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http://cpc.farnell.com/unbranded/500...ance-camera/dp
/LP1071287

"With flashing LED light"

Poor Kids ...

Out of stock - but available via eBay from 7.95!

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On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 09:23:41 +0000, Adrian Caspersz
wrote:

http://cpc.farnell.com/unbranded/500...a/dp/LP1071287

"With flashing LED light"

Poor Kids ...
Blimey. got that very page open here atm and was thinking how tacky
that is,
I've never seen a real Elf let alone a dummy one.

Unfortunately we are past the stage where ourselves, friends and
relatives have young children, otherwise I'd have given a couple whose
birthdays were in Autumn/early Winter a trail camera.
"If you set this up on Christmas Eve you'll catch Father Christmas."

Explain that picture Daddy.

G. Harman

On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 09:35:57 +0000, wrote:

snip

Unfortunately we are past the stage where ourselves, friends and
relatives have young children, otherwise I'd have given a couple whose
birthdays were in Autumn/early Winter a trail camera.
"If you set this up on Christmas Eve you'll catch Father Christmas."

Explain that picture Daddy.

Quite ;-)

I don't think I was really ever convinced by the whole Xmyth and
'Father Christmas' thing, or not since I could consider practical
matters (like how an adult man could get into our lounge though a
Parkray glass fronted solid fuel fire).

I went along with it of course because I got presents, even after I
was 100% sure my own parents (and others) were lying to me and then
was 'obliged' to continue with the whole scam 'in case I spoiled it
for other children still believed in it'. ;-(

Same sort of thing with the 'Tooth Fairy' or 'The bogie man' etc.

I got out of going to Sunday School as soon as they let me and haven't
been back since and that and our daughter now being 27, we don't have
to go though any of that 'Commercial spirit of Xmyth' stuff.

So, we have done all our Xmyth shopping (true, we have done all we are
going to and that's none g) and we haven't sent an Xmyth card (real
or 'e') for ~30 years. If we know someone might like something or we
feel the need to give someone a gift we do so at any time of the year.
shrug

We still get a couple of cards though, one from the local Kebab shop
g and a neighbour who insists he likes sending us one, even though I
tell him it will go straight in the recycling unopened (my protest to
him is the 'wasted' paper and card etc). I don't get how someone would
still get pleasure doing something under those circumstances ...
unless he's on some sort of card-sale commission! [1] ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[1] And to those who give 'good cause' cards ... I wonder what
percentage they actually make from them and how much more they could
earn if you gave them the pack price but didn't take the bits of
folded cardboard and envelopes?

On 29/10/2017 10:29, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 09:35:57 +0000, wrote:

snip

Unfortunately we are past the stage where ourselves, friends and
relatives have young children, otherwise I'd have given a couple whose
birthdays were in Autumn/early Winter a trail camera.
"If you set this up on Christmas Eve you'll catch Father Christmas."

Explain that picture Daddy.

Quite ;-)

I don't think I was really ever convinced by the whole Xmyth and
'Father Christmas' thing, or not since I could consider practical
matters (like how an adult man could get into our lounge though a
Parkray glass fronted solid fuel fire).

I went along with it of course because I got presents, even after I
was 100% sure my own parents (and others) were lying to me and then
was 'obliged' to continue with the whole scam 'in case I spoiled it
for other children still believed in it'. ;-(

Same sort of thing with the 'Tooth Fairy' or 'The bogie man' etc.

I got out of going to Sunday School as soon as they let me and haven't
been back since and that and our daughter now being 27, we don't have
to go though any of that 'Commercial spirit of Xmyth' stuff.

So, we have done all our Xmyth shopping (true, we have done all we are
going to and that's none g) and we haven't sent an Xmyth card (real
or 'e') for ~30 years. If we know someone might like something or we
feel the need to give someone a gift we do so at any time of the year.
shrug

We still get a couple of cards though, one from the local Kebab shop
g and a neighbour who insists he likes sending us one, even though I
tell him it will go straight in the recycling unopened (my protest to
him is the 'wasted' paper and card etc). I don't get how someone would
still get pleasure doing something under those circumstances ...
unless he's on some sort of card-sale commission! ;-)

As an atheist I don't see anything the matter with sending and receiving
Christmas cards as a way of maintaining contact with family and friends
you don't communicate with otherwise. Or giving and receiving presents
as long as they are inexpensive as they will mostly not be what people
want. Don't you celebrate birthdays either?

--
Max Demian

In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
Or giving and receiving presents
as long as they are inexpensive as they will mostly not be what people
want.

Why not just send them the money? What is the point in giving someone a
present they won't use?

