This is an odd one and I don't have any good answers.

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will
run on ancient 32 bit Vista. Initial configuration is fine but once set
up and installed it needs to do a full backup (or incremental one if
possible) on a more or less obvious single button click.

Ordinarily I would go for Paragon Backup & Revovery Free but there only
seems to be a download option for 64 bit versions these days

Any suggestions for something that would do. This has to be usable by
extreme technophobes who have a very limited understanding of computers
so I need to be able to configure it as a single button press to backup.

There is no scope for changing OS from Vista or any of their prehistoric
software. Until I got involved it was never backed up (scary)!

(cross posted to demon.service since a few wizards still hang out there)

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 13/07/2017 09:25, Martin Brown wrote:
This is an odd one and I don't have any good answers.

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will
run on ancient 32 bit Vista. Initial configuration is fine but once set
up and installed it needs to do a full backup (or incremental one if
possible) on a more or less obvious single button click.

Ordinarily I would go for Paragon Backup & Revovery Free but there only
seems to be a download option for 64 bit versions these days

Any suggestions for something that would do. This has to be usable by
extreme technophobes who have a very limited understanding of computers
so I need to be able to configure it as a single button press to backup.

There is no scope for changing OS from Vista or any of their prehistoric
software. Until I got involved it was never backed up (scary)!

(cross posted to demon.service since a few wizards still hang out there)


I use an xcopy batch file, triggered each day by "Create Synchronicity"
(free)
http://synchronicity.sourceforge.net/

has the advantage that you can mirror, zip or increntally update your
backups exactly as you wish via a windows batch file. Will work across
all Window platforms.

Martin Brown wrote:
This is an odd one and I don't have any good answers.

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will
run on ancient 32 bit Vista. Initial configuration is fine but once set
up and installed it needs to do a full backup (or incremental one if
possible) on a more or less obvious single button click.

Ordinarily I would go for Paragon Backup & Revovery Free but there only
seems to be a download option for 64 bit versions these days

Any suggestions for something that would do. This has to be usable by
extreme technophobes who have a very limited understanding of computers
so I need to be able to configure it as a single button press to backup.

There is no scope for changing OS from Vista or any of their prehistoric
software. Until I got involved it was never backed up (scary)!

(cross posted to demon.service since a few wizards still hang out there)

I use Backup maker version 7 on my XP system and there has been no hint
of it not wanting to work with my OS. I don't know if it will play
nicely with vista but worth a try.
I set it to do incremental back ups each night and a full one every
three days and the back up server itself delete files more than a few
weeks old and empties the bin.

This page https://www.lifewire.com/free-backup...-tools-2617964
says that it will work with Vista.

On 13/07/17 09:25, Martin Brown wrote:
This is an odd one and I don't have any good answers.

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will
run on ancient 32 bit Vista. Initial configuration is fine but once set
up and installed it needs to do a full backup (or incremental one if
possible) on a more or less obvious single button click.

Ordinarily I would go for Paragon Backup & Revovery Free but there only
seems to be a download option for 64 bit versions these days

Any suggestions for something that would do. This has to be usable by
extreme technophobes who have a very limited understanding of computers
so I need to be able to configure it as a single button press to backup.

There is no scope for changing OS from Vista or any of their prehistoric
software. Until I got involved it was never backed up (scary)!

(cross posted to demon.service since a few wizards still hang out there)


https://acrosync.com/windows.html
--
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

En el artículo , Martin Brown '''newspam'
escribió:

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will
run on ancient 32 bit Vista. Initial configuration is fine but once set
up and installed it needs to do a full backup (or incremental one if
possible) on a more or less obvious single button click.

Bvckyp. https://www.bvckup2.com/

So good I actually paid for it. Simple, reliable, lightning quick,
great support.

Any suggestions for something that would do. This has to be usable by
extreme technophobes who have a very limited understanding of computers
so I need to be able to configure it as a single button press to backup.

You set up the backup jobs for them in advance.

They click backup job, press Go, done. Or it can be scheduled to run at
whatever intervals you want.

