The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix, thought
this might be a good time to change is for the button type. I do not
wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly the same size
it would mess the tiling.

On 06/02/2017 12:02, Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix, thought
this might be a good time to change is for the button type. I do not
wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly the same size
it would mess the tiling.

When you say that the handle is faulty, is it a problem with the handle
itself (you can buy new handles) or with the syphon which it operates.

If you want a button flush, you'll need to replace the syphon anyway
with something like this:
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Plum...h+Valve/p65429

Is it a close coupled cistern which connects directly to the back of the
pan? If so, you'll need to remove it in order to replace the innards
and, when you put it back, you'll need to replace the doughnut seal
between cistern and pan.

Easily DIY-able but allow 3 times as long as you think it ought to take!
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On 06/02/2017 12:29, Roger Mills wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:02, Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix, thought
this might be a good time to change is for the button type. I do not
wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly the same size
it would mess the tiling.

When you say that the handle is faulty, is it a problem with the handle
itself (you can buy new handles) or with the syphon which it operates.

If you want a button flush, you'll need to replace the syphon anyway
with something like this:
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Plum...h+Valve/p65429


Are you sure that one will fit? Maybe the following is better?

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p32789



Is it a close coupled cistern which connects directly to the back of the
pan? If so, you'll need to remove it in order to replace the innards
and, when you put it back, you'll need to replace the doughnut seal
between cistern and pan.

Easily DIY-able but allow 3 times as long as you think it ought to take!

On 06/02/2017 12:36, GB wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:29, Roger Mills wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:02, Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix, thought
this might be a good time to change is for the button type. I do not
wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly the same size
it would mess the tiling.

When you say that the handle is faulty, is it a problem with the handle
itself (you can buy new handles) or with the syphon which it operates.

If you want a button flush, you'll need to replace the syphon anyway
with something like this:
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Plum...h+Valve/p65429



Are you sure that one will fit? Maybe the following is better?

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p32789


Well, I've replaced two of my conventional syphon and lever arrangements
with the type I cited - and the OP did mention the possibility of a
button flush. I don't see why the lever type would fit if the button
type wouldn't - they both use the hole which the original lever used.

Depending on the size of the hole in the cistern, more or less of the
button assembly ends up inside the cistern rather than in a little bulge
on the outside.
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On 06/02/2017 13:23, Roger Mills wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:36, GB wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:29, Roger Mills wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:02, Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix, thought
this might be a good time to change is for the button type. I do not
wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly the same
size
it would mess the tiling.

When you say that the handle is faulty, is it a problem with the handle
itself (you can buy new handles) or with the syphon which it operates.

If you want a button flush, you'll need to replace the syphon anyway
with something like this:
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Plum...h+Valve/p65429




Are you sure that one will fit? Maybe the following is better?

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p32789


Well, I've replaced two of my conventional syphon and lever arrangements
with the type I cited - and the OP did mention the possibility of a
button flush. I don't see why the lever type would fit if the button
type wouldn't - they both use the hole which the original lever used.

Depending on the size of the hole in the cistern, more or less of the
button assembly ends up inside the cistern rather than in a little bulge
on the outside.


My apologies. I wasn't sure the button would fit the hole, but I should
have realised that you'd have tried the button one before recommending
it. The TS site specifically states the second one works.

On 06/02/2017 14:08, GB wrote:
On 06/02/2017 13:23, Roger Mills wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:36, GB wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:29, Roger Mills wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:02, Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix, thought
this might be a good time to change is for the button type. I do not
wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly the same
size
it would mess the tiling.

When you say that the handle is faulty, is it a problem with the handle
itself (you can buy new handles) or with the syphon which it operates.

If you want a button flush, you'll need to replace the syphon anyway
with something like this:
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Plum...h+Valve/p65429





Are you sure that one will fit? Maybe the following is better?

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p32789


Well, I've replaced two of my conventional syphon and lever arrangements
with the type I cited - and the OP did mention the possibility of a
button flush. I don't see why the lever type would fit if the button
type wouldn't - they both use the hole which the original lever used.