Kids are so much more logical. They tell you what they want. ;-)

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On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 11:15:08 +0000, Max Demian
wrote:

snip

We still get a couple of cards though, one from the local Kebab shop
g and a neighbour who insists he likes sending us one, even though I
tell him it will go straight in the recycling unopened (my protest to
him is the 'wasted' paper and card etc). I don't get how someone would
still get pleasure doing something under those circumstances ...
unless he's on some sort of card-sale commission! ;-)

As an atheist I don't see anything the matter with sending and receiving
Christmas cards as a way of maintaining contact with family and friends
you don't communicate with otherwise.

Seems a strange way of doing that if they are actually your friends? I
see, ring or email my 'friends' as / when I feel the moment or if
something comes up that means it might be appropriate.

And you only think of your family at one particular time of the year?

We used to get Xmyth cards from people my Mum tells me are say, my
cousins who I can't remember the last time I met them and have never
had any real contact with them or anything in common (other than they
are my cousins etc). FWIW they might as well be any other strangers
from that POV (and I do nod, smile or pass the time of day with
'strangers' when passing etc).

Or giving and receiving presents

Xmyth presents you mean, as an atheist at Xmyth time?

"Here Jonny, here is a nice new bike ... but it's pi$$ing down with
rain out there so best not go out on it right now ..."

Wouldn't it be better to get / give Jonny the bike in the spring ...
or just because the opportunity was right?

as long as they are inexpensive as they will mostly not be what people
want.

Quite, even less reason to waste the world resources!

Don't you celebrate birthdays either?

Nope ... and even if I did, I wouldn't substitute some mass produced
and generic bit of printed cardboard as a way of marking / doing it.

It might as well be one of those universal ones:

"Wishing you a happy blank"
"Thinking of you on your blank"
Good luck on your blank"

;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 29/10/2017 11:15, Max Demian wrote:

As an atheist I don't see anything the matter with sending and receiving
Christmas cards as a way of maintaining contact with family and friends
you don't communicate with otherwise.

**** that. Just turn up to their funeral.


--
Adam

On 29/10/2017 11:15, Max Demian wrote:
On 29/10/2017 10:29, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 09:35:57 +0000, wrote:

snip

Unfortunately we are past the stage where ourselves, friends and
relatives have young children, otherwise I'd have given a couple whose
birthdays were in Autumn/early Winter a trail camera.
"If you set this up on Christmas Eve you'll catch Father Christmas."

Explain that picture Daddy.

QuiteÂ* ;-)

I don't think I was really ever convinced by the whole Xmyth and
'Father Christmas' thing, or not since I could consider practical
matters (like how an adult man could get into our lounge though a
Parkray glass fronted solid fuel fire).

I went along with it of course because I got presents, even after I
was 100% sure my own parents (and others) were lying to me and then
was 'obliged' to continue with the whole scam 'in case I spoiled it
for other children still believed in it'. ;-(

Same sort of thing with the 'Tooth Fairy' or 'The bogie man' etc.

I got out of going to Sunday School as soon as they let me and haven't
been back since and that and our daughter now being 27, we don't have
to go though any of that 'Commercial spirit of Xmyth' stuff.

So, we have done all our Xmyth shopping (true, we have done all we are
going to and that's none g) and we haven't sent an Xmyth card (real
or 'e') for ~30 years. If we know someone might like something or we
feel the need to give someone a gift we do so at any time of the year.
shrug

We still get a couple of cards though, one from the local Kebab shop
g and a neighbour who insists he likes sending us one, even though I
tell him it will go straight in the recycling unopened (my protest to
him is the 'wasted' paper and card etc). I don't get how someone would
still get pleasure doing something under those circumstances ...
unless he's on some sort of card-sale commission! ;-)

As an atheist I don't see anything the matter with sending and receiving
Christmas cards as a way of maintaining contact with family and friends
you don't communicate with otherwise. Or giving and receiving presents
as long as they are inexpensive as they will mostly not be what people
want. Don't you celebrate birthdays either?

In reality Christmas has very little do to with any modern religion.

In fact I can't think of any that truly celebrate the Winter solstice
and have simply hijacked the event from other, perhaps more deserving,
ancient religions.

On 29/10/2017 14:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
Or giving and receiving presents
as long as they are inexpensive as they will mostly not be what people
want.

Why not just send them the money?

Because to an adult the amount would be trivial.

What is the point in giving someone a
present they won't use?

It's interesting to choose and receive an unexpected present, and some
of them are useful.

Kids are so much more logical. They tell you what they want. ;-)

And they are poor.

--
Max Demian

On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 20:21:56 +0000, Max Demian
wrote:

On 29/10/2017 14:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
Or giving and receiving presents
as long as they are inexpensive as they will mostly not be what people
want.