(cross posted to demon.service since a few wizards still hang out there)

ooh. /wavylines

I remember all the whinging about the news server, KA9Q, nntp kick, and
Giles snacking on babies.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

On 13/07/2017 09:25, Martin Brown wrote:
This is an odd one and I don't have any good answers.

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will
run on ancient 32 bit Vista. Initial configuration is fine but once set
up and installed it needs to do a full backup (or incremental one if
possible) on a more or less obvious single button click.

Ordinarily I would go for Paragon Backup & Revovery Free but there only
seems to be a download option for 64 bit versions these days

Any suggestions for something that would do. This has to be usable by
extreme technophobes who have a very limited understanding of computers
so I need to be able to configure it as a single button press to backup.

There is no scope for changing OS from Vista or any of their prehistoric
software. Until I got involved it was never backed up (scary)!

Might be worth trying Synkron - cross platform and open source:

http://synkron.sourceforge.net/

(not tried it under vista, but probably ok)


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Cheers,

John.

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"Martin Brown" wrote in message
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This is an odd one and I don't have any good answers.

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will run
on ancient 32 bit Vista. Initial configuration is fine but once set up and
installed it needs to do a full backup (or incremental one if possible) on
a more or less obvious single button click.

Ordinarily I would go for Paragon Backup & Revovery Free but there only
seems to be a download option for 64 bit versions these days

Any suggestions for something that would do. This has to be usable by
extreme technophobes who have a very limited understanding of computers so
I need to be able to configure it as a single button press to backup.

There is no scope for changing OS from Vista or any of their prehistoric
software. Until I got involved it was never backed up (scary)!

Whatever backup program you go for, IMHO it needs to make an exact
file-for-file, folder-for-folder copy of the C: folders onto the backup
drive. That way you can easily navigate a folder structure on the backup
which is an exact replica of the one on the C drive, as you locate any file
which you need to copy back to the C drive if the C copy has got trashed.

I use MS SyncToy for my backups because it makes file/folder copies. This is
in contrast to many backup programs which add everything to one big
proprietary-format backup file on the backup drive, which requires the
corresponding program to be used to extract a file that has to be restored.
If that backup file gets corrupted in any way, you may have lost all your
backup, whereas corruption of a few files on the backup leaves everything
else intactl

It's the same reason why I prefer Windows Mail (Vista) or Windows Live Mail
(Win 7, 8, 10) to MS Outlook, because WM and WLM use a separate file for
each email whereas Outlook mushes everything into a single PST file; firstly
the whole file has to be backed up every time, secondly corruption may
result in loss of all emails.


SyncToy requires a little bit of configuring to begin with (defining each of
the folder-pairs to be backed up) and then it is a two click operation (one
click to start program, another to say "Run", because it remembers that last
time you did "All Folders" and defaults to the same this time. If you want
the added security of seeing what it is about to delete or overwrite on the
backup, it's an extra click on Preview, followed by Run, as before.

It might not do any harm to image the drive using gnu ddrescue so that
there is a way forward when the inevitable happens and the original
installation discs are long lost.

John

I wonder if it will work with a screenreader. I have a similar issue here
but also just tto complicate things a couple of 64 bit windows 7 machines,
one on a remote site with less than computer literate users.

Brian

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Martin Brown wrote:
This is an odd one and I don't have any good answers.

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will
run on ancient 32 bit Vista. Initial configuration is fine but once set
up and installed it needs to do a full backup (or incremental one if
possible) on a more or less obvious single button click.

Ordinarily I would go for Paragon Backup & Revovery Free but there only
seems to be a download option for 64 bit versions these days

Any suggestions for something that would do. This has to be usable by
extreme technophobes who have a very limited understanding of computers
so I need to be able to configure it as a single button press to backup.

There is no scope for changing OS from Vista or any of their prehistoric
software. Until I got involved it was never backed up (scary)!

(cross posted to demon.service since a few wizards still hang out there)

I use Backup maker version 7 on my XP system and there has been no hint of
it not wanting to work with my OS. I don't know if it will play nicely
with vista but worth a try.
I set it to do incremental back ups each night and a full one every three
days and the back up server itself delete files more than a few weeks old
and empties the bin.

