........Corbyn has it in hand, U2 batteries are on express delivery.

"bm" wrote in message
web.com...
.......Corbyn has it in hand, U2 batteries are on express delivery.

News just in.
Seems that Dave is providing hot dogs and caviar to anyone who will vote
Labour.

"bm" wrote in message
web.com...

"bm" wrote in message
web.com...
.......Corbyn has it in hand, U2 batteries are on express delivery.

News just in.
Seems that Dave is providing hot dogs and caviar to anyone who will vote
Labour.

The Tim Farron poofter sect is up in arms, how dare they screw my Saturday
night ****-in.
Totally unacceptable, I'll be having a word with Vince, he'll know how to
bull**** properly.

If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his mps do
not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much if elected.
We are in dire need of a communist party in this country. One that actually
can work. However at the present we have basically a lot of rabble who seem
to have no direction in all the parties. One has to ask does it, in the end
matter at all?

Brian

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If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his mps do
not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much if elected.
We are in dire need of a communist party in this country. One that
actually can work. However at the present we have basically a lot of
rabble who seem to have no direction in all the parties. One has to ask
does it, in the end matter at all?

Brian

A communist party that can actually work?
Are you for real?

Brian Gaff wrote

If Labour do win,

Not a chance, you watch. Even you lot arent actually THAT stupid.

who is going to be in his government.

We'll never know, because even you lot aint actually THAT stupid.

most of his mps do not agree with him and they
may not want to toe the line much if elected.

Yep, it would be a complete shambles.

We are in dire need of a communist party in this country.

Nope, no one does.

One that actually can work.

None ever can.

However at the present we have basically a lot of rabble
who seem to have no direction in all the parties.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

One has to ask does it, in the end matter at all?

Nope, the system is robust enough so that it can survive anything.

And the fools you get to vote for arent anything
like as important as they think they are.


"bm" wrote in message
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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news
If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his mps do
not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much if elected.


it's only his defence and foreign policy where they disagree with him, and
he seems to have put those aspiration to bed during the election for the
greater good.

But on his economic/employment/etc policies they are much in agreement with
him, they just didn't think that they were policies that could win an
election

tim

On 04/06/17 12:02, tim... wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news
If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his
mps do not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much
if elected.


it's only his defence and foreign policy where they disagree with him,
and he seems to have put those aspiration to bed during the election for
the greater good.

But on his economic/employment/etc policies they are much in agreement
with him, they just didn't think that they were policies that could win
an election


which is precisely why they shouldn't win an election.

tim





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always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them"

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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 04/06/17 12:02, tim... wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news
If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his mps
do not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much if
elected.


it's only his defence and foreign policy where they disagree with him,
and he seems to have put those aspiration to bed during the election for
the greater good.

But on his economic/employment/etc policies they are much in agreement
with him, they just didn't think that they were policies that could win
an election


which is precisely why they shouldn't win an election.

but is almost certainly the reason why they are closer than the should be

tim

On 04/06/17 12:13, tim... wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 04/06/17 12:02, tim... wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his
mps do not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much
if elected.


it's only his defence and foreign policy where they disagree with
him, and he seems to have put those aspiration to bed during the
election for the greater good.

But on his economic/employment/etc policies they are much in
agreement with him, they just didn't think that they were policies
that could win an election


which is precisely why they shouldn't win an election.

but is almost certainly the reason why they are closer than the should be


How close they are is a subject of considerable debate.

There is an infeasibly large spread in the polls.

More than can be explained by statistics.



tim





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This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women"

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 04/06/17 12:13, tim... wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 04/06/17 12:02, tim... wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his
mps do not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much
if elected.


it's only his defence and foreign policy where they disagree with him,
and he seems to have put those aspiration to bed during the election
for the greater good.

But on his economic/employment/etc policies they are much in agreement
with him, they just didn't think that they were policies that could win
an election


which is precisely why they shouldn't win an election.

but is almost certainly the reason why they are closer than the should be


How close they are is a subject of considerable debate.

There is an infeasibly large spread in the polls.

More than can be explained by statistics.

only 4 days to wait :-(

tim

On Sunday, 4 June 2017 12:17:28 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
There is an infeasibly large spread in the polls.
More than can be explained by statistics.