Depending on the size of the hole in the cistern, more or less of the
button assembly ends up inside the cistern rather than in a little bulge
on the outside.


My apologies. I wasn't sure the button would fit the hole, but I should
have realised that you'd have tried the button one before recommending
it. The TS site specifically states the second one works.

No apology needed. I didn't make it clear in my earlier post that I had
actually done it. The button type comes with a cowl which has to be used
if the button ends up outside the cistern but can be discarded if the
hole is big enough to get all but the outer flange inside. I think the
Fluidmaster fitting instructions are online if anyone wants more detail.
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On 06/02/2017 13:23, Roger Mills wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:36, GB wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:29, Roger Mills wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:02, Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix, thought
this might be a good time to change is for the button type. I do not
wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly the same
size
it would mess the tiling.

When you say that the handle is faulty, is it a problem with the handle
itself (you can buy new handles) or with the syphon which it operates.

If you want a button flush, you'll need to replace the syphon anyway
with something like this:
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Plum...h+Valve/p65429




Are you sure that one will fit? Maybe the following is better?

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p32789


Well, I've replaced two of my conventional syphon and lever arrangements
with the type I cited - and the OP did mention the possibility of a
button flush. I don't see why the lever type would fit if the button
type wouldn't - they both use the hole which the original lever used.

Depending on the size of the hole in the cistern, more or less of the
button assembly ends up inside the cistern rather than in a little bulge
on the outside.
It is the handle itself, wear on the sleeve as it enters the cistern.

On 06/02/2017 15:36, Broadback wrote:
On 06/02/2017 13:23, Roger Mills wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:36, GB wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:29, Roger Mills wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:02, Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix, thought
this might be a good time to change is for the button type. I do not
wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly the same
size
it would mess the tiling.

When you say that the handle is faulty, is it a problem with the handle
itself (you can buy new handles) or with the syphon which it operates.

If you want a button flush, you'll need to replace the syphon anyway
with something like this:
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Plum...h+Valve/p65429





Are you sure that one will fit? Maybe the following is better?

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p32789


Well, I've replaced two of my conventional syphon and lever arrangements
with the type I cited - and the OP did mention the possibility of a
button flush. I don't see why the lever type would fit if the button
type wouldn't - they both use the hole which the original lever used.

Depending on the size of the hole in the cistern, more or less of the
button assembly ends up inside the cistern rather than in a little bulge
on the outside.
It is the handle itself, wear on the sleeve as it enters the cistern.


Why not just replace the handle?

On 06/02/2017 15:36, Broadback wrote:
On 06/02/2017 13:23, Roger Mills wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:36, GB wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:29, Roger Mills wrote:
On 06/02/2017 12:02, Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix, thought
this might be a good time to change is for the button type. I do not
wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly the same
size
it would mess the tiling.

When you say that the handle is faulty, is it a problem with the handle
itself (you can buy new handles) or with the syphon which it operates.

If you want a button flush, you'll need to replace the syphon anyway
with something like this:
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Plum...h+Valve/p65429





Are you sure that one will fit? Maybe the following is better?

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p32789


Well, I've replaced two of my conventional syphon and lever arrangements
with the type I cited - and the OP did mention the possibility of a
button flush. I don't see why the lever type would fit if the button
type wouldn't - they both use the hole which the original lever used.

Depending on the size of the hole in the cistern, more or less of the
button assembly ends up inside the cistern rather than in a little bulge
on the outside.
It is the handle itself, wear on the sleeve as it enters the cistern.


Well, you can buy a new handle and sleeve assembly easily enough.

This any good? http://www.screwfix.com/p/opella-toi...rn-lever/17031
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On 06/02/2017 16:09, GB wrote:
On 06/02/2017 15:36, Broadback wrote:

It is the handle itself, wear on the sleeve as it enters the cistern.


Why not just replace the handle?


