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Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is
replaced. 7 rads and 2 sinks (but the existing boiler is not actually plumbed into the HW taps at these sinks) however it need not be super high powered [1]. Easy access to boiler and pipework. No breakables or expensive carpets to worry about in the building. Easy private parking (about 5ft from the front door of the building) for 3 vans if you want to.Condensate run not too bad down to the kitchen waste pipe area. I would say that I could do the job on my own in a day and I am not a plumber. [1] ATM the sinks HW (or lack of it) is fed from a broken electric 3kW HW wall mounted heater and it would cost less to plumb them into a combi than replace the HW heater so this is part of the quote. All quotes were NOT to include electrical work, cost of stats and programmers etc. Any guesses on the quotes? -- Adam |
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Any guesses on the quotes? 3 grand? Depends if it's BG or not ... |
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On 22/01/2018 19:57, ARW wrote:
Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is replaced. 7 rads and 2 sinks (but the existing boiler is not actually plumbed into the HW taps at these sinks) however it need not be super high powered [1]. Easy access to boiler and pipework. No breakables or expensive carpets to worry about in the building. Easy private parking (about 5ft from the front door of the building) for 3 vans if you want to.Condensate run not too bad down to the kitchen waste pipe area. I would say that I could do the job on my own in a day and I am not a plumber. [1] ATM the sinks HW (or lack of it) is fed from a broken electric 3kW HW wall mounted heater and it would cost less to plumb them into a combi than replace the HW heater so this is part of the quote. All quotes were NOT to include electrical work, cost of stats and programmers etc. Any guesses on the quotes? -- Adam I was quoted £2.2k in London for a new combi, but I specified a Vaillant that seems to cost around £1000. In the end, it was done by someone else for around £1700. But you can also get a combi for £500 less. |
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On Monday, 22 January 2018 20:09:10 UTC, GB wrote:
On 22/01/2018 19:57, ARW wrote: Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is replaced. 7 rads and 2 sinks (but the existing boiler is not actually plumbed into the HW taps at these sinks) however it need not be super high powered [1]. Easy access to boiler and pipework. No breakables or expensive carpets to worry about in the building. Easy private parking (about 5ft from the front door of the building) for 3 vans if you want to.Condensate run not too bad down to the kitchen waste pipe area. I would say that I could do the job on my own in a day and I am not a plumber. [1] ATM the sinks HW (or lack of it) is fed from a broken electric 3kW HW wall mounted heater and it would cost less to plumb them into a combi than replace the HW heater so this is part of the quote. All quotes were NOT to include electrical work, cost of stats and programmers etc. Any guesses on the quotes? -- Adam I was quoted £2.2k in London for a new combi, but I specified a Vaillant that seems to cost around £1000. In the end, it was done by someone else for around £1700. But you can also get a combi for £500 less. lot less than that on ebay NT |
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On 22/01/2018 19:57, ARW wrote:
Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is Any guesses on the quotes? £1500 for the boiler £1500 to fit £1000 for the electrician to wire it. |
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On 22/01/2018 19:57, ARW wrote:
Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is Any guesses on the quotes? £1500 for the boiler £1500 to fit £1000 for the electrician to wire it. A thousand pounds to wire an FSU and a thermostat? (Which is probebly wireless anyway). -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On Monday, 22 January 2018 21:36:56 UTC, GB wrote:
On 22/01/2018 20:17, tabbypurr wrote: On Monday, 22 January 2018 20:09:10 UTC, GB wrote: On 22/01/2018 19:57, ARW wrote: Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is replaced. Any guesses on the quotes? I was quoted £2.2k in London for a new combi, but I specified a Vaillant that seems to cost around £1000. In the end, it was done by someone else for around £1700. But you can also get a combi for £500 less. lot less than that on ebay Really? I was looking for 28KW, and the cheapest I could find is around the £500 mark. Maybe your search skills are better than mine? Anyway, there's clearly scope to save a few bob on the boiler. I've looked on occasion to see what the deal was. It seems to vary greatly, one time it's flooded and another there's nothing. Are boiler fitters very strong? Some of these boilers are really quite heavy. 20 or 30kg is liftable. I removed a back boiler with a cast iron heat exchanger from a flat I'm renovating. No problem getting it downstairs on the sack truck, but there was no way at all I could get it in the car to take it to the dump. Very embarrassing. ![]() I bet someone would take it for scrap though. Save you the bother. NT |
