I wonder if someone here in the know might be able to comment on a
quote I just received for PVC replacement of all timber roofline
material.

The property is a large bungalow of cruciform shape so with four gable
ends.
Total fascia length 56m (including eaves protectors, soffits and
guttering)
Total barge board length 42m (including soffits)

18 month price all inclusive £14,192
1 week price with discount for allowing photos, etc £11,029
Includes removal of soffits that I have already had tested and found
to be Amosite (Brown Asbestos).

This pricing excludes the two garages, one twin and one large single
Estimated to be three days work

I priced the materials for bungalow plus both garages with a view to
DIY; this came to just over £1,400 for the same fit and interestingly
the same PVC supplier as the quoting company use (PBS of King's Lynn
and Norwich). I had priced the disposal of the asbestos sheet at £99
per 200kg (Norfolk CC) plus double poly wrap so say £300.

I would say that trying to do the job alone would be impractical
because of the length of boards involved so I would pay for help
Allowing £1,000 for that gives total job price of less than £3,000 ...
anyone want a job?

Mike (North west Norfolk)

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wrote:
I wonder if someone here in the know might be able to comment on a
quote I just received for PVC replacement of all timber roofline
material.

The property is a large bungalow of cruciform shape so with four gable
ends.
Total fascia length 56m (including eaves protectors, soffits and
guttering)
Total barge board length 42m (including soffits)

18 month price all inclusive £14,192
1 week price with discount for allowing photos, etc £11,029
Includes removal of soffits that I have already had tested and found
to be Amosite (Brown Asbestos).

This pricing excludes the two garages, one twin and one large single
Estimated to be three days work

I priced the materials for bungalow plus both garages with a view to
DIY; this came to just over £1,400 for the same fit and interestingly
the same PVC supplier as the quoting company use (PBS of King's Lynn
and Norwich). I had priced the disposal of the asbestos sheet at £99
per 200kg (Norfolk CC) plus double poly wrap so say £300.

I would say that trying to do the job alone would be impractical
because of the length of boards involved so I would pay for help
Allowing £1,000 for that gives total job price of less than £3,000 ...
anyone want a job?

Mike (North west Norfolk)

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About £4K. For 1 weeks work, 2 people.

On Tuesday, 20 June 2017 08:39:17 UTC+1, wrote:
I wonder if someone here in the know might be able to comment on a
quote I just received for PVC replacement of all timber roofline
material.

The property is a large bungalow of cruciform shape so with four gable
ends.
Total fascia length 56m (including eaves protectors, soffits and
guttering)
Total barge board length 42m (including soffits)

18 month price all inclusive £14,192
1 week price with discount for allowing photos, etc £11,029

$%(*&^

Includes removal of soffits that I have already had tested and found
to be Amosite (Brown Asbestos).

This pricing excludes the two garages, one twin and one large single
Estimated to be three days work

I priced the materials for bungalow plus both garages with a view to
DIY; this came to just over £1,400 for the same fit and interestingly
the same PVC supplier as the quoting company use (PBS of King's Lynn
and Norwich). I had priced the disposal of the asbestos sheet at £99
per 200kg (Norfolk CC) plus double poly wrap so say £300.

I would say that trying to do the job alone would be impractical
because of the length of boards involved so I would pay for help
Allowing £1,000 for that gives total job price of less than £3,000 ...
anyone want a job?

sounds a lot more sensible


NT

On 20/06/2017 08:39, wrote:
I wonder if someone here in the know might be able to comment on a
quote I just received for PVC replacement of all timber roofline
material.

How many quotes did you get?
Not the same situation but when my mother had the soffits, gutters and
downpipes done on a 3 bed semi detached house the quotes ranged from
£1500 to £5000.

The lowest quote was from a small local family run firm that came by
recommendation. They quoted one price with no hard sell afterwards. Job
completed in one day - two men + the boss for a third of a day.

The highest quote was from one of the bigger operators and was
subsequently reduced in stepped amounts with daily phone calls
afterwards. One quote was rejected because of the bull**** sales method
including the phone call back to the boss for that extra discount.


18 month price all inclusive £14,192
1 week price with discount for allowing photos, etc £11,029
Includes removal of soffits that I have already had tested and found
to be Amosite (Brown Asbestos).

The alarm bells should be ringing if you are getting that discount of
£3000 just because your property has been specially selected in the area
for promotional purposes and you have to sign up immediately.

As you have costed the materials and some of the cost of disposal your
quotes look like the classic "we don't want the job" but if we do get it
we can sub-contract it off to another company and still make a large profit.

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Probably the same advertising message on the post that took down a lot
of the NHS systems recently.

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On 20/06/2017 08:39, wrote:

I would say that trying to do the job alone would be impractical
because of the length of boards involved so I would pay for help
Allowing £1,000 for that gives total job price of less than £3,000 ...
anyone want a job?

Scaffolding or scaffold towers? I have done a couple of 5m lengths of
structural uPVC fascia on ladders but I'd not fancy c.100m.


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On Tue, 20 Jun 2017 08:39:12 +0100, wrote:

I wonder if someone here in the know might be able to comment on a
quote I just received for PVC replacement of all timber roofline
material.

The property is a large bungalow of cruciform shape so with four gable
ends.

Gables increase the cost, because they take longer to do, I learned
when I had mine done. Having to use scaffolding won't help keep the
price down.

wrote:
I wonder if someone here in the know might be able to comment on a
quote I just received for PVC replacement of all timber roofline
material.

The property is a large bungalow of cruciform shape so with four gable
ends.
Total fascia length 56m (including eaves protectors, soffits and
guttering)
Total barge board length 42m (including soffits)

18 month price all inclusive £14,192
1 week price with discount for allowing photos, etc £11,029
Includes removal of soffits that I have already had tested and found
to be Amosite (Brown Asbestos).