Why not just send them the money?

Because to an adult the amount would be trivial.

Then make it more? The point is that if you really want to help a
charity it is more effective to give them the money they have to earn
from selling cards than getting them to produce and sell cards.

What is the point in giving someone a
present they won't use?

It's interesting to choose and receive an unexpected present,

Whilst it can be, it can also be embarrassing. We generally have an
'understanding' amongst friends and family that we 'don't do Xmyth' so
also don't do cards and presents. That acheives many things. No
stress, cost and time wasted by anyone buying stuff that is
potentially unwanted or unneeded and that will likely get given away,
boot saled or dumped.

and some
of them are useful.

Some can be yes, depending on what you like, what you have already got
and what you actually need.

Here is how it often works out:

You buy someone something at a price you think is appropriate to spend
on them and they try to do the same for you. Get the balance wrong can
often cause embarrassment.

The next year you agree to spend £X on each other, in an effort to
minimise any further stress and embarrassment.

Then you might just give each other vouchers to the value £x but still
might get them from the wrong company etc.

Then you just swap cash with the 'get yourselves something from us'.

The year after you agree to go and get £X amounts worth of stuff for
yourself (less time wasted returning / exchanging stuff).

Then you just *say* you will do the reciprocal presents thing and
things get even easier. ;-)


Kids are so much more logical. They tell you what they want. ;-)

And they are poor.

Many have more disposable income than me these days!

Cheers, T i m

No never had the tooth fairy etc here. I think when you aware young, you
tend to know that Father Christmas is fake, but you deny this to yourself as
we have very vivid imaginations when we are little. as a person who's
birthday is within 10 days of Christmas Day I also found that combined
presents tended to come early.
Brian

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On 29/10/2017 10:29, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 29 Oct 2017 09:35:57 +0000, wrote:

snip

Unfortunately we are past the stage where ourselves, friends and
relatives have young children, otherwise I'd have given a couple whose
birthdays were in Autumn/early Winter a trail camera.
"If you set this up on Christmas Eve you'll catch Father Christmas."

Explain that picture Daddy.

Quite ;-)

I don't think I was really ever convinced by the whole Xmyth and
'Father Christmas' thing, or not since I could consider practical
matters (like how an adult man could get into our lounge though a
Parkray glass fronted solid fuel fire).

I went along with it of course because I got presents, even after I
was 100% sure my own parents (and others) were lying to me and then
was 'obliged' to continue with the whole scam 'in case I spoiled it
for other children still believed in it'. ;-(

Same sort of thing with the 'Tooth Fairy' or 'The bogie man' etc.

I got out of going to Sunday School as soon as they let me and haven't
been back since and that and our daughter now being 27, we don't have
to go though any of that 'Commercial spirit of Xmyth' stuff.

So, we have done all our Xmyth shopping (true, we have done all we are
going to and that's none g) and we haven't sent an Xmyth card (real
or 'e') for ~30 years. If we know someone might like something or we
feel the need to give someone a gift we do so at any time of the year.
shrug

We still get a couple of cards though, one from the local Kebab shop
g and a neighbour who insists he likes sending us one, even though I
tell him it will go straight in the recycling unopened (my protest to
him is the 'wasted' paper and card etc). I don't get how someone would
still get pleasure doing something under those circumstances ...
unless he's on some sort of card-sale commission! ;-)

As an atheist I don't see anything the matter with sending and receiving
Christmas cards as a way of maintaining contact with family and friends
you don't communicate with otherwise. Or giving and receiving presents as
long as they are inexpensive as they will mostly not be what people want.
Don't you celebrate birthdays either?

--
Max Demian

I had almost as much fun with the boxes as with the toys. I tended to take
stuff apart to see how they worked of course.
This is often nowt what was intended.
My best toy ever was a gyroscope as it seemed to defy logic completely.
Brian

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
Or giving and receiving presents
as long as they are inexpensive as they will mostly not be what people
want.

Why not just send them the money? What is the point in giving someone a
present they won't use?

Kids are so much more logical. They tell you what they want. ;-)

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 29/10/2017 21:00, T i m wrote:


Some can be yes, depending on what you like, what you have already got
and what you actually need.

Here is how it often works out:


And Martin Lewis has been banging on about it for years so you are far
from alone.

https://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2...838.1506246117


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Chris B (News)

In article ,
Max Demian wrote:
What is the point in giving someone a
present they won't use?

It's interesting to choose and receive an unexpected present,

It's what I sort of guessed. Some just enjoy shopping for presents.

and some of them are useful.

Sadly, so many seem to be what the buyer thinks the recipient *should*
like. Rather than a few pairs of black socks etc that would actually be of
use. ;-)

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