This page https://www.lifewire.com/free-backup...-tools-2617964
says that it will work with Vista.

On 13/07/2017 15:59, Brian Gaff wrote:
I wonder if it will work with a screenreader. I have a similar issue here
but also just tto complicate things a couple of 64 bit windows 7 machines,
one on a remote site with less than computer literate users.

Brian

On Win7 64bit I like Paragon Backup & Recovery Free but I have no idea
how well it works with a screen reader.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 13/07/17 09:25, Martin Brown wrote:
This is an odd one and I don't have any good answers.

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will
run on ancient 32 bit Vista. Initial configuration is fine but once set
up and installed it needs to do a full backup (or incremental one if
possible) on a more or less obvious single button click.

Ordinarily I would go for Paragon Backup & Revovery Free but there only
seems to be a download option for 64 bit versions these days

Any suggestions for something that would do. This has to be usable by
extreme technophobes who have a very limited understanding of computers
so I need to be able to configure it as a single button press to backup.

There is no scope for changing OS from Vista or any of their prehistoric
software. Until I got involved it was never backed up (scary)!

(cross posted to demon.service since a few wizards still hang out there)


If just protecting 'my documents', then perhaps redirect that to a
dropbox folder? Then backup and tracking step version changes should be
automatic.

--
Adrian C

"Adrian Caspersz" wrote in message ...

On 13/07/17 09:25, Martin Brown wrote:
This is an odd one and I don't have any good answers.

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will
run on ancient 32 bit Vista. Initial configuration is fine but once set
up and installed it needs to do a full backup (or incremental one if
possible) on a more or less obvious single button click.

Ordinarily I would go for Paragon Backup & Revovery Free but there only
seems to be a download option for 64 bit versions these days

Any suggestions for something that would do. This has to be usable by
extreme technophobes who have a very limited understanding of computers
so I need to be able to configure it as a single button press to backup.

There is no scope for changing OS from Vista or any of their prehistoric
software. Until I got involved it was never backed up (scary)!

(cross posted to demon.service since a few wizards still hang out there)


If just protecting 'my documents', then perhaps redirect that to a dropbox
folder? Then backup and tracking step version changes should be automatic.

dsynchronize is versatile and good for this sort of thing.
http://dimio.altervista.org/eng/

In message , Martin Brown
writes:
This is an odd one and I don't have any good answers.

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will
run on ancient 32 bit Vista. Initial configuration is fine but once set
up and installed it needs to do a full backup (or incremental one if
possible) on a more or less obvious single button click.
[]
Any suggestions for something that would do. This has to be usable by
extreme technophobes who have a very limited understanding of computers
so I need to be able to configure it as a single button press to backup.
[]
I think we need to know what the intended purpose of the "backup" is.

If it's recovery of _data_, then I second SyncToy which someone
mentioned (though some of the others probably work as well).

If it's restoration of a hosed system, I wouldn't use anything that runs
from within the running system, I'd use something that can be run just
by turning the machine on with a certain CD in the drive; I use Macrium,
but I don't know if that can be configured to run without user
intervention.

Even if it's just _data_ recovery, I'd not rely on even a single click
solution: for the customers you describe, scheduling it automatically
sounds a whole lot safer. (To run at 3 a. m. so they can't say it
interrupts what they are doing. Unless they turn off at night.)
--
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If you're on [Radio] 5Live you get people writing in saying that you've got
your football facts wrong, but on Radio 4 they pull you up on your Portuguese
pronunciation. Nick Robinson, RT 2016/6/25-7/1

On 13/07/2017 22:44, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 13/07/17 09:25, Martin Brown wrote:
This is an odd one and I don't have any good answers.

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will
run on ancient 32 bit Vista. Initial configuration is fine but once
set up and installed it needs to do a full backup (or incremental one
if possible) on a more or less obvious single button click.

Ordinarily I would go for Paragon Backup & Revovery Free but there
only seems to be a download option for 64 bit versions these days

Any suggestions for something that would do. This has to be usable by
extreme technophobes who have a very limited understanding of
computers so I need to be able to configure it as a single button
press to backup.

There is no scope for changing OS from Vista or any of their
prehistoric software. Until I got involved it was never backed up
(scary)!

