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On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 16:54:32 UTC, harry wrote:
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Well if drone can fly by battery power why can't planes eventually run on batteries.

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 16:54:32 UTC, harry wrote:
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Well if drone can fly by battery power why can't planes eventually run on
batteries.

If stupid, spineless May has her way we'll all be thin and light enough for
battery powered flight.
50 billion is half of what steptoe would borrow, ludicrous.
Dave, I told you way back down the road, Brexit will never happen.
Don't worry yourself.

On 29/11/2017 18:16, bm wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 16:54:32 UTC, harry wrote:
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/ci...-Royce-Siemens

Well if drone can fly by battery power why can't planes eventually run on
batteries.

If stupid, spineless May has her way we'll all be thin and light enough for
battery powered flight.
50 billion is half of what steptoe would borrow, ludicrous.
Dave, I told you way back down the road, Brexit will never happen.
Don't worry yourself.



Its not May that is costing us 50 billion its people like you!
Just remember that when the suffering starts.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 29/11/2017 18:16, bm wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 16:54:32 UTC, harry wrote:
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/ci...-Royce-Siemens

Well if drone can fly by battery power why can't planes eventually run
on
batteries.

If stupid, spineless May has her way we'll all be thin and light enough
for
battery powered flight.
50 billion is half of what steptoe would borrow, ludicrous.
Dave, I told you way back down the road, Brexit will never happen.
Don't worry yourself.



Its not May that is costing us 50 billion its people like you!
Just remember that when the suffering starts.

Have you actually heard of the schoolkid tripe coming from the EU?
You wanna continue to be governed by those arseholes?
At least (even without a backbone) our guvmint are OUR arseholes (some of
'em).
Did you have a look at FCO 30/1048 or did you convince yourself it was
********?

On 30/11/2017 09:23, bm wrote:
"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 29/11/2017 18:16, bm wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 16:54:32 UTC, harry wrote:
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/ci...-Royce-Siemens

Well if drone can fly by battery power why can't planes eventually run
on
batteries.

If stupid, spineless May has her way we'll all be thin and light enough
for
battery powered flight.
50 billion is half of what steptoe would borrow, ludicrous.
Dave, I told you way back down the road, Brexit will never happen.
Don't worry yourself.



Its not May that is costing us 50 billion its people like you!
Just remember that when the suffering starts.

Have you actually heard of the schoolkid tripe coming from the EU?
You wanna continue to be governed by those arseholes?
At least (even without a backbone) our guvmint are OUR arseholes (some of
'em).
Did you have a look at FCO 30/1048 or did you convince yourself it was
********?



Everything you say is ********.

In article . com,
bm wrote:
Its not May that is costing us 50 billion its people like you!
Just remember that when the suffering starts.

Have you actually heard of the schoolkid tripe coming from the EU?
You wanna continue to be governed by those arseholes?
At least (even without a backbone) our guvmint are OUR arseholes (some of
'em).
Did you have a look at FCO 30/1048 or did you convince yourself it was
********?

Wonder what your real agenda is by wanting to bring the country down - as
would happen if we leave the EU without a trade agreement, and nothing to
replace it in force? Apart from the wild assumptions from the likes of you
that it will be easy to set up new trade agreements with other countries -
despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Seems to me just a hope of an old man to go back to when things were
better for him, remembered through distinctly rose tinted specs.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 29/11/2017 18:16, bm wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 16:54:32 UTC, harry wrote:
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/ci...-Royce-Siemens

Well if drone can fly by battery power why can't planes eventually run
on
batteries.

If stupid, spineless May has her way we'll all be thin and light enough
for
battery powered flight.
50 billion is half of what steptoe would borrow, ludicrous.
Dave, I told you way back down the road, Brexit will never happen.
Don't worry yourself.

Its not May that is costing us 50 billion

Corse it is. Davis should be telling the EU to go
and **** themselves and that Article 50 says nothing
about any exit fee and neither does the Lisbon treaty.

its people like you!

Just another of your bare faced remoaner lies.

Just remember that when the suffering starts.

It wont, you watch.

On 29/11/17 17:02, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 16:54:32 UTC, harry wrote:
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Well if drone can fly by battery power why can't planes eventually run on batteries.

They already can. Just not for very long



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gets full Marx.

On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 18:48:26 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/11/17 17:02, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 16:54:32 UTC, harry wrote:
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/ci...-Royce-Siemens

Well if drone can fly by battery power why can't planes eventually run on batteries.

They already can. Just not for very long

Solar Impulse 2, did OK

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 18:48:26 UTC, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 29/11/17 17:02, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 16:54:32 UTC, harry wrote:
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/ci...-Royce-Siemens

Well if drone can fly by battery power why can't planes eventually run
on batteries.

They already can. Just not for very long

Solar Impulse 2, did OK

Pity about the number of pax it can carry. Like none, zero, nada, ziltch.

