cladding tests to begin tomorrow, not just from grenfell, but for
council towers across the country

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/19/councils-ordered-send-high-rise-cladding-urgent-fire-tests-glenfell

So looks like it could turn on the alteration from this zinc FR
composite in the initial 2012 planning application

http://www.vmzinc.com/facade/vmz-composite.html

https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/idoxWAM/doc/Other-960662.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=960662&location=VOLUM E2&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=1

to the aluminium composite (which doesn't actually specify FR or PE) by
the 2015 approved materials list, even though it's still only a planning
doc, not a regs doc.

https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/idoxWAM/doc/Other-1421792.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=1421792&location=VOL UME2&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=1

In article ,
Andy Burns writes:
cladding tests to begin tomorrow, not just from grenfell, but for
council towers across the country

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/19/councils-ordered-send-high-rise-cladding-urgent-fire-tests-glenfell

So looks like it could turn on the alteration from this zinc FR
composite in the initial 2012 planning application

http://www.vmzinc.com/facade/vmz-composite.html

https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/idoxWAM/doc/Other-960662.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=960662&location=VOLUM E2&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=1

to the aluminium composite (which doesn't actually specify FR or PE) by
the 2015 approved materials list, even though it's still only a planning
doc, not a regs doc.

https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/idoxWAM/doc/Other-1421792.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=1421792&location=VOL UME2&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=1

Camden apparently started stripping cladding from 4 buildings
today, with 24x7 on-site fire watch until it's completed.

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Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Camden apparently started stripping cladding from 4 buildings
today, with 24x7 on-site fire watch until it's completed.

Yes, not too shabby a response ...

Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Camden apparently started stripping cladding from 4 buildings
today

Burnham Tower (ironic name!) seems to have the riveted version, rather
than the cassette version ...

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/908a170bad008d5fb39cc6616a7bba546e4f762d/0_447_6720_4032/master/6720.jpg?w=1920&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s= 23f44af4c8b34dc8e50e962a9a4c3d5f

On 22/06/2017 18:10, Andy Burns wrote:
Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Camden apparently started stripping cladding from 4 buildings
today, with 24x7 on-site fire watch until it's completed.

Yes, not too shabby a response ...

Please don't be misled by sloppy headlines from sub-editors. They've
not actually started removing the panels yet (apart from the ones
removed for testing). The official line is "will immediately begin
preparing to remove..."

Please also note that organs such as The Guardian may state it is
similar to the cladding at Grenfell but they don't specify in what ways
similar let alone in what ways different. Camden's official statement
points out that (a) "they have fire-resistant rock wool insulation
designed to prevent the spread of fire and fire resistant sealant
between floors" and (b) they reckon they didn't get what they specified.

http://news.camden.gov.uk/camden-set...-tower-blocks/


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Robin wrote:

Please don't be misled by sloppy headlines from sub-editors. They've
not actually started removing the panels yet (apart from the ones
removed for testing).

I assumed as much, but putting the wardens in place (presumably giving
dozens of council pens a rest from being pushed for a few weeks).

On 22/06/2017 18:34, Robin wrote:

Please don't be misled by sloppy headlines from sub-editors. They've
not actually started removing the panels yet (apart from the ones
removed for testing).

I'll bet they are only testing the ones they can remove easily from the
lower floors. The type on other floors may be different.


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On 22/06/2017 18:02, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Andy Burns writes:
cladding tests to begin tomorrow, not just from grenfell, but for
council towers across the country


to the aluminium composite (which doesn't actually specify FR or PE) by
the 2015 approved materials list, even though it's still only a planning
doc, not a regs doc.


Camden apparently started stripping cladding from 4 buildings
today, with 24x7 on-site fire watch until it's completed.


There is a real danger of copy-cat fires being started intentionally.

On 22/06/17 23:05, Andrew wrote:
On 22/06/2017 18:02, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Andy Burns writes:
cladding tests to begin tomorrow, not just from grenfell, but for
council towers across the country


to the aluminium composite (which doesn't actually specify FR or PE) by
the 2015 approved materials list, even though it's still only a planning
doc, not a regs doc.


Camden apparently started stripping cladding from 4 buildings
today, with 24x7 on-site fire watch until it's completed.


There is a real danger of copy-cat fires being started intentionally.

National burn an immigrant week?

Well it will go well with the hard left's 'summer of hate'.

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Andrew wrote:

There is a real danger of copy-cat fires being started intentionally.

There was someone on the radio suggesting council tenants might believe
they'd all get new £1.5m flats by burning their tower down, seemed a bit
far fetched ...

National burn an immigrant week?
Well it will go well with the hard left's 'summer of hate'.

1 million people for the 'day of rage' seemed to be 300 people in practice.

On Friday, 23 June 2017 08:45:49 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:
There was someone on the radio suggesting council tenants might believe
they'd all get new £1.5m flats by burning their tower down, seemed a bit
far fetched ...

Not to some of the thickos that live in them.

Although if the towers are fully insured for complete rebuilding the prospect might appeal to a few councils too.

Owain

On 23/06/17 08:45, Andy Burns wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Andrew wrote:

There is a real danger of copy-cat fires being started intentionally.