(cross posted to demon.service since a few wizards still hang out there)


If just protecting 'my documents', then perhaps redirect that to a
dropbox folder? Then backup and tracking step version changes should be
automatic.

I forgot to mention another significant constraint.

They are on a dreadful slow ADSL intermittent internet connection any
kind of online backup is out of the question. Downloading software of
any size is unreliable on site I have to download it at home and their
upload speed is risible.

My solution for them is colour coded 64GB memory sticks for a
grandfather, father, son backup regime which I think they can follow.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 13/07/2017 09:25, Martin Brown wrote:
This is an odd one and I don't have any good answers.

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will
run on ancient 32 bit Vista. Initial configuration is fine but once set
up and installed it needs to do a full backup (or incremental one if
possible) on a more or less obvious single button click.

Ordinarily I would go for Paragon Backup & Revovery Free but there only
seems to be a download option for 64 bit versions these days

Any suggestions for something that would do. This has to be usable by
extreme technophobes who have a very limited understanding of computers
so I need to be able to configure it as a single button press to backup.

There is no scope for changing OS from Vista or any of their prehistoric
software. Until I got involved it was never backed up (scary)!

(cross posted to demon.service since a few wizards still hang out there)


I have a copy of Paragon Drive Backup 8.0 SE (on a PC Plus CD from 2007)
that I can make available, if that's any help.

On 14/07/2017 08:49, Martin Brown wrote:
They are on a dreadful slow ADSL intermittent internet connection any
kind of online backup is out of the question.

That's a very fair point. The whole world assumes we all have fast
unlimited internet and pushes us to do more and more online.

When I "escaped" from Demon and got a very fast FTTC connection it
allowed me to completely change my approach to backup and all sort of
other things.

I still have local backup as well, using an oldish NAS with 2 discs
configured RAID something so they mirror and give me 2x 1Tb. Complete
image backup manually from time to time, data files from specified
folders hourly automatically. All set up in Windows but maybe Vista
won't do it natively (I dodged the joys of Vista).

Assuming they have a router, would an always on NAS plugged in to router
ethernet port give you the hardware answer?

On Thu, 13 Jul 2017 09:25:18 +0100, Martin Brown wrote:

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will
run on ancient 32 bit Vista.

Take a look at Secondcopy. That's what I have installed on the window
boxes here. I have it copying new and changed file(s) to a NAS
maintaining the directory/file structure. It also maintains an
(optional) archive of deleted files. Doesn't have to be a NAS, USB
harddrive or memory stick could be the target.

Initial configuration is fine but once set up and installed it needs to
do a full backup (or incremental one if possible) ...

Secondcopy essentialy keeps a mirror of the host machine, rather than
full/incremental backups.

... on a more or less obvious single button click.

If it needs the user to do something it won't happen or only happen
once in a blue moon. Secondcopy can run every interval or as a log
off event, so when ever a user logs off, the copy is automatically
performed and the machine shutdown without the user being involved.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 13/07/2017 09:25, Martin Brown wrote:
This is an odd one and I don't have any good answers.

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will
run on ancient 32 bit Vista. Initial configuration is fine but once set
up and installed it needs to do a full backup (or incremental one if
possible) on a more or less obvious single button click.


Do they have material for which they really, really need off-site backup
- eg irreplaceable digital photos/scans of photos? A fire may seem a
remote possibility but ...

If their internet connection won't wear even a sub-set of data being
synchronised it'd not add much more cost to have a couple of USB sticks
which get updated & swapped with family/friends periodically. But only
idiot proof if you can find a non-idiot family member or friend to
"pull" the revised version when they visit.

--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

En el artículo , Martin Brown '''newspam''
escribió:

My solution for them is colour coded 64GB memory sticks for a
grandfather, father, son backup regime which I think they can follow.

Not a bad idea. You could call the backup jobs "red stick", "blue
stick", "yellow stick"

The things to remember about backup a

1. if it becomes a nuisance or more than a trivial chore, it just won't
get done

2. backup is only half the story. No backup is a backup until the
ability to restore data has been proven.