Surely everything can be explained by statistics?

Owain

On 04/06/17 14:58, wrote:
On Sunday, 4 June 2017 12:17:28 UTC+1, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
There is an infeasibly large spread in the polls.
More than can be explained by statistics.

Surely everything can be explained by statistics?

All right

"More than can be explained by statistics that are applicable to opinion
polls"

Owain



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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

tim... wrote
Brian Gaff wrote

If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his mps
do not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much if
elected.

it's only his defence and foreign policy where they disagree with him,

Like hell it is. There's a reason he's been thru so many shadow ministers
and why the entire parliamentary party tried to change leader and failed.

and he seems to have put those aspiration to bed during the election for
the greater good.

He's always been into that sort of flagrant dishonesty.
He never did make clear what he thought about leaving
the EU in the runup to the BRexit referendum either.

But on his economic/employment/etc policies they are much in agreement
with him,

Like hell they are, particularly on the question of whether
it makes any sense what so ever to be spending an immense
amount of money renationalising what he wants to renationalise
at time when Labour has already produced an immense deficit
with their terminal stupidity of deregulating the banks and then
having to bail them out and take over the worst of them when
the **** hit the fan internationally.

they just didn't think that they were policies that could win an election

I'm not convinced that most of them are actually
stupid enough to want to renationalise what he
wants to renationalise at the immense cost of that now.

Certainly some of the union goons are
that stupid, but I just don't believe that the
remaining Blairites are actually that stupid.

"tim..." wrote in message
news


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 04/06/17 12:02, tim... wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his mps
do not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much if
elected.


it's only his defence and foreign policy where they disagree with him,
and he seems to have put those aspiration to bed during the election for
the greater good.

But on his economic/employment/etc policies they are much in agreement
with him, they just didn't think that they were policies that could win
an election


which is precisely why they shouldn't win an election.

but is almost certainly the reason why they are closer than the should be

It remains to be seen if they actually are closer than they should be.

The polls have ****ed up so spectacularly recently that it remains to
be seen if they are actually closer to being the govt than they were
the last time. IMO thats very unlikely given that Labour has tripped
off to the hard left again and hardly any of the voters want that policy
and the leadership **** fight has been so spectacularly stupid. Thats
just the sort of thing that sees so many of the voters decide that if
they cant even run the ****ing party, they havent got a hope in hell
of running the ****ing country, particularly with the very important
Article 50 negotiations coming up with Corbyn not even able to
organise a ****up in a ****ing brewery, or anything else at all either.

On 04/06/2017 08:45, Brian Gaff wrote:
If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his mps do
not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much if elected.

No MP has ever turned down a ministerial post. I can still remember
Clare Short, who would fit like a glove into JC's loony left, being
unable to resist the temptation for an ego boost taking a post in
Blair's first government.

JoeJoe wrote
Brian Gaff wrote

If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his mps
do
not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much if elected.

No MP has ever turned down a ministerial post.

Some have done just that.

I can still remember Clare Short, who would fit like a glove into JC's
loony left, being unable to resist the temptation for an ego boost taking
a post in Blair's first government.

Sure, but not all operate like that.

in 1595606 20170604 120422 The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/06/17 12:02, tim... wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news
If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his
mps do not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much
if elected.


it's only his defence and foreign policy where they disagree with him,
and he seems to have put those aspiration to bed during the election for
the greater good.

But on his economic/employment/etc policies they are much in agreement
with him, they just didn't think that they were policies that could win
an election


which is precisely why they shouldn't win an election.

Mrs Mayhem is so useless that anyone should be able to beat her
(assuming an intelligent electorate, which we ain't got)

On 05/06/17 07:32, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1595606 20170604 120422 The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/06/17 12:02, tim... wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his
mps do not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much
if elected.


it's only his defence and foreign policy where they disagree with him,
and he seems to have put those aspiration to bed during the election for
the greater good.

But on his economic/employment/etc policies they are much in agreement
with him, they just didn't think that they were policies that could win
an election


which is precisely why they shouldn't win an election.

