Hi All,

I'm involved with a local charity, and we need to move a couple of
fluorescent fittings at their premises that appear to have been wired from
ceiling roses, and to extend the cables as fitted.

I assumed this installation was a conversion from pendants, but it's before
my time.

Having taken the cover off one of the assumed roses I found it wasn't what I
expected - there was another plastic moulding underneath. I've taken two
photos - no 1 is the rose as it appeared before being disturbed, and no 2 is
what I found underneath.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d1871y48h...S6wbareNa?dl=0

The inner plastic moulding doesn't appear to unscrew, unclip, unplug or
otherwise detach from the base, and has no fixings visible. I havn't tried
too hard at present, as I don't want to break anything.

Does anyone know what these are, and how to get into them? The ceiling
fixtures were apparently done by a firm of shop fitters, in case that's
relevant.

Thanks, Charles F

On Fri, 06 Oct 2017 18:08:18 +0100, Charles F wrote:

Hi All,

I'm involved with a local charity, and we need to move a couple of
fluorescent fittings at their premises that appear to have been wired
from ceiling roses, and to extend the cables as fitted.

I assumed this installation was a conversion from pendants, but it's
before my time.

Having taken the cover off one of the assumed roses I found it wasn't
what I expected - there was another plastic moulding underneath. I've
taken two photos - no 1 is the rose as it appeared before being
disturbed, and no 2 is what I found underneath.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d1871y48h...ZkBXS6wbareNa?
dl=0

The inner plastic moulding doesn't appear to unscrew, unclip, unplug or
otherwise detach from the base, and has no fixings visible. I havn't
tried too hard at present, as I don't want to break anything.

Does anyone know what these are, and how to get into them? The ceiling
fixtures were apparently done by a firm of shop fitters, in case that's
relevant.

You're in luck. I fitted those to my ceilings. Easy peasy, and very
useful.

Push the rectangular thung along its long axis (try both ways until it
moves). It will click, and come away (it's attached by three hook-like
contacts).

Rewire it with a longer cable and reattach.



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Charles F wrote:

Does anyone know what these are, and how to get into them?

http://www.hager.co.uk/product-catalogue/lighting-connection-controls/klik/klik-4-pin/38690.htm

They should slide then pull-out

In article , Charles F
wrote:
Hi All,

I'm involved with a local charity, and we need to move a couple of
fluorescent fittings at their premises that appear to have been wired
from ceiling roses, and to extend the cables as fitted.

I assumed this installation was a conversion from pendants, but it's
before my time.

Having taken the cover off one of the assumed roses I found it wasn't
what I expected - there was another plastic moulding underneath. I've
taken two photos - no 1 is the rose as it appeared before being
disturbed, and no 2 is what I found underneath.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d1871y48h...S6wbareNa?dl=0

The inner plastic moulding doesn't appear to unscrew, unclip, unplug or
otherwise detach from the base, and has no fixings visible. I havn't
tried too hard at present, as I don't want to break anything.

Does anyone know what these are, and how to get into them? The ceiling
fixtures were apparently done by a firm of shop fitters, in case that's
relevant.

Thanks, Charles F

It's a plug!. It should come out if you slide it, but I can't rememeber
which way. It should be obvious when you're there.

--
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"charles" wrote in message
...
In article , Charles F
wrote:
Hi All,

I'm involved with a local charity, and we need to move a couple of
fluorescent fittings at their premises that appear to have been wired
from ceiling roses, and to extend the cables as fitted.

I assumed this installation was a conversion from pendants, but it's
before my time.

Having taken the cover off one of the assumed roses I found it wasn't
what I expected - there was another plastic moulding underneath. I've
taken two photos - no 1 is the rose as it appeared before being
disturbed, and no 2 is what I found underneath.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d1871y48h...S6wbareNa?dl=0

The inner plastic moulding doesn't appear to unscrew, unclip, unplug or
otherwise detach from the base, and has no fixings visible. I havn't
tried too hard at present, as I don't want to break anything.

