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OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this
forum  I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew |
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On Tuesday, 13 February 2018 19:53:16 UTC, Andrew Mawson wrote:
OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=2599 NT |
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... On Tuesday, 13 February 2018 19:53:16 UTC, Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=2599 NT Thank you, but Google found me that page yesterday, and every link in it is broken  Andrew |
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On 13/02/18 20:05, Andrew Mawson wrote:
wrote in message ... On Tuesday, 13 February 2018 19:53:16 UTC, Andrew MawsonÂ* wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also hasÂ* CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/mix_entry.php?id=2599 NT Thank you, but Google found me that page yesterday, and every link in it is broken Andrew YOur problem is more hardware than software. If you meant a 3.5" floppy, get a USB 3.5" drive from currys (etc) https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/comput...77724-pdt.html You can read the data straight into that Compac DC7600... Whether the Compac will ruun freeDos or whatever and actually be able to use it is another matter -- Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. Mark Twain |
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On 13/02/2018 19:54, Andrew Mawson wrote:
OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also hasÂ* CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Your best bet might be to install a network card, SCSI or failing that parallel port or serial port data xfer software. I used to have a DOS based CD writer that was SCSI based and drivers that might work with modern kit are still around. Mine has long since worn out. Panasonic did some exotic SCSI PD drives that were not CDs but were writeable. They might be your best bet on that vintage of kit if you can find one. https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/n...ridge.3213148/ Follow the links and pray. How much are you prepared to pay for legacy kit that might solve this problem? It will be rare and expensive. DOSREF on Simtel if it is still there might contain some pointers too. Getting it to work today even if you find all the bits will be a PITA. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 13/02/18 19:54, Andrew Mawson wrote:
OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also hasÂ* CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! I would be seriouldsly tempted to fit an ethernet card to that DOS6 machine. http://www.pld.ttu.ee/~priidu/library/net/trumpet.html is some basic software you can use to talk TCP Of you have a serial port on the machine, then its possible that some fule transfer over serial software might work, too Alternatively I'd be tempted to run iup a basic LINUX machine and remove the the hard drive from the PC and install it in the LINIUC machine top retroeve the data. If the data only exists on a 4.5" floppy, then you are probably shafted as it would probably me the only example of a 4.5" dloppy in the world OIf its on a 3.5" floppy use linux on an old machine that can boot from DVD and also run a floppy as well YOu will not find a DVD unit that works with DOS - Dos predates the DVD by years. Ditto USB Andrew -- "The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll look exactly the same afterwards." Billy Connolly |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news  On 13/02/18 19:54, Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! I would be seriouldsly tempted to fit an ethernet card to that DOS6 machine. http://www.pld.ttu.ee/~priidu/library/net/trumpet.html is some basic software you can use to talk TCP Of you have a serial port on the machine, then its possible that some fule transfer over serial software might work, too Alternatively I'd be tempted to run iup a basic LINUX machine and remove the the hard drive from the PC and install it in the LINIUC machine top retroeve the data. If the data only exists on a 4.5" floppy, then you are probably shafted as it would probably me the only example of a 4.5" dloppy in the world OIf its on a 3.5" floppy use linux on an old machine that can boot from DVD and also run a floppy as well YOu will not find a DVD unit that works with DOS - Dos predates the DVD by years. Ditto USB Andrew Yes 3.5" Floppy - 4.5" angle grinders on the mind I've already got drivers loaded at boot in autoexec / config.sys letting me read CD / DVD's into the DC7600 but cannot go the other way to save files generated on the CNC lathe. I suppose some sort of dual boot approach might be a goer - can one dual boot DOS 6.22 and say Windoze 7 Pro so win7 can see the DOS files ? Andrew |
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On 13/02/2018 20:49, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher"Â* wrote in message news On 13/02/18 19:54, Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! I would be seriouldsly tempted to fit an ethernet card to that DOS6 machine. http://www.pld.ttu.ee/~priidu/library/net/trumpet.html is some basic software you can use to talk TCP Of you have a serial port on the machine, then its possible that some fule transfer over serial software might work, too Alternatively I'd be tempted to run iup a basic LINUX machine and remove the the hard drive from the PC and install it in the LINIUC machine top retroeve the data. If the data only exists on a 4.5" floppy, then you are probably shafted as it would probably me the only example of a 4.5" dloppy in the world OIf its on a 3.5" floppy use linux on an old machine that can boot from DVD and also run a floppy as well YOu will not find a DVD unit that works with DOS - Dos predates the DVD by years. Ditto USB Andrew Yes 3.5" Floppy - 4.5" angle grinders on the mind I've already got drivers loaded at boot in autoexec / config.sys letting me read CD / DVD's into the DC7600 but cannot go the other way to save files generated on the CNC lathe. I suppose some sort of dual boot approach might be a goer - can one dual boot DOS 6.22 and say Windoze 7 Pro so win7 can see the DOS files ? Andrew yes. |
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On 13/02/2018 19:54, Andrew Mawson wrote:
OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also hasÂ* CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew Boot a live CD disk and use that to copy the files. Maybe put a USB card in and use a flash drive rather than a CD. You can get bootable CDs for linux or windows that will probably work. |
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"dennis@home" Wrote in message:
On 13/02/2018 19:54, Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew Boot a live CD disk and use that to copy the files. Maybe put a USB card in and use a flash drive rather than a CD. You can get bootable CDs for linux or windows that will probably work. How much ram & other resources does a dos6.22 violence have Dennis? Which version of Linux would you recommend? -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 13/02/2018 21:11, jim wrote:
"dennis@home" Wrote in message: On 13/02/2018 19:54, Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew Boot a live CD disk and use that to copy the files. Maybe put a USB card in and use a flash drive rather than a CD. You can get bootable CDs for linux or windows that will probably work. How much ram & other resources does a dos6.22 violence have Dennis? I have no idea how violent it is. Which version of Linux would you recommend? I'd try this first https://livecdlist.com/systemrescuecd/ |
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"Andrew Mawson" Wrote in
message: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew Null modem cable? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_modem -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:54:12 +0000, Andrew Mawson wrote:
OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! The easiest way to go would be to pull out the hard disk drive and attach it to the SFF PC via an IDE to USB adapter (dongle with its own 12v/5v PSU brick or else utilise a long since retired USB IDE HDD enclosure, also with its own PSU - there may well be a few of the latter gathering dust somewhere about the premises). I rather doubt the drive will be so ancient as to need a two cable Shugart connection or the even rarer single cable ESDI connection and SCSI seems a less likely alternative to the 40 wire ATA (IDE) interface (do-able but a damn sight more expensive than IDE) so the chance of the drive being an IDE type for which you can still get hold of IDE to USB adapters with relative ease is pretty high. Obviously, you need to verify which interface is used by the internal drive before embarking on a "Beg, borrow or steal" odyssey for an IDE to USB adapter of one sort or another. You can post more details, if the internal HDD *isn't* the more usual IDE type, for further suggestions and guidance. -- Johnny B Good |
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"Johnny B Good" wrote in message ...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:54:12 +0000, Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! The easiest way to go would be to pull out the hard disk drive and attach it to the SFF PC via an IDE to USB adapter (dongle with its own 12v/5v PSU brick or else utilise a long since retired USB IDE HDD enclosure, also with its own PSU - there may well be a few of the latter gathering dust somewhere about the premises). I rather doubt the drive will be so ancient as to need a two cable Shugart connection or the even rarer single cable ESDI connection and SCSI seems a less likely alternative to the 40 wire ATA (IDE) interface (do-able but a damn sight more expensive than IDE) so the chance of the drive being an IDE type for which you can still get hold of IDE to USB adapters with relative ease is pretty high. Obviously, you need to verify which interface is used by the internal drive before embarking on a "Beg, borrow or steal" odyssey for an IDE to USB adapter of one sort or another. You can post more details, if the internal HDD *isn't* the more usual IDE type, for further suggestions and guidance. It's a SATA drive in the DC7600 but continuously pulling it out is not an option - the PC will be buried in the bowels of the machine. It has numerous USB connections and a 10/100 network port but it was previously running Win 7 pro and has been 'down graded' to DOS 6.22 to replace the original Viglen that is on its last legs. The various ports are there - the issue is driving them under DOS ! Andrew |
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On Tuesday, 13 February 2018 22:09:10 UTC, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Johnny B Good" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:54:12 +0000, Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! The easiest way to go would be to pull out the hard disk drive and attach it to the SFF PC via an IDE to USB adapter (dongle with its own 12v/5v PSU brick or else utilise a long since retired USB IDE HDD enclosure, also with its own PSU - there may well be a few of the latter gathering dust somewhere about the premises). I rather doubt the drive will be so ancient as to need a two cable Shugart connection or the even rarer single cable ESDI connection and SCSI seems a less likely alternative to the 40 wire ATA (IDE) interface (do-able but a damn sight more expensive than IDE) so the chance of the drive being an IDE type for which you can still get hold of IDE to USB adapters with relative ease is pretty high. Obviously, you need to verify which interface is used by the internal drive before embarking on a "Beg, borrow or steal" odyssey for an IDE to USB adapter of one sort or another. You can post more details, if the internal HDD *isn't* the more usual IDE type, for further suggestions and guidance. It's a SATA drive in the DC7600 but continuously pulling it out is not an option - the PC will be buried in the bowels of the machine. It has numerous USB connections and a 10/100 network port but it was previously running Win 7 pro and has been 'down graded' to DOS 6.22 to replace the original Viglen that is on its last legs. The various ports are there - the issue is driving them under DOS ! Andrew Why don't you run win98 then? There's plenty of relevant software for it. It needs a lot of 3rd party patches installing, including one to run with 500M RAM, one to access 128G HDD, sane usb support etc. If you can run your app under a dos box wile running 98, all your options are open.... so I suspect you can't. If it's for factory production, I can quite see why you wouldn't want 98. 95 is pretty stable. NT |
