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In this case I am referring to the Beavers, Cubs, Scouts and Explorer
Scouts and maybe some of their parents from my local area. Last years attendance was appalling. I accept that turning up is voluntary, but so is the work some people put in 52 weeks of the year to allow the groups to exist just to babysit the kids one evening a week.[1] I am expecting a good result from the Explorers this year. [1] I'll tell you when I get back about the "new" parent that gave an evenings help as we needed an extra adult. -- Adam |
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writes In this case I am referring to the Beavers, Cubs, Scouts and Explorer Scouts and maybe some of their parents from my local area. Being part of the parade, and service afterwards, was as good as compulsory in my day. I don't think it had to be compulsory though - it was just something people did. -- Graeme |
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"ARW" wrote in message ... In this case I am referring to the Beavers, Cubs, Scouts and Explorer Scouts and maybe some of their parents from my local area. Last years attendance was appalling. I accept that turning up is voluntary, but so is the work some people put in 52 weeks of the year to allow the groups to exist just to babysit the kids one evening a week.[1] I am expecting a good result from the Explorers this year. Only because you used cattle prods on them last year... [1] I'll tell you when I get back about the "new" parent that gave an evenings help as we needed an extra adult. |
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On Sunday, 12 November 2017 10:41:35 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
I am expecting a good result from the Explorers this year. Only because you used cattle prods on them last year... In Adam's case a megger would be more likely. Owain |
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On Sunday, 12 November 2017 09:25:16 UTC, ARW wrote:
[1] I'll tell you when I get back about the "new" parent that gave an evenings help as we needed an extra adult. Fit, was she? Owain |
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On 12/11/2017 09:45, Graeme wrote:
In message , ARW writes In this case I am referring to the Beavers, Cubs, Scouts and Explorer Scouts and maybe some of their parents from my local area. Being part of the parade, and service afterwards, was as good as compulsory in my day.Â* I don't think it had to be compulsory though - it was just something people did. 8 out of 12 Beavers attended this year - and I'll make that 9 out of 12 as one said he would not be attending our service because he already attends a different church every Sunday with his parents. Better than last year when only one turned up (the flag bearer) along with one other who was not yet inducted. -- Adam |
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On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 09:45:52 +0000, Graeme wrote:
In message , ARW writes In this case I am referring to the Beavers, Cubs, Scouts and Explorer Scouts and maybe some of their parents from my local area. Being part of the parade, and service afterwards, was as good as compulsory in my day. I don't think it had to be compulsory though - it was just something people did. I used to do it every year as part of the Royal Marine Cadets. WE did Trfalgar day too (twice, actually travelling from Brighton to Trfalgar Square). -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 12/11/2017 09:25, ARW wrote:
In this case I am referring to the Beavers, Cubs, Scouts and Explorer Scouts and maybe some of their parents from my local area. Last years attendance was appalling. I accept that turning up is voluntary, but so is the work some people put in 52 weeks of the year to allow the groups to exist just to babysit the kids one evening a week.[1] I am expecting a good result from the Explorers this year. [1] I'll tell you when I get back about the "new" parent that gave an evenings help as we needed an extra adult. Most have some desirable evening activity with a sleep-over to 'encourage' attendance! I suppose sleep-overs are problematic with children and current paranoia. |
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On 12/11/2017 12:59, ARW wrote:
So we now have a fully qualified accountant doing the books for free... The first thing he asked after checking the books was "Adam, you have taken £3.70 out of petty cash, bought a kebab with it and put the receipt for the kebab back into petty cash with a note on the back of it saying "Love from Adam XXX" Why?" "Well it took me 2 hours to fix the Scout hut boiler and there is a kebab shop next to the Scout hut and I was hungry OK?" How is that different, in principle, from getting your moat fixed as an MP? :) |