There was someone on the radio suggesting council tenants might believe
they'd all get new £1.5m flats by burning their tower down, seemed a bit
far fetched ...

National burn an immigrant week? Well it will go well with the hard
left's 'summer of hate'.

1 million people for the 'day of rage' seemed to be 300 people in practice.

I think even less.


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"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Andrew wrote:

There is a real danger of copy-cat fires being started intentionally.

There was someone on the radio suggesting council tenants might believe
they'd all get new £1.5m flats by burning their tower down, seemed a bit
far fetched ...

National burn an immigrant week? Well it will go well with the hard
left's 'summer of hate'.

1 million people for the 'day of rage' seemed to be 300 people in
practice.

perhaps we should have a day of being mildly annoyed then .....

On 23/06/17 09:12, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Andrew wrote:

There is a real danger of copy-cat fires being started intentionally.

There was someone on the radio suggesting council tenants might believe
they'd all get new �1.5m flats by burning their tower down, seemed a bit
far fetched ...

National burn an immigrant week? Well it will go well with the hard
left's 'summer of hate'.

1 million people for the 'day of rage' seemed to be 300 people in
practice.

perhaps we should have a day of being mildly annoyed then .....


Day of abject depression that a year after independenve day, we seem
further away than ever and the remoaning is still going on

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On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:19:53 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 23/06/17 09:12, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Andrew wrote:

There is a real danger of copy-cat fires being started
intentionally.

There was someone on the radio suggesting council tenants might
believe they'd all get new �1.5m flats by burning their tower down,
seemed a bit far fetched ...

National burn an immigrant week? Well it will go well with the hard
left's 'summer of hate'.

1 million people for the 'day of rage' seemed to be 300 people in
practice.

perhaps we should have a day of being mildly annoyed then .....


Day of abject depression that a year after independenve day, we seem
further away than ever and the remoaning is still going on

The Lievers said (before the vote) that if it was 52/48 against them,
they wouldn't accept it.

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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 18:57:30 +0100, alan_m wrote:

On 22/06/2017 18:34, Robin wrote:

Please don't be misled by sloppy headlines from sub-editors. They've
not actually started removing the panels yet (apart from the ones
removed for testing).

I'll bet they are only testing the ones they can remove easily from the
lower floors. The type on other floors may be different.

One photo seen today or yesterday was from a scaffold tower very near the
ground, the other was of persons abseiling down and removing cladding maybe 10
floors up.

Grenfell also seemed to have a transition point on one facade below which
burning ceased to happen as if there was a change in material, or the
installation method, or a lack of chimney effect.
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On 23/06/2017 07:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/06/17 23:05, Andrew wrote:
On 22/06/2017 18:02, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
Andy Burns writes:
cladding tests to begin tomorrow, not just from grenfell, but for
council towers across the country


to the aluminium composite (which doesn't actually specify FR or PE) by
the 2015 approved materials list, even though it's still only a
planning
doc, not a regs doc.


Camden apparently started stripping cladding from 4 buildings
today, with 24x7 on-site fire watch until it's completed.


There is a real danger of copy-cat fires being started intentionally.

National burn an immigrant week?

Well it will go well with the hard left's 'summer of hate'.


The bloody idiots like harry that voted leave to get rid of the
immigrants, and that now assume the rest of those that voted leave think
the same, that are the problem.

You can blame the left as much as you like but the rest of us know who
it is to blame.

On 23/06/2017 09:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Day of abject depression that a year after independenve day, we seem
further away than ever and the remoaning is still going on


That would be because the majority don't want the hard brexit you want.

If you are really depressed why not get treatment while there are still
immigrants to treat you?

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:
On 23/06/2017 09:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Day of abject depression that a year after independenve day, we seem
further away than ever and the remoaning is still going on


That would be because the majority don't want the hard brexit you want.

Be very interesting to actually know what the majority do want that is
achievable.

If you are really depressed why not get treatment while there are still
immigrants to treat you?

Thought Turnip was emigrating?

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On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:30:31 +0100, The Other Mike wrote:

Grenfell also seemed to have a transition point on one facade below
which burning ceased to happen as if there was a change in material, or
the installation method, or a lack of chimney effect.

Or wind direction.

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On Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:34:11 UTC+1, Robin wrote:
On 22/06/2017 18:10, Andy Burns wrote:
Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Camden apparently started stripping cladding from 4 buildings
today, with 24x7 on-site fire watch until it's completed.

Yes, not too shabby a response ...

Please don't be misled by sloppy headlines from sub-editors. They've
not actually started removing the panels yet (apart from the ones
removed for testing). The official line is "will immediately begin
preparing to remove..."

Please also note that organs such as The Guardian may state it is
similar to the cladding at Grenfell but they don't specify in what ways
similar let alone in what ways different. Camden's official statement
points out that (a) "they have fire-resistant rock wool insulation
designed to prevent the spread of fire and fire resistant sealant
between floors" and (b) they reckon they didn't get what they specified.

http://news.camden.gov.uk/camden-set...-tower-blocks/

Sounds like someone finally opened a letter from the residents health and safety complaints committee.