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Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is
replaced. 7 rads and 2 sinks (but the existing boiler is not actually
plumbed into the HW taps at these sinks) however it need not be super
high powered [1].

Easy access to boiler and pipework. No breakables or expensive carpets
to worry about in the building. Easy private parking (about 5ft from the
front door of the building) for 3 vans if you want to.Condensate run not
too bad down to the kitchen waste pipe area.

I would say that I could do the job on my own in a day and I am not a
plumber.


[1] ATM the sinks HW (or lack of it) is fed from a broken electric 3kW
HW wall mounted heater and it would cost less to plumb them into a combi
than replace the HW heater so this is part of the quote.


All quotes were NOT to include electrical work, cost of stats and
programmers etc.


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3 grand? Depends if it's BG or not ...



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On 22/01/2018 19:57, ARW wrote:
Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is
replaced. 7 rads and 2 sinks (but the existing boiler is not actually
plumbed into the HW taps at these sinks) however it need not be super
high powered [1].

Easy access to boiler and pipework. No breakables or expensive carpets
to worry about in the building. Easy private parking (about 5ft from the
front door of the building) for 3 vans if you want to.Condensate run not
too bad down to the kitchen waste pipe area.

I would say that I could do the job on my own in a day and I am not a
plumber.


[1] ATM the sinks HW (or lack of it) is fed from a broken electric 3kW
HW wall mounted heater and it would cost less to plumb them into a combi
than replace the HW heater so this is part of the quote.


All quotes were NOT to include electrical work, cost of stats and
programmers etc.


Any guesses on the quotes?

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I was quoted £2.2k in London for a new combi, but I specified a Vaillant
that seems to cost around £1000. In the end, it was done by someone
else for around £1700.

But you can also get a combi for £500 less.



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On Monday, 22 January 2018 20:09:10 UTC, GB wrote:
On 22/01/2018 19:57, ARW wrote:


Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is
replaced. 7 rads and 2 sinks (but the existing boiler is not actually
plumbed into the HW taps at these sinks) however it need not be super
high powered [1].

Easy access to boiler and pipework. No breakables or expensive carpets
to worry about in the building. Easy private parking (about 5ft from the
front door of the building) for 3 vans if you want to.Condensate run not
too bad down to the kitchen waste pipe area.

I would say that I could do the job on my own in a day and I am not a
plumber.


[1] ATM the sinks HW (or lack of it) is fed from a broken electric 3kW
HW wall mounted heater and it would cost less to plumb them into a combi
than replace the HW heater so this is part of the quote.


All quotes were NOT to include electrical work, cost of stats and
programmers etc.


Any guesses on the quotes?

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I was quoted £2.2k in London for a new combi, but I specified a Vaillant
that seems to cost around £1000. In the end, it was done by someone
else for around £1700.

But you can also get a combi for £500 less.


lot less than that on ebay


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On Monday, 22 January 2018 20:09:10 UTC, GB wrote:
On 22/01/2018 19:57, ARW wrote:


Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is
replaced. 7 rads and 2 sinks (but the existing boiler is not actually
plumbed into the HW taps at these sinks) however it need not be super
high powered [1].

Easy access to boiler and pipework. No breakables or expensive carpets
to worry about in the building. Easy private parking (about 5ft from the
front door of the building) for 3 vans if you want to.Condensate run not
too bad down to the kitchen waste pipe area.

I would say that I could do the job on my own in a day and I am not a
plumber.


[1] ATM the sinks HW (or lack of it) is fed from a broken electric 3kW
HW wall mounted heater and it would cost less to plumb them into a combi
than replace the HW heater so this is part of the quote.


All quotes were NOT to include electrical work, cost of stats and
programmers etc.


Any guesses on the quotes?

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I was quoted £2.2k in London for a new combi, but I specified a Vaillant
that seems to cost around £1000. In the end, it was done by someone
else for around £1700.