--
(\_/)
(='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

On 14/07/2017 19:03, Robin wrote:
On 13/07/2017 09:25, Martin Brown wrote:
This is an odd one and I don't have any good answers.

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will
run on ancient 32 bit Vista. Initial configuration is fine but once
set up and installed it needs to do a full backup (or incremental one
if possible) on a more or less obvious single button click.


Do they have material for which they really, really need off-site backup
- eg irreplaceable digital photos/scans of photos? A fire may seem a
remote possibility but ...

Yes. Good point.

More relevant for me though to be honest since I have a vast archive of
scanned digital information some of which is of historical importance
and almost irreplaceable. I must arrange a safe off site backup for it!

If their internet connection won't wear even a sub-set of data being
synchronised it'd not add much more cost to have a couple of USB sticks
which get updated & swapped with family/friends periodically. But only
idiot proof if you can find a non-idiot family member or friend to
"pull" the revised version when they visit.

I am that non-idiot family member. I'll see how they feel about that.
(and they can keep a copy of my archive safe in return)

Mine is backed up on multiple media and two independent machines but
they are all in the same room!

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

In message , Mike Tomlinson
writes:
En el artículo , Martin Brown '''newspam''
escribió:

My solution for them is colour coded 64GB memory sticks for a
grandfather, father, son backup regime which I think they can follow.

Not a bad idea. You could call the backup jobs "red stick", "blue
stick", "yellow stick"

(-:

The things to remember about backup a

1. if it becomes a nuisance or more than a trivial chore, it just won't
get done

)-: true. I don't do it often enough myself.

2. backup is only half the story. No backup is a backup until the
ability to restore data has been proven.

Hence my question some posts back: is it just data you're worrying
about, or the ability to restore a hosed system (hosed either through
hardware failure [disc drive being the commonest I think], or - as seems
more likely here - user action)? Though it seems from subsequent
discussion, though the OP hasn't actually said, that either it's only
data, or that that's the best he's going to get from those involved
(making a Macrium image or similar being beyond them).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

No sense being pessimistic. It wouldn't work anyway.
- Penny Mayes, UMRA, 2014-August

On 15/07/2017 09:02, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mike Tomlinson
writes:
En el artÃ*culo , Martin Brown '''newspam''
escribió:

My solution for them is colour coded 64GB memory sticks for a
grandfather, father, son backup regime which I think they can follow.

Not a bad idea. You could call the backup jobs "red stick", "blue
stick", "yellow stick"

(-:

The things to remember about backup a

1. if it becomes a nuisance or more than a trivial chore, it just won't
get done

)-: true. I don't do it often enough myself.

2. backup is only half the story. No backup is a backup until the
ability to restore data has been proven.

Hence my question some posts back: is it just data you're worrying
about, or the ability to restore a hosed system (hosed either through
hardware failure [disc drive being the commonest I think], or - as seems
more likely here - user action)? Though it seems from subsequent
discussion, though the OP hasn't actually said, that either it's only
data, or that that's the best he's going to get from those involved
(making a Macrium image or similar being beyond them).

Mainly the data. TBH I think the whole machine is on it's last legs
which is why I have already imaged all the valuable data I could see.

But I'll be happier once I have imaged the whole disk once to grab
everything. I failed last time because downloading software there was so
hopelessly unreliable due to poor internet service.

I can't imagine finding a modern machine that the disk image could be
restored onto or being able to find Vista video drivers for new
hardware. They will be forced kicking and screaming to upgrade to Win10
when it expires. BTW Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.

It has clarified a few points and made me think a lot harder about
exactly what they need, some solutions I hadn't considered and how to
make it easy for it to get done reliably. That may be the hardest part.

Wish me luck I am off there today!

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 15/07/2017 01:47, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Martin Brown '''newspam''
escribió:

My solution for them is colour coded 64GB memory sticks for a
grandfather, father, son backup regime which I think they can follow.

Not a bad idea. You could call the backup jobs "red stick", "blue
stick", "yellow stick"

Exactly.

The things to remember about backup a

1. if it becomes a nuisance or more than a trivial chore, it just won't
get done

In this case I can pretty much guarantee it will happen at least once a
month now - when I visit (even if no other backups occur).

