement to have tested electrics for a rental (but
obviously prudent) so you assumption is flawed.
All gas appliances in a rental do have to have an annual Gas Safe check
and certificate issued and so the vendor ought have that and be willing
to show you.



Yes, I know it isn't compulsory for the electrics.

However I thought I had spotted a testing label - yes, the fuse box has
some kind of testing label dated 17/8/17 with next test due 17/8/22.

It is a bit blurred but it mentions wiring regulations; I suspect that
this is a firm drumming up trade by pretending that regular inspection is
mandatory instead of just a good idea.

I do wonder if this is contemporary with the fitting of the new MCB.

I remember that when we did up a previous house the plumber required the
wiring to be done by his own electrician, who in turn insisted on dong a
check on the wiring before he would touch it. He also insisted on
replacing the fuses with plug in breakers although this NG confirmed that
this was not a mandatory requirement.

So my current (cough) thought is that the wiring was tested before the new
breaker was fitted and the sticker affixed then. As far as I know a
reputable electrician won't work on house wiring without first checking
that it is safe.


Bottom line; some sparky seems to have tested it in August 2017.


Cheers



Dave R

--
AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 11:47:53 +0000, David wrote:

http://s817.photobucket.com/user/Lit...ia/Spot%20the%
20Equipment/older%20wiring%201.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

http://s817.photobucket.com/user/Lit...ia/Spot%20the%
20Equipment/old%20boiler.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1

Apologies for the rush.

Friend is viewing a house (currently a rental) and trying to price up
any work.

The two pictures are the wiring (fuse box etc.) and the boiler.

Don't know if it is a system or a combi boiler but the mechanical timer
makes it look old. As far as we can tell the house was refurbished in
2006 but both the boiler and the wiring look much older.

I am assuming that the wiring is at least safe as it is a rental and
there seem to be notices of testing on the meter.

Also the gas boiler should have had an annual safety check. Tenants say
that the boiler has failed twice in the last 8 months.

As tenants are in for a while it is difficult to go and give the place a
look over myself, especially as it is in another part of the country.

Any comments and suggestions most welcome.

A quick look at system boilers (first guess)shows WB at around
£800-£1100 plus fitting.

Any one with experience of Radiant boilers?

I'm struggling to find a picture which will help me identify the age and
type.


Cheers



Dave R


--
AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

On 10/04/2018 13:48, David wrote:

Any one with experience of Radiant boilers?

I'm struggling to find a picture which will help me identify the age and
type.

The boiler could be a Radiant Bruciatori "Midy" or "Solo", model - they
seem to share that front panel design. Something like RBS 20 E, or RS
20E, or 24E, or 30E. If its one of those, then its a combi.

The manual I have for it[1] has a date on of 2002.

There is a UK helpline number of 01329 828555, so you may be able to get
some more info form them.


[1] I have user and installation manuals for a number of Radiant
boilers. Let me know if you want any.


--
Cheers,

John.

/================================================== ===============\
| Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
| John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 14:21:29 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

On 10/04/2018 13:48, David wrote:

Any one with experience of Radiant boilers?

I'm struggling to find a picture which will help me identify the age
and type.

The boiler could be a Radiant Bruciatori "Midy" or "Solo", model - they
seem to share that front panel design. Something like RBS 20 E, or RS
20E, or 24E, or 30E. If its one of those, then its a combi.

The manual I have for it[1] has a date on of 2002.

There is a UK helpline number of 01329 828555, so you may be able to get
some more info form them.


[1] I have user and installation manuals for a number of Radiant
boilers. Let me know if you want any.

Thanks, John, very helpful.

The mechanical timer looked so archaic I was guessing it was earlier.

I remember fitting a WB combi in 2006 which was all modern and looks much
like the one we have in the current house.

All guessing at the moment, trying to work out if it would be an urgent
replacement or good for a couple of years more.

Cheers


Dave R

--
AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

On 10/04/2018 13:48, David wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 11:47:53 +0000, David wrote:

http://s817.photobucket.com/user/Lit...ia/Spot%20the%
20Equipment/older%20wiring%201.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

http://s817.photobucket.com/user/Lit...ia/Spot%20the%
20Equipment/old%20boiler.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1

Apologies for the rush.

Friend is viewing a house (currently a rental) and trying to price up
any work.

The two pictures are the wiring (fuse box etc.) and the boiler.

Don't know if it is a system or a combi boiler but the mechanical timer
makes it look old. As far as we can tell the house was refurbished in
2006 but both the boiler and the wiring look much older.

I am assuming that the wiring is at least safe as it is a rental and
there seem to be notices of testing on the meter.





It looks like the fuse board is run via a Memara RCD main switch, the
style of which was used around 10 years ago. That would suggest that the
electrics cannot be that bad or it would be tripping.

Normally a domestic property would get a ten year date on the sticker
before the next inspection. And tested on 17/-9/2017? Just as the
property went on the market by any chance?

The new CU looks like a Square D CU. The were bought out by Schneider
about 10 years ago. So possibly the new CU went for a couple of new
circuits at the same time as the RCD main switch during the refurb.