Does anyone know what these are, and how to get into them? The ceiling
fixtures were apparently done by a firm of shop fitters, in case that's
relevant.

Thanks, Charles F

It's a plug!. It should come out if you slide it, but I can't rememeber
which way. It should be obvious when you're there.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

Thanks to all three of you - that's just the information I needed!

Charles F

On 06/10/2017 18:15, Bob Eager wrote:
On Fri, 06 Oct 2017 18:08:18 +0100, Charles F wrote:

Hi All,

I'm involved with a local charity, and we need to move a couple of
fluorescent fittings at their premises that appear to have been wired
from ceiling roses, and to extend the cables as fitted.

I assumed this installation was a conversion from pendants, but it's
before my time.

Having taken the cover off one of the assumed roses I found it wasn't
what I expected - there was another plastic moulding underneath. I've
taken two photos - no 1 is the rose as it appeared before being
disturbed, and no 2 is what I found underneath.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d1871y48h...ZkBXS6wbareNa?
dl=0

The inner plastic moulding doesn't appear to unscrew, unclip, unplug or
otherwise detach from the base, and has no fixings visible. I havn't
tried too hard at present, as I don't want to break anything.

Does anyone know what these are, and how to get into them? The ceiling
fixtures were apparently done by a firm of shop fitters, in case that's
relevant.

You're in luck. I fitted those to my ceilings. Easy peasy, and very
useful.

Push the rectangular thung along its long axis (try both ways until it
moves). It will click, and come away (it's attached by three hook-like
contacts).

Rewire it with a longer cable and reattach.


But will it click or Klik? (the Hager trade name for their brand of plug
in ceiling roses). Although as you say, it's not so much as a plug in as
a push along.


--
Adam

On 06/10/2017 18:19, charles wrote:


It's a plug!. It should come out if you slide it, but I can't rememeber
which way. It should be obvious when you're there.


It's always the opposite way to the way that you try first:-)

Sometimes needs a bit of a knock.

--
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"ARW" wrote in message
news
On 06/10/2017 18:19, charles wrote:


It's a plug!. It should come out if you slide it, but I can't rememeber
which way. It should be obvious when you're there.


It's always the opposite way to the way that you try first:-)

Sometimes needs a bit of a knock.

--
Adam

Now I know what it does I can be a bit more definite. Thanks for the tip
though

Charles F

In article ,
Charles F wrote:
Hi All,

I'm involved with a local charity, and we need to move a couple of
fluorescent fittings at their premises that appear to have been wired from
ceiling roses, and to extend the cables as fitted.

I assumed this installation was a conversion from pendants, but it's before
my time.

Having taken the cover off one of the assumed roses I found it wasn't what I
expected - there was another plastic moulding underneath. I've taken two
photos - no 1 is the rose as it appeared before being disturbed, and no 2 is
what I found underneath.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d1871y48h...S6wbareNa?dl=0

The inner plastic moulding doesn't appear to unscrew, unclip, unplug or
otherwise detach from the base, and has no fixings visible. I havn't tried
too hard at present, as I don't want to break anything.

Does anyone know what these are, and how to get into them? The ceiling
fixtures were apparently done by a firm of shop fitters, in case that's
relevant.

It's a variation on the old ceiling master rose - designed for
chandeliers. A sort of plug and socket arrangement - except it slid out
sideways. To allow easy safe removal of the chandelier for cleaning.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 06/10/2017 19:06, ARW wrote:
On 06/10/2017 18:19, charles wrote:


It's a plug!.Â* It should come out if you slide it, but I can't rememeber
which way. It should be obvious when you're there.


It's always the opposite way to the way that you try first:-)

Sometimes needs a bit of a knock.


It's quite expensive. Why would they have used it? Some regs? Or they
just thought it would come in handy?