This pricing excludes the two garages, one twin and one large single
Estimated to be three days work

I priced the materials for bungalow plus both garages with a view to
DIY; this came to just over £1,400 for the same fit and interestingly
the same PVC supplier as the quoting company use (PBS of King's Lynn
and Norwich). I had priced the disposal of the asbestos sheet at £99
per 200kg (Norfolk CC) plus double poly wrap so say £300.

I would say that trying to do the job alone would be impractical
because of the length of boards involved so I would pay for help
Allowing £1,000 for that gives total job price of less than £3,000 ...
anyone want a job?

Mike (North west Norfolk)

Get someone in who wants the job, they obviously don't giving prices out
like that.

A small local building firm who advertises in the local rag. Don't pay more
than 5K and that includes gutters and downpipes

Thanks to all for your suggestions; I'll keep my response to just one

I have only had this one quote which was unsolicited; they were doing
work for a neighbour and just touting round.

I may get another couple of quotes just out of interest to see if they
are consistent for the industry in my area.

I wasn't surprised at their being two prices; seems to be par for the
course. I did advise her that there was no point in ringing her boss
and coming back with another price; she insisted on phoning him anyway
and made no attempt to do the usual.

Capitol said "About £4K. For 1 weeks work, 2 people". That's just an
average labour rate isn't it; not including material I presume?

Robin asked Scaffolding or scaffold towers? I did say this is a
bungalow; she didn't quote for either so I presume just simple staging
to get a couple of feet up and tower for the barge boards

The ridge is not high; I cannot stand anywhere near upright in the
loft. There are hard standings all around so no soft ground issues.

Phil L. said A small local building firm who advertises in the local
rag. Don't pay more than 5K and that includes gutters and downpipes.
That is the price I had in the back of my mind before the knock on the
door yesterday.

Keeping up with the spirit of things I still have a mind to do it
myself! Just hire in lad to help me for a few days with the long bits;
I can then diddle around with the gable box ends etc to my heart's
content. After all, if I don't do it I might end up watching daytime
TV while drinking larger!

Mike
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On 20/06/2017 23:15, wrote:

they were doing work for a neighbour and just touting round.

Never ever buy anything from someone who cold calls at your door.
I wonder if the conversation started " I'm not selling anything....but"

After all, if I don't do it I might end up watching daytime TV while drinking larger!
It could be worse. You may end up watching daytime TV and then realise
that you are not drinking alcohol.

The problem these days with so many channels and nothing to watch is
that the low budget daytime programs have morphed into being prime time
programs.

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On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 07:47:06 +0100, alan_m
wrote:

On 20/06/2017 23:15, wrote:

they were doing work for a neighbour and just touting round.

Never ever buy anything from someone who cold calls at your door.
I wonder if the conversation started " I'm not selling anything....but"
Quite the reverse .. it was "I see you have double glazed windows and
nice new composite door and was wondering if you would be interested
in us giving a quote for your roofline products"


After all, if I don't do it I might end up watching daytime TV while drinking larger!
It could be worse. You may end up watching daytime TV and then realise
that you are not drinking alcohol.

The problem these days with so many channels and nothing to watch is
that the low budget daytime programs have morphed into being prime time
programs.
So true.

I have decided I am going to have a crack at the garages first; they
are the easiest and the cost of the products I need exceed the minimum
order for free delivery so why not!

Happy days,
Mike

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Something I forgot to mention, and it happens all the time is that
they expect you to sign a contract and pay deposit for the whole job
and this is before the surveyor comes round and almost certainly
identifies issues (not additional customer requirements) that neither
the lead gatherer nor the salesperson picked up on and promptly wants
to increase the contract price.

Sure enough the sales girl hadn't foggiest idea how they would get
over the conservatory on one of the gable ends where the ridge is and
almost to the top of the gable so scaffold would be useless unless
they hung upside down. Easy I said pop off the two roofing panels
nearest to the wall and access from inside the conservatory. This was
a concept she couldn't grasp and said that she would leave it to the
surveyor to decide on ... i.e. price up!

Mike

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After serious thinking Phil L wrote :
Get someone in who wants the job, they obviously don't giving prices out like
that.

A small local building firm who advertises in the local rag. Don't pay more
than 5K and that includes gutters and downpipes

I agree, the quote given is way over the top.

It is a straight forward DIY job, especially given that it is a
bungalow.
Your material costs should come in at well under £1,000.

wrote on 21/06/2017 :
Something I forgot to mention, and it happens all the time is that
they expect you to sign a contract and pay deposit for the whole job
and this is before the surveyor comes round and almost certainly
identifies issues (not additional customer requirements) that neither
the lead gatherer nor the salesperson picked up on and promptly wants
to increase the contract price.

Don't touch a company which operates like this, with a barge pole. I
had ten windows redone and two outside doors, by a local company. They
gave a quote, did the job, then there was no rush to pay them. A
deposit is not strictly necessary, if you obviously own your own home
and have signed a contract.

On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 12:52:40 +0100, Harry Bloomfield
wrote:

After serious thinking Phil L wrote :
Get someone in who wants the job, they obviously don't giving prices out like
that.

A small local building firm who advertises in the local rag. Don't pay more
than 5K and that includes gutters and downpipes

I agree, the quote given is way over the top.

It is a straight forward DIY job, especially given that it is a
bungalow.
Your material costs should come in at well under £1,000.

Thanks Harry; I am convinced to get on with it.

The materials are just over £1400; it is a lot of house plus the two
garages.

Cheers

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