But you can also get a combi for £500 less.


lot less than that on ebay


Really? I was looking for 28KW, and the cheapest I could find is around
the £500 mark. Maybe your search skills are better than mine? Anyway,
there's clearly scope to save a few bob on the boiler.

Are boiler fitters very strong? Some of these boilers are really quite
heavy.

I removed a back boiler with a cast iron heat exchanger from a flat I'm
renovating. No problem getting it downstairs on the sack truck, but
there was no way at all I could get it in the car to take it to the
dump. Very embarrassing.



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£1500 for the boiler
£1500 to fit
£1000 for the electrician to wire it.

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Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is



Any guesses on the quotes?


£1500 for the boiler
£1500 to fit
£1000 for the electrician to wire it.


A thousand pounds to wire an FSU and a thermostat? (Which is probebly
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On Monday, 22 January 2018 21:36:56 UTC, GB wrote:
On 22/01/2018 20:17, tabbypurr wrote:
On Monday, 22 January 2018 20:09:10 UTC, GB wrote:
On 22/01/2018 19:57, ARW wrote:


Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is
replaced.


Any guesses on the quotes?


I was quoted £2.2k in London for a new combi, but I specified a Vaillant
that seems to cost around £1000. In the end, it was done by someone
else for around £1700.

But you can also get a combi for £500 less.


lot less than that on ebay


Really? I was looking for 28KW, and the cheapest I could find is around
the £500 mark. Maybe your search skills are better than mine? Anyway,
there's clearly scope to save a few bob on the boiler.


I've looked on occasion to see what the deal was. It seems to vary greatly, one time it's flooded and another there's nothing.

Are boiler fitters very strong? Some of these boilers are really quite
heavy.


20 or 30kg is liftable.

I removed a back boiler with a cast iron heat exchanger from a flat I'm
renovating. No problem getting it downstairs on the sack truck, but
there was no way at all I could get it in the car to take it to the
dump. Very embarrassing.


I bet someone would take it for scrap though. Save you the bother.


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On 22/01/18 19:57, ARW wrote:
Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is
replaced. 7 rads and 2 sinks (but the existing boiler is not actually
plumbed into the HW taps at these sinks) however it need not be super
high powered [1].

Easy access to boiler and pipework. No breakables or expensive carpets
to worry about in the building. Easy private parking (about 5ft from the
front door of the building) for 3 vans if you want to.Condensate run not
too bad down to the kitchen waste pipe area.

I would say that I could do the job on my own in a day and I am not a
plumber.


[1] ATM the sinks HW (or lack of it) is fed from a broken electric 3kW
HW wall mounted heater and it would cost less to plumb them into a combi
than replace the HW heater so this is part of the quote.


All quotes were NOT to include electrical work, cost of stats and
programmers etc.


Any guesses on the quotes?


£1500 -£3000



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Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is
replaced.
Any guesses on the quotes?


Probably about £7000 if the Lady Scoutmistress phoned up and asked.

About £2000 if you go round in your overalls.

Do you have Low Surface Temperature guards on the radiators?

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On 23/01/2018 05:28, wrote:
On Monday, 22 January 2018 21:36:56 UTC, GB wrote:
On 22/01/2018 20:17, tabbypurr wrote:
On Monday, 22 January 2018 20:09:10 UTC, GB wrote:
On 22/01/2018 19:57, ARW wrote:


Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is
replaced.


Any guesses on the quotes?


I was quoted £2.2k in London for a new combi, but I specified a Vaillant
that seems to cost around £1000. In the end, it was done by someone
else for around £1700.

But you can also get a combi for £500 less.

lot less than that on ebay


Really? I was looking for 28KW, and the cheapest I could find is around
the £500 mark. Maybe your search skills are better than mine? Anyway,
there's clearly scope to save a few bob on the boiler.


I've looked on occasion to see what the deal was. It seems to vary greatly, one time it's flooded and another there's nothing.

