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I have not walked into a Magnet showroom for 20 or more years. Visited our local one last week and was surprised by the apparent quality of some of their more premium kitchens. Brought home the catalogue and thought nothing more of it. Today I flick through the book and see lots of pictures of dozens of kitchens, but ABSOLUTELY NO BASIC INFORMATION. Basic information such as standard carcass sizes and shape options is utterly absent in both the catalogue and the web. What I want is some simple technical data and what I get is a load of awkward to use "Wizards", and not even the most rudimentary kitchen layout designer page. Are Magnet losing it, or is this simply the way things are in the 21st century? D |
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On 23/01/18 19:18, Vortex12 wrote:
Today I flick through the book and see lots of pictures of dozens of kitchens, but ABSOLUTELY NO BASIC INFORMATION.Â* Basic information such as standard carcass sizes and shape options is utterly absent in both the catalogue and the web. Been standard on car manufacturers websites for years. All websites and brochures are now designed by 'creatives' to be 'content free' but alluring. Since the customers can't think and can't do sums, anything else is a waste. Think of it as a logical extenshun of the stayet edyou cayshun cistem. -- To ban Christmas, simply give turkeys the vote. |
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On 23/01/2018 19:18, Vortex12 wrote:
I have not walked into a Magnet showroom for 20 or more years. Visited our local one last week and was surprised by the apparent quality of some of their more premium kitchens.Â* Brought home the catalogue and thought nothing more of it. Today I flick through the book and see lots of pictures of dozens of kitchens, but ABSOLUTELY NO BASIC INFORMATION.Â* Basic information such as standard carcass sizes and shape options is utterly absent in both the catalogue and the web. What I want is some simple technical data and what I get is a load of awkward to use "Wizards", and not even the most rudimentary kitchen layout designer page. Are Magnet losing it, or is this simply the way things are in the 21st century? Kitchen units tend to come in a number of standard sizes, at least width. Floor units are a standard height (with some adjustment). Wall units can vary - some 'go to the ceiling' (at least in modern houses which lack high ceilings). Places like Magnet tend to have a 'design service', you can turn up with your room dimensions and they will do a layout or two and give you prices based on the units you pick- with/without fitting etc. I suspect they don't offer this on-line for several reasons, including placing you under some 'pressure' to proceed. When we wanted our kitchen replaced some years back, I roughed out what we wanted on graph paper - I made some scale footprints of units and we moved them around. We then went to several places, picked one, got them to do a design, got a price etc, and made a decision. As the units were a standard size, we were able to make some last minute changes- within limits- eg we swapped the (under counter) fridge and freezer around. |
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On 23/01/2018 19:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/01/18 19:18, Vortex12 wrote: Today I flick through the book and see lots of pictures of dozens of kitchens, but ABSOLUTELY NO BASIC INFORMATION.Â* Basic information such as standard carcass sizes and shape options is utterly absent in both the catalogue and the web. Been standard on car manufacturers websites for years. All websites and brochures are now designedÂ* by 'creatives' to be 'content free' but alluring. Since the customers can't think and can't do sums, anything else is a waste. Think of it as a logical extenshun of the stayet edyou cayshun cistem. Or not really bothered about the DIY market? |
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Vortex12 wrote:
I have not walked into a Magnet showroom for 20 or more years. Visited our local one last week and was surprised by the apparent quality of some of their more premium kitchens.Â* Brought home the catalogue and thought nothing more of it. Today I flick through the book and see lots of pictures of dozens of kitchens, but ABSOLUTELY NO BASIC INFORMATION.Â* Basic information such as standard carcass sizes and shape options is utterly absent in both the catalogue and the web. What I want is some simple technical data and what I get is a load of awkward to use "Wizards", and not even the most rudimentary kitchen layout designer page. Are Magnet losing it, or is this simply the way things are in the 21st century? D Look for a catalogue or price list rather than advertising blurb. |
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On 23/01/2018 20:24, newshound wrote:
On 23/01/2018 19:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 23/01/18 19:18, Vortex12 wrote: Today I flick through the book and see lots of pictures of dozens of kitchens, but ABSOLUTELY NO BASIC INFORMATION.Â* Basic information such as standard carcass sizes and shape options is utterly absent in both the catalogue and the web. Been standard on car manufacturers websites for years. All websites and brochures are now designedÂ* by 'creatives' to be 'content free' but alluring. Since the customers can't think and can't do sums, anything else is a waste. Think of it as a logical extenshun of the stayet edyou cayshun cistem. Or not really bothered about the DIY market? Lots of info on www.diykitchens.co.uk but not exactly DIY prices. There may be a large discount if you are in the trade. |
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On Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:01:56 UTC, Brian Reay wrote:
Kitchen units tend to come in a number of standard sizes, at least width. Corners can vary quite a lot though, and not all ranges have both eg 500 and 600 mm drawers. Owain |
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On 23/01/2018 20:48, Brian Gaff wrote:
Also where does one, these days get appliances like hobs ovens washing machines that can be used by somebody with no sight. Everything has bloody touch screens... bah humbug. Brian Our Bosch oven has big knobs to control its main functions. I agree that the timer would be no use to you, though. Is there no little gadget that you can point at these displays and which reads them out to you? |
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On 23/01/2018 19:58, Tim Streater wrote:
Howden's has a decent catalogue which shows base/wall units and dimensions. You prolly need to get a person at Magnet to start designing you a kitchen, then you'll find out about carcass sizes etc. If you're going to do that, measure up to start with, so they've got something to get going with. If you get to the stage of a serious design and an order, they'll send someone round to measure up and refine the design based on that. IIRC, Howdens have two catalogues, a coloured glossy one for the customer and a detailed information one for the designer / installer. They seemed quite happy to give the latter out if asked and, yes, it does have useful information in it. |
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On 24/01/2018 08:55, Andrew May wrote:
On 23/01/2018 19:58, Tim Streater wrote: Howden's has a decent catalogue which shows base/wall units and dimensions. You prolly need to get a person at Magnet to start designing you a kitchen, then you'll find out about carcass sizes etc. If you're going to do that, measure up to start with, so they've got something to get going with. If you get to the stage of a serious design and an order, they'll send someone round to measure up and refine the design based on that. IIRC, Howdens have two catalogues, a coloured glossy one for the customer and a detailed information one for the designer / installer. They seemed quite happy to give the latter out if asked and, yes, it does have useful information in it. But not prices. In my recent experience, Howdens turned out much more expensive than using Wickes units, a lovely Iroko worktop from worktop express, and 'Best Kitchens' in Reading to fit it all. OTOH, the John Lewis quote was clearly for people who just don't care about the cost. I was impressed by the quality of the Wickes stuff, certainly compared to our old MFI(?) units. We did go towards their top end, but I'm sure the carcasses are the same across the range. Their designer came up with some ideas we hadn't thought of, Best Kitchens solved unforeseen problems, and Wickes refunded on unused parts with no quibbling. We bought the oven and other goods through Wickes who would price match them to the cheapest I could find. And no DIY involved, apart from small things like a Gridwall frame. Cheers -- Clive |
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On 23/01/18 19:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 23/01/18 19:18, Vortex12 wrote: Today I flick through the book and see lots of pictures of dozens of kitchens, but ABSOLUTELY NO BASIC INFORMATION.Â* Basic information such as standard carcass sizes and shape options is utterly absent in both the catalogue and the web. Been standard on car manufacturers websites for years. All websites and brochures are now designedÂ* by 'creatives' to be 'content free' but alluring. Since the customers can't think and can't do sums, anything else is a waste. Think of it as a logical extenshun of the stayet edyou cayshun cistem. The Hyundai brochure contains full specs and dimensions across the entire engine range for the model. |
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On 23/01/2018 23:53, wrote:
On Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:01:56 UTC, Brian Reay wrote: Kitchen units tend to come in a number of standard sizes, at least width. Corners can vary quite a lot though, and not all ranges have both eg 500 and 600 mm drawers. Owain Possibly not but the point I was making is that, in simple terms, the basic sizes are pretty standard. When we had ours planned, one dimensions where known, it was almost like 'Lego' - you could move things around quite easily. The 'planner' was pretty good, we had a basic layout in mind but he refined it, spotting details we'd missed. It just made the end result more 'polished' - I can't quite describe what I mean. It was all quite quite- on a PC of course- and you could see a 3D view. This was about 8/9 years back, I'm sure the process is even better now. Most places seem to offer this service. -- Suspect someone is claiming a benefit under false pretences? Incapacity Benefit or Personal Independence Payment when they don't need it? They are depriving those in real need! https://www.gov.uk/report-benefit-fraud |
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On 23/01/2018 20:01, Brian Reay wrote:
Are Magnet losing it, or is this simply the way things are in the 21st century? Kitchen units tend to come in a number of standard sizes, at least width. Floor units are a standard height (with some adjustment). Wall units can vary - some 'go to the ceiling' (at least in modern houses which lack high ceilings). Places like Magnet tend to have a 'design service', you can turn up with your room dimensions and they will do a layout or two and give you prices based on the units you pick- with/without fitting etc. I suspect they don't offer this on-line for several reasons, including placing you under some 'pressure' to proceed. When we wanted our kitchen replaced some years back, I roughed out what we wanted on graph paper - I made some scale footprints of units and we moved them around. We then went to several places, picked one, got them to do a design, got a price etc, and made a decision. As the units were a standard size, we were able to make some last minute changes- within limits- eg we swapped the (under counter) fridge and freezer around. I'll be going back this lunchtime to ask for more explicit information. It's clear their "default" preference is to to use the design service, and indeed we will....along with those of a couple of other vendors. Have not yet checked out Howdens (mentioned elsewhere). They have a local depot so will also check that out today. |
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FMurtz wrote:
Look for a catalogue or price list rather than advertising blurb. The magic word is 'trade': http://www.magnettrade.co.uk/contrac...-rsl-brochure/ page 24 Theo |
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On Wednesday, 24 January 2018 10:04:54 UTC, Vortex13 wrote:
Have not yet checked out Howdens (mentioned elsewhere). They have a local depot so will also check that out today. It's handy having a local despot NT |
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"Clive Arthur" wrote in message ... On 24/01/2018 08:55, Andrew May wrote: On 23/01/2018 19:58, Tim Streater wrote: Howden's has a decent catalogue which shows base/wall units and dimensions. You prolly need to get a person at Magnet to start designing you a kitchen, then you'll find out about carcass sizes etc. If you're going to do that, measure up to start with, so they've got something to get going with. If you get to the stage of a serious design and an order, they'll send someone round to measure up and refine the design based on that. IIRC, Howdens have two catalogues, a coloured glossy one for the customer and a detailed information one for the designer / installer. They seemed quite happy to give the latter out if asked and, yes, it does have useful information in it. But not prices. In my recent experience, Howdens turned out much more expensive than presumably that's before the tradesman discount. tim |
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On 23/01/2018 19:18, Vortex12 wrote:
I have not walked into a Magnet showroom for 20 or more years. Visited our local one last week and was surprised by the apparent quality of some of their more premium kitchens. Brought home the catalogue and thought nothing more of it. Today I flick through the book and see lots of pictures of dozens of kitchens, but ABSOLUTELY NO BASIC INFORMATION. Basic information such as standard carcass sizes and shape options is utterly absent in both the catalogue and the web. What I want is some simple technical data and what I get is a load of awkward to use "Wizards", and not even the most rudimentary kitchen layout designer page. Are Magnet losing it, or is this simply the way things are in the 21st century? Presumably all geared up to have you use their professional design service! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 24/01/2018 08:05, GB wrote:
On 23/01/2018 20:48, Brian Gaff wrote: Also where does one, these days get appliances like hobs ovens washing machines that can be used by somebody with no sight. Everything has bloody touch screens... bah humbug. Brian Our Bosch oven has big knobs to control its main functions. I agree that the timer would be no use to you, though. Is there no little gadget that you can point at these displays and which reads them out to you? Like a smart phone... with a touch screen! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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"Vortex13" wrote in message ... On 23/01/2018 20:01, Brian Reay wrote: Are Magnet losing it, or is this simply the way things are in the 21st century? Kitchen units tend to come in a number of standard sizes, at least width. Floor units are a standard height (with some adjustment). Wall units can vary - some 'go to the ceiling' (at least in modern houses which lack high ceilings). Places like Magnet tend to have a 'design service', you can turn up with your room dimensions and they will do a layout or two and give you prices based on the units you pick- with/without fitting etc. I suspect they don't offer this on-line for several reasons, including placing you under some 'pressure' to proceed. When we wanted our kitchen replaced some years back, I roughed out what we wanted on graph paper - I made some scale footprints of units and we moved them around. We then went to several places, picked one, got them to do a design, got a price etc, and made a decision. As the units were a standard size, we were able to make some last minute changes- within limits- eg we swapped the (under counter) fridge and freezer around. I'll be going back this lunchtime to ask for more explicit information. It's clear their "default" preference is to to use the design service, and indeed we will....along with those of a couple of other vendors. Have not yet checked out Howdens (mentioned elsewhere). They have a local depot so will also check that out today. Haven't checked recently but they used to have a tradesman only policy and will send you away if you are a domestic customer and start to ask prices tim |
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"Huge" wrote in message ... On 2018-01-23, Vortex12 wrote: I have not walked into a Magnet showroom for 20 or more years. Me neither, at least for 10 years, since they were rude last time. [14 lines snipped] Are Magnet losing it, or is this simply the way things are in the 21st century? Who cares? I'll never be going in one again. What got me was the nonsensical prices of their appliances They have high headline prices for cabinets though there's always some 30-50% off deal available. But the small print for that says "not applicable to appliances". But why would I pay 750 pounds for a standard fridge freezer, that even the most expensive high street shop sells for 400 (and online I can get for 279). Been some time since I looked, so this may have changed. tim |
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When we wanted our kitchen replaced some years back, I roughed out what we wanted on graph paper - I made some scale footprints of units and we moved them around. We then went to several places, picked one, got them to do a design, got a price etc, and made a decision. As the units were a standard size, we were able to make some last minute changes- within limits- eg we swapped the (under counter) fridge and freezer around. I'll be going back this lunchtime to ask for more explicit information. It's clear their "default" preference is to to use the design service, and indeed we will....along with those of a couple of other vendors. Have not yet checked out Howdens (mentioned elsewhere). They have a local depot so will also check that out today. Haven't checked recently but they used to have a tradesman only policy and will send you away if you are a domestic customer and start to ask prices tim Actually in this case I do not envisage doing the installation, so am not averse to a "full service" proposal.....which appears to be the vogue these days. The quality of the hardware is critical so kicking the tyres is important. Will see what they have to say! |
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:03:24 -0000, tim... wrote:
Haven't checked recently but they used to have a tradesman only policy and will send you away if you are a domestic customer and start to ask prices I don't think they are quite so fussy these days. Had a Howdens rep cold call(*) some time last year, left catalogues and "trade account" application form. Probably stopped due to the dumpy bags out side and looked the windows at a bare plasterd spaces full of "stuff"... -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:33:04 +0000, Clive Arthur wrote:
In my recent experience, Howdens turned out much more expensive than using Wickes units, IIRC Howdens units are factory built ie they come as units ready to be fitted not as flat pack to be assembled and then fitted. Makes sense for a "trade" installer, they don't want to waste time assmebling units. The snag is you need somewhere to put the units... Are the Wickes units flat pack or pre-built? -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Tuesday, 23 January 2018 22:45:46 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/01/2018 20:24, newshound wrote: On 23/01/2018 19:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 23/01/18 19:18, Vortex12 wrote: Today I flick through the book and see lots of pictures of dozens of kitchens, but ABSOLUTELY NO BASIC INFORMATION.Â* Basic information such as standard carcass sizes and shape options is utterly absent in both the catalogue and the web. Been standard on car manufacturers websites for years. All websites and brochures are now designedÂ* by 'creatives' to be 'content free' but alluring. Since the customers can't think and can't do sums, anything else is a waste. Think of it as a logical extenshun of the stayet edyou cayshun cistem. Or not really bothered about the DIY market? Lots of info on www.diykitchens.co.uk but not exactly DIY prices. There may be a large discount if you are in the trade. Just what you'd expect from a DIY store 😕 |