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On 22/01/18 19:57, ARW wrote:
Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is replaced. 7 rads and 2 sinks (but the existing boiler is not actually plumbed into the HW taps at these sinks) however it need not be super high powered [1]. Easy access to boiler and pipework. No breakables or expensive carpets to worry about in the building. Easy private parking (about 5ft from the front door of the building) for 3 vans if you want to.Condensate run not too bad down to the kitchen waste pipe area. I would say that I could do the job on my own in a day and I am not a plumber. [1] ATM the sinks HW (or lack of it) is fed from a broken electric 3kW HW wall mounted heater and it would cost less to plumb them into a combi than replace the HW heater so this is part of the quote. All quotes were NOT to include electrical work, cost of stats and programmers etc. Any guesses on the quotes? £1500 -£3000 -- Adam -- If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. Joseph Goebbels |
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On Monday, 22 January 2018 19:58:00 UTC, ARW wrote:
Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is replaced. Any guesses on the quotes? Probably about £7000 if the Lady Scoutmistress phoned up and asked. About £2000 if you go round in your overalls. Do you have Low Surface Temperature guards on the radiators? Owain |
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On Tuesday, 23 January 2018 10:35:31 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 23/01/2018 05:28, tabbypurr wrote: On Monday, 22 January 2018 21:36:56 UTC, GB wrote: Are boiler fitters very strong? Some of these boilers are really quite heavy. 20 or 30kg is liftable. Sometimes its the awkward place they need to go that makes it hard - i.e. often working above a kitchen worktop, between cupboards etc when you can't really get under it or even get a good grip on it. I did one like that, right in the corner of a kitchen and although it was not that heavy in absolute terms (about 35kg) there was no way to actually get it in place directly. So in the end I stacked up a few power tool cases on the worktop, sat the boiler on them so that it was an inch higher than the wall bracket, and pushed it back against the wall. Hanging it was then just a job of keeping it against the wall, while pulling one of the tool cases out from under it so that it dropped onto the bracket. that's the way to do it. Another is to use 2 piles, adding a bit to each one in turn. They must be laterally stable enough though. (It can be more fun getting the old ones out - the Mexico I took out of here was something like 96kg! ouch NT (fortunately I had it on a long rad in the back of the car, so when I had to offload it at the scrappie, I had something that would slide out easily, and also gave a bit of mechanical advantage to the end that needed lifting). |
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On 23/01/2018 10:35, John Rumm wrote:
20 or 30kg is liftable. Sometimes its the awkward place they need to go that makes it hard - i.e. often working above a kitchen worktop, between cupboards etc when you can't really get under it or even get a good grip on it. I did one like that, right in the corner of a kitchen and although it was not that heavy in absolute terms (about 35kg) there was no way to actually get it in place directly. So in the end I stacked up a few power tool cases on the worktop, sat the boiler on them so that it was an inch higher than the wall bracket, and pushed it back against the wall. Hanging it was then just a job of keeping it against the wall, while pulling one of the tool cases out from under it so that it dropped onto the bracket. Have I seen an advert for some sort of block and tackle arrangement? Screw it to the wall. Lift the boiler into place safely, then unscrew it again. (It can be more fun getting the old ones out - the Mexico I took out of here was something like 96kg! (fortunately I had it on a long rad in the back of the car, so when I had to offload it at the scrappie, I had something that would slide out easily, and also gave a bit of mechanical advantage to the end that needed lifting). Can you lift 96kg? Otherwise, how did you get it into the car in the first place? ![]() |
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![]() "GB" wrote in message news ![]() On 23/01/2018 10:35, John Rumm wrote: 20 or 30kg is liftable. Sometimes its the awkward place they need to go that makes it hard - i.e. often working above a kitchen worktop, between cupboards etc when you can't really get under it or even get a good grip on it. I did one like that, right in the corner of a kitchen and although it was not that heavy in absolute terms (about 35kg) there was no way to actually get it in place directly. So in the end I stacked up a few power tool cases on the worktop, sat the boiler on them so that it was an inch higher than the wall bracket, and pushed it back against the wall. Hanging it was then just a job of keeping it against the wall, while pulling one of the tool cases out from under it so that it dropped onto the bracket. Have I seen an advert for some sort of block and tackle arrangement? Screw it to the wall. Lift the boiler into place safely, then unscrew it again. no doubt that's the official way :-) tim |