In article , GB
wrote:
On 06/10/2017 19:06, ARW wrote:
On 06/10/2017 18:19, charles wrote:


It's a plug!. It should come out if you slide it, but I can't
rememeber which way. It should be obvious when you're there.


It's always the opposite way to the way that you try first:-)

Sometimes needs a bit of a knock.


It's quite expensive. Why would they have used it? Some regs? Or they
just thought it would come in handy?

It allows quick access to a fitting without having to isolate the
supply. Quite important when you have a number of fittings controlled by
one light switch.

Often used when a false ceiling is involved. The permanent wiring is fixed
to to the permanaent bit of the building before the ceiling is installed.
You only need single hand access to the plug/socket combination - it can be
undone/done up by feel without having to get your head and arms through an
access trap/ ceiling tile ...

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Saturday, 7 October 2017 12:53:08 UTC+1, charles wrote:
Often used when a false ceiling is involved. The permanent wiring is fixed
to to the permanaent bit of the building before the ceiling is installed.
You only need single hand access to the plug/socket combination - it can be
undone/done up by feel without having to get your head and arms through an
access trap/ ceiling tile ...

and because electricians and ceiling fitters can't coordinate their work accurately enough in 3 dimensions for conduit drops direct to the luminaires to be used :-)

Owain

On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 11:55:31 +0000, Huge wrote:

On 2017-10-07, charles wrote:
In article , GB
wrote:
On 06/10/2017 19:06, ARW wrote:
On 06/10/2017 18:19, charles wrote:


It's a plug!. It should come out if you slide it, but I can't
rememeber which way. It should be obvious when you're there.


It's always the opposite way to the way that you try first:-)

Sometimes needs a bit of a knock.


It's quite expensive. Why would they have used it? Some regs? Or they
just thought it would come in handy?

It allows quick access to a fitting without having to isolate the
supply. Quite important when you have a number of fittings controlled
by one light switch.

Often used when a false ceiling is involved. The permanent wiring is
fixed to to the permanaent bit of the building before the ceiling is
installed. You only need single hand access to the plug/socket
combination - it can be undone/done up by feel without having to get
your head and arms through an access trap/ ceiling tile ...

I used them on our landing in the last house. My wife chose lampshades
that in combination with the relatively low ceilings and hence short
leads from the ceiling roses meant that you couldn't change a light bulb
without first removing the shade. It was much easier just to unplug the
whole thing from the ceiling and change the bulb on the ground.

I put them on most of our ceilings for that reason. yes, they cost more,
but in the scheme of things...



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On Friday, 6 October 2017 18:07:52 UTC+1, Charles F wrote:
Hi All,

I'm involved with a local charity, and we need to move a couple of
fluorescent fittings at their premises that appear to have been wired from
ceiling roses, and to extend the cables as fitted.

I assumed this installation was a conversion from pendants, but it's before
my time.

Having taken the cover off one of the assumed roses I found it wasn't what I
expected - there was another plastic moulding underneath. I've taken two
photos - no 1 is the rose as it appeared before being disturbed, and no 2 is
what I found underneath.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/d1871y48h...S6wbareNa?dl=0

The inner plastic moulding doesn't appear to unscrew, unclip, unplug or
otherwise detach from the base, and has no fixings visible. I havn't tried
too hard at present, as I don't want to break anything.

Does anyone know what these are, and how to get into them? The ceiling
fixtures were apparently done by a firm of shop fitters, in case that's
relevant.

You have one of these.

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Product... ApiHEALw_wcB

"GB" wrote in message
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On 06/10/2017 19:06, ARW wrote:
On 06/10/2017 18:19, charles wrote:


It's a plug!. It should come out if you slide it, but I can't rememeber
which way. It should be obvious when you're there.


It's always the opposite way to the way that you try first:-)

Sometimes needs a bit of a knock.


It's quite expensive. Why would they have used it?

Normally so you can take the chandelier off and clean it etc.