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Rod Speed wrote I am expecting a good result from the Explorers this year. Only because you used cattle prods on them last year... In Adam's case a megger would be more likely. Nothing like as convenient to use when rounding them up or making them take a shower. Tho why anyone bothers with kids and the last is beyond me. |
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On Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 12:59:05 PM UTC, ARW wrote:
On 12/11/2017 10:52, wrote: On Sunday, 12 November 2017 09:25:16 UTC, ARW wrote: [1] I'll tell you when I get back about the "new" parent that gave an evenings help as we needed an extra adult. Fit, was she? Male actually. Our Beavers have new rules due to the lack of helpers. "One parent must agree to attend and help out one week out of eight or their child will not be allowed to join" Well one Dad came down to help out, but before coming down he emailed Louise to say that he was only helping out because he was forced to and was turning up under protest. He did the one night under protest (dressed like a **** in a suit) but he enjoyed it, figured out how much work goes into it running the place and then volunteered for the vacant treasurers job. So we now have a fully qualified accountant doing the books for free... The first thing he asked after checking the books was "Adam, you have taken £3.70 out of petty cash, bought a kebab with it and put the receipt for the kebab back into petty cash with a note on the back of it saying "Love from Adam XXX" Why?" "Well it took me 2 hours to fix the Scout hut boiler and there is a kebab shop next to the Scout hut and I was hungry OK?" Bit of a cheek ragging on others for not contributing their time and then robbing the Scouts to finance your lunch. |
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On 13/11/2017 07:47, Halmyre wrote:
On Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 12:59:05 PM UTC, ARW wrote: On 12/11/2017 10:52, wrote: On Sunday, 12 November 2017 09:25:16 UTC, ARW wrote: [1] I'll tell you when I get back about the "new" parent that gave an evenings help as we needed an extra adult. Fit, was she? Male actually. Our Beavers have new rules due to the lack of helpers. "One parent must agree to attend and help out one week out of eight or their child will not be allowed to join" Well one Dad came down to help out, but before coming down he emailed Louise to say that he was only helping out because he was forced to and was turning up under protest. He did the one night under protest (dressed like a **** in a suit) but he enjoyed it, figured out how much work goes into it running the place and then volunteered for the vacant treasurers job. So we now have a fully qualified accountant doing the books for free... The first thing he asked after checking the books was "Adam, you have taken £3.70 out of petty cash, bought a kebab with it and put the receipt for the kebab back into petty cash with a note on the back of it saying "Love from Adam XXX" Why?" "Well it took me 2 hours to fix the Scout hut boiler and there is a kebab shop next to the Scout hut and I was hungry OK?" Bit of a cheek ragging on others for not contributing their time and then robbing the Scouts to finance your lunch. 2 hours free labour and free parts that cost more than £3.70? The accountant thinks the Scouts got a bargain. BTW it's not lunch when you start the job at 7pm after a 11 hour shift at work. -- Adam |
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On Monday, 13 November 2017 17:58:54 UTC, ARW wrote:
On 13/11/2017 07:47, Halmyre wrote: On Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 12:59:05 PM UTC, ARW wrote: So we now have a fully qualified accountant doing the books for free.... The first thing he asked after checking the books was "Adam, you have taken £3.70 out of petty cash, bought a kebab with it and put the receipt for the kebab back into petty cash with a note on the back of it saying "Love from Adam XXX" Why?" "Well it took me 2 hours to fix the Scout hut boiler and there is a kebab shop next to the Scout hut and I was hungry OK?" Bit of a cheek ragging on others for not contributing their time and then robbing the Scouts to finance your lunch. 2 hours free labour and free parts that cost more than £3.70? The accountant thinks the Scouts got a bargain. BTW it's not lunch when you start the job at 7pm after a 11 hour shift at work. If Halmyre thinks working for £1.85 an hour is cheeky, maybe he'd like to come this way. I've got plenty of stuff needs diying. |