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On 13/02/2018 22:09, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Johnny B Good"Â* wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:54:12 +0000, Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also hasÂ* CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! The easiest way to go would be to pull out the hard disk drive and attach it to the SFF PC via an IDE to USB adapter (dongle with its own 12v/5v PSU brick or else utilise a long since retired USB IDE HDD enclosure, also with its own PSU - there may well be a few of the latter gathering dust somewhere about the premises). I rather doubt the drive will be so ancient as to need a two cable Shugart connection or the even rarer single cable ESDI connection and SCSI seems a less likely alternative to the 40 wire ATA (IDE) interface (do-able but a damn sight more expensive than IDE) so the chance of the drive being an IDE type for which you can still get hold of IDE to USB adapters with relative ease is pretty high. Obviously, you need to verify which interface is used by the internal drive before embarking on a "Beg, borrow or steal" odyssey for an IDE to USB adapter of one sort or another. You can post more details, if the internal HDD *isn't* the more usual IDE type, for further suggestions and guidance. It's a SATA drive in the DC7600 but continuously pulling it out is not an option - the PC will be buried in the bowels of the machine. It has numerous USB connections and a 10/100 network port but it was previously running Win 7 pro and has been 'down graded' to DOS 6.22 to replace the original Viglen that is on its last legs. The various ports are there - the issue is driving them under DOS ! All you need then is the legacy driver for the 10/100 network port. Find a suitable SCSI card and driver and you have another way out. Or if you must a dual boot scenario. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 22:09:12 +0000, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Johnny B Good" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:54:12 +0000, Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 3.5" Floppy for a Compaq DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! The easiest way to go would be to pull out the hard disk drive and attach it to the SFF PC via an IDE to USB adapter (dongle with its own 12v/5v PSU brick or else utilise a long since retired USB IDE HDD enclosure, also with its own PSU - there may well be a few of the latter gathering dust somewhere about the premises). I rather doubt the drive will be so ancient as to need a two cable Shugart connection or the even rarer single cable ESDI connection and SCSI seems a less likely alternative to the 40 wire ATA (IDE) interface (do-able but a damn sight more expensive than IDE) so the chance of the drive being an IDE type for which you can still get hold of IDE to USB adapters with relative ease is pretty high. Obviously, you need to verify which interface is used by the internal drive before embarking on a "Beg, borrow or steal" odyssey for an IDE to USB adapter of one sort or another. You can post more details, if the internal HDD *isn't* the more usual IDE type, for further suggestions and guidance. It's a SATA drive in the DC7600 but continuously pulling it out is not an option - the PC will be buried in the bowels of the machine. It has numerous USB connections and a 10/100 network port but it was previously running Win 7 pro and has been 'down graded' to DOS 6.22 to replace the original Viglen that is on its last legs. The various ports are there - the issue is driving them under DOS ! Sorry, I missed the significance of your "NB" statement, thinking you were still referring to the old Viglen rather than the new SFF Compaq PC. Incidentally, you missed the significance that I was referring to the old Viglen's HDD. I wasn't suggesting you remove the drive from the newer machine. However, all that aside, I think, as others have suggested, that a null modem cable be used to link the *both* MSDOS 6.22 machines and install a small serial file transfer program on each machine. There are several to choose from (interlink, laplink and fastlyinx to name but three). I did a search expecting to find plenty of freeware versions but I mostly landed up on sites offering much later versions that weren't free or shareware. The I added "abandonware" to my search phrase which led me to sites requiring registration just to download my chosen "Abandonware" but I did land up on one that didn't insist on registration of any sort so was able to download a tiny programme called "interlink" as a 35KB zip file containing 55KB's worth in four files just to test the download and take a peek at the files. Whilst there, a utility called "Miracle-driver" caught my attention since it was described as:- "Miracle-driver from Japan does the unthinkable, allows USB peripherals to be accessed from the DOS command line. 32 KB" The download is a 32KB zip file containing 3 .sys files named di1000dd.sys, usbaspi.sys and usbcd.sys. Maybe this will support flash thumb drives although it looks more like driver support for USB CDROM and CD writer drives to me. Anyhow, you're welcome to the link to this site's downloads page. http://www.pcxt-micro.com/download.html -- Johnny B Good |
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On 14/02/2018 00:17, Johnny B Good wrote:
I did a search expecting to find plenty of freeware versions but I mostly landed up on sites offering much later versions that weren't free or shareware. The I added "abandonware" to my search phrase which led me to sites requiring registration just to download my chosen "Abandonware" but I did land up on one that didn't insist on registration of any sort so was able to download a tiny programme called "interlink" as a 35KB zip file containing 55KB's worth in four files just to test the download and take a peek at the files. FWIW I probably still have an original set of Laplink III disks I could zip/make an image of if anyone needs it. (probably even got the original "hydra" laplink cable as well somewhere!) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 13/02/2018 22:09, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Johnny B Good" wrote in message ... On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:54:12 +0000, Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! The easiest way to go would be to pull out the hard disk drive and attach it to the SFF PC via an IDE to USB adapter (dongle with its own 12v/5v PSU brick or else utilise a long since retired USB IDE HDD enclosure, also with its own PSU - there may well be a few of the latter gathering dust somewhere about the premises). I rather doubt the drive will be so ancient as to need a two cable Shugart connection or the even rarer single cable ESDI connection and SCSI seems a less likely alternative to the 40 wire ATA (IDE) interface (do-able but a damn sight more expensive than IDE) so the chance of the drive being an IDE type for which you can still get hold of IDE to USB adapters with relative ease is pretty high. Obviously, you need to verify which interface is used by the internal drive before embarking on a "Beg, borrow or steal" odyssey for an IDE to USB adapter of one sort or another. You can post more details, if the internal HDD *isn't* the more usual IDE type, for further suggestions and guidance. It's a SATA drive in the DC7600 but continuously pulling it out is not an option - the PC will be buried in the bowels of the machine. It has numerous USB connections and a 10/100 network port but it was previously running Win 7 pro and has been 'down graded' to DOS 6.22 to replace the original Viglen that is on its last legs. The various ports are there - the issue is driving them under DOS ! For clarification, which machine are you trying to write CDs from? the old viglen, or the new SFF box? (I got the impression this was a "one off" bulk shift of data from the old box). -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"John Rumm" wrote in message
... For clarification, which machine are you trying to write CDs from? the old viglen, or the new SFF box? (I got the impression this was a "one off" bulk shift of data from the old box). John I already have transferred the old (1995) software by painful floppy ! The new machine (Compac DC7600) is up and running the software though not yet driving the machine What I'm trying to set up to do is generate CD's on the lathe to archive (or off machine modify) parts programs, tool lists, operation sequences etc Andrew |
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On 14/02/18 12:51, John Rumm wrote:
(I got the impression this was a "one off" bulk shift of data from the old box). Me too, but its seems not -- "If you dont read the news paper, you are un-informed. If you read the news paper, you are mis-informed." Mark Twain |
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Andrew Mawson wrote:
OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew Do you think you could run this in a VM? You might try Disk2VHD, which would at least give you a copy of the whole thing to play with. The VHD can then be opened in something like 7zip, and individual files transferred, if you don't want to try to boot it up in a VM. |
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:45:45 +0000, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew Do you think you could run this in a VM? You might try Disk2VHD, which would at least give you a copy of the whole thing to play with. The VHD can then be opened in something like 7zip, and individual files transferred, if you don't want to try to boot it up in a VM. How does this help him WRITE a CD? -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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"Bob Eager" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:45:45 +0000, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew Do you think you could run this in a VM? You might try Disk2VHD, which would at least give you a copy of the whole thing to play with. The VHD can then be opened in something like 7zip, and individual files transferred, if you don't want to try to boot it up in a VM. How does this help him WRITE a CD? Many thanks for the various replies. I have already backed up the original Viglen PC that runs DOS 6.2 using MSBACKUP (13 Floppies) and restored them to the replacement Compac DC7600 by loading the 6.2 version of MSBACKUP onto the DC7600 (as the 6.2 and 6.22 versions aren't compatible !!!!) The DC7600 is up and running, I've put drivers in the autoexec & config.sys to allow me to READ CDs - The issue is I want to be able to WRITE CDs on the DC7600 when it's been embedded into the CNC Lathe to replace the Viglen - this is to be able to transfer files easily in the future for both backup reasons, and also to transfer part programs that have been created on the lathe. Johnny - B -Good thanks for that link as the USB ports would be handy also Andrew |
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On 14/02/18 08:08, Andrew Mawson wrote:
The issue is I want to be able to WRITE CDs on the DC7600 when it's been embedded into the CNC Lathe to replace the Viglen - this is to be able to transfer files easily in the future for both backup reasons, and also to transfer part programs that have been created on the lathe. Ah. Finally the context emerges. Honestly your best bet may be to run the DOS in a VM and use the actual host system to do the DVD burning. BUT if you must.,.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCvSp1Ea-YM seems to show that some sort of CD-ROM driver exists for DOS 6.22 - you could try that - but it may be read only. http://www.intelliadmin.com/burndisk.exe is a DOS executable that can burn CDs/DVDS see http://www.intelliadmin.com/index.ph...-command-line/ But it expects a windows 7 subsystem... In short you could waste a lot of time and get nowhere. Seriusly, how does the PC communicate with the lathe? I would really be thinking that virtualbox running DOS is the way to go...and some kind of access to the host file system from there. https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=47461 shows how to access a samba server on the host machine, which is a snap if the host is running Linux. It should work with 'windows shares' on the host too, or on a remote machine if the PC is networked. None of this is simple. Another option might be to run DOSBOX. http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Basic_Set...tion_of_DosBox My inclinations since I cut mt teeth on networking DOS would bve a linux host running samba, and a DOS VM with networking code inside it to mount directories on the host system. But thats just me. DOSBOX looks like an option too. -- Future generations will wonder in bemused amazement that the early twenty-first centurys developed world went into hysterical panic over a globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and, on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to contemplate a rollback of the industrial age. Richard Lindzen |