Are boiler fitters very strong? Some of these boilers are really quite
heavy.


20 or 30kg is liftable.


Sometimes its the awkward place they need to go that makes it hard -
i.e. often working above a kitchen worktop, between cupboards etc when
you can't really get under it or even get a good grip on it. I did one
like that, right in the corner of a kitchen and although it was not that
heavy in absolute terms (about 35kg) there was no way to actually get it
in place directly. So in the end I stacked up a few power tool cases on
the worktop, sat the boiler on them so that it was an inch higher than
the wall bracket, and pushed it back against the wall. Hanging it was
then just a job of keeping it against the wall, while pulling one of the
tool cases out from under it so that it dropped onto the bracket.

(It can be more fun getting the old ones out - the Mexico I took out of
here was something like 96kg! (fortunately I had it on a long rad in the
back of the car, so when I had to offload it at the scrappie, I had
something that would slide out easily, and also gave a bit of mechanical
advantage to the end that needed lifting).


I removed a back boiler with a cast iron heat exchanger from a flat I'm
renovating. No problem getting it downstairs on the sack truck, but
there was no way at all I could get it in the car to take it to the
dump. Very embarrassing.


I bet someone would take it for scrap though. Save you the bother.





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On Tuesday, 23 January 2018 10:35:31 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 23/01/2018 05:28, tabbypurr wrote:
On Monday, 22 January 2018 21:36:56 UTC, GB wrote:


Are boiler fitters very strong? Some of these boilers are really quite
heavy.


20 or 30kg is liftable.


Sometimes its the awkward place they need to go that makes it hard -
i.e. often working above a kitchen worktop, between cupboards etc when
you can't really get under it or even get a good grip on it. I did one
like that, right in the corner of a kitchen and although it was not that
heavy in absolute terms (about 35kg) there was no way to actually get it
in place directly. So in the end I stacked up a few power tool cases on
the worktop, sat the boiler on them so that it was an inch higher than
the wall bracket, and pushed it back against the wall. Hanging it was
then just a job of keeping it against the wall, while pulling one of the
tool cases out from under it so that it dropped onto the bracket.


that's the way to do it. Another is to use 2 piles, adding a bit to each one in turn. They must be laterally stable enough though.

(It can be more fun getting the old ones out - the Mexico I took out of
here was something like 96kg!


ouch


NT

(fortunately I had it on a long rad in the
back of the car, so when I had to offload it at the scrappie, I had
something that would slide out easily, and also gave a bit of mechanical
advantage to the end that needed lifting).

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On 23/01/2018 10:35, John Rumm wrote:

20 or 30kg is liftable.


Sometimes its the awkward place they need to go that makes it hard -
i.e. often working above a kitchen worktop, between cupboards etc when
you can't really get under it or even get a good grip on it. I did one
like that, right in the corner of a kitchen and although it was not that
heavy in absolute terms (about 35kg) there was no way to actually get it
in place directly. So in the end I stacked up a few power tool cases on
the worktop, sat the boiler on them so that it was an inch higher than
the wall bracket, and pushed it back against the wall. Hanging it was
then just a job of keeping it against the wall, while pulling one of the
tool cases out from under it so that it dropped onto the bracket.


Have I seen an advert for some sort of block and tackle arrangement?
Screw it to the wall. Lift the boiler into place safely, then unscrew it
again.


(It can be more fun getting the old ones out - the Mexico I took out of
here was something like 96kg! (fortunately I had it on a long rad in the
back of the car, so when I had to offload it at the scrappie, I had
something that would slide out easily, and also gave a bit of mechanical
advantage to the end that needed lifting).


Can you lift 96kg? Otherwise, how did you get it into the car in the
first place?




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20 or 30kg is liftable.