Mrs Mayhem is so useless that anyone should be able to beat her
(assuming an intelligent electorate, which we ain't got)



But then Corbyn is even more useless as is Farron, Sturgeon etc.
Hobson's choice.


The theory being they are supposed to make the EU leaders look competent
I think.



--
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too dark to read.

Groucho Marx

"Bob Martin" wrote in message ...

in 1595606 20170604 120422 The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 04/06/17 12:02, tim... wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his
mps do not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much
if elected.


it's only his defence and foreign policy where they disagree with him,
and he seems to have put those aspiration to bed during the election for
the greater good.

But on his economic/employment/etc policies they are much in agreement
with him, they just didn't think that they were policies that could win
an election


which is precisely why they shouldn't win an election.

Mrs Mayhem is so useless that anyone should be able to beat her
(assuming an intelligent electorate, which we ain't got)

Don't be so harsh on yourself. I'm sure you have a trace of intelligence
somewhere.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...


"tim..." wrote in message
news


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
news
On 04/06/17 12:02, tim... wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his
mps do not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much
if elected.


it's only his defence and foreign policy where they disagree with him,
and he seems to have put those aspiration to bed during the election
for the greater good.

But on his economic/employment/etc policies they are much in agreement
with him, they just didn't think that they were policies that could win
an election


which is precisely why they shouldn't win an election.

but is almost certainly the reason why they are closer than the should be

It remains to be seen if they actually are closer than they should be.

well obviously, only 3 days to go ...

"JoeJoe" wrote in message
...
On 04/06/2017 08:45, Brian Gaff wrote:
If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his mps
do
not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much if elected.

No MP has ever turned down a ministerial post.

then you haven't been looking for the past 18 months

tim

In article ,
Bob Martin wrote:
in 1595606 20170604 120422 The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/06/17 12:02, tim... wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his
mps do not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much
if elected.


it's only his defence and foreign policy where they disagree with him,
and he seems to have put those aspiration to bed during the election for
the greater good.

But on his economic/employment/etc policies they are much in agreement
with him, they just didn't think that they were policies that could win
an election


which is precisely why they shouldn't win an election.

Mrs Mayhem is so useless that anyone should be able to beat her
(assuming an intelligent electorate, which we ain't got)

I wasn't impressed by her 'enough is enough' speech. Her command of the
language is poor. That is the sort of thing you say about tantrums from a
toddler - you've put up with it for long enough, and won't anymore.

We should not be putting up with terrorism under any circumstances.

It is a different matter trying to understand the reasons behind that
terrorism and doing something about that too.

It seems at least one of the terrorists had been reported by more than one
person as being a dangerous fanatic. Just how much cutting police numbers,
which Ms May did as HS, was responsible for this not being acted on is
something we may never know.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

in 1595846 20170605 105812 "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article ,
Bob Martin wrote:
in 1595606 20170604 120422 The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/06/17 12:02, tim... wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his
mps do not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much
if elected.


it's only his defence and foreign policy where they disagree with him,
and he seems to have put those aspiration to bed during the election for
the greater good.

But on his economic/employment/etc policies they are much in agreement
with him, they just didn't think that they were policies that could win
an election


which is precisely why they shouldn't win an election.

Mrs Mayhem is so useless that anyone should be able to beat her
(assuming an intelligent electorate, which we ain't got)

I wasn't impressed by her 'enough is enough' speech. Her command of the
language is poor. That is the sort of thing you say about tantrums from a
toddler - you've put up with it for long enough, and won't anymore.

We should not be putting up with terrorism under any circumstances.

It is a different matter trying to understand the reasons behind that
terrorism and doing something about that too.

It seems at least one of the terrorists had been reported by more than one
person as being a dangerous fanatic. Just how much cutting police numbers,
which Ms May did as HS, was responsible for this not being acted on is
something we may never know.

"Enough is enough".
Someone should be putting some difficult questions to whoever has
been Home Secretary for the previous 7 years.

in 1595862 20170605 122354 Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Bob Martin
wrote:

"Enough is enough".
Someone should be putting some difficult questions to whoever has
been Home Secretary for the previous 7 years.