2. backup is only half the story. No backup is a backup until the
ability to restore data has been proven.

Indeed. I was once bitten by reliable tested backup software which
failed on our codebase because the total volume size on our server had
gone above 2GB - only the first 2GB was recoverable after a crash.

Thankfully it wasn't over by a large amount and only a small amount of
recent work and new builds were lost. But it still hurt to redo work.

The software vendors admitted that they hadn't run into the problem as
their own codebase was smaller (signed vs unsigned longint bug).

Similar problem with a 2GB card in a Pentax istD - only the first GB was
usable and the camera would keep taking pictures but not storing them -
no idea how they mucked that up. Firmware update fixed it.

In this instance I envisage directory mirroring with verify (and
excluding a handful of large transient useless windows files).

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

En el artículo , Martin Brown .
uk escribió:

In this instance I envisage directory mirroring with verify (and

You should take a look at Bvckup, then. Once it's created the original backup, it backs
up subsequent changes using incremental delta copying so it is bloody quick. It can be set
to mirror the source or to archive backup copies of deleted files.

It backs up 3.2TB of data daily at 3am from my PC to a NAS running Linux. It only takes 3m
18s to process and write the changes. That's 1,176,710 files in 27,709 folders.

2017.07.15 02:18:18.311 (UTC+0) 2 1 Completed in 3 min 18 sec with no errors
2017.07.15 02:18:18.311 (UTC+0) 3 2 Read 1.20 GB, wrote 225.64 MB, throughput 94.58 MBps
/ 99173219 bps

excluding a handful of large transient useless windows files).

This is the default setting:

2017.07.15 02:15:00.667 (UTC+0) 2 2 Filtering rules
2017.07.15 02:15:00.667 (UTC+0) 3 3 Include everything by default
2017.07.15 02:15:00.667 (UTC+0) 3 3 Additional rules
2017.07.15 02:15:00.667 (UTC+0) 3 4 [Exclude] [files] matching [\hiberfil.sys]
2017.07.15 02:15:00.667 (UTC+0) 3 4 [Exclude] [files] matching [\pagefile.sys]
2017.07.15 02:15:00.667 (UTC+0) 3 4 [Exclude] [files] matching [~*.tmp]
2017.07.15 02:15:00.667 (UTC+0) 3 4 [Exclude] [files] matching [.tickle]
2017.07.15 02:15:00.667 (UTC+0) 3 4 [Exclude] [files] matching [\$dcsys$]
2017.07.15 02:15:00.667 (UTC+0) 3 4 [Exclude] [folders] matching [\System Volume
Information]
2017.07.15 02:15:00.667 (UTC+0) 3 4 [Exclude] [folders] matching [\Recycler]
2017.07.15 02:15:00.667 (UTC+0) 3 4 [Exclude] [folders] matching [\$Recycle.bin]
2017.07.15 02:15:00.667 (UTC+0) 3 4 [Exclude] [folders] matching [\Windows\CSC]
2017.07.15 02:15:00.667 (UTC+0) 3 4 [Exclude] [folders] matching [\Windows\System32\LogFil
es\WMI\RtBackup]
2017.07.15 02:15:00.667 (UTC+0) 3 4 [Exclude] [folders] matching [\ProgramData\Microsoft\C
rypto]
2017.07.15 02:15:00.667 (UTC+0) 3 4 [Exclude] [folders] matching [\ProgramData\Microsoft\M
icrosoft Antimalware\Scans\History\CacheManager]
2017.07.15 02:15:00.667 (UTC+0) 3 4 [Exclude] [folders] matching [Temporary Internet
Files]
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Another nice thing is that the target backup retains the filesystem structure and is
browseable - no horrible proprietary monolithic files that you need a separate app for.

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(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West

On Fri, 14 Jul 2017 08:49:32 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

My solution for them is colour coded 64GB memory sticks for a
grandfather, father, son backup regime which I think they can follow..