Some regs? Or they just thought it would come in handy?

They knew it would with chandelier cleaning.

On 07/10/2017 12:42, GB wrote:
On 06/10/2017 19:06, ARW wrote:
On 06/10/2017 18:19, charles wrote:


It's a plug!.Â* It should come out if you slide it, but I can't rememeber
which way. It should be obvious when you're there.


It's always the opposite way to the way that you try first:-)

Sometimes needs a bit of a knock.


It's quite expensive. Why would they have used it? Some regs? Or they
just thought it would come in handy?

Depends on what you call expensive. It's about £3 per light fitting,


--
Adam

On 07/10/2017 12:53, charles wrote:

Often used when a false ceiling is involved. The permanent wiring is fixed
to to the permanaent bit of the building before the ceiling is installed.
You only need single hand access to the plug/socket combination - it can be
undone/done up by feel without having to get your head and arms through an
access trap/ ceiling tile ...


What complete ********.


--
Adam

On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 22:09:39 +0100, ARW wrote:

On 07/10/2017 12:42, GB wrote:
On 06/10/2017 19:06, ARW wrote:
On 06/10/2017 18:19, charles wrote:


It's a plug!.Â* It should come out if you slide it, but I can't
rememeber which way. It should be obvious when you're there.


It's always the opposite way to the way that you try first:-)

Sometimes needs a bit of a knock.


It's quite expensive. Why would they have used it? Some regs? Or they
just thought it would come in handy?

Depends on what you call expensive. It's about £3 per light fitting,

I think it's worth every penny. Especially when SWMBO decodes she wants a
different light fitting. We have 9ft ceilings.



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On 07/10/2017 22:48, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 22:09:39 +0100, ARW wrote:

On 07/10/2017 12:42, GB wrote:
On 06/10/2017 19:06, ARW wrote:
On 06/10/2017 18:19, charles wrote:


It's a plug!.Â* It should come out if you slide it, but I can't
rememeber which way. It should be obvious when you're there.


It's always the opposite way to the way that you try first:-)

Sometimes needs a bit of a knock.


It's quite expensive. Why would they have used it? Some regs? Or they
just thought it would come in handy?

Depends on what you call expensive. It's about £3 per light fitting,

I think it's worth every penny. Especially when SWMBO decodes she wants a
different light fitting. We have 9ft ceilings.



That's not high:-) I recently swapped a couple of lamps on a 6.5m high
ceiling.



--
Adam

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 11:08:10 +0100, ARW wrote:

On 07/10/2017 22:48, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 22:09:39 +0100, ARW wrote:

On 07/10/2017 12:42, GB wrote:
On 06/10/2017 19:06, ARW wrote:
On 06/10/2017 18:19, charles wrote:


It's a plug!.Â* It should come out if you slide it, but I can't
rememeber which way. It should be obvious when you're there.


It's always the opposite way to the way that you try first:-)

Sometimes needs a bit of a knock.


It's quite expensive. Why would they have used it? Some regs? Or they
just thought it would come in handy?

Depends on what you call expensive. It's about £3 per light fitting,

I think it's worth every penny. Especially when SWMBO decodes she wants
a different light fitting. We have 9ft ceilings.



That's not high:-) I recently swapped a couple of lamps on a 6.5m high
ceiling.

Yes, but I'm a wimp! Fiddling around with little brass screws on a normal
ladder is a pain.



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On 08/10/2017 11:29, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 11:08:10 +0100, ARW wrote:

On 07/10/2017 22:48, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 22:09:39 +0100, ARW wrote:

On 07/10/2017 12:42, GB wrote:
On 06/10/2017 19:06, ARW wrote:
On 06/10/2017 18:19, charles wrote:


It's a plug!.Â* It should come out if you slide it, but I can't
rememeber which way. It should be obvious when you're there.


It's always the opposite way to the way that you try first:-)

Sometimes needs a bit of a knock.