Indeed, and I've pointed him towards a potentially suitable replacement.

I rather fear that if that solution wasn't obvious to the OP, my earlier
suggestion of replacing the cistern innards may be somewhat beyond him!
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Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix, thought
this might be a good time to change is for the button type. I do not
wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly the same
size it would mess the tiling.

Push button toilets can be a pain in the arse.
Ours is 8 years old and has been nothing but a problem. It did not come
cheap.
I know others who have had trouble with them, usually water running in to
the pan or the button getting stuck.
Stick with the lever operated.

On 06/02/2017 16:45, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix, thought
this might be a good time to change is for the button type. I do not
wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly the same
size it would mess the tiling.

Push button toilets can be a pain in the arse.
Ours is 8 years old and has been nothing but a problem. It did not come
cheap.
I know others who have had trouble with them, usually water running in to
the pan or the button getting stuck.
Stick with the lever operated.



I installed our pushbutton cistern 13 years ago and have had no problems.

On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 16:56:54 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 06/02/2017 16:45, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix, thought
this might be a good time to change is for the button type. I do not
wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly the same
size it would mess the tiling.

Push button toilets can be a pain in the arse.
Ours is 8 years old and has been nothing but a problem. It did not come
cheap.
I know others who have had trouble with them, usually water running in to
the pan or the button getting stuck.
Stick with the lever operated.

I installed our pushbutton cistern 13 years ago and have had no problems.

Perhaps Mr Pounder is hamfisted?

Is it being push button anything to do with it not being a syphon? Are the two related?

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On 06/02/2017 17:00, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 16:56:54 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 06/02/2017 16:45, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix, thought
this might be a good time to change is for the button type. I do not
wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly the same
size it would mess the tiling.

Push button toilets can be a pain in the arse.
Ours is 8 years old and has been nothing but a problem. It did not come
cheap.
I know others who have had trouble with them, usually water running
in to
the pan or the button getting stuck.
Stick with the lever operated.

I installed our pushbutton cistern 13 years ago and have had no problems.

Perhaps Mr Pounder is hamfisted?

Is it being push button anything to do with it not being a syphon? Are
the two related?

No, both types activate a syphon, just use different mechanisms.

On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 17:12:18 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 06/02/2017 17:00, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 16:56:54 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 06/02/2017 16:45, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix, thought
this might be a good time to change is for the button type. I do not
wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly the same
size it would mess the tiling.

Push button toilets can be a pain in the arse.
Ours is 8 years old and has been nothing but a problem. It did not come
cheap.
I know others who have had trouble with them, usually water running
in to
the pan or the button getting stuck.
Stick with the lever operated.

I installed our pushbutton cistern 13 years ago and have had no problems.

Perhaps Mr Pounder is hamfisted?

Is it being push button anything to do with it not being a syphon? Are
the two related?

No, both types activate a syphon, just use different mechanisms.

I thought they stopped using syphons and now have a valve? A syphon has always seemed a rather convoluted way to let water out of something. They now just have a valve at the bottom activated by the button or lever, which self closes when the pressure of the cistern full of water reduces enough. **** knows why they didn't always work like this. You only need a syphon to take water higher first before exiting something. A toilet cistern can just let the water straight out of the bottom by gravity. When it's empty, the valve has less pressure on it, closes, and needs reopening by the lever.

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On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 17:19:11 -0000, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 17:12:18 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 06/02/2017 17:00, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 16:56:54 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 06/02/2017 16:45, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix, thought
this might be a good time to change is for the button type. I do not
wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly the same
size it would mess the tiling.

Push button toilets can be a pain in the arse.
Ours is 8 years old and has been nothing but a problem. It did not come
cheap.
I know others who have had trouble with them, usually water running
in to
the pan or the button getting stuck.
Stick with the lever operated.

I installed our pushbutton cistern 13 years ago and have had no problems.

Perhaps Mr Pounder is hamfisted?

Is it being push button anything to do with it not being a syphon? Are
the two related?

