http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-plague-moths/


I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

Real wool insulation now a moth ridden £10,000 nightmare, and the owners
can't sue the company that installed it because like most Green ****
companies, they went out of business.

Coming on the heels of Greenfell, take note and stick to conservative
materials and techniques.



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On 02/09/17 13:08, jim wrote:
The Natural Philosopher Wrote in message:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-plague-moths/


I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

Real wool insulation now a moth ridden £10,000 nightmare, and the owners
can't sue the company that installed it because like most Green ****
companies, they went out of business.

Coming on the heels of Greenfell, take note and stick to conservative
materials and techniques.




"
Pyrethrins are a class of synthetically made organic compounds ...."

Mmm not naturally from chrysanthemums?



No. Not these days. Much.





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The Natural Philosopher Wrote in message:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-plague-moths/


I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

Real wool insulation now a moth ridden £10,000 nightmare, and the owners
can't sue the company that installed it because like most Green ****
companies, they went out of business.

Coming on the heels of Greenfell, take note and stick to conservative
materials and techniques.




"Pyrethrins are a class of synthetically made organic compounds*...."

Mmm not naturally from chrysanthemums?

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On Saturday, 2 September 2017 12:43:15 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Coming on the heels of Greenfell, take note and stick to conservative
materials and techniques.

I can see asbestos coming back into fashion.

Owain

On 02/09/2017 12:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-plague-moths/



I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

Real wool insulation now a moth ridden £10,000 nightmare, and the owners
can't sue the company that installed it because like most Green ****
companies, they went out of business.

Coming on the heels of Greenfell, take note and stick to conservative
materials and techniques.




Anyone fancy a straw-bale house with or without vermin? post Grenvil

On 02/09/2017 16:31, wrote:
On Saturday, 2 September 2017 12:43:15 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Coming on the heels of Greenfell, take note and stick to conservative
materials and techniques.

I can see asbestos coming back into fashion.

I doubt it. Glass and rock wool would have to be banned first.

Of course there are some who claim there are forms of asbestos that are
safer than some currently used forms of silica.

On 02/09/2017 12:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-plague-moths/



I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

Real wool insulation now a moth ridden £10,000 nightmare, and the owners
can't sue the company that installed it because like most Green ****
companies, they went out of business.

Except a case of criminal negligence could be successful against the
directors if there was evidence where the wool wasn't treated.

I would also be equally concerned over the combustibility aspect.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

news/2017/09/01/grand-designs-dream-home-ruined

But I do notice that Grand Designs is back next Wednesday ...

So why was this not treated in some way to kill pests. It seems to be a
rater obvious thing to do with a substance that insects can eat.
Brian

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news
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-plague-moths/


I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

Real wool insulation now a moth ridden £10,000 nightmare, and the owners
can't sue the company that installed it because like most Green ****
companies, they went out of business.

Coming on the heels of Greenfell, take note and stick to conservative
materials and techniques.



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On Saturday, 2 September 2017 20:39:52 UTC+1, Brian-Gaff wrote:
So why was this not treated in some way to kill pests. It seems to be a
rater obvious thing to do with a substance that insects can eat.

Because chemicals that kill insects aren't environmentally friendly. Insects are part of the environment too.

They should be grateful it's only moths and not fleas.

Owain

On 02/09/17 12:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-plague-moths/



I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

Real wool insulation now a moth ridden £10,000 nightmare, and the owners
can't sue the company that installed it because like most Green ****
companies, they went out of business.

Coming on the heels of Greenfell, take note and stick to conservative
materials and techniques.




This is not so obvious - on the face of it, sheep's wool is a good idea
- similar U values to glass wool, less health hazards, actually "green".

So is the moth problem unavoidable, or is it down to poor treatment of
the wool?

In message , N_Cook
writes
On 02/09/2017 12:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...dream-home-rui
ned-biblical-plague-moths/



I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

Real wool insulation now a moth ridden £10,000 nightmare, and the owners
can't sue the company that installed it because like most Green ****
companies, they went out of business.

Coming on the heels of Greenfell, take note and stick to conservative
materials and techniques.




Anyone fancy a straw-bale house with or without vermin? post Grenvil

You beat me to it!

Watched Grand Designs plastering mud on to straw bales and wondered if
anyone told them that farmers stash rat/mouse bait in bale stacks for
less than 12 months storage.