Sometimes its the awkward place they need to go that makes it hard - i.e.
often working above a kitchen worktop, between cupboards etc when you
can't really get under it or even get a good grip on it. I did one like
that, right in the corner of a kitchen and although it was not that heavy
in absolute terms (about 35kg) there was no way to actually get it in
place directly. So in the end I stacked up a few power tool cases on the
worktop, sat the boiler on them so that it was an inch higher than the
wall bracket, and pushed it back against the wall. Hanging it was then
just a job of keeping it against the wall, while pulling one of the tool
cases out from under it so that it dropped onto the bracket.


Have I seen an advert for some sort of block and tackle arrangement? Screw
it to the wall. Lift the boiler into place safely, then unscrew it again.


no doubt that's the official way :-)

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Have I seen an advert for some sort of block and tackle arrangement?
Screw it to the wall. Lift the boiler into place safely, then unscrew it
again.


My Viessmann has a mounting frame which weighs very little. You fix that
to the wall first, then fit the boiler to that - an easy job. I had no
trouble doing it on my own, and I'm not Charles Atlas.

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Are boiler fitters very strong? Some of these boilers are really quite
heavy.


20 or 30kg is liftable.


My Kestion was 43kg IIRC (mostly stainless steel heat exchanger which
has very thick walls), and I was mounting it high up on a wall.
The combined weight of the boiler and me exceeded the max ladder
weight, and it was an awkward shape to lift.

I decided before climbing the ladder that no way was I going to risk
my back in saving it if it became unstable to lift, and I would simply
drop it on the floor and write it off (£650 at the time).
In the event, I had prepared it all correctly, and it hooked on the
wall bracket quite easily. I did wonder if the bracket would hold,
but 16+ years later, it's still fine!

If I'd had to do another one, I would have taken the heat exchanger
out to lift it, now knowing how simple that is for that boiler.
However, I didn't want to do that with a brand-new boiler I wasn't
familiar with at the time.

I removed a back boiler with a cast iron heat exchanger from a flat I'm
renovating. No problem getting it downstairs on the sack truck, but
there was no way at all I could get it in the car to take it to the
dump. Very embarrassing.


I bet someone would take it for scrap though. Save you the bother.


We lugged my brother's old floor-standing cast iron lump out into the
front garden. It was gone in 2 hours, including all the metal side
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On 23/01/2018 10:46, GB wrote:
On 23/01/2018 10:35, John Rumm wrote:

20 or 30kg is liftable.


Sometimes its the awkward place they need to go that makes it hard -
i.e. often working above a kitchen worktop, between cupboards etc when
you can't really get under it or even get a good grip on it. I did one
like that, right in the corner of a kitchen and although it was not
that heavy in absolute terms (about 35kg) there was no way to actually
get it in place directly. So in the end I stacked up a few power tool
cases on the worktop, sat the boiler on them so that it was an inch
higher than the wall bracket, and pushed it back against the wall.
Hanging it was then just a job of keeping it against the wall, while
pulling one of the tool cases out from under it so that it dropped
onto the bracket.


Have I seen an advert for some sort of block and tackle arrangement?
Screw it to the wall. Lift the boiler into place safely, then unscrew it
again.


(It can be more fun getting the old ones out - the Mexico I took out
of here was something like 96kg! (fortunately I had it on a long rad
in the back of the car, so when I had to offload it at the scrappie, I
had something that would slide out easily, and also gave a bit of
mechanical advantage to the end that needed lifting).


Can you lift 96kg?


Probably - just - but I would not risk trying to lift it outright these
days! (I find it too easy to injure myself!)

Otherwise, how did you get it into the car in the
first place?


By only taking part of the weight at any given time...

