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On 01/02/2017 22:35, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:45:14 +0000, Max Demian wrote: On 01/02/2017 17:09, Bob Eager wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 15:31:00 +0000, tim... wrote: "Bob Eager" wrote in message ... I learned the hard way to check the pump outlet on the washing machine. I wouldn't even know how to get to the pump outlet, on my washing machine the only accessible parts are the door, the soap tray and a few buttons Quite a few machines have a little flap at the bottom front (if you're lucky). Behind that. I think they went out when zip fasteners were invented. Including my 3 year old Bosch? Is that your son? -- Max Demian |
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 22:47:39 +0000, Max Demian wrote:
On 01/02/2017 22:35, Bob Eager wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:45:14 +0000, Max Demian wrote: On 01/02/2017 17:09, Bob Eager wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 15:31:00 +0000, tim... wrote: "Bob Eager" wrote in message ... I learned the hard way to check the pump outlet on the washing machine. I wouldn't even know how to get to the pump outlet, on my washing machine the only accessible parts are the door, the soap tray and a few buttons Quite a few machines have a little flap at the bottom front (if you're lucky). Behind that. I think they went out when zip fasteners were invented. Including my 3 year old Bosch? Is that your son? Sigh. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 1 Feb 2017 22:49:35 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 22:47:39 +0000, Max Demian wrote: On 01/02/2017 22:35, Bob Eager wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:45:14 +0000, Max Demian wrote: On 01/02/2017 17:09, Bob Eager wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 15:31:00 +0000, tim... wrote: "Bob Eager" wrote in message ... I learned the hard way to check the pump outlet on the washing machine. I wouldn't even know how to get to the pump outlet, on my washing machine the only accessible parts are the door, the soap tray and a few buttons Quite a few machines have a little flap at the bottom front (if you're lucky). Behind that. I think they went out when zip fasteners were invented. Including my 3 year old Bosch? Is that your son? Sigh. He was talking about gents apparel not washing machines Bob. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 18:00:28 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:06:30 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Graham. wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 13:24:29 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote: As someone who enjoys tinkering and is a bit dissapointed if the filter in the dishwasher really didn't need cleaning, it got me wondering how the hopeless and feckless get by with their appliances. I have friends who have a cleaning lady. I must ask if they get her to do these maintenance tasks. Idle moments can be filled with cleaning the filters in the Dyson, Checking the washing machine seal for coins, checking its pump outlet, dismantling the oven to clean it, de-fluffing the tumble drier - even cleaning the Magnetic thing in the central heating and adjusting the pressure. Do people just await a breakdown - or is there a job opportunity for a Handyman? Two things that come to mind are I always empty the upright vacuum cleaner canister before use even it it is almost empty, and I always clean the fluff off the tumble dryer screen before use. I always the canister after every use, clean the fluff off the tumble dryer filter after every use. Pointless. Do you also fill your car with petrol when you've used a tenth of the tank? That's the wrong analogy. You should be asking whether I just keep enough fuel in the tank for the next journey and no more. Of course not, but there is a cost to hauling around fuel that's not needed. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 01:31:24 -0000, Graham. wrote:
On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 18:00:28 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword" wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:06:30 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: Graham. wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 13:24:29 GMT, DerbyBorn wrote: As someone who enjoys tinkering and is a bit dissapointed if the filter in the dishwasher really didn't need cleaning, it got me wondering how the hopeless and feckless get by with their appliances. I have friends who have a cleaning lady. I must ask if they get her to do these maintenance tasks. Idle moments can be filled with cleaning the filters in the Dyson, Checking the washing machine seal for coins, checking its pump outlet, dismantling the oven to clean it, de-fluffing the tumble drier - even cleaning the Magnetic thing in the central heating and adjusting the pressure. Do people just await a breakdown - or is there a job opportunity for a Handyman? Two things that come to mind are I always empty the upright vacuum cleaner canister before use even it it is almost empty, and I always clean the fluff off the tumble dryer screen before use. I always the canister after every use, clean the fluff off the tumble dryer filter after every use. Pointless. Do you also fill your car with petrol when you've used a tenth of the tank? That's the wrong analogy. You should be asking whether I just keep enough fuel in the tank for the next journey and no more. Same question, except you're considering low amounts of fuel for some strange reason. I'm comparing 90% full and 25% full. Of course not, but there is a cost to hauling around fuel that's not needed. Only the time taken to refuel unnecessarily. I refuel at 1/4 full. If I lived in the middle of nowhere and didn't get anywhere near a petrol station for ages, I'd keep it at a higher level, as do many Americans. -- Bigamy is having one wife too many. Monogamy is the same. -- Oscar Wilde |