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Wrote in message:
On Saturday, 2 September 2017 20:39:52 UTC+1, Brian-Gaff wrote:
So why was this not treated in some way to kill pests. It seems to be a
rater obvious thing to do with a substance that insects can eat.

Because chemicals that kill insects aren't environmentally friendly. Insects are part of the environment too.

They should be grateful it's only moths and not fleas.

Owain



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On 02/09/2017 22:01, wrote:
On Saturday, 2 September 2017 20:39:52 UTC+1, Brian-Gaff wrote:
So why was this not treated in some way to kill pests. It seems to be a
rater obvious thing to do with a substance that insects can eat.

Because chemicals that kill insects aren't environmentally friendly. Insects are part of the environment too.

They should be grateful it's only moths and not fleas.




And some of the chemicals that are more environmentally friendly are
only effective for 10s of days. The insulation may have been treated
before installation but an infestation months/years later maybe cannot
be treated effectively without completely saturating the insulation
which may be impossible with it in situ.

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On 02/09/2017 20:06, Fredxxx wrote:
On 02/09/2017 12:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-plague-moths/




I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

Real wool insulation now a moth ridden £10,000 nightmare, and the owners
can't sue the company that installed it because like most Green ****
companies, they went out of business.

Except a case of criminal negligence could be successful against the
directors if there was evidence where the wool wasn't treated.

All companies have to have insurance and it usually also covers claims
due to their negligence. The insurance company would remain liable even
after the company has folded.

SteveW

On Sunday, 3 September 2017 01:25:41 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote:
All companies have to have insurance and it usually also covers claims
due to their negligence. The insurance company would remain liable even
after the company has folded.

Not usually; the insurer insures the company against its liabilities. No company, no liability.

Regulated professionals (eg surveyors) are sometimes required to have run-on insurance to cover them against claims arising after they've stopped practicing.

Owain

On 02/09/17 22:26, Tim Watts wrote:
On 02/09/17 12:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-plague-moths/



I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

Real wool insulation now a moth ridden £10,000 nightmare, and the
owners can't sue the company that installed it because like most Green
**** companies, they went out of business.

Coming on the heels of Greenfell, take note and stick to conservative
materials and techniques.




This is not so obvious - on the face of it, sheep's wool is a good idea
- similar U values to glass wool, less health hazards, actually "green".

So is the moth problem unavoidable, or is it down to poor treatment of
the wool?

Doused in DDT it would presumably have been fine.


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On 03/09/2017 08:26, wrote:
On Sunday, 3 September 2017 01:25:41 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote:
All companies have to have insurance and it usually also covers
claims due to their negligence. The insurance company would remain
liable even after the company has folded.

Not usually; the insurer insures the company against its liabilities.
No company, no liability.

Regulated professionals (eg surveyors) are sometimes required to have
run-on insurance to cover them against claims arising after they've
stopped practicing.

Its rare for a director to be liable with the exception of some
professions. I doubt that is the case here, but nevertheless if the
director knowingly sold the product without the claimed treatment then
fraud has taken place.

Most organics sublime, or degrade, to a degree over time, and I'm
wondering if that is also the case for these insecticides.

wrote:

On Sunday, 3 September 2017 01:25:41 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote:
All companies have to have insurance and it usually also covers claims
due to their negligence. The insurance company would remain liable even
after the company has folded.

Not usually; the insurer insures the company against its liabilities. No
company, no liability.

Regulated professionals (eg surveyors) are sometimes required to have
run-on insurance to cover them against claims arising after they've
stopped practicing.

Owain

I've never understood the liability of asbestos company insurers for the
defunct companies' actions half a century later, but it was certainly
the exception rather than the rule. Do you know how that worked?

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In message , Fredxxx
writes
On 03/09/2017 08:26, wrote:
On Sunday, 3 September 2017 01:25:41 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote:
All companies have to have insurance and it usually also covers
claims due to their negligence. The insurance company would remain
liable even after the company has folded.

Not usually; the insurer insures the company against its liabilities.
No company, no liability.

Regulated professionals (eg surveyors) are sometimes required to have
run-on insurance to cover them against claims arising after they've
stopped practicing.

Its rare for a director to be liable with the exception of some
professions. I doubt that is the case here, but nevertheless if the
director knowingly sold the product without the claimed treatment then
fraud has taken place.

Most organics sublime, or degrade, to a degree over time, and I'm
wondering if that is also the case for these insecticides.