Rocking it onto an edge let me get a sack trolley under it. Some wood
ramps on the steps to wheel it out of the garden. Then at the car a
rolled up blanket on the edge of the tailgate (for protection), and prop
one end of long scrap rad on it as a ramp. Wheel the boiler a little way
up the ramp, and then tip it forward and lower it onto the rad. Pick up
the far end of the rad (that gives me some mechanical advantage, and the
car already has more than half the weight), slide the lot into the car.
Unloading was kind of the reverse of the process

(I did not think the accelerate backward quickly and then brake
technique would be looked upon favourably in the scrap yard ;-)


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On 22/01/2018 20:17, wrote:
On Monday, 22 January 2018 20:09:10 UTC, GBÂ* wrote:
On 22/01/2018 19:57, ARW wrote:


Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is
replaced. 7 rads and 2 sinks (but the existing boiler is not actually
plumbed into the HW taps at these sinks) however it need not be super
high powered [1].

Easy access to boiler and pipework. No breakables or expensive carpets
to worry about in the building. Easy private parking (about 5ft from
the
front door of the building) for 3 vans if you want to.Condensate run
not
too bad down to the kitchen waste pipe area.

I would say that I could do the job on my own in a day and I am not a
plumber.


[1] ATM the sinks HW (or lack of it) is fed from a broken electric 3kW
HW wall mounted heater and it would cost less to plumb them into a
combi
than replace the HW heater so this is part of the quote.


All quotes were NOT to include electrical work, cost of stats and
programmers etc.


Any guesses on the quotes?

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I was quoted £2.2k in London for a new combi, but I specified a Vaillant
that seems to cost around £1000.Â* In the end, it was done by someone
else for around £1700.

But you can also get a combi for £500 less.


lot less than that on ebay


Really? I was looking for 28KW, and the cheapest I could find is around
the £500 mark. Maybe your search skills are better than mine?Â* Anyway,
there's clearly scope to save a few bob on the boiler.


I would say that I found the cheapest around the £500 mark including the
flue! And that was for a 28kW.


Are boiler fitters very strong? Some of these boilers are really quite
heavy.


At least you only have to usually lift it up onto a bracket. I am
physically reaching the point where I am struggling to do that. It's
time to get more exercise done.

I removed a back boiler with a cast iron heat exchanger from a flat I'm
renovating. No problem getting it downstairs on the sack truck, but
there was no way at all I could get it in the car to take it to the
dump. Very embarrassing.Â*


It took 3 of us (and some swearing) to get my old Ideal Mexico boiler up
the garden steps. Apparently swearing alters the value of gravity when
you are lifting heavy things.



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Do you have Low Surface Temperature guards on the radiators?

No. Are they needed? The little *******s must have radiators at home and
must be used to them by now.


Probably not for Scouts but if they want to rent the hall out to playgroups etc then LST may be needed.

If nothing else it helps to reduce the amount of playdough the little fingers can squidge into the radiator fins.

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I was rather surprised that I could take my ladders etc into a primary
school hall on Tuesday and fit a socket for the projector screen whilst
there were kids in the room having some sort of lesson.


Some other schools require that I have a member of staff with me at all
times and that I cannot work in a classroom that have children in it.


Perhaps the lesson was about stranger danger...


But I signed in:-) I got a piece of paper to stick on my chest.


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(a) Was it printed in Comic Sans?

(b) Did it have your name and an expiry date on it, or could anyone use it at any time?

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Some other schools require that I have a member of staff with me at all
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Wise move. I'd want a minder too if I was working in a school.


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I was rather surprised that I could take my ladders etc into a primary
school hall on Tuesday and fit a socket for the projector screen whilst
there were kids in the room having some sort of lesson.


Some other schools require that I have a member of staff with me at all
times and that I cannot work in a classroom that have children in it.


Perhaps the lesson was about stranger danger...


But I signed in:-) I got a piece of paper to stick on my chest.


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On 26/01/2018 19:28, ARW wrote:
On 26/01/2018 00:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Â*Â*Â* ARW wrote:
Some other schools require that I have a member of staff with me at all
times and that I cannot work in a classroom that have children in it.


Wise move. I'd want a minder too if I was working in a school.


Indeed. They are there for my safety not the pupils safety.


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