Hi
Father-in-law has a Neff oven. I replaced the heating element a year or
so ago and all has been well since.
Now he tells me that when he turns the oven on, it heats up but cuts out
and won't heat up again until cold. So it cycles cold-hot-cold-etc.
My theory is that the thermocouple is faulty (always on) and there is an
over temperature cutout that kicks in when it gets hot. Would this sound
the likely cause?
If so, is there a way to test this? I guess I could set the oven to a
low temp and then see if it heats up to max.
Or is there another likely cause?
Ta.

On Friday, 23 February 2018 22:59:34 UTC, Grumps wrote:
Hi
Father-in-law has a Neff oven. I replaced the heating element a year or
so ago and all has been well since.
Now he tells me that when he turns the oven on, it heats up but cuts out
and won't heat up again until cold. So it cycles cold-hot-cold-etc.
My theory is that the thermocouple is faulty (always on) and there is an
over temperature cutout that kicks in when it gets hot. Would this sound
the likely cause?
If so, is there a way to test this? I guess I could set the oven to a
low temp and then see if it heats up to max.
Or is there another likely cause?
Ta.

stick a thermometer in it & observe


NT

Is it one of these modern digital control things with a screen? many of
these seem to have module death.
I hate modern appliances, it was so simple in the good old days.
Brian

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On Friday, 23 February 2018 22:59:34 UTC, Grumps wrote:
Hi
Father-in-law has a Neff oven. I replaced the heating element a year or
so ago and all has been well since.
Now he tells me that when he turns the oven on, it heats up but cuts out
and won't heat up again until cold. So it cycles cold-hot-cold-etc.
My theory is that the thermocouple is faulty (always on) and there is an
over temperature cutout that kicks in when it gets hot. Would this sound
the likely cause?
If so, is there a way to test this? I guess I could set the oven to a
low temp and then see if it heats up to max.
Or is there another likely cause?
Ta.

stick a thermometer in it & observe


NT

In message , Brian Gaff
writes

I hate modern appliances, it was so simple in the good old days.

Tell me about it. I drove to Glasgow and back yesterday, 130 miles each
way, and during the journey, wanted to fiddle with the radio and the
heater controls while driving. Utterly impossible without taking eyes
from the road, yet in days of old when heaters had dials and levers
connected to cables, everything could be done by feel. Same with the
radio - turn one knob to adjust the volume, the other to tune. Simple.
Now, push buttons with menus. Progress?
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Graeme

On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 10:52:50 +0000, Graeme
wrote:

In message , Brian Gaff
writes

I hate modern appliances, it was so simple in the good old days.

Tell me about it. I drove to Glasgow and back yesterday, 130 miles each
way,

Was that to get eggs, bread and milk? Our daughter lived in Castle
Douglas for 6 months and it was a 50 mile round trip to get to any
civilisation (Dumfries)! ;-)

and during the journey, wanted to fiddle with the radio and the
heater controls while driving. Utterly impossible without taking eyes
from the road, yet in days of old when heaters had dials and levers
connected to cables, everything could be done by feel.

It's funny, I was thinking the exact same just last night, after
driving a different car for a while yesterday then back in ours in the
night. And you only have to touch the volume control to have it deafen
you ... I wonder who worked that particular user interface out. ;-(

Same with the
radio - turn one knob to adjust the volume, the other to tune. Simple.

I think that may depend on your needs. If you generally keep your
radio on one station, it probably doesn't matter how that happens
(analogue tuning knob / preset etc). If you typically only listen to a
few stations, they may be covered by the straight presets. After that,
of if outside your preferred station range you either have to
repeatedly press 'Scan' (or whatever) or twiddle the knob until you
get to or find something you like ... I'm not sure if either solution
has an advantage in that case other than the analogue one might be a
bit more 'reactive'?

Now, push buttons with menus. Progress?

Often way to many (and confusing) options for 'most people'.

It does seem quite common to find a UI that doesn't seem to have been
designed for any real world usage (technically or functionally, like
the use of a menu on a radio in a car) ... with important and rarely
used features all sitting at the same level ... and then features
under menus that don't seen to have any relevance.