On Thursday, 30 November 2017 21:04:53 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 18:48:26 UTC, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 29/11/17 17:02, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 16:54:32 UTC, harry wrote:
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/ci...-Royce-Siemens

Well if drone can fly by battery power why can't planes eventually run
on batteries.

They already can. Just not for very long

Solar Impulse 2, did OK

Pity about the number of pax it can carry. Like none, zero, nada, ziltch.

How many pax could the wright brothers plane carry ?

On 30/11/2017 12:08, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 18:48:26 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/11/17 17:02, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 16:54:32 UTC, harry wrote:
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/ci...-Royce-Siemens

Well if drone can fly by battery power why can't planes eventually run on batteries.

They already can. Just not for very long

Solar Impulse 2, did OK


You do know why it flew in the direction it did?
You won't see a return journey from it.
Hot air balloons did it quicker with more passengers.

On Friday, 1 December 2017 09:20:05 UTC, dennis@home wrote:
On 30/11/2017 12:08, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 18:48:26 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 29/11/17 17:02, whisky-dave wrote:
On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 16:54:32 UTC, harry wrote:
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/ci...-Royce-Siemens

Well if drone can fly by battery power why can't planes eventually run on batteries.

They already can. Just not for very long

Solar Impulse 2, did OK


You do know why it flew in the direction it did?
You won't see a return journey from it.
Hot air balloons did it quicker with more passengers.

You do know why planes follow the routes they do don't you ?

"whisky-dave" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 16:54:32 UTC, harry wrote:
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Well if drone can fly by battery power why can't planes eventually run on
batteries.

They tend to be a tad larger and fly rather further.

Rod Speed has brought this to us :
They tend to be a tad larger and fly rather further.

...and much faster.

harry explained :
https://www.express.co.uk/finance/ci...-Royce-Siemens

A long (very) extension lead?

I have not read it but to my knowledge Airbus have had an electric light
aircraft flying for some years. it had a somewhat limited range though so
was only for research into battery tech.
Brian

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On 29/11/17 16:54, harry wrote:
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Well, as far as I can tell, the Outlander PHEV generates electricity and
uses it to power electric motors when the batteries are 'flat'. Yes, I
know, at first it seems inefficient but going by the consumption I'm
getting on long trips- when the distance travelled on battery is tiny
fraction of the trip or I've not been able to 'plug in', it seems
remarkably good compared to a comparable petrol 4x4 which is actually
lighter (but admittedly older).

You can also charge the batteries from the engine.

In message , Brian Reay writes
Well, as far as I can tell, the Outlander PHEV generates electricity
and uses it to power electric motors when the batteries are 'flat'.
Yes, I know, at first it seems inefficient but going by the consumption
I'm getting on long trips- when the distance travelled on battery is
tiny fraction of the trip or I've not been able to 'plug in', it seems
remarkably good compared to a comparable petrol 4x4 which is actually
lighter (but admittedly older).

You can also charge the batteries from the engine.

Just for interest, because there's no way I can afford one, why are
these relatively heavy hybrid 4 x 4's so lacking in towing performance
compared with a petrol or diesel vehicle?
The diesel Outlander is lighter, but can tow much more.
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Bill

In article ,
Bill wrote:
Just for interest, because there's no way I can afford one, why are
these relatively heavy hybrid 4 x 4's so lacking in towing performance
compared with a petrol or diesel vehicle?
The diesel Outlander is lighter, but can tow much more.


Because towing can require a fairly constant power output. A hybrid can
provide bursts of high power, but not sustained. They are basically town
vehicles.

I well remember hiring an early Prius. MPG around town was amazing. But on
a long journey with a full load trying to keep up with motorway speeds,
MPG was abysmal - far worse than an equivalent performance petrol car.
let alone diesel.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Bill wrote:
Just for interest, because there's no way I can afford one, why are
these relatively heavy hybrid 4 x 4's so lacking in towing performance
compared with a petrol or diesel vehicle?
The diesel Outlander is lighter, but can tow much more.


Because towing can require a fairly constant power output. A hybrid can
provide bursts of high power, but not sustained. They are basically town
vehicles.

I well remember hiring an early Prius. MPG around town was amazing. But on
a long journey with a full load trying to keep up with motorway speeds,
MPG was abysmal - far worse than an equivalent performance petrol car.
let alone diesel.

OK, but my first LR 110 with its ancient, low powered but utterly
reliable 2.25 petrol engine could barely reach motorway speeds on its
own, let alone keep up.

It was rated for towing 3.5 tons and we towed lower weights with it
fine. I always thought that the towing rating was based on structural
strength and weight of the towing vehicle rather than power.

A heavy hybrid 4 x 4 might not be for me, it seems.
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Bill

In article ,
Bill wrote:
I well remember hiring an early Prius. MPG around town was amazing. But on
a long journey with a full load trying to keep up with motorway speeds,
MPG was abysmal - far worse than an equivalent performance petrol car.
let alone diesel.

OK, but my first LR 110 with its ancient, low powered but utterly
reliable 2.25 petrol engine could barely reach motorway speeds on its
own, let alone keep up.