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On 12 Nov 2017 12:32:42 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 09:45:52 +0000, Graeme wrote: In message , ARW writes In this case I am referring to the Beavers, Cubs, Scouts and Explorer Scouts and maybe some of their parents from my local area. Being part of the parade, and service afterwards, was as good as compulsory in my day. I don't think it had to be compulsory though - it was just something people did. I used to do it every year as part of the Royal Marine Cadets. WE did Trfalgar day too (twice, actually travelling from Brighton to Trfalgar Square). I was (reluctantly, parents idea) in the Cubs then had a few weeks in the Scouts but found all the inflexibility in what they did (and the level they did it, potentially at the beginning) very frustrating. The same happened with our daughter and the Brownies. The only time I really remember from all my time in either was a camp at Gilwell Park and sailing on The Broads (that I did with the family anyway). However, if you aren't / weren't lucky enough to do stuff with your family or be fully entertained 24/7 doing your own stuff (as I was), I can see how it is / was a very good thing. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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On Monday, 13 November 2017 17:58:54 UTC, ARW wrote:
2 hours free labour and free parts that cost more than £3.70? The accountant thinks the Scouts got a bargain. But parts are tax-deductable; kebabs aren't. That and it's unusual to write "love" on expenses chitties. Owain |
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 19:08:49 +0000, T i m wrote:
On 12 Nov 2017 12:32:42 GMT, Bob Eager wrote: On Sun, 12 Nov 2017 09:45:52 +0000, Graeme wrote: In message , ARW writes In this case I am referring to the Beavers, Cubs, Scouts and Explorer Scouts and maybe some of their parents from my local area. Being part of the parade, and service afterwards, was as good as compulsory in my day. I don't think it had to be compulsory though - it was just something people did. I used to do it every year as part of the Royal Marine Cadets. WE did Trfalgar day too (twice, actually travelling from Brighton to Trfalgar Square). I was (reluctantly, parents idea) in the Cubs then had a few weeks in the Scouts but found all the inflexibility in what they did (and the level they did it, potentially at the beginning) very frustrating. The same happened with our daughter and the Brownies. I was in the Cubs, the Scouts. They were expecting me to leave as soon as I was old enough for the Royal Marine Cadets...and I did. So did my brother. Might have had something to do with the facts that my dad ran the cadets. I had great fun. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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ARW wrote 2 hours free labour and free parts that cost more than £3.70? The accountant thinks the Scouts got a bargain. But parts are tax-deductable; kebabs aren't. Scouts arent taxed. That and it's unusual to write "love" on expenses chitties. Its unusual to chase the worst of the apprentices around the yard and leave him in tears too. |
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On Monday, 13 November 2017 17:58:54 UTC, ARW wrote: 2 hours free labour and free parts that cost more than £3.70? The accountant thinks the Scouts got a bargain. But parts are tax-deductable; kebabs aren't. That and it's unusual to write "love" on expenses chitties. Owain If I were the treasurer I might be considering my position re harassment. -- Roger Hayter |
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On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:09:51 +0000, SteveE
wrote: But parts are tax-deductable; kebabs aren't. That and it's unusual to write "love" on expenses chitties. Owain If I were the treasurer I might be considering my position re harassment. If I were the treasurer, I would smile at Adam's note, realising that the Scouts did get a very good deal and a kebab is not bad in return for his work! Perhaps one of the parents could pay for it, it would then be Donated Kebab. G. Harman |
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On 13 Nov 2017 20:09:13 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:
snip I was (reluctantly, parents idea) in the Cubs then had a few weeks in the Scouts but found all the inflexibility in what they did (and the level they did it, potentially at the beginning) very frustrating. The same happened with our daughter and the Brownies. I was in the Cubs, the Scouts. They were expecting me to leave as soon as I was old enough for the Royal Marine Cadets...and I did. So did my brother. Might have had something to do with the facts that my dad ran the cadets. I had great fun. Em, well, yes, that might make a difference. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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On 12/11/2017 13:52, Fredxxx wrote:
On 12/11/2017 09:25, ARW wrote: In this case I am referring to the Beavers, Cubs, Scouts and Explorer Scouts and maybe some of their parents from my local area. Last years attendance was appalling. I accept that turning up is voluntary, but so is the work some people put in 52 weeks of the year to allow the groups to exist just to babysit the kids one evening a week.[1] I am expecting a good result from the Explorers this year. [1] I'll tell you when I get back about the "new" parent that gave an evenings help as we needed an extra adult. Most have some desirable evening activity with a sleep-over to 'encourage' attendance! I suppose sleep-overs are problematic with children and current paranoia. Did you sleep with this woman? Not a wink, M'Lud |