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On 14/02/2018 08:57, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 14/02/18 08:08, Andrew Mawson wrote: The issue is I want to be able to WRITE CDs on the DC7600 when it's been embedded into the CNC Lathe to replace the Viglen - this is to be able to transfer files easily in the future for both backup reasons, and also to transfer part programs that have been created on the lathe. Ah. Finally the context emerges. Honestly your best bet may be to run the DOS in a VM and use the actual host system to do the DVD burning. I expect the reason it has to be MSDOS 6.x is that there are real mode peeky pokey drivers that prod some custom interface hardware directly. I am fairly sure that DOS software to write CDs and the even earlier Panasonic proprietary PD disks was available in the dim and distant past back when they were expensive SCSI based peripherals. Secondhand SCSI writers are still available but finding a set of the drivers and shims to make it all work today on DOS might be something of a challenge. It might be easier to find a printer port based ZIP device of that era complete with a set of MDDOS drivers on eBay. BUT if you must.,.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCvSp1Ea-YM seems to show that some sort of CD-ROM driver exists for DOS 6.22 - you could try that - but it may be read only. http://www.intelliadmin.com/burndisk.exe is a DOS executable that can burn CDs/DVDS see http://www.intelliadmin.com/index.ph...-command-line/ But it expects a windows 7 subsystem... In short you could waste a lot of time and get nowhere. Seriusly, how does the PC communicate with the lathe? I would really be thinking that virtualbox running DOS is the way to go...and some kind of access to the host file system from there. https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=47461 shows how to access a samba server on the host machine, which is a snap if the host is running Linux. It should work with 'windows shares' on the host too, or on a remote machine if the PC is networked. Getting the network card to behave on the embedded box and then using network shares might be the least difficult way out. The external PC can run a modern OS that handles the backup process. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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Finally the context emerges. I am very grateful for your (and everyone else's) help, BUT I think that is a bit unfair - I said in the original post: "I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine " http://www.intelliadmin.com/burndisk.exe is a DOS executable that can burn CDs/DVDS Sadly burndisk.exe will NOT run under DOS reporting "This program cannot be run in DOS mode" I down loaded it a few days ago But as I said - I am very grateful for your help . . . . . . Andrew |
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 08:08:07 -0000, "Andrew Mawson"
wrote: snip The issue is I want to be able to WRITE CDs on the DC7600 when it's been embedded into the CNC Lathe to replace the Viglen - this is to be able to transfer files easily in the future for both backup reasons, and also to transfer part programs that have been created on the lathe. Assuming that PC doesn't come with a floppy drive and a quick look online suggests that they do do one with, you may have made things more difficult than you meant buy not getting a PC without a floppy drive or at least a bay for one? However, there are still loads of modernish PC's available second hand for next to nothing that come with a 3.5" floppy drive and you know it would 'just work' OOTB. ;-) If you did want to back stuff up now and again then booting a USB Linux image and writing stuff to CD / DVD or booting from a Linux DVD and writing to USB should be easy. I have setup such a machine (granite worktop CNC router) and am aware for production work it really needs to be KISS. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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"T i m" wrote in message ...
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 08:08:07 -0000, "Andrew Mawson" wrote: snip The issue is I want to be able to WRITE CDs on the DC7600 when it's been embedded into the CNC Lathe to replace the Viglen - this is to be able to transfer files easily in the future for both backup reasons, and also to transfer part programs that have been created on the lathe. Assuming that PC doesn't come with a floppy drive and a quick look online suggests that they do do one with, you may have made things more difficult than you meant buy not getting a PC without a floppy drive or at least a bay for one? However, there are still loads of modernish PC's available second hand for next to nothing that come with a 3.5" floppy drive and you know it would 'just work' OOTB. ;-) If you did want to back stuff up now and again then booting a USB Linux image and writing stuff to CD / DVD or booting from a Linux DVD and writing to USB should be easy. I have setup such a machine (granite worktop CNC router) and am aware for production work it really needs to be KISS. ;-) Cheers, T i m Tim, I deliberately chose a DC7600 (off my pile of them !) that DOES have a floppy facia and drive as well as the normal CD/DVD one, so I do have the option of floppy transfer but it's a pain. Sadly all my adventures running Linux have ended with much confusion and a splitting headache The thought of booting some operating system from a USB stick that will allow me to see the DOS files on the C: drive and write CDs though does sound quite possible Andrew |