No, someone should be putting those questions to all the luvvies and
north London twerps who call "Racist" any attempt to raise or discuss
the issue of some mosques and some immams and their promotion or
terrorism.

--
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a Web page appears to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web,
when you had very little chance of reading a document written on another
computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee

Weak.

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .

In article , Bob Martin
wrote:

"Enough is enough".
Someone should be putting some difficult questions to whoever has
been Home Secretary for the previous 7 years.

No, someone should be putting those questions to all the luvvies and
north London twerps who call "Racist" any attempt to raise or discuss
the issue of some mosques and some immams and their promotion or
terrorism.

+1

You don't hear much from Shami Chakrabarti these days. Thankfully.

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Bob Martin
wrote:

"Enough is enough".
Someone should be putting some difficult questions to whoever has
been Home Secretary for the previous 7 years.

No, someone should be putting those questions to all the luvvies and
north London twerps who call "Racist" any attempt to raise or discuss
the issue of some mosques and some immams and their promotion or
terrorism.

You think those luvvies have more power/influence than the government of
the day, do you?

Or are you just the typical UKIP supporter who thinks all moslems are
terrorists?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 05/06/2017 12:18, Bob Martin wrote:
in 1595846 20170605 105812 "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article ,
Bob Martin wrote:
in 1595606 20170604 120422 The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/06/17 12:02, tim... wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his
mps do not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much
if elected.


it's only his defence and foreign policy where they disagree with him,
and he seems to have put those aspiration to bed during the election for
the greater good.

But on his economic/employment/etc policies they are much in agreement
with him, they just didn't think that they were policies that could win
an election


which is precisely why they shouldn't win an election.

Mrs Mayhem is so useless that anyone should be able to beat her
(assuming an intelligent electorate, which we ain't got)

I wasn't impressed by her 'enough is enough' speech. Her command of the
language is poor. That is the sort of thing you say about tantrums from a
toddler - you've put up with it for long enough, and won't anymore.

We should not be putting up with terrorism under any circumstances.

It is a different matter trying to understand the reasons behind that
terrorism and doing something about that too.

It seems at least one of the terrorists had been reported by more than one
person as being a dangerous fanatic. Just how much cutting police numbers,
which Ms May did as HS, was responsible for this not being acted on is
something we may never know.

"Enough is enough".
Someone should be putting some difficult questions to whoever has
been Home Secretary for the previous 7 years.

....with the LibDems on her back... They were blocking every single
attempt at anti terrorism legislation.

Since I am no blind voter and have never been one and always vote for
the party/leader that I believe is the best on offer at the time, why
don't we look at the options objectively?

Would you rather vote for the person who voted against every single anti
terrorism legislation in recent memory instead? A person who believed
that perhaps the police should have invited the 3 nutters into the pub
for a friendly chat?

On 05/06/2017 14:39, Richard wrote:
"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .

In article , Bob Martin
wrote:

"Enough is enough".
Someone should be putting some difficult questions to whoever has
been Home Secretary for the previous 7 years.

No, someone should be putting those questions to all the luvvies and
north London twerps who call "Racist" any attempt to raise or discuss
the issue of some mosques and some immams and their promotion or
terrorism.

+1

You don't hear much from Shami Chakrabarti these days. Thankfully.

The same thought crossed my mind as well yesterday.

On 05/06/2017 15:17, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Bob Martin
wrote:

"Enough is enough".
Someone should be putting some difficult questions to whoever has
been Home Secretary for the previous 7 years.

No, someone should be putting those questions to all the luvvies and
north London twerps who call "Racist" any attempt to raise or discuss
the issue of some mosques and some immams and their promotion or
terrorism.

You think those luvvies have more power/influence than the government of
the day, do you?

They didn't need to until 2 years ago - they were part of the government...

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Bob Martin
wrote:

"Enough is enough".
Someone should be putting some difficult questions to whoever has
been Home Secretary for the previous 7 years.

No, someone should be putting those questions to all the luvvies and
north London twerps who call "Racist" any attempt to raise or discuss
the issue of some mosques and some immams and their promotion or
terrorism.

You think those luvvies have more power/influence than the government of
the day, do you?