It was rated for towing 3.5 tons and we towed lower weights with it
fine. I always thought that the towing rating was based on structural
strength and weight of the towing vehicle rather than power.

It's going to need an excess of 'power' over what it needs for itself to
tow. Especially up hills. Hybrids tend to provide the extra power for hill
climbing etc via the electric motor. On a ordinary vehicle you can just
use a lower gear, and do it more slowly. With a hybrid, when the battery
is exhausted, no additional power.

Not to say you couldn't make a tow vehicle using the technology.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 01/12/2017 12:56, Bill wrote:
OK, but my first LR 110 with its ancient, low powered but utterly
reliable 2.25 petrol engine could barely reach motorway speeds on its
own, let alone keep up.

A reliable Landrover???

It was rated for towing 3.5 tons and we towed lower weights with it
fine. I always thought that the towing rating was based on structural
strength and weight of the towing vehicle rather than power.

AIUI it's based on restarting on a 1 in 3 hill. With 4WD and low ratio
they can produce a ridiculously large force. Just not at any speed.

A heavy hybrid 4 x 4 might not be for me, it seems.

I didn't realise until after we'd bought it that my wife's new car won't
allow a towbar. I only need to tow 200Kg FFS...

Andy

In article , Bill
writes
In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Bill wrote:
Just for interest, because there's no way I can afford one, why are
these relatively heavy hybrid 4 x 4's so lacking in towing performance
compared with a petrol or diesel vehicle?
The diesel Outlander is lighter, but can tow much more.


Because towing can require a fairly constant power output. A hybrid can
provide bursts of high power, but not sustained. They are basically town
vehicles.

I well remember hiring an early Prius. MPG around town was amazing. But on
a long journey with a full load trying to keep up with motorway speeds,
MPG was abysmal - far worse than an equivalent performance petrol car.
let alone diesel.

OK, but my first LR 110 with its ancient, low powered but utterly
reliable 2.25 petrol engine could barely reach motorway speeds on its
own, let alone keep up.


It was rated for towing 3.5 tons and we towed lower weights with it
fine. I always thought that the towing rating was based on structural
strength and weight of the towing vehicle rather than power.

The ability to tow a weight simply requires the vehicle to overcome the
rolling resistance of the load. Max towing weight depends upon a number
of factors. Just buy a motorhome and you will soon find out :-)
A heavy hybrid 4 x 4 might not be for me, it seems.

--
bert

On 29-Nov-17 4:54 PM, harry wrote:
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Why not? You need a lot less power to stay in the air than to get off
the ground in the first place.

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On 29/11/17 18:19, Nightjar wrote:
On 29-Nov-17 4:54 PM, harry wrote:
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Why not? You need a lot less power to stay in the air than to get off
the ground in the first place.


Indeed. criusie power on an efficient airframe is the same as the glide
slope in terms of ft lb per second descent..but to gain altudude you
need a lot more.

You calcualate 1000fpm and turn that into watts per lb...



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time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

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Jethro_uk wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:52:19 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 29/11/17 18:19, Nightjar wrote:
On 29-Nov-17 4:54 PM, harry wrote:
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engine-Rolls-Royce-Siemens



Why not? You need a lot less power to stay in the air than to get off
the ground in the first place.


Indeed. criusie power on an efficient airframe is the same as the glide
slope in terms of ft lb per second descent..but to gain altudude you
need a lot more.

This is where engineering and population spectacularly fail to intersect.

Given the location of most busy airports, a rapid ascent is essential in
the event of a problem developing (as the film "Sully" demonstrates).

Now if airports were much more coastal (given the one thing the UK has is
a practically infinite coastline) then it would make sense.

There's always Sumburgh. Both end of the runway have the sea!


But it's interesting that the UK has tended to site it's big cities
markedly inland.

perhaps because people drink fresh water?

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On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 08:54:28 -0800 (PST), harry
coalesced the vapors of human experience
into a viable and meaningful comprehension...

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The images don't match the copy, they relate to different stories,
albeit Airbus related.


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Graham. explained on 29/11/2017 :
The images don't match the copy, they relate to different stories,
albeit Airbus related.

The trick is that all of the passenger seats will be equipped with
pedals, connected to generators, which then keep the batteries charged.

On 29/11/2017 19:20, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Graham. explained on 29/11/2017 :
The images don't match the copy, they relate to different stories,
albeit Airbus related.

The trick is that all of the passenger seats will be equipped with
pedals, connected to generators, which then keep the batteries charged.

Nah, there will be a fancy gym with all sorts of treadmills, rowing
machines, etc

On 29-Nov-17 7:20 PM, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Graham. explained on 29/11/2017 :
The images don't match the copy, they relate to different stories,
albeit Airbus related.

The trick is that all of the passenger seats will be equipped with
pedals, connected to generators, which then keep the batteries charged.

A good way to avoid DVT :-)

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Colin Bignell