I suppose your friend could ask to see a copy of the test sheets.

--
Adam

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 16:01:34 +0100, ARW wrote:

On 10/04/2018 13:48, David wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 11:47:53 +0000, David wrote:

http://s817.photobucket.com/user/Lit...ia/Spot%20the%
20Equipment/older%20wiring%201.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

http://s817.photobucket.com/user/Lit...ia/Spot%20the%
20Equipment/old%20boiler.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1

Apologies for the rush.

Friend is viewing a house (currently a rental) and trying to price up
any work.

The two pictures are the wiring (fuse box etc.) and the boiler.

Don't know if it is a system or a combi boiler but the mechanical
timer makes it look old. As far as we can tell the house was
refurbished in 2006 but both the boiler and the wiring look much
older.

I am assuming that the wiring is at least safe as it is a rental and
there seem to be notices of testing on the meter.





It looks like the fuse board is run via a Memara RCD main switch, the
style of which was used around 10 years ago. That would suggest that the
electrics cannot be that bad or it would be tripping.

Normally a domestic property would get a ten year date on the sticker
before the next inspection. And tested on 17/-9/2017? Just as the
property went on the market by any chance?

The new CU looks like a Square D CU. The were bought out by Schneider
about 10 years ago. So possibly the new CU went for a couple of new
circuits at the same time as the RCD main switch during the refurb.

I suppose your friend could ask to see a copy of the test sheets.

Thanks.

Need to get an offer accepted first. :-)

As far as I know the property went on the market some time last year but
didn't sell. Timing and reasons still not clear. It has only recently
(weeks) come on the market this year.

History suggests it had a major structural refurbish around 2005/06 which
would time in with the age of the RCD.

Still getting my heads around the pictures.

Will upload to the FAQ.

Cheers



Dave R


--
AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

On 10/04/2018 14:49, David wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 14:21:29 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

On 10/04/2018 13:48, David wrote:

Any one with experience of Radiant boilers?

I'm struggling to find a picture which will help me identify the age
and type.

The boiler could be a Radiant Bruciatori "Midy" or "Solo", model - they
seem to share that front panel design. Something like RBS 20 E, or RS
20E, or 24E, or 30E. If its one of those, then its a combi.

The manual I have for it[1] has a date on of 2002.

There is a UK helpline number of 01329 828555, so you may be able to get
some more info form them.


[1] I have user and installation manuals for a number of Radiant
boilers. Let me know if you want any.

Thanks, John, very helpful.

The mechanical timer looked so archaic I was guessing it was earlier.

I remember fitting a WB combi in 2006 which was all modern and looks much
like the one we have in the current house.

All guessing at the moment, trying to work out if it would be an urgent
replacement or good for a couple of years more.

Well its only urgent if it does not work at all ;-)

Until then, you may as well leave it alone, unless its too weedy in
terms of available power.



--
Cheers,

John.

/================================================== ===============\
| Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------|
| John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk |
\================================================= ================/

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 17:48:08 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

On 10/04/2018 14:49, David wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 14:21:29 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

On 10/04/2018 13:48, David wrote:

Any one with experience of Radiant boilers?

I'm struggling to find a picture which will help me identify the age
and type.

The boiler could be a Radiant Bruciatori "Midy" or "Solo", model -
they seem to share that front panel design. Something like RBS 20 E,
or RS 20E, or 24E, or 30E. If its one of those, then its a combi.

The manual I have for it[1] has a date on of 2002.

There is a UK helpline number of 01329 828555, so you may be able to
get some more info form them.


[1] I have user and installation manuals for a number of Radiant
boilers. Let me know if you want any.

Thanks, John, very helpful.

The mechanical timer looked so archaic I was guessing it was earlier.

I remember fitting a WB combi in 2006 which was all modern and looks
much like the one we have in the current house.

All guessing at the moment, trying to work out if it would be an urgent
replacement or good for a couple of years more.

Well its only urgent if it does not work at all ;-)

Until then, you may as well leave it alone, unless its too weedy in
terms of available power.

Yeah.

It is the "failed twice in 8 months" according to the tenants which is the
main concern.

Winter is not the time to have the boiler fail.
Better to replace it in the summer.



Cheers



Dave R


--
AMD FX-6300 in GA-990X-Gaming SLI-CF running Windows 7 Pro x64

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

On 11 Apr 2018 06:48:21 GMT
David wrote:

It is the "failed twice in 8 months" according to the tenants which
is the main concern.

That depends very much on the particular faults - it could have been
something simple and trivial to DIY fix. Sight of the bills might be
enlightening (or the engineer might have made a small job into a big
one).

On 11/04/2018 17:05, Rob Morley wrote:
That depends very much on the particular faults - it could have been
something simple and trivial to DIY fix. Sight of the bills might be
enlightening (or the engineer might have made a small job into a big
one).

The guy who mends a boiler is not an engineer. That's the guy who
designed it.

Andy
--
Masculine gender includes the feminine...