It's quite expensive. Why would they have used it? Some regs? Or they
just thought it would come in handy?

Depends on what you call expensive. It's about £3 per light fitting,

I think it's worth every penny. Especially when SWMBO decodes she wants
a different light fitting. We have 9ft ceilings.



That's not high:-) I recently swapped a couple of lamps on a 6.5m high
ceiling.

Yes, but I'm a wimp! Fiddling around with little brass screws on a normal
ladder is a pain.




I did wear my brown work trousers when I swapped those 6.5m high lamps.

And at £3 a pop the Kliks do everything you want. I love them.



--
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On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 00:26:01 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

To allow easy safe removal of the chandelier for cleaning.

Like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFuYIi5-igc :-)

On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 11:54:44 +0100, ARW wrote:

On 08/10/2017 11:29, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 11:08:10 +0100, ARW wrote:

On 07/10/2017 22:48, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 22:09:39 +0100, ARW wrote:

On 07/10/2017 12:42, GB wrote:
On 06/10/2017 19:06, ARW wrote:
On 06/10/2017 18:19, charles wrote:


It's a plug!.Â* It should come out if you slide it, but I can't
rememeber which way. It should be obvious when you're there.


It's always the opposite way to the way that you try first:-)

Sometimes needs a bit of a knock.


It's quite expensive. Why would they have used it? Some regs? Or
they just thought it would come in handy?

Depends on what you call expensive. It's about £3 per light fitting,

I think it's worth every penny. Especially when SWMBO decodes she
wants a different light fitting. We have 9ft ceilings.



That's not high:-) I recently swapped a couple of lamps on a 6.5m high
ceiling.

Yes, but I'm a wimp! Fiddling around with little brass screws on a
normal ladder is a pain.

I did wear my brown work trousers when I swapped those 6.5m high lamps.

When I was at school, I used to have to fit lamps to the ceiling of the
school hall every year. This one:

https://goo.gl/qpqKNA


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"ARW" wrote in message
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On 07/10/2017 22:48, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 22:09:39 +0100, ARW wrote:

On 07/10/2017 12:42, GB wrote:
On 06/10/2017 19:06, ARW wrote:
On 06/10/2017 18:19, charles wrote:


It's a plug!. It should come out if you slide it, but I can't
rememeber which way. It should be obvious when you're there.


It's always the opposite way to the way that you try first:-)

Sometimes needs a bit of a knock.


It's quite expensive. Why would they have used it? Some regs? Or they
just thought it would come in handy?

Depends on what you call expensive. It's about £3 per light fitting,

I think it's worth every penny. Especially when SWMBO decodes she wants a
different light fitting. We have 9ft ceilings.



That's not high:-)

Yeah, mine are 8'8" because the blocks are 8" high.

I recently swapped a couple of lamps on a 6.5m high ceiling.

While high as a kite, presumably.

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 08 Oct 2017 11:08:10 +0100, ARW wrote:

On 07/10/2017 22:48, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 07 Oct 2017 22:09:39 +0100, ARW wrote:

On 07/10/2017 12:42, GB wrote:
On 06/10/2017 19:06, ARW wrote:
On 06/10/2017 18:19, charles wrote:


It's a plug!. It should come out if you slide it, but I can't
rememeber which way. It should be obvious when you're there.


It's always the opposite way to the way that you try first:-)

Sometimes needs a bit of a knock.


It's quite expensive. Why would they have used it? Some regs? Or they
just thought it would come in handy?

Depends on what you call expensive. It's about £3 per light fitting,

I think it's worth every penny. Especially when SWMBO decodes she wants
a different light fitting. We have 9ft ceilings.



That's not high:-) I recently swapped a couple of lamps on a 6.5m high
ceiling.

Yes, but I'm a wimp!

You are indeed.

Fiddling around with little brass screws on a normal ladder is a pain.

I stood on the dining room table and got
real radical and took my boots off first, too.