No, both types activate a syphon, just use different mechanisms.

I thought they stopped using syphons and now have a valve? A syphon has always seemed a rather convoluted way to let water out of something. They now just have a valve at the bottom activated by the button or lever, which self closes when the pressure of the cistern full of water reduces enough. **** knows why they didn't always work like this. You only need a syphon to take water higher first before exiting something. A toilet cistern can just let the water straight out of the bottom by gravity. When it's empty, the valve has less pressure on it, closes, and needs reopening by the lever.

http://www.greenbuildingstore.co.uk/...s-valve-flush/

Apparently it's the valve type that leaks, wasting water, which is why people like syphons.

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On 06/02/2017 17:12, Bod wrote:
On 06/02/2017 17:00, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:


Is it being push button anything to do with it not being a syphon? Are
the two related?

No, both types activate a syphon, just use different mechanisms.

They don't actually. Both examples cited today use dump valves - not
syphons and are operated by cables. The only difference is that the
cable is operated by a button on one and a lever on the other.

As far as I know, the more traditional syphon type - as first installed
in Noah's Ark - use a lever to start the syphon - either directly on the
front or end of a low level cistern or by using a chain on a high level
cistern.
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Bod wrote:
On 06/02/2017 16:45, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix,
thought this might be a good time to change is for the button type.
I do not wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly
the same size it would mess the tiling.

Push button toilets can be a pain in the arse.
Ours is 8 years old and has been nothing but a problem. It did not
come cheap.
I know others who have had trouble with them, usually water running
in to the pan or the button getting stuck.
Stick with the lever operated.



I installed our pushbutton cistern 13 years ago and have had no
problems.

Do wooden caravans really have indoor toilets?

On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 21:10:25 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Bod wrote:
On 06/02/2017 16:45, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix,
thought this might be a good time to change is for the button type.
I do not wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly
the same size it would mess the tiling.

Push button toilets can be a pain in the arse.
Ours is 8 years old and has been nothing but a problem. It did not
come cheap.
I know others who have had trouble with them, usually water running
in to the pan or the button getting stuck.
Stick with the lever operated.



I installed our pushbutton cistern 13 years ago and have had no
problems.

Do wooden caravans really have indoor toilets?

Bod lives in a detached home, you don't :-)

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James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 21:10:25 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 06/02/2017 16:45, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix,
thought this might be a good time to change is for the button
type. I do not wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was
exactly the same size it would mess the tiling.

Push button toilets can be a pain in the arse.
Ours is 8 years old and has been nothing but a problem. It did not
come cheap.
I know others who have had trouble with them, usually water running
in to the pan or the button getting stuck.
Stick with the lever operated.



I installed our pushbutton cistern 13 years ago and have had no
problems.

Do wooden caravans really have indoor toilets?

Bod lives in a detached home, you don't :-)

Shed.
Which you called grotty.

On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 21:22:30 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 06 Feb 2017 21:10:25 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire
wrote:
Bod wrote:
On 06/02/2017 16:45, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Broadback wrote:
The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix,
thought this might be a good time to change is for the button
type. I do not wish to change the actual cistern as unless it was
exactly the same size it would mess the tiling.

Push button toilets can be a pain in the arse.
Ours is 8 years old and has been nothing but a problem. It did not
come cheap.
I know others who have had trouble with them, usually water running
in to the pan or the button getting stuck.
Stick with the lever operated.



I installed our pushbutton cistern 13 years ago and have had no
problems.

Do wooden caravans really have indoor toilets?

Bod lives in a detached home, you don't :-)

Shed.
Which you called grotty.

One of your walls is actually shared with another home!

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What exactly is wrong with the handle?
I lost the interconnect with the siphon once and a bit of bent brazing rod
did the trick.
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The handle on our toilet is faulty. I cannot see an easy fix, thought this
might be a good time to change is for the button type. I do not wish to
change the actual cistern as unless it was exactly the same size it would
mess the tiling.