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 08:08:07 +0000, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Bob Eager" wrote in message ... On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:45:45 +0000, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew Do you think you could run this in a VM? You might try Disk2VHD, which would at least give you a copy of the whole thing to play with. The VHD can then be opened in something like 7zip, and individual files transferred, if you don't want to try to boot it up in a VM. How does this help him WRITE a CD? Many thanks for the various replies. I have already backed up the original Viglen PC that runs DOS 6.2 using MSBACKUP (13 Floppies) Ouch! and restored them to the replacement Compac DC7600 by loading the 6.2 version of MSBACKUP onto the DC7600 (as the 6.2 and 6.22 versions aren't compatible !!!!) How? According to the specs for that machine, it doesn't have a floppy disk drive - please explain. The DC7600 is up and running, I've put drivers in the autoexec & config.sys to allow me to READ CDs - Ok so far... If there are DOS based versions of CD writing software still available, installing such would be the next step since they often included the necessary dos CD writing driver support files. You might still have a problem finding a dos compatible driver for the existing CD writer though so you might have to resort to locating an older model of writer that does have dos driver support (and that may still leave you having to scrabble around for CD writing software that supports your chosen CD writer). You may yet have a lot more googling to do before you solve that problem (or you just might strike it lucky first go). The issue is I want to be able to WRITE CDs on the DC7600 when it's been embedded into the CNC Lathe to replace the Viglen - this is to be able to transfer files easily in the future for both backup reasons, and also to transfer part programs that have been created on the lathe. That's a curious expression ("embedded into", that is). is that CNC Manufacturer-speak for "Linked up to the PC", via some sort of communication cable that uses an existing serial or parallel port or else a SCSI or proprietary adapter installed into one of the expansion slots in the Viglen? If the connection is via a standard serial port, that makes the virtual machine option a "No-Brainer"(tm) since, as Dan has pointed out, you can share folders read/write between the VM guest and the host OS which has USB pen drive and CDRW and network support to satisfy your need to transfer data to other machine almost any way you care to choose. The answer to that question will have a profound effect on your choice of solution. Likewise regarding the basic specs of the original Viglen setup such as ram size etc. Johnny - B -Good thanks for that link as the USB ports would be handy also It would be nice if it works but, unfortunately, no guarantees on this. However, since it's such a tiny download, it's worth giving it a shot. -- Johnny B Good |
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Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:45:45 +0000, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew Do you think you could run this in a VM? You might try Disk2VHD, which would at least give you a copy of the whole thing to play with. The VHD can then be opened in something like 7zip, and individual files transferred, if you don't want to try to boot it up in a VM. How does this help him WRITE a CD? I thought he was only looking for a way to get data from the disk. |
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On 14/02/18 08:39, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
Bob Eager wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:45:45 +0000, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also hasÂ* CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew Do you think you could run this in a VM?Â* You might try Disk2VHD, which would at least give you a copy of the whole thing to play with.Â* The VHD can then be opened in something like 7zip, and individual files transferred, if you don't want to try to boot it up in a VM. How does this help him WRITE a CD? I thought he was only looking for a way to get data from the disk. Yeah. As usual what the OP really wants only emerges after a load of wasted suggestions It does seem to me that since the new machine has an ethernet interface, getting TCP/IP working on the DOS is probvaly the easiest way to push files off it. http://californiasoftwaresystems.com/ts/tcp-ip/ seems to be aimed at this sport of case. The more I see what te situation is the more I tend tiowqwrds any solution BUT using the DVD drive from DOS. I think my two front runners are to get raw TCP/IP and netbios working on the bare bones DOS machine OR use a fully functional host operating system anbd run DOSBOX inside that. -- I would rather have questions that cannot be answered... ....than to have answers that cannot be questioned Richard Feynman |
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On 14/02/18 09:05, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 14/02/18 08:39, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: Bob Eager wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:45:45 +0000, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also hasÂ* CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew Do you think you could run this in a VM?Â* You might try Disk2VHD, which would at least give you a copy of the whole thing to play with.Â* The VHD can then be opened in something like 7zip, and individual files transferred, if you don't want to try to boot it up in a VM. How does this help him WRITE a CD? I thought he was only looking for a way to get data from the disk. Yeah. As usual what the OP really wants only emerges after a load of wasted suggestions It does seem to me that since the new machine has an ethernet interface, getting TCP/IP working on the DOS is probvaly the easiest way to push files off it. http://californiasoftwaresystems.com/ts/tcp-ip/ seems to be aimed at this sport of case. The more I see what te situation is the more I tend tiowqwrds any solution BUT using the DVD drive from DOS. I think my two front runners are to get raw TCP/IP and netbios working on the bare bones DOS machine OR useÂ* a fully functional host operating system anbd run DOSBOX inside that. http://www.kompx.com/en/network-setu...ork-client.htm actually HAS the two disk images needed to install client TCPIP on DOS. You will need NDIS drivers to suit the ethernet interface in the machine - I assume it is an intel chipset on the motherboard... https://downloadcenter.intel.com/dow...rs-for-MS-DOS- Once you have network mapped drives the issue of file transfer goes away. -- Its easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. Mark Twain |
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Yeah. As usual what the OP really wants only emerges after a load of wasted suggestions I really do think the requirement was clearly stated in the original post. Perhaps you missed that one ? Andrew |
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 08:39:12 +0000, Dan S. MacAbre wrote:
Bob Eager wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:45:45 +0000, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew Do you think you could run this in a VM? You might try Disk2VHD, which would at least give you a copy of the whole thing to play with. The VHD can then be opened in something like 7zip, and individual files transferred, if you don't want to try to boot it up in a VM. How does this help him WRITE a CD? I thought he was only looking for a way to get data from the disk. Me too! However, between his OP and further follow ups to the group, I gather that what he's after is a means of exchanging data between the SFF upon which he has resurrected the OS and apps that had been running on a dying Viglen, and other more modern PCs via CD-R media. Intrigued by how he was able to install MSDOS 6.22, which is normally distributed on three 1.44MB floppy disks, onto the SFF which, as I expected, doesn't have a built in FDD, I googled for the specs. Although it lacks most things, it claims to possess a SATA II 16x DVD re-writer/48 speed CD re-writer *and* an IDE CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo drive. Being a SFF, I wouldn't have expected it to sport even an ATA(IDE) connector, let alone an FDD header but, only after scrolling down a very long page of confusing specifications, it appears amazingly enough, to include an ATA (IDE) header (although still no FDD header). He didn't explain how he managed to install MSDOS 6.22 onto a floppyless PC nor how he transferred the software over, so one is left to assume that he cloned the HDD from the Viglen to the 80GB SATA HDD in the HP/ Compaq SFF machine, relying on the BIOS setting to configure the SATA ports into IDE compatability mode, or else he's just simply moved the drive from out of the old Viglen into the new machine and simply configured it to boot from that. Without such details, it was all but impossible to properly understand why he needed help in getting a CD Re-writer to function as a writer under MSDOS 6.22 . The CDROM aspect is covered by the basic DOS ATAPI driver files which I think may have been available on the installation floppies by then - it *was* a long time ago since I last used MSDOS 6.22 (and even longer since MSDOS 3.30)! I can't recall whether CDROM burning software became available before windows 95 arrived on the scene so I can't definitively say that such DOS only CDROM burning software ever existed. A better option might be USB flash media as the basis for his "Sneakernet"(tm) method of data exchange or, better still, and more likely, a network adapter using DOS drivers which were still being supplied even with Fast ethernet PCI adapters. Although the built in LAN port is Gigabit Ethernet, there might still be DOS driver software available for the ethernet chip used on the MoBo. Failing that, assuming there's a spare PCI slot - the specs fail to say anything about that- he could fit a fast ethernet adapter that still has dos driver support available as pretty well most did. If he can supply a bit more info on how this PC interfaces to the CNC machine, we might even be able to advise him on setting up virtualisation software[1] running under the SFF's original winXP Host OS (or even under a Linux host), assuming a serial or printer port was used for the CNC interface, which can be passed through[2] to a suitably configured VM clone of the MSDOS 6.22 installation as it was originally set up on the old Viglen. [1] There was no mention in the specs as to whether or not the 64 bit P4 CPU used in the SFF machine, supported hardware virtualisation with Intel's VT-x feature so he might have to use virtualisation software which, like Oracle's free VirtualBox, isn't reliant on such hardware support. Even without the benefit of such hardware support, I'd expect the SFF hosted VM to still be at least an order of magnitude more powerful than the original Viglen machine so shouldn't suffer 'performance issues' in this application. [2] I'm running VirtualBox which, on checking the stopped VMs' configurations, appears to only support Serial Port pass-through. There wasn't an option for parallel ports. However, it might support this in a DOS VM but not having set such a VM up, I have no simple way to verify this. I'd have to trawl through the comprehensive user guide to dig this sort of arcane information out and I'm not about to do so this at this stage of the proceedings. -- Johnny B Good |
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Johnny B Good Wrote in message:
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 08:39:12 +0000, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: Bob Eager wrote: On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 00:45:45 +0000, Dan S. MacAbre wrote: Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew Do you think you could run this in a VM? You might try Disk2VHD, which would at least give you a copy of the whole thing to play with. The VHD can then be opened in something like 7zip, and individual files transferred, if you don't want to try to boot it up in a VM. How does this help him WRITE a CD? I thought he was only looking for a way to get data from the disk. Me too! However, between his OP and further follow ups to the group, I gather that what he's after is a means of exchanging data between the SFF upon which he has resurrected the OS and apps that had been running on a dying Viglen, and other more modern PCs via CD-R media. Intrigued by how he was able to install MSDOS 6.22, which is normally distributed on three 1.44MB floppy disks, onto the SFF which, as I expected, doesn't have a built in FDD, I googled for the specs. Although it lacks most things, it claims to possess a SATA II 16x DVD re-writer/48 speed CD re-writer *and* an IDE CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo drive. Being a SFF, I wouldn't have expected it to sport even an ATA(IDE) connector, let alone an FDD header but, only after scrolling down a very long page of confusing specifications, it appears amazingly enough, to include an ATA (IDE) header (although still no FDD header). He didn't explain how he managed to install MSDOS 6.22 onto a floppyless PC nor how he transferred the software over, so one is left to assume that he cloned the HDD from the Viglen to the 80GB SATA HDD in the HP/ Compaq SFF machine, relying on the BIOS setting to configure the SATA ports into IDE compatability mode, or else he's just simply moved the drive from out of the old Viglen into the new machine and simply configured it to boot from that. Without such details, it was all but impossible to properly understand why he needed help in getting a CD Re-writer to function as a writer under MSDOS 6.22 . The CDROM