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GB wrote: Have I seen an advert for some sort of block and tackle arrangement? Screw it to the wall. Lift the boiler into place safely, then unscrew it again. My Viessmann has a mounting frame which weighs very little. You fix that to the wall first, then fit the boiler to that - an easy job. I had no trouble doing it on my own, and I'm not Charles Atlas. -- *That's it! I‘m calling grandma! Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 23/01/2018 10:46, GB wrote:
On 23/01/2018 10:35, John Rumm wrote: 20 or 30kg is liftable. Sometimes its the awkward place they need to go that makes it hard - i.e. often working above a kitchen worktop, between cupboards etc when you can't really get under it or even get a good grip on it. I did one like that, right in the corner of a kitchen and although it was not that heavy in absolute terms (about 35kg) there was no way to actually get it in place directly. So in the end I stacked up a few power tool cases on the worktop, sat the boiler on them so that it was an inch higher than the wall bracket, and pushed it back against the wall. Hanging it was then just a job of keeping it against the wall, while pulling one of the tool cases out from under it so that it dropped onto the bracket. Have I seen an advert for some sort of block and tackle arrangement? Screw it to the wall. Lift the boiler into place safely, then unscrew it again. (It can be more fun getting the old ones out - the Mexico I took out of here was something like 96kg! (fortunately I had it on a long rad in the back of the car, so when I had to offload it at the scrappie, I had something that would slide out easily, and also gave a bit of mechanical advantage to the end that needed lifting). Can you lift 96kg? Probably - just - but I would not risk trying to lift it outright these days! (I find it too easy to injure myself!) Otherwise, how did you get it into the car in the first place? ![]() By only taking part of the weight at any given time... Rocking it onto an edge let me get a sack trolley under it. Some wood ramps on the steps to wheel it out of the garden. Then at the car a rolled up blanket on the edge of the tailgate (for protection), and prop one end of long scrap rad on it as a ramp. Wheel the boiler a little way up the ramp, and then tip it forward and lower it onto the rad. Pick up the far end of the rad (that gives me some mechanical advantage, and the car already has more than half the weight), slide the lot into the car. Unloading was kind of the reverse of the process (I did not think the accelerate backward quickly and then brake technique would be looked upon favourably in the scrap yard ;-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 22/01/2018 21:36, GB wrote:
On 22/01/2018 20:17, wrote: On Monday, 22 January 2018 20:09:10 UTC, GBÂ* wrote: On 22/01/2018 19:57, ARW wrote: Bog standard combi that will need a condensate fitting when it is replaced. 7 rads and 2 sinks (but the existing boiler is not actually plumbed into the HW taps at these sinks) however it need not be super high powered [1]. Easy access to boiler and pipework. No breakables or expensive carpets to worry about in the building. Easy private parking (about 5ft from the front door of the building) for 3 vans if you want to.Condensate run not too bad down to the kitchen waste pipe area. I would say that I could do the job on my own in a day and I am not a plumber. [1] ATM the sinks HW (or lack of it) is fed from a broken electric 3kW HW wall mounted heater and it would cost less to plumb them into a combi than replace the HW heater so this is part of the quote. All quotes were NOT to include electrical work, cost of stats and programmers etc. Any guesses on the quotes? -- Adam I was quoted £2.2k in London for a new combi, but I specified a Vaillant that seems to cost around £1000.Â* In the end, it was done by someone else for around £1700. But you can also get a combi for £500 less. lot less than that on ebay Really? I was looking for 28KW, and the cheapest I could find is around the £500 mark. Maybe your search skills are better than mine?Â* Anyway, there's clearly scope to save a few bob on the boiler. I would say that I found the cheapest around the £500 mark including the flue! And that was for a 28kW. Are boiler fitters very strong? Some of these boilers are really quite heavy. At least you only have to usually lift it up onto a bracket. I am physically reaching the point where I am struggling to do that. It's time to get more exercise done. I removed a back boiler with a cast iron heat exchanger from a flat I'm renovating. No problem getting it downstairs on the sack truck, but there was no way at all I could get it in the car to take it to the dump. Very embarrassing.Â* ![]() It took 3 of us (and some swearing) to get my old Ideal Mexico boiler up the garden steps. Apparently swearing alters the value of gravity when you are lifting heavy things. -- Adam |
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On Tuesday, 23 January 2018 20:13:05 UTC, ARW wrote:
Do you have Low Surface Temperature guards on the radiators? No. Are they needed? The little *******s must have radiators at home and must be used to them by now. Probably not for Scouts but if they want to rent the hall out to playgroups etc then LST may be needed. If nothing else it helps to reduce the amount of playdough the little fingers can squidge into the radiator fins. Owain |