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tim... wrote:
Yes I know (I have previously had a stand-alone washer) but if my current washer doers have such a little flap it's hidden behind the built in kitchen parts Yes, I have to remove the kicking strip to get at mine. :-( The first time I had to have a look, it was full of fluff from a new washable doormat, and it was certainly a struggle to unscrew the cover. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Plant amazing Acers. |
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En el artículo , Adrian Caspersz
escribió: The "make shirts pink" button is the thing that gets me. Why can't they label it properly? You mean a "red sock detected in white wash" indicator? -- (\_/) (='.'=) systemd: the Linux version of Windows 10 (")_(") |
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On 01/02/2017 15:28, tim... wrote:
"DerbyBorn" wrote in message 2.236... As someone who enjoys tinkering and is a bit dissapointed if the filter in the dishwasher really didn't need cleaning, it got me wondering how the hopeless and feckless get by with their appliances. I have friends who have a cleaning lady. I must ask if they get her to do these maintenance tasks. Idle moments can be filled with cleaning the filters in the Dyson, Checking the washing machine seal for coins, checking its pump outlet, dismantling the oven to clean it, de-fluffing the tumble drier - even cleaning the Magnetic thing in the central heating and adjusting the pressure. what's this "magnetic thing" in the central heating? I suspect he is referring to a filter device such as a Magnaclean or a Fernox TF1. These are installed in the primary circulation loop, close to the return before the boiler. The better ones are combined cyclonic and magnetic filters. Their purpose is to trap any particulate and magnetite before they get into the boiler, and potentially accumulate in the (very narrow on modern boilers) water pathways of the main HE. Probably of not much benefit on old cast iron lump boilers (although they will keep the system water cleaner). However recommended for systems with modern HE boilers. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 01/02/2017 16:30, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Adrian Caspersz laid this down on his screen : On 01/02/17 16:04, Harry Bloomfield wrote: tim... formulated the question : what's this "magnetic thing" in the central heating? tim I've seen magnets clipped to steel pipes on commercial heating systems. I guess the theory is they collect rusty particals as they go past. Yup. I've got a MagnaClean on our system. Keeps down the black sludge and saves the heat exchanger. http://www.adey.com/homeowners Some have other magnets/crystals/wires attached to pipes for various voodoo treatments and avoidance of dark curses. Them be mad me thinks. I'm not convinced, if the heating system is reasonably maintained. Ours is 36 years old, has had inhibiter in from new, has only been drained once in that time and was clear - then refilled complete with inhibiter. For a system of that age and type, there is probably little need. For a modern HE boiler then they are worthwhile since it takes very little sludge to block a modern HE, or a small amount of particulates will start to erode the fins on some ali HEs. When I installed my current boiler I flushed the system very carefully until it ran perfectly clear. Its always had inhibitor. If you look at the water it appears clear as well. However the filter still captures about a table spoons worth of magnetite each year. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 01/02/2017 16:51, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Adrian Caspersz wrote: On 01/02/17 16:04, Harry Bloomfield wrote: tim... formulated the question : what's this "magnetic thing" in the central heating? tim I've seen magnets clipped to steel pipes on commercial heating systems. I guess the theory is they collect rusty particals as they go past. Yup. I've got a MagnaClean on our system. Keeps down the black sludge and saves the heat exchanger. http://www.adey.com/homeowners Fernox TF1 here. yup same here... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 01/02/2017 17:08, Max Demian wrote:
On 01/02/2017 15:28, tim... wrote: "DerbyBorn" wrote in message 2.236... As someone who enjoys tinkering and is a bit dissapointed if the filter in the dishwasher really didn't need cleaning, it got me wondering how the hopeless and feckless get by with their appliances. I have friends who have a cleaning lady. I must ask if they get her to do these maintenance tasks. Idle moments can be filled with cleaning the filters in the Dyson, Checking the washing machine seal for coins, checking its pump outlet, dismantling the oven to clean it, de-fluffing the tumble drier - even cleaning the Magnetic thing in the central heating and adjusting the pressure. what's this "magnetic thing" in the central heating? Maybe something like this: http://www.jtmplumbing.co.uk/water-t...educer-pp13313 But they don't need cleaning and probably work by voodoo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_water_treatment Indeed - they don't need fitting either ;-) I think the comment was about something like: https://www.fernox.com/filters/tf1-total-filter -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 08:30:33 +0000, Chris J Dixon
wrote: tim... wrote: Yes I know (I have previously had a stand-alone washer) but if my current washer doers have such a little flap it's hidden behind the built in kitchen parts Yes, I have to remove the kicking strip to get at mine. :-( The first time I had to have a look, it was full of fluff from a new washable doormat, and it was certainly a struggle to unscrew the cover. Chris Same with my Beco. A tiny amount of lint, and an unscheduled wash for the kitchen floor. -- Graham. %Profound_observation% |
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On 02/02/2017 11:07, John Rumm wrote:
On 01/02/2017 17:08, Max Demian wrote: On 01/02/2017 15:28, tim... wrote: "DerbyBorn" wrote in message 2.236... As someone who enjoys tinkering and is a bit dissapointed if the filter in the dishwasher really didn't need cleaning, it got me wondering how the hopeless and feckless get by with their appliances. I have friends who have a cleaning lady. I must ask if they get her to do these maintenance tasks. Idle moments can be filled with cleaning the filters in the Dyson, Checking the washing machine seal for coins, checking its pump outlet, dismantling the oven to clean it, de-fluffing the tumble drier - even cleaning the Magnetic thing in the central heating and adjusting the pressure. what's this "magnetic thing" in the central heating? Maybe something like this: http://www.jtmplumbing.co.uk/water-t...educer-pp13313 But they don't need cleaning and probably work by voodoo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_water_treatment Indeed - they don't need fitting either ;-) I think the comment was about something like: https://www.fernox.com/filters/tf1-total-filter "This Corgi award-winning filter combines hydrocyclonic action with powerful Neodymium magnetic assemblies, to remove magnetic and non-magnetic contaminants from system water and contain them safely within the filter." Sounds like snake oil to me. -- Max Demian |
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On 02/02/2017 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
Well what I'd like to know is this. Why are washing machine filters right at ground level so you cannot get a tray under them when you open them and flood the floor? Why do vacuum cleaners need so many filters and why do they always seem to need cleaning every few weeks which has to be done outside due to the dust that would otherwise end up back in the air at home. If we all had filtered air in our homes would it remove the need to clean things? You're forgetting dead skin cells. (Reputedly half of all household dust.) -- Max Demian |
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On Thursday, 2 February 2017 14:41:44 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
On 02/02/2017 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote: Well what I'd like to know is this. Why are washing machine filters right at ground level so you cannot get a tray under them when you open them and flood the floor? Why do vacuum cleaners need so many filters and why do they always seem to need cleaning every few weeks which has to be done outside due to the dust that would otherwise end up back in the air at home. If we all had filtered air in our homes would it remove the need to clean things? You're forgetting dead skin cells. (Reputedly half of all household dust.) I'm told it does work quite well. A robot vac that goes round daily would probably help too. NT |
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On 01/02/17 15:00, Bob Eager wrote:
I learned the hard way to check the pump outlet on the washing machine. It eventually stopped working, and helpfully told me why. Ditto. I couldn't get the cover on the front of the pump undone without destroying it Same. Made a complete bollox of the housing while I was at it. I changed the pump. It was still a major job getting the cover off the old punmp (it involved a Dremel). I now have a serviceable spare, any way. I got completely ****ed off and bought a new washer. I love the new one so glad it happened. |
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Brian Gaff explained :
Well what I'd like to know is this. Why are washing machine filters right at ground level so you cannot get a tray under them when you open them and flood the floor? Because the pump and drain etc. are at the bottom. Lucky if the filter is even at the front with an easy access, mine is at the rear and impossible to reach unless the machine is raised off the floor. The filter housing is rubber(?) fixed to the pump via a large jubilee clip. A thin clipped tray, such as McD's serve food on can be slid under even with the machine on the floor. Why do vacuum cleaners need so many filters and why do they always seem to need cleaning every few weeks which has to be done outside due to the dust that would otherwise end up back in the air at home. If we all had filtered air in our homes would it remove the need to clean things? Dust from soft furnishings and clothes, skin and hair from occupants, dust and dirt brought in from outdoors, plus more brought in via leaks in the fabric. I do wonder if an internal air circulation system might help reduce dust, maybe with a high voltage plenum system as the filter. You only need to look around internal door frames, to see how much dust and dirt flows past them in the air. |