aspect is covered by the basic DOS ATAPI driver files which I think may have been available on the installation floppies by then - it *was* a long time ago since I last used MSDOS 6.22 (and even longer since MSDOS 3.30)! I can't recall whether CDROM burning software became available before windows 95 arrived on the scene so I can't definitively say that such DOS only CDROM burning software ever existed. A better option might be USB flash media as the basis for his "Sneakernet"(tm) method of data exchange or, better still, and more likely, a network adapter using DOS drivers which were still being supplied even with Fast ethernet PCI adapters. Although the built in LAN port is Gigabit Ethernet, there might still be DOS driver software available for the ethernet chip used on the MoBo. Failing that, assuming there's a spare PCI slot - the specs fail to say anything about that- he could fit a fast ethernet adapter that still has dos driver support available as pretty well most did. If he can supply a bit more info on how this PC interfaces to the CNC machine, we might even be able to advise him on setting up virtualisation software[1] running under the SFF's original winXP Host OS (or even under a Linux host), assuming a serial or printer port was used for the CNC interface, which can be passed through[2] to a suitably configured VM clone of the MSDOS 6.22 installation as it was originally set up on the old Viglen. [1] There was no mention in the specs as to whether or not the 64 bit P4 CPU used in the SFF machine, supported hardware virtualisation with Intel's VT-x feature so he might have to use virtualisation software which, like Oracle's free VirtualBox, isn't reliant on such hardware support. Even without the benefit of such hardware support, I'd expect the SFF hosted VM to still be at least an order of magnitude more powerful than the original Viglen machine so shouldn't suffer 'performance issues' in this application. [2] I'm running VirtualBox which, on checking the stopped VMs' configurations, appears to only support Serial Port pass-through. There wasn't an option for parallel ports. However, it might support this in a DOS VM but not having set such a VM up, I have no simple way to verify this. I'd have to trawl through the comprehensive user guide to dig this sort of arcane information out and I'm not about to do so this at this stage of the proceedings. FFS if you read the thread with half as much effort as you put into these fecking monologues you would already know how the pc communicates with the CNC m/c. -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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"Johnny B Good" wrote in message ...
Andrew Mawson wrote: OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! Andrew If he can supply a bit more info on how this PC interfaces to the CNC machine, we might even be able to advise him on setting up virtualisation software[1] running under the SFF's original winXP Host OS (or even under a Linux host), assuming a serial or printer port was used for the CNC interface, which can be passed through[2] to a suitably configured VM clone of the MSDOS 6.22 installation as it was originally set up on the old Viglen. -- Johnny B Good Johnny, A/ The original Viglen is fully functional but mechanically a write off B/ The Viglen runs DOS 6.2 and has a floppy drive and HDD and two serial ports C/ One serial port is for an operators panel, the other is for the machine CC controller D/ I took an MSBACKUP of the VIGLEN HDD under DOS6.2 on 13 floppies E/ The COMPAC DC7600 SFF was running Windows 7 and has floppy, SATA HDD and CD/DVD writer, one serial port and a network 10/100 port and 4 Gb RAM F/ I Repartitioned and formatted its HDD and loaded DOS 6.22 from the three original Microsoft disks G/ I copied the full DOS 6.2 MSBACKUP suite to a folder on the DC7600 H/ I ran DOS 6.2 MSBACKUP under DOS 6.22 and restored all the VIGLEN files to the DC7600 EXCEPT the DOS folder I/ (You need to know the MSBACKUP 6.22 cannot read MSBACKUP 6.2 floppies) J/ At this stage I had a fully functional DC7600 running DOS 6.22 and the original controller software from the VIGLEN (except it only had one serial port) K/ Being an SFF I needed a small form factor PCI serial card - the only one I could source with DOS drivers was a StarTech PEX2S5521P L/ The machine now has three serial ports and I just need to configure the IRQ to match the original M/ I sourced some DOS drivers for the CR/DVD which allowed me to read but not write CDs N/ This is when I posted asking for assistance for DOS software to WRITE CDs so that the machine files can easily be transferred in future O/ I have (Thanks to TIM) loaded a USB stick with Linux MINT and K3B CD software allowing me not only to boot up MINT and generate CD's but also connect to my network and transfer files that way !!! P/ The only oddity left is that the CDs generated read properly under MINT in the DC7600 and also und WIN7 on another machine but under DOS 6.22 in the DC7600 are rather flaky and rarely read ok. Q/ I am assuming this is due to the DOS drivers I'm using (can't name them at the moment as I'm on a different PC) Thank you all for your assistance but I do feel that some are digging deeper than required - all I was asking was to be able to write CDs under DOS 6.22 so perhaps someone may have know of a DOS application to do this Andrew |
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On 13/02/2018 19:54, Andrew Mawson wrote:
OK wrong forum I know but there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this forum I need some software that will run under DOS 6.22 that will allow me to copy files to a CD/DVD-ROM Drive. This is on a legacy CNC machine - I'm replacing a dying Viglen PC where the only exchangeable media is 4.5" Floppy for a Compac DC7600 SFF PC that I have which also has CD/DVD read / write drive that would be very handy for data exchange. NB this is running genuine DOS 6.22 NOT a DOS window under Windoze ! Any pointers very welcome ! A quick option would be a copy of laplink and a serial or parallel transfer cable. Just suck the files off to a laptop etc. Network card would be another option. Physically accessing the hard drive on another platform may work, but it depends a bit on what disk interface it has. IDE/SCSI should be doable without too much hassle. ST506/ESDI will pose more of a challenge. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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