They think they do. Luvvies, of course, have the gift of the gab as
you'd expect given their profession. But verbal diarrhoea seems to
accompany that, as well as big egos, and unbelievable ignorance.
Russell Brand and Charlotte Church are good examples.

Or are you just the typical UKIP supporter who thinks all moslems are
terrorists?

You have evidence, do you, that I'm a UKIP supporter? And you've no
doubt been in touch with enough kippers and have ascertained their
views on moslems so that this is an authoritative statement on your
part?

Or are you just shooting your mouth off - again?

There you are wrong. With Dave, it's straight from the rectum.

On 05/06/2017 15:17, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Bob Martin
wrote:

"Enough is enough".
Someone should be putting some difficult questions to whoever has
been Home Secretary for the previous 7 years.

No, someone should be putting those questions to all the luvvies and
north London twerps who call "Racist" any attempt to raise or discuss
the issue of some mosques and some immams and their promotion or
terrorism.

You think those luvvies have more power/influence than the government of
the day, do you?

It does help that they have their own free to view TV channel as well
(ignoring TV license for the sake of the argument).

On 05/06/17 19:21, JoeJoe wrote:
On 05/06/2017 14:39, Richard wrote:
"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .

In article , Bob Martin
wrote:

"Enough is enough".
Someone should be putting some difficult questions to whoever has
been Home Secretary for the previous 7 years.

No, someone should be putting those questions to all the luvvies and
north London twerps who call "Racist" any attempt to raise or discuss
the issue of some mosques and some immams and their promotion or
terrorism.

+1

You don't hear much from Shami Chakrabarti these days. Thankfully.

The same thought crossed my mind as well yesterday.

Sharia chuck yer butty?

Total ****.


--
There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale
returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

Mark Twain

JoeJoe posted
Would you rather vote for the person who voted against every single
anti terrorism legislation in recent memory instead?

Yes.

A person who believed that perhaps the police should have invited the 3
nutters into the pub for a friendly chat?

That isn't the only alternative to voting against oppressive
legislation.

--
Jack

In article , Brian Gaff
writes
If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his mps do
not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much if elected.
We are in dire need of a communist party in this country.
They've taken over the Labour Party
One that actually
can work.
You're having a laugh.
However at the present we have basically a lot of rabble who seem
to have no direction in all the parties. One has to ask does it, in the end
matter at all?

Brian


--
bert

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Bob Martin wrote:
in 1595606 20170604 120422 The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 04/06/17 12:02, tim... wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his
mps do not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much
if elected.


it's only his defence and foreign policy where they disagree with him,
and he seems to have put those aspiration to bed during the election for
the greater good.

But on his economic/employment/etc policies they are much in agreement
with him, they just didn't think that they were policies that could win
an election


which is precisely why they shouldn't win an election.

Mrs Mayhem is so useless that anyone should be able to beat her
(assuming an intelligent electorate, which we ain't got)

I wasn't impressed by her 'enough is enough' speech. Her command of the
language is poor. That is the sort of thing you say about tantrums from a
toddler - you've put up with it for long enough, and won't anymore.

We should not be putting up with terrorism under any circumstances.

It is a different matter trying to understand the reasons behind that
terrorism and doing something about that too.

It seems at least one of the terrorists had been reported by more than one
person as being a dangerous fanatic. Just how much cutting police numbers,
which Ms May did as HS, was responsible for this not being acted on is
something we may never know.

Anti-terrorist numbers have been increased. This old fashioned notion of
bobbies on the beat is dead and buried.
--
bert

In article , Tim Streater
writes
In article , Bob Martin
wrote:

"Enough is enough".
Someone should be putting some difficult questions to whoever has
been Home Secretary for the previous 7 years.

No, someone should be putting those questions to all the luvvies and
north London twerps who call "Racist" any attempt to raise or discuss
the issue of some mosques and some immams and their promotion or
terrorism.

And Wikileaks the Guardian and Snowden.
--
bert

"JoeJoe" wrote in message
...
On 05/06/2017 10:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bob Martin wrote:
in 1595606 20170604 120422 The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 04/06/17 12:02, tim... wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his
mps do not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much
if elected.


it's only his defence and foreign policy where they disagree with him,
and he seems to have put those aspiration to bed during the election
for
the greater good.