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But they don't need cleaning and probably work by voodoo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_water_treatment Indeed - they don't need fitting either ;-) I think the comment was about something like: https://www.fernox.com/filters/tf1-total-filter It is a Adey Magnaclean. I like to see what it has caught. |
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Brian Gaff wrote
Well what I'd like to know is this. Why are washing machine filters right at ground level Because they need to be lower than the drum. so you cannot get a tray under them when you open them and flood the floor? No big deal here, the laundry has a concrete/tiled floor. Why do vacuum cleaners need so many filters Because they end up with all the dirt and dust in them. and why do they always seem to need cleaning every few weeks Mine doesn’t. which has to be done outside due to the dust that would otherwise end up back in the air at home. Because nothing else is practical. If we all had filtered air in our homes would it remove the need to clean things? Yes, that’s what I had in the computer room at work and it didn’t need any cleaning. "DerbyBorn" wrote in message 2.236... As someone who enjoys tinkering and is a bit dissapointed if the filter in the dishwasher really didn't need cleaning, it got me wondering how the hopeless and feckless get by with their appliances. I have friends who have a cleaning lady. I must ask if they get her to do these maintenance tasks. Idle moments can be filled with cleaning the filters in the Dyson, Checking the washing machine seal for coins, checking its pump outlet, dismantling the oven to clean it, de-fluffing the tumble drier - even cleaning the Magnetic thing in the central heating and adjusting the pressure. Do people just await a breakdown - or is there a job opportunity for a Handyman? |
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DerbyBorn wrote:
As someone who enjoys tinkering and is a bit dissapointed if the filter in the dishwasher really didn't need cleaning, it got me wondering how the hopeless and feckless get by with their appliances. I have friends who have a cleaning lady. I must ask if they get her to do these maintenance tasks. Idle moments can be filled with cleaning the filters in the Dyson, Checking the washing machine seal for coins, checking its pump outlet, dismantling the oven to clean it, de-fluffing the tumble drier - even cleaning the Magnetic thing in the central heating and adjusting the pressure. Do people just await a breakdown - or is there a job opportunity for a Handyman? No job opportunities for preventive maintenance in a house. |
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 19:30:27 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
DerbyBorn wrote: As someone who enjoys tinkering and is a bit dissapointed if the filter in the dishwasher really didn't need cleaning, it got me wondering how the hopeless and feckless get by with their appliances. I have friends who have a cleaning lady. I must ask if they get her to do these maintenance tasks. Idle moments can be filled with cleaning the filters in the Dyson, Checking the washing machine seal for coins, checking its pump outlet, dismantling the oven to clean it, de-fluffing the tumble drier - even cleaning the Magnetic thing in the central heating and adjusting the pressure. Do people just await a breakdown - or is there a job opportunity for a Handyman? No job opportunities for preventive maintenance in a house. I'm sure a maid could do such things. -- A conclusion is simply the place where someone got tired of thinking. |
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James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 19:30:27 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: DerbyBorn wrote: As someone who enjoys tinkering and is a bit dissapointed if the filter in the dishwasher really didn't need cleaning, it got me wondering how the hopeless and feckless get by with their appliances. I have friends who have a cleaning lady. I must ask if they get her to do these maintenance tasks. Idle moments can be filled with cleaning the filters in the Dyson, Checking the washing machine seal for coins, checking its pump outlet, dismantling the oven to clean it, de-fluffing the tumble drier - even cleaning the Magnetic thing in the central heating and adjusting the pressure. Do people just await a breakdown - or is there a job opportunity for a Handyman? No job opportunities for preventive maintenance in a house. I'm sure a maid could do such things. Do you even know what a Magnaclean is? Thought not. |