At work I used 5 different colour floppy disks for each working day
for incremental backups.At the end of each day, I ran the Microsoft
Backup Utility which came with W95 ; msbackup I think . On Friday I
ran a full-backup onto a couple of other floppies. Files were smaller
in those days ;-)

Doing this saved me a great deal of grief as W95 was rather flaky. I
think I used a similar one when we went to NT . I don't think MS
supplied a decent built-in backup utility after NT. At work we went
over to network drives and the IT department looked after backup and
restore, but was less convenient.

NTbackup might work on Vista , if you can find a copy. Incidentally I
still run Winfile (remember it ?) on Windows XP, W7 and W 10.

Brian

In message , Martin Brown
writes:
On 15/07/2017 09:02, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
Hence my question some posts back: is it just data you're worrying
[]
Mainly the data. TBH I think the whole machine is on it's last legs
which is why I have already imaged all the valuable data I could see.

But I'll be happier once I have imaged the whole disk once to grab
everything. I failed last time because downloading software there was
so hopelessly unreliable due to poor internet service.

So download it where you are, and make a bootable CD. Macrium 5 (and
probably 6 and 7) fits on a mini-CD, which rather appeals to me.

I can't imagine finding a modern machine that the disk image could be
restored onto or being able to find Vista video drivers for new

But if the death is just due to them screwing up the OS, or the HD going
bad, you could restore to the same machine.

hardware. They will be forced kicking and screaming to upgrade to Win10

Plenty of 7 (not sure about 8; I prefer 7 anyway) machines about.

when it expires. BTW Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.

YW.

It has clarified a few points and made me think a lot harder about
exactly what they need, some solutions I hadn't considered and how to
make it easy for it to get done reliably. That may be the hardest part.

Wish me luck I am off there today!

Good luck!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep
enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" - Jean Kerr

In message , Mike Tomlinson
writes:
En el artículo , Martin Brown
.
uk escribió:

In this instance I envisage directory mirroring with verify (and

You should take a look at Bvckup, then. Once it's created the original
backup, it backs
up subsequent changes using incremental delta copying so it is bloody
quick. It can be set
to mirror the source or to archive backup copies of deleted files.
[]
SyncToy does incremental delta copying - I rotate around three copies;
once the base copy (for each) exists, subsequent backups just involve
copying over what's new or changed, and deleting what's been deleted.
(You can make it not do that last, too, if you wish.) [Despite the name,
it's not a toy; it's from the people inside Microsoft who make good
utilities. IIRR, this one's from Mark Russinovitch.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty being only skin-deep. That's deep
enough. What do you want, an adorable pancreas?" - Jean Kerr

Andy Bennet posted

I use an xcopy batch file, triggered each day by "Create Synchronicity"
(free)
http://synchronicity.sourceforge.net/

has the advantage that you can mirror, zip or increntally update your
backups exactly as you wish via a windows batch file. Will work across
all Window platforms.

Isn't is simpler just to use the xcopy batch file?

--
Jack

In article , Martin Brown '''newspam'''@ne
zumi.demon.co.uk scribeth thus
On 15/07/2017 09:02, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mike Tomlinson
writes:
En el artículo , Martin Brown '''newspam''
escribió:

My solution for them is colour coded 64GB memory sticks for a
grandfather, father, son backup regime which I think they can follow.

Not a bad idea. You could call the backup jobs "red stick", "blue
stick", "yellow stick"

(-:

The things to remember about backup a

1. if it becomes a nuisance or more than a trivial chore, it just won't
get done

)-: true. I don't do it often enough myself.

2. backup is only half the story. No backup is a backup until the
ability to restore data has been proven.

Hence my question some posts back: is it just data you're worrying
about, or the ability to restore a hosed system (hosed either through
hardware failure [disc drive being the commonest I think], or - as seems
more likely here - user action)? Though it seems from subsequent
discussion, though the OP hasn't actually said, that either it's only
data, or that that's the best he's going to get from those involved
(making a Macrium image or similar being beyond them).

Mainly the data. TBH I think the whole machine is on it's last legs
which is why I have already imaged all the valuable data I could see.

But I'll be happier once I have imaged the whole disk once to grab
everything. I failed last time because downloading software there was so
hopelessly unreliable due to poor internet service.