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On 12/11/2017 12:59, ARW wrote:
On 12/11/2017 10:52, wrote: On Sunday, 12 November 2017 09:25:16 UTC, ARWÂ* wrote: [1] I'll tell you when I get back about the "new" parent that gave an evenings help as we needed an extra adult. Fit, was she? Male actually. Our Beavers have new rules due to the lack of helpers. "One parent must agree to attend and help out one week out of eight or their child will not be allowed to join" Well one Dad came down to help out, but before coming down he emailed Louise to say that he was only helping out because he was forced to and was turning up under protest. Don't they have to undergo and pass a Criminal Records Check in order to supervise other peoples children? -- mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On Monday, 13 November 2017 20:29:54 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
But parts are tax-deductable; kebabs aren't. Scouts arent taxed. Adam is though, so reimbursement of kebab would usually be taxed at source. Might depend on whether it was chilli source or garlic source though. Owain |
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"alan_m" wrote in message ... On 12/11/2017 12:59, ARW wrote: On 12/11/2017 10:52, wrote: On Sunday, 12 November 2017 09:25:16 UTC, ARW wrote: [1] I'll tell you when I get back about the "new" parent that gave an evenings help as we needed an extra adult. Fit, was she? Male actually. Our Beavers have new rules due to the lack of helpers. "One parent must agree to attend and help out one week out of eight or their child will not be allowed to join" Well one Dad came down to help out, but before coming down he emailed Louise to say that he was only helping out because he was forced to and was turning up under protest. Don't they have to undergo and pass a Criminal Records Check in order to supervise other peoples children? Doesnt stop it happening. |
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Rod Speed wrote But parts are tax-deductable; kebabs aren't. Scouts arent taxed. Adam is though, so reimbursement of kebab would usually be taxed at source. Not when volunteering or participating in hobby activity. Or when being rewarded for doing something useful for a mate either. Might depend on whether it was chilli source or garlic source though. Nope. |
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On 12/11/2017 12:59, ARW wrote: On 12/11/2017 10:52, wrote: On Sunday, 12 November 2017 09:25:16 UTC, ARW wrote: [1] I'll tell you when I get back about the "new" parent that gave an evenings help as we needed an extra adult. Fit, was she? Male actually. Our Beavers have new rules due to the lack of helpers. "One parent must agree to attend and help out one week out of eight or their child will not be allowed to join" Well one Dad came down to help out, but before coming down he emailed Louise to say that he was only helping out because he was forced to and was turning up under protest. Don't they have to undergo and pass a Criminal Records Check in order to supervise other peoples children? DBS now I believe m'lud... -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On Monday, 13 November 2017 20:29:54 UTC, Rod Speed wrote: But parts are tax-deductable; kebabs aren't. Scouts arent taxed. Adam is though, so reimbursement of kebab would usually be taxed at source. Might depend on whether it was chilli source or garlic source though. Owain Bubum tiss I thank yo! -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 13/11/2017 21:45, alan_m wrote:
On 12/11/2017 12:59, ARW wrote: On 12/11/2017 10:52, wrote: On Sunday, 12 November 2017 09:25:16 UTC, ARWÂ* wrote: [1] I'll tell you when I get back about the "new" parent that gave an evenings help as we needed an extra adult. Fit, was she? Male actually. Our Beavers have new rules due to the lack of helpers. "One parent must agree to attend and help out one week out of eight or their child will not be allowed to join" Well one Dad came down to help out, but before coming down he emailed Louise to say that he was only helping out because he was forced to and was turning up under protest. Don't they have to undergo and pass a Criminal Records Check in order to supervise other peoples children? Not AFAIK for occasional help at meetings. It is after all quite common for the parents of new starters at the Cubs to stop the first couple of weeks.The sooner they stop doing that the better it as as the child usually comes out of their shell once Mummy has gone. You need one if you stop overnight with your child on camp - as some parents do. -- Adam |