But on his economic/employment/etc policies they are much in agreement
with him, they just didn't think that they were policies that could
win
an election


which is precisely why they shouldn't win an election.

Mrs Mayhem is so useless that anyone should be able to beat her
(assuming an intelligent electorate, which we ain't got)

I wasn't impressed by her 'enough is enough' speech. Her command of the
language is poor. That is the sort of thing you say about tantrums from a
toddler - you've put up with it for long enough, and won't anymore.

We should not be putting up with terrorism under any circumstances.

It is a different matter trying to understand the reasons behind that
terrorism and doing something about that too.

It seems at least one of the terrorists had been reported by more than
one
person as being a dangerous fanatic. Just how much cutting police
numbers,
which Ms May did as HS, was responsible for this not being acted on is
something we may never know.

Preventing/dealing with terrorism has nothing to do with police numbers
(although at £30 each/year according to DA then why not have more?) Even
100,000 more policemen will not stop a nutter with a kitchen knife who is
prepared to lose his life in the process...

It will if they are armed and you have enough of them so that
when a nutter trys to stab lots of people in a market etc, they
can just shoot the nutter like they did a couple of days ago.

Preventing terrorism requires, first and foremost, adequate powers for the
police, the security services and the courts.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

For example, the usual very restricted time the police are allowed to hold
suspects before being charged/released simply doesn't work with complex
instigations such as these

**** all do it when out on bail etc.

(thanks the LibDem for that). Certain human right should probably also be
removed for those convicted

They are when they end up in jail.

- find me a person in the street that believes that a foreign terrorist

Most of them arent foreigners, most are born in the country.

should be allowed to remain in this country post serving their sentence

Most do get kicked out after they have served their sentence, but thats
irrelevant with the ones that die in the process of doing their terrorism.

because sending them back to where the came from will breach their HR...

Thats only commonly seen with those who advocate
terrorism but dont actually do any themselves.

JC, last time I checked, voted against the last 17 pieces of anti
terrorism legislation proposals (as did DA).

On 05/06/17 23:33, bert wrote:
In article , Brian Gaff
writes
If Labour do win, who is going to be in his government. most of his
mps do
not agree with him and they may not want to toe the line much if elected.
We are in dire need of a communist party in this country.
They've taken over the Labour Party
One that actually
can work.
You're having a laugh.
However at the present we have basically a lot of rabble who seem
to have no direction in all the parties. One has to ask does it, in
the end
matter at all?

Brian


There are fundamentally good scientific or mathematical reasons why
centralised economies do not work as well as market economies.

To impose one on the basis its more 'fair' is precisely what Winny
Churchill had in mind when he said

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

Or as Bob Dylan put it
"(a man) who cares not to come up any higher
But rather drag you down in the hole that he's in."

That's why ISIL and Labour feel like kin. They both preach a gospel of
envy and hatred, and instead of directing their efforts to improving
themselves, direct it towards destroying people that are the object of
their hatred.

Faced with a question like 'would it be better if everybody earned £6
and hour ore some earned £6, some £10 and some £100, which would you
prefer?' 99% of lefty****s would say making everybody equally poor was
social justice, and making a few people less poor was unfair.

Labour is supported by people who cannot bring themselves to admit the
fundamental fact that they are not equal to other people. They are not
brain surgeons, rocket scientists, or concert pianists. And instead of
trying to make the best of what they are, they moan, and say they are
life's victims, and won't someone be nice to them.

But all that happens is people throw sweeties at them to shut them up.

--
"When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics."

Josef Stalin

"Huge" wrote in message ...

On 2017-06-05, JoeJoe wrote:

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Preventing terrorism requires, first and foremost, adequate powers for
the police, the security services and the courts.

Ghod forbid that you ever get into a position of power.

And your first and foremost thing would be?
Oh. I forgot, you won't see this. You are one of those *plonk* ****s who
actually believe that by ignoring the existence of something you find
uncomfortable makes it go away. Head up arse/in the sand.