A good UI should be logical, easy and intuitive.

That said, it's obvious that different people think, use or are
experienced with things working a particular way, where I don't find
the Apple UI particularly intuitive when it's supposed to be 'known'
for being that?

It's like that 'Eldy' (?) desktop front end designed for older people
(or no PC literate anyway) where if you wanted to send an email it
worked more like a proper letter, first getting you to write what you
wanted to say, *then* choosing the recipient and then sending.

It was a bit like early Word Perfect versus Wordstar, where WP was
aimed at secretaries and WS at 'engineers' (and I preferred WS of
course). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 24/02/2018 10:52, Graeme wrote:
In message , Brian Gaff
writes

I hate modern appliances, it was so simple in the good old days.

Tell me about it.Â* I drove to Glasgow and back yesterday, 130 miles each
way, and during the journey, wanted to fiddle with the radio and the
heater controls while driving.Â* Utterly impossible without taking eyes
from the road, yet in days of old when heaters had dials and levers
connected to cables, everything could be done by feel.Â* Same with the
radio - turn one knob to adjust the volume, the other to tune.Â* Simple.
Now, push buttons with menus.Â* Progress?

The radio etc in my new car stopped producing any sound. I had to stop
at a service station and then switch off the ignition before I could get
it to work again. One of mu irritations is that the odometer reading is
only shown when the ignition is off.


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Michael Chare

On 24/02/2018 22:19, Michael Chare wrote:

The radio etc in my new car stopped producing any sound. I had to stop
at a service station and then switch off the ignition before I could get
it to work again. One of mu irritations is that the odometer reading is
only shown when the ignition is off.




I could be worse. Imaging a radio you could not turn off and Chris Evans
was on.

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Adam

On Friday, 23 February 2018 23:34:50 UTC, NT wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 22:59:34 UTC, Grumps wrote:

Hi
Father-in-law has a Neff oven. I replaced the heating element a year or
so ago and all has been well since.
Now he tells me that when he turns the oven on, it heats up but cuts out
and won't heat up again until cold. So it cycles cold-hot-cold-etc.
My theory is that the thermocouple is faulty (always on) and there is an
over temperature cutout that kicks in when it gets hot. Would this sound
the likely cause?
If so, is there a way to test this? I guess I could set the oven to a
low temp and then see if it heats up to max.
Or is there another likely cause?
Ta.

stick a thermometer in it & observe


NT

Or set it to high & low temps, timing it from stone cold to cutting out each time


NT

Grumps wrote:
Hi
Father-in-law has a Neff oven. I replaced the heating element a year or
so ago and all has been well since.
Now he tells me that when he turns the oven on, it heats up but cuts out
and won't heat up again until cold. So it cycles cold-hot-cold-etc.
My theory is that the thermocouple is faulty (always on) and there is an
over temperature cutout that kicks in when it gets hot. Would this sound
the likely cause?
If so, is there a way to test this? I guess I could set the oven to a
low temp and then see if it heats up to max.
Or is there another likely cause?
Ta.


Is it a fan oven? My guess is that the fan motor has failed (or is failing)
and that a safety cutout if coming into action.

Tim

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On 24/02/2018 08:51, Tim+ wrote:
Grumps wrote:
Hi
Father-in-law has a Neff oven. I replaced the heating element a year or
so ago and all has been well since.
Now he tells me that when he turns the oven on, it heats up but cuts out
and won't heat up again until cold. So it cycles cold-hot-cold-etc.
My theory is that the thermocouple is faulty (always on) and there is an
over temperature cutout that kicks in when it gets hot. Would this sound
the likely cause?
If so, is there a way to test this? I guess I could set the oven to a
low temp and then see if it heats up to max.
Or is there another likely cause?
Ta.


Is it a fan oven? My guess is that the fan motor has failed (or is failing)
and that a safety cutout if coming into action.

Tim

Apparently the fan is working OK.
I have an oven thermometer so will take a look tomorrow.

Grumps wrote:
Hi
Father-in-law has a Neff oven.

Well that's a bad start.

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Chris Green
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