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On 13/11/2017 21:09, SteveE wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:01:08 +0000 (Roger Hayter) wrote: wrote: On Monday, 13 November 2017 17:58:54 UTC, ARW wrote: 2 hours free labour and free parts that cost more than £3.70? The accountant thinks the Scouts got a bargain. But parts are tax-deductable; kebabs aren't. That and it's unusual to write "love" on expenses chitties. Owain If I were the treasurer I might be considering my position re harassment. If I were the treasurer, I would smile at Adam's note, realising that the Scouts did get a very good deal and a kebab is not bad in return for his work! It was late at night, I was starving, there was a kebab shop next door and a cash point across the road. I did not have my cash card with me and I needed to get done. I left the note for Lou as I thought she would have replaced the receipt for cash when she next had a meeting. The treasurer got the receipt before she had the next meeting:-). I normally don't even charge for parts when working there. It was just one of those days! -- Adam |
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On 13/11/2017 20:28, Robin wrote:
On 13/11/2017 19:14, wrote: On Monday, 13 November 2017 17:58:54 UTC, ARWÂ* wrote: 2 hours free labour and free parts that cost more than £3.70? The accountant thinks the Scouts got a bargain. But parts are tax-deductable; kebabs aren't. Why would a Scout group be taxable? One to ask the treasurer. Can they claim tax relief on anything if at all if I was to actually hand in the receipts for the parts I have paid for? I only do the odd DIY and sometimes pro jobs at the hut, make up the numbers of responsible adults on camp etc. Although at the end of the day it's a small Scout hut that is used three times a week plus on special occasions. -- Adam |
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On 14/11/2017 19:14, ARW wrote:
Although at the end of the day it's a small Scout hut A scout hut that changes size at different times of day? |
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On 14/11/17 19:01, ARW wrote:
On 13/11/2017 21:09, SteveE wrote: On Mon, 13 Nov 2017 21:01:08 +0000 (Roger Hayter) wrote: wrote: On Monday, 13 November 2017 17:58:54 UTC, ARWÂ* wrote: 2 hours free labour and free parts that cost more than £3.70? The accountant thinks the Scouts got a bargain. But parts are tax-deductable; kebabs aren't. That and it's unusual to write "love" on expenses chitties. Owain If I were the treasurer I might be considering my position re harassment. If I were the treasurer, I would smile at Adam's note, realising that the Scouts did get a very good deal and a kebab is not bad in return for his work! It was late at night, I was starving, there was a kebab shop next door and a cash point across the road. I did not have my cash card with me and I needed to get done. I left the note for Lou as I thought she would have replaced the receipt for cash when she next had a meeting. The treasurer got the receipt before she had the next meeting:-). I normally don't even charge for parts when working there. It was just one of those days! Subsistence is tax deductible -- In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone gets full Marx. |
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On 14/11/2017 19:14, ARW wrote:
On 13/11/2017 20:28, Robin wrote: On 13/11/2017 19:14, wrote: On Monday, 13 November 2017 17:58:54 UTC, ARWÂ* wrote: 2 hours free labour and free parts that cost more than £3.70? The accountant thinks the Scouts got a bargain. But parts are tax-deductable; kebabs aren't. Why would a Scout group be taxable? One to ask the treasurer. Sorry, I meant it to be a rhetorical question. I never heard of any bit of the scouts that wasn't a charity (save possibly some of the regional bodies). Can they claim tax relief on anything if at all if I was to actually hand in the receipts for the parts I have paid for? Not in the usual sense. But for completeness you could ask if they bother with gift aid. If they do, rather than spend £10 on parts you could (for tax purposes); give them £10 and gift aid it; then they give you £10 to buy the parts; and they claim gift aid on the £10 gift which means HMRC give them £2.50. Unless they have changed the legislation it's even all legal if they authorise you to buy parts for the scout hut as their agent and that's the basis on which you do so. But gift aid is a bit of a pain in terms of getting people to declare they are taxpayers and keeping records so not worth it if all it yields is the price of an occasional kebab. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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On Tuesday, 14 November 2017 19:18:10 UTC, GB wrote:
Although at the end of the day it's a small Scout hut A scout hut that changes size at different times of day? Perhaps the girl guides took the joists to use for stretcher bearers in their first aid class? (To the Manor Born) Owain |
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