I can't imagine finding a modern machine that the disk image could be
restored onto or being able to find Vista video drivers for new
hardware. They will be forced kicking and screaming to upgrade to Win10
when it expires. BTW Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.

It has clarified a few points and made me think a lot harder about
exactly what they need, some solutions I hadn't considered and how to
make it easy for it to get done reliably. That may be the hardest part.

Wish me luck I am off there today!


Why don't you upgrade to him to WIN 7 thats not expensive these days and
is a whole lot better than ****sta;!

--
Tony Sayer

On 18/07/2017 23:13, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Martin Brown '''newspam'''@ne
zumi.demon.co.uk scribeth thus

It has clarified a few points and made me think a lot harder about
exactly what they need, some solutions I hadn't considered and how to
make it easy for it to get done reliably. That may be the hardest part.

Wish me luck I am off there today!


Why don't you upgrade to him to WIN 7 thats not expensive these days and
is a whole lot better than ****sta;!

I am not overstating it when I say they are resistant to any change.
They are still on Office 97 and Adobe reader was so old that recent .PDF
file display only the left hand half of the page.

Vista was never quite as bad as the press painted it. Office 2007
releasednabout the same time was an unstable can of worms but never got
the opprobrium it deserved. It was fun watching users fight the ribbon!

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 19/07/2017 11:08, Martin Brown wrote:
Vista was never quite as bad as the press painted it. Office 2007
releasednabout the same time was an unstable can of worms but never got
the opprobrium it deserved. It was fun watching users fight the ribbon!

With that version, they could ask clippy how to manage backups :-)

In message , Martin Brown
writes:
[]
Vista was never quite as bad as the press painted it. Office 2007
releasednabout the same time was an unstable can of worms but never got
the opprobrium it deserved. It was fun watching users fight the ribbon!

There were (are) several make-the-ribbon-go-away utilities out the
the one I liked best was a Swiss (.ch) one, free for home use. Gave you
the original menu bar back (in Word and Excel anyway), without losing
new facilities.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

A professor is one who talks in someone else's sleep.

On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 11:08:13 +0100
Martin Brown wrote:

On 18/07/2017 23:13, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Martin Brown
'''newspam'''@ne zumi.demon.co.uk scribeth thus

It has clarified a few points and made me think a lot harder about
exactly what they need, some solutions I hadn't considered and how
to make it easy for it to get done reliably. That may be the
hardest part.

Wish me luck I am off there today!


Why don't you upgrade to him to WIN 7 thats not expensive these
days and is a whole lot better than ****sta;!

I am not overstating it when I say they are resistant to any change.

Vista was the beta version of Win 7 i.e. released too early in order to
pay bills. Win 7 is the Vista which works... with no addition needed to
the already prodigious resource requirements of Vista. There's little
difference in UI.

They are still on Office 97 and Adobe reader was so old that
recent .PDF file display only the left hand half of the page.

Vista was never quite as bad as the press painted it.

Its memory management was disgusting. Sitting there quite contented
with *0* free memory shown, so that opening a blank page in an already
running Word took half a minute, etc.

--
Joe

At 10:18:00 on Thu, 13 Jul 2017, Mike Tomlinson
wrote in :

En el artículo , Martin Brown '''newspam'
escribió:

I am looking for idiot proof backup software preferably free that will
run on ancient 32 bit Vista. Initial configuration is fine but once set
up and installed it needs to do a full backup (or incremental one if
possible) on a more or less obvious single button click.

Bvckyp. https://www.bvckup2.com/

So good I actually paid for it. Simple, reliable, lightning quick,
great support.

[On return from a couple of weeks away] Strongly agree (except that it's
Bvckup, not Bvckyp. The URL is correct.). It is totally trustworthy,
faultless, and - which is crucial - it is easy to restore one or more
files from the backup.
--
Molly Mockford
Nature loves variety. Unfortunately, society hates it. (Milton Diamond Ph.D.)
(My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not remain so for ever.)

En el artículo , Molly Mockford
escribió:

it's
Bvckup, not Bvckyp

a typo, something the somewhat less than perfect of us do from time to
time.

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(='.'=) "Between two evils, I always pick
(")_(") the one I never tried before." - Mae West