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wrote: Do you have Low Surface Temperature guards on the radiators? No. Are they needed? The little *******s must have radiators at home and must be used to them by now. They must have doors at home too, but that doesn't stop schools fitting those finger-guards everywhere ... |
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On 24/01/2018 00:47, Andy Burns wrote:
ARW wrote: wrote: Do you have Low Surface Temperature guards on the radiators? No. Are they needed? The little *******s must have radiators at home and must be used to them by now. They must have doors at home too, but that doesn't stop schools fitting those finger-guards everywhere ... I have yet to see them in a school apart from the special needs schools/areas. In fact I was rather surprised that I could take my ladders etc into a primary school hall on Tuesday and fit a socket for the projector screen whilst there were kids in the room having some sort of lesson. Some other schools require that I have a member of staff with me at all times and that I cannot work in a classroom that have children in it. -- Adam |
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On 25/01/2018 19:19, John wrote:
ARW wrote: I was rather surprised that I could take my ladders etc into a primary school hall on Tuesday and fit a socket for the projector screen whilst there were kids in the room having some sort of lesson. Some other schools require that I have a member of staff with me at all times and that I cannot work in a classroom that have children in it. Perhaps the lesson was about stranger danger... But I signed in:-) I got a piece of paper to stick on my chest. -- Adam |
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On Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:36:16 UTC, ARW wrote:
But I signed in:-) I got a piece of paper to stick on my chest. (a) Was it printed in Comic Sans? (b) Did it have your name and an expiry date on it, or could anyone use it at any time? Owain |
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ARW wrote: Some other schools require that I have a member of staff with me at all times and that I cannot work in a classroom that have children in it. Wise move. I'd want a minder too if I was working in a school. -- *Why is the word abbreviation so long? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 26/01/2018 00:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , ARW wrote: Some other schools require that I have a member of staff with me at all times and that I cannot work in a classroom that have children in it. Wise move. I'd want a minder too if I was working in a school. Indeed. They are there for my safety not the pupils safety. -- Adam |
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On 26/01/2018 19:12, ARW wrote:
On 25/01/2018 20:03, wrote: On Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:36:16 UTC, ARWÂ* wrote: But I signed in:-) I got a piece of paper to stick on my chest. (a) Was it printed in Comic Sans? (b) Did it have your name and an expiry date on it, or could anyone use it at any time? It had a photo of me, my name on it and a QR code square - the normal stuff you have done when you go to a school these days (or so it seems). What does the QR code contain? Your entire criminal record? -- Max Demian |
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On 26/01/2018 20:49, Max Demian wrote:
On 26/01/2018 19:12, ARW wrote: On 25/01/2018 20:03, wrote: On Thursday, 25 January 2018 19:36:16 UTC, ARWÂ* wrote: But I signed in:-) I got a piece of paper to stick on my chest. (a) Was it printed in Comic Sans? (b) Did it have your name and an expiry date on it, or could anyone use it at any time? It had a photo of me, my name on it and a QR code square - the normal stuff you have done when you go to a school these days (or so it seems). What does the QR code contain? Your entire criminal record? Dunno, it would not work with my Samsung A5 and it's QR reader app. -- Adam |
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On 25/01/2018 19:36, ARW wrote:
On 25/01/2018 19:19, John wrote: ARW wrote: I was rather surprised that I could take my ladders etc into a primary school hall on Tuesday and fit a socket for the projector screen whilst there were kids in the room having some sort of lesson. Some other schools require that I have a member of staff with me at all times and that I cannot work in a classroom that have children in it. Perhaps the lesson was about stranger danger... But I signed in:-) I got a piece of paper to stick on my chest. Gold star ?. |
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On 26/01/2018 19:28, ARW wrote:
On 26/01/2018 00:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* ARW wrote: Some other schools require that I have a member of staff with me at all times and that I cannot work in a classroom that have children in it. Wise move. I'd want a minder too if I was working in a school. Indeed. They are there for my safety not the pupils safety. -- Adam Indeed. Thieving bar stewards will nick your decent tools while your back is turned. |
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