Traditional guarantee period for woodworm treatment is 20 years. I think
they use Permethrin.

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On Sunday, 3 September 2017 10:37:41 UTC+1, Roger Hayter wrote:
I've never understood the liability of asbestos company insurers for the
defunct companies' actions half a century later, but it was certainly
the exception rather than the rule. Do you know how that worked?

I don't, but it may be that the 'defunct' companies were actually bought by newer companies as going concerns with the new company taking on the assets *and liabilities* of the older ones.

Also, many asbestos claims will have been by former employees for injury which occurred during the period of insured cover, rather than for product failure after the period of insured cover.

Owain

On 03/09/17 16:33, Huge wrote:
On 2017-09-02, Tim Watts wrote:
On 02/09/17 12:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-plague-moths/



I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

Real wool insulation now a moth ridden £10,000 nightmare, and the owners
can't sue the company that installed it because like most Green ****
companies, they went out of business.

Coming on the heels of Greenfell, take note and stick to conservative
materials and techniques.




This is not so obvious - on the face of it, sheep's wool is a good idea
- similar U values to glass wool, less health hazards, actually "green".

And it's essentially a waste product.

You are joking?


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Steve Walker posted
On 02/09/2017 20:06, Fredxxx wrote:
On 02/09/2017 12:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-dream-home-ru
ined-biblical-plague-moths/



I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

Real wool insulation now a moth ridden £10,000 nightmare, and the owners
can't sue the company that installed it because like most Green ****
companies, they went out of business.
Except a case of criminal negligence could be successful against the
directors if there was evidence where the wool wasn't treated.

All companies have to have insurance and it usually also covers claims
due to their negligence. The insurance company would remain liable even
after the company has folded.


Ho ho ho.

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On 03/09/2017 19:44, Chris Hogg wrote:

There's precious little money to be made from sheep's wool. Prices run
at around £1/kg. It barely covers the cost of shearing,

I was talking to someone from a Welsh sheep farming family a few weeks
back. Their cost of shearing alone this year exceeded the price they
got for the wool.




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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 03/09/17 16:33, Huge wrote:
On 2017-09-02, Tim Watts wrote:
On 02/09/17 12:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ream-home-ruin
ed-biblical-plague-moths/

I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

Real wool insulation now a moth ridden £10,000 nightmare, and the owners
can't sue the company that installed it because like most Green ****
companies, they went out of business.

Coming on the heels of Greenfell, take note and stick to conservative
materials and techniques.




This is not so obvious - on the face of it, sheep's wool is a good idea
- similar U values to glass wool, less health hazards, actually "green".

And it's essentially a waste product.

You are joking?

There's shoddy. That's been a waste product for a couple of centuries.


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On 02-Sep-17 10:26 PM, Tim Watts wrote:
On 02/09/17 12:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-plague-moths/



I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

Real wool insulation now a moth ridden £10,000 nightmare, and the
owners can't sue the company that installed it because like most Green
**** companies, they went out of business.

Coming on the heels of Greenfell, take note and stick to conservative
materials and techniques.




This is not so obvious - on the face of it, sheep's wool is a good idea
- similar U values to glass wool, less health hazards, actually "green".

So is the moth problem unavoidable, or is it down to poor treatment of
the wool?

From what I have been able to find online, any of the insecticide
impregnation approaches seem to have a limited life span. One company
claims that plasma treatment of the wool modifies the surface of the
wool fibres, which makes them inedible to moths and they claim it is a
permanent solution. Presumably, also more expensive than simply dousing
the wool in insecticides.

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Nightjar Wrote in message:
On 02-Sep-17 10:26 PM, Tim Watts wrote:
On 02/09/17 12:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-plague-moths/



I dunno whether to laugh or cry.

Real wool insulation now a moth ridden £10,000 nightmare, and the
owners can't sue the company that installed it because like most Green
**** companies, they went out of business.

Coming on the heels of Greenfell, take note and stick to conservative
materials and techniques.




This is not so obvious - on the face of it, sheep's wool is a good idea
- similar U values to glass wool, less health hazards, actually "green".

So is the moth problem unavoidable, or is it down to poor treatment of
the wool?

From what I have been able to find online, any of the insecticide
impregnation approaches seem to have a limited life span. One company
claims that plasma treatment of the wool modifies the surface of the
wool fibres, which makes them inedible to moths and they claim it is a
permanent solution. Presumably, also more expensive than simply dousing
the wool in insecticides.


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