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On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 20:13:23 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 19:30:27 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: DerbyBorn wrote: As someone who enjoys tinkering and is a bit dissapointed if the filter in the dishwasher really didn't need cleaning, it got me wondering how the hopeless and feckless get by with their appliances. I have friends who have a cleaning lady. I must ask if they get her to do these maintenance tasks. Idle moments can be filled with cleaning the filters in the Dyson, Checking the washing machine seal for coins, checking its pump outlet, dismantling the oven to clean it, de-fluffing the tumble drier - even cleaning the Magnetic thing in the central heating and adjusting the pressure. Do people just await a breakdown - or is there a job opportunity for a Handyman? No job opportunities for preventive maintenance in a house. I'm sure a maid could do such things. Do you even know what a Magnaclean is? Thought not. Something completely unnecessary. My heating system has run for about 20 years without it. -- In 1977, researchers detected a strong radio signal from space that lasted 72 seconds. It hasn't been detected since. |
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On 02/02/2017 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
If we all had filtered air in our homes would it remove the need to clean things? No. Quite a lot of dust is skin. Andy |
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On 02/02/2017 20:27, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 20:13:23 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Thu, 02 Feb 2017 19:30:27 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote: DerbyBorn wrote: As someone who enjoys tinkering and is a bit dissapointed if the filter in the dishwasher really didn't need cleaning, it got me wondering how the hopeless and feckless get by with their appliances. I have friends who have a cleaning lady. I must ask if they get her to do these maintenance tasks. Idle moments can be filled with cleaning the filters in the Dyson, Checking the washing machine seal for coins, checking its pump outlet, dismantling the oven to clean it, de-fluffing the tumble drier - even cleaning the Magnetic thing in the central heating and adjusting the pressure. Do people just await a breakdown - or is there a job opportunity for a Handyman? No job opportunities for preventive maintenance in a house. I'm sure a maid could do such things. Do you even know what a Magnaclean is? Thought not. Something completely unnecessary. My heating system has run for about 20 years without it. Agreed, I installed the CH in our last house and all that I added was Fernox inhibitor. It was still working 100% when we sold the house 25 years later. I vacuumed the boiler out only 3 times in all of that time. All I ever had to renew was the pump plus about 4 thermocouples @ about £4 each. The system needed nothing else added to it. |
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On 02/02/2017 14:39, Max Demian wrote:
On 02/02/2017 11:07, John Rumm wrote: But they don't need cleaning and probably work by voodoo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_water_treatment Indeed - they don't need fitting either ;-) I think the comment was about something like: https://www.fernox.com/filters/tf1-total-filter "This Corgi award-winning filter combines hydrocyclonic action with powerful Neodymium magnetic assemblies, to remove magnetic and non-magnetic contaminants from system water and contain them safely within the filter." Sounds like snake oil to me. You need to recalibrate your snake oil detector then... IME They work and are very effective. Search youtube - plenty of demo rigs and videos of people emptying them... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 02/02/17 15:40, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Brian Gaff explained : Well what I'd like to know is this. Why are washing machine filters right at ground level so you cannot get a tray under them when you open them and flood the floor? Because the pump and drain etc. are at the bottom. Lucky if the filter is even at the front with an easy access, mine is at the rear and impossible to reach unless the machine is raised off the floor. The filter housing is rubber(?) fixed to the pump via a large jubilee clip. A thin clipped tray, such as McD's serve food on can be slid under even with the machine on the floor. Why do vacuum cleaners need so many filters and why do they always seem to need cleaning every few weeks which has to be done outside due to the dust that would otherwise end up back in the air at home. If we all had filtered air in our homes would it remove the need to clean things? Dust from soft furnishings and clothes, skin and hair from occupants, dust and dirt brought in from outdoors, plus more brought in via leaks in the fabric. Indeed. Most 'dust' is shed skin. Not a nice thought but true. |
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2017 12:40:45 +0000, Tim Streater
wrote: Dust from soft furnishings and clothes, skin and hair from occupants, dust and dirt brought in from outdoors, plus more brought in via leaks in the fabric. Indeed. Most 'dust' is shed skin. Not a nice thought but true. Worse than that. It is skin that has passed through dust mites. Needs some Hipsters to pronounce it makes a specialty Coffee to their friends. and it will be worth harvesting. G.Harman |
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