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On 24/01/2018 11:26, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:33:04 +0000, Clive Arthur wrote: In my recent experience, Howdens turned out much more expensive than using Wickes units, IIRC Howdens units are factory built ie they come as units ready to be fitted not as flat pack to be assembled and then fitted. Makes sense for a "trade" installer, they don't want to waste time assmebling units. The snag is you need somewhere to put the units... Are the Wickes units flat pack or pre-built? They do a range of flat pack ones available in-store. Just about to buy some. They'll deliver free of charge for the sort of money you are likely to be spending. |
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On 24/01/18 12:04, GB wrote:
On 24/01/2018 11:26, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:33:04 +0000, Clive Arthur wrote: In my recent experience, Howdens turned out much more expensive than using Wickes units, IIRC Howdens units are factory built ie they come as units ready to be fitted not as flat pack to be assembled and then fitted. Makes sense for a "trade" installer, they don't want to waste time assmebling units. The snag is you need somewhere to put the units... Are the Wickes units flat pack or pre-built? They do a range of flat pack ones available in-store. Just about to buy some. They'll deliver free of charge for the sort of money you are likely to be spending. Some years back, may be 8/9, when we were looking around for our kitchen, we looked at Wickes. I wasn't impressed. Magnet seemed quite good. We also looked at Ikea, they were better and I someone we knew had got one and swore by it. However, we decided on a local company which had, as still has, a very good reputation. A neighbour had one fitted just before us and they spoke very highly of them. The only issues we've had have been the appliances- AEG. We had 'everything'- oven, combi microwave oven, dishwasher, induction hob, fridge, freezer (both under the bench), the hood isn't AEG- I can't recall the make. The microwave was a PIA at first, it was all but replaced. The dishwasher was also a PIA and gave up the ghost just out of the 5 year warranty. The hinges on the fridge and freezer have failed several times, as have other bits. The main oven, hood, and the hob have been fine. The AEG hinges are about £40 each, although you can get then elsewhere for less. I'd not buy AEG again. Current dishwasher is a SMEG which seems OK. We've tried Bosch, not impressed- it lasted about 3 years. The best appliances we've ever had were an Ariston Washing machine- 17 years, with a new door seal and maybe a door switch- and a Tricity Microwave, also something like 17 years, with a couple of O rings to replace the drive belt. It was still working when we disposed of it due to being 'tatty'. The Ariston coped with the washing for the children when small so got a lot of use in its later years. I suspect it would have lasted longer but for our moving house- I thing it took a 'bump' and then main bearing started to leak. |
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message idual.net... On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:33:04 +0000, Clive Arthur wrote: In my recent experience, Howdens turned out much more expensive than using Wickes units, IIRC Howdens units are factory built ie they come as units ready to be fitted not as flat pack to be assembled and then fitted. Makes sense for a "trade" installer, they don't want to waste time assmebling units. The snag is you need somewhere to put the units... I had one installer claim that his time saved (and hence not paid for) in not making up the units would cover the extra cost It didn't tim |
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says... On 24/01/2018 08:55, Andrew May wrote: On 23/01/2018 19:58, Tim Streater wrote: IIRC, Howdens have two catalogues, a coloured glossy one for the customer and a detailed information one for the designer / installer. They seemed quite happy to give the latter out if asked and, yes, it does have useful information in it. But not prices. I have a namesake who is a kitchen installer who obviously wanted the email address I was already using so was offered - and accrepted - the name with '2' appended to it. Howdens missed off the 2 on a few occasions with the result that I got his quotations! High prices, as you say - before knocking off his trade discount of around 80%! I did consider keeping them at one time so that, if I wanted to deal with them for any reason, I'd demand his discount! -- Terry --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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On 24/01/2018 10:57, tim... wrote:
"Clive Arthur" wrote in message ... On 24/01/2018 08:55, Andrew May wrote: On 23/01/2018 19:58, Tim Streater wrote: Howden's has a decent catalogue which shows base/wall units and dimensions. You prolly need to get a person at Magnet to start designing you a kitchen, then you'll find out about carcass sizes etc. If you're going to do that, measure up to start with, so they've got something to get going with. If you get to the stage of a serious design and an order, they'll send someone round to measure up and refine the design based on that. IIRC, Howdens have two catalogues, a coloured glossy one for the customer and a detailed information one for the designer / installer. They seemed quite happy to give the latter out if asked and, yes, it does have useful information in it. But not prices. In my recent experience, Howdens turned out much more expensive than presumably that's before the tradesman discount. tim No, it was the whole deal. About 50% more expensive, and I just couldn't be arsed with the whole obfuscatory affair. Cheers -- Clive |
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On 23/01/2018 20:07, Huge wrote:
On 2018-01-23, Vortex12 wrote: I have not walked into a Magnet showroom for 20 or more years. Me neither, at least for 10 years, since they were rude last time. [14 lines snipped] Are Magnet losing it, or is this simply the way things are in the 21st century? Who cares? I'll never be going in one again. Could be worse. This is, I promise, a true story. My sister had a Homebase kitchen fitted by one of their contractors while she was at work. Everything looked splendid, till she went into the next door room to see the ends of the fixings protruding into the room. While I love her dearly, I still almost weep with mirth when I imagine her reaction. Cheers -- Clive |
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On 24/01/2018 14:33, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 23/01/2018 20:07, Huge wrote: On 2018-01-23, Vortex12 wrote: I have not walked into a Magnet showroom for 20 or more years. Me neither, at least for 10 years, since they were rude last time. [14 lines snipped] Are Magnet losing it, or is this simply the way things are in the 21st century? Who cares? I'll never be going in one again. Could be worse.Â* This is, I promise, a true story. My sister had a Homebase kitchen fitted by one of their contractors while she was at work. Everything looked splendid, till she went into the next door room to see the ends of the fixings protruding into the room. While I love her dearly, I still almost weep with mirth when I imagine her reaction. Cheers Is there something 'unusual' about the walls in her house? Even a single layer breeze block wall must be 4" thick, then there is the plaster etc. They must have used very long screws! |
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newshound writes: On 23/01/2018 19:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 23/01/18 19:18, Vortex12 wrote: Today I flick through the book and see lots of pictures of dozens of kitchens, but ABSOLUTELY NO BASIC INFORMATION.Â* Basic information such as standard carcass sizes and shape options is utterly absent in both the catalogue and the web. Been standard on car manufacturers websites for years. All websites and brochures are now designedÂ* by 'creatives' to be 'content free' but alluring. Since the customers can't think and can't do sums, anything else is a waste. Think of it as a logical extenshun of the stayet edyou cayshun cistem. Or not really bothered about the DIY market? DIY skills have vanished over the last generation (25 years or so). Very few people under 50 can do any DIY, and as for installing a kitchen, I think that's probably out of scope for 99% who still do actually do DIY. Sad... -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message ... In article , newshound writes: On 23/01/2018 19:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 23/01/18 19:18, Vortex12 wrote: Today I flick through the book and see lots of pictures of dozens of kitchens, but ABSOLUTELY NO BASIC INFORMATION. Basic information such as standard carcass sizes and shape options is utterly absent in both the catalogue and the web. Been standard on car manufacturers websites for years. All websites and brochures are now designed by 'creatives' to be 'content free' but alluring. Since the customers can't think and can't do sums, anything else is a waste. Think of it as a logical extenshun of the stayet edyou cayshun cistem. Or not really bothered about the DIY market? DIY skills have vanished over the last generation (25 years or so). Very few people under 50 can do any DIY, and as for installing a kitchen, I think that's probably out of scope for 99% who still do actually do DIY. Sad... but you don't need to actually do any DIY if what you want to do is "design" the kitchen yourself and get a friendly tradesman in to do it for you tim -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On 24/01/18 16:34, Huge wrote:
On 2018-01-24, Andrew Gabriel wrote: [20 lines snipped] DIY skills have vanished over the last generation (25 years or so). Very few people under 50 can do any DIY, and as for installing a kitchen, I think that's probably out of scope for 99% who still do actually do DIY. Sad... It is. I have put in two kitchens and two bathrooms in the past, but would likely not do it again, partly due to age. Next "big" project; air conditioning in our bedroom. 4 kitchens 5 bathrooms -- "When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics." Josef Stalin |
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On Wednesday, 24 January 2018 17:39:43 UTC, tim... wrote:
"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message ... In article , newshound writes: On 23/01/2018 19:31, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 23/01/18 19:18, Vortex12 wrote: Today I flick through the book and see lots of pictures of dozens of kitchens, but ABSOLUTELY NO BASIC INFORMATION. Basic information such as standard carcass sizes and shape options is utterly absent in both the catalogue and the web. Been standard on car manufacturers websites for years. All websites and brochures are now designed by 'creatives' to be 'content free' but alluring. Since the customers can't think and can't do sums, anything else is a waste. Think of it as a logical extenshun of the stayet edyou cayshun cistem.. Or not really bothered about the DIY market? DIY skills have vanished over the last generation (25 years or so). Very few people under 50 can do any DIY, and as for installing a kitchen, I think that's probably out of scope for 99% who still do actually do DIY. Sad... but you don't need to actually do any DIY if what you want to do is "design" the kitchen yourself and get a friendly tradesman in to do it for you tim I reckon that's beyond the current generation NT |
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2018 13:18:04 -0000, tim... wrote:
I had one installer claim that his time saved (and hence not paid for) in not making up the units would cover the extra cost What is it with tradesmen and telling porkies? Just had the boiler replaced(*) and as part of that a Fernox TF1 magnetic/cyclonic filter was fitted. On checking things out after they'd gone I spotted that the flow arrow on the filter housing was pointing in the opposite direction to the flow. Rang 'em up, plumber rang back and from the conversation I quote "it doesn't matter it's only there for the next plumber to know which way the flow is". They also didn't install the full lenght of plume kit they where supposed to, used steel waskers and screws to fix the birdcage around the inlet the and I suspect cracked they condensate trap. The condesate pipe has a short vertical section that isn't and a horizontal section fitting into a wastepipe tap is a couple of mm to long so places things understress. They've sorted the flue and filter but the cracked condensate trap is, in theory, covered by the boiler warranty, they said they'll inform Worecester-Bosh who'll be in touch. Still waiting. I'll replace the steel screws and washers with brass at some point so they'll actually last more than few years and still be removeable. Also sort out the condensate drain... They seemed like competent chaps who knew their stuff but they mades an awful lot of basic errors. Just re-enforces why I like to DIY, it'll be done properly to my satisfaction. (*) Replaced under the ECO scheme so no option to DIY. -- Cheers Dave. |
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The Natural Philosopher writes: On 24/01/18 16:34, Huge wrote: On 2018-01-24, Andrew Gabriel wrote: [20 lines snipped] DIY skills have vanished over the last generation (25 years or so). Very few people under 50 can do any DIY, and as for installing a kitchen, I think that's probably out of scope for 99% who still do actually do DIY. Sad... It is. I have put in two kitchens and two bathrooms in the past, but would likely not do it again, partly due to age. Next "big" project; air conditioning in our bedroom. 4 kitchens 5 bathrooms 2 kitchens and 2 bathrooms (and helped with several others). 2 lots of aircon (outdoor unit can be bloody heavy). -- Andrew Gabriel [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup] |
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On 24/01/2018 16:32, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
snipped DIY skills have vanished over the last generation (25 years or so). Very few people under 50 can do any DIY, and as for installing a kitchen, I think that's probably out of scope for 99% who still do actually do DIY. Sad... I put our last kitchen in about 25 years ago when money was tight. (And the heating, plumbing etc.) Far better, IMO, to pay someone to do it more quickly and to a higher standard. If I ever retired, DIY would become mainstream again, but for now, it's essentially limited to repairs and small jobs. Cheers -- Clive |
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