http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38735202

Scroll down to the sub pics, it looks as though they have solar panels!

I guess they are sensor arrays of some sort, perhaps it is experimental kit.

On 24/01/2017 22:18, newshound wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38735202

Scroll down to the sub pics, it looks as though they have solar panels!

I guess they are sensor arrays of some sort, perhaps it is experimental
kit.

They look like flat panels, they wouldn't fit flat panels as it makes a
directional reflector.
I guess they are there to hide something and they aren't there when they
are actually out for real.

On 1/24/2017 10:31 PM, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/01/2017 22:18, newshound wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38735202

Scroll down to the sub pics, it looks as though they have solar panels!

I guess they are sensor arrays of some sort, perhaps it is experimental
kit.

They look like flat panels, they wouldn't fit flat panels as it makes a
directional reflector.
I guess they are there to hide something and they aren't there when they
are actually out for real.


Nice theory, I like that explanation!

On 24/01/2017 22:18, newshound wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38735202

Scroll down to the sub pics, it looks as though they have solar panels!

I guess they are sensor arrays of some sort, perhaps it is experimental
kit.

They are sensors for the 2043 active/passive search sonar system, part
of its 2054 sonar suite

They are to power the microwave ovens for the intercontinental ballistic
overcooked potatoes I'd imagine.
Brian

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38735202

Scroll down to the sub pics, it looks as though they have solar panels!

I guess they are sensor arrays of some sort, perhaps it is experimental
kit.

On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 22:18:17 +0000, newshound
wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38735202

Scroll down to the sub pics, it looks as though they have solar panels!

I guess they are sensor arrays of some sort, perhaps it is experimental kit.

Vanguard makes me think of the caboose at the back of a steam train.
Come to think of it, a nuclear sub is a steam engine.


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On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 12:42:13 PM UTC, Graham. wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2017 22:18:17 +0000, newshound
wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38735202

Scroll down to the sub pics, it looks as though they have solar panels!

I guess they are sensor arrays of some sort, perhaps it is experimental kit.

Vanguard makes me think of the caboose at the back of a steam train.
Come to think of it, a nuclear sub is a steam engine.


The previous HMS Vanguard was nicknamed 'Guard's Van', as it was the last in its line.

On 24/01/2017 22:31, dennis@home wrote:
They look like flat panels, they wouldn't fit flat panels as it makes a
directional reflector.

Ever looked at a stealth fighter?

On 26/01/2017 23:18, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 24/01/2017 22:31, dennis@home wrote:
They look like flat panels, they wouldn't fit flat panels as it makes a
directional reflector.

Ever looked at a stealth fighter?

Yes, they were limited by the design process, ever look at a stealth bomber?

Much of the stealth fighter is stuff for absorbing radar rather than
avoiding reflections. Its all rather pointless anyway as you can detect
any plane passing through a radio network, a radio network like a mobile
phone network included.

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:
On 26/01/2017 23:18, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 24/01/2017 22:31, dennis@home wrote:
They look like flat panels, they wouldn't fit flat panels as it makes
a directional reflector.

Ever looked at a stealth fighter?

Yes, they were limited by the design process, ever look at a stealth
bomber?

Much of the stealth fighter is stuff for absorbing radar rather than
avoiding reflections. Its all rather pointless anyway as you can detect
any plane passing through a radio network, a radio network like a mobile
phone network included.

It will be too late by then .......

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On 26/01/2017 23:18, Vir Campestris wrote:

Ever looked at a stealth fighter?

I might have looked at a good one and not seen it.

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On 27/01/17 17:26, charles wrote:
In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:
On 26/01/2017 23:18, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 24/01/2017 22:31, dennis@home wrote:
They look like flat panels, they wouldn't fit flat panels as it makes
a directional reflector.

Ever looked at a stealth fighter?

Yes, they were limited by the design process, ever look at a stealth
bomber?

Much of the stealth fighter is stuff for absorbing radar rather than
avoiding reflections. Its all rather pointless anyway as you can detect
any plane passing through a radio network, a radio network like a mobile
phone network included.

It will be too late by then .......

The point about hard angles is that in general they only bounce signals
back if they are coming from a single direction

Stealth fighters don't normally 'absorb' radar. They just reflect it in
unhelpful directions.


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...I'd spend it on drink.

Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End)

On 27/01/2017 17:05, dennis@home wrote:
On 26/01/2017 23:18, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 24/01/2017 22:31, dennis@home wrote:
They look like flat panels, they wouldn't fit flat panels as it makes a
directional reflector.

Ever looked at a stealth fighter?

Yes, they were limited by the design process, ever look at a stealth
bomber?

Much of the stealth fighter is stuff for absorbing radar rather than
avoiding reflections. Its all rather pointless anyway as you can detect
any plane passing through a radio network, a radio network like a mobile
phone network included.


Yes. It wasn't that division of Rockwell I worked for, but I was still
interested.

The faceted design reflects radar in odd directions. Why would flat
plates on a sub reflect sonar straight back to the sender - except in
one specific direction?

Andy

On 30/01/2017 21:39, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 27/01/2017 17:05, dennis@home wrote:
On 26/01/2017 23:18, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 24/01/2017 22:31, dennis@home wrote:
They look like flat panels, they wouldn't fit flat panels as it makes a
directional reflector.

Ever looked at a stealth fighter?

Yes, they were limited by the design process, ever look at a stealth
bomber?

Much of the stealth fighter is stuff for absorbing radar rather than
avoiding reflections. Its all rather pointless anyway as you can detect
any plane passing through a radio network, a radio network like a mobile
phone network included.


Yes. It wasn't that division of Rockwell I worked for, but I was still
interested.

The faceted design reflects radar in odd directions. Why would flat
plates on a sub reflect sonar straight back to the sender - except in
one specific direction?

Andy

There are lots of boundary layers and thermal effects in the sea that
change the direction sound travels.
Add in the fact that they can use sonar buoys and stuff like that and
you really don't want to have big reflecting surfaces.
Remember that a flat surface will reflect stuff back when the source is
at 90 degrees to the surface and the world is 3d. You can't assume the
radar/sonar is always in front of you, you can't even assume the source
and the receiver are in the same place. A sub using active sonar is a
big target, a sub picking up echoes from sonar buoys is not a target at all.
If I were in the business of sub hunting I would use active buoys to
sweep and use a sonar receiver on the sub to put all the different
return echoes together to find the target. Just like phased array radar
could. Buoys are cheap and unmanned so the enemy would have to spend a
lot of time killing them and that would make them more prone to detection.

In article . com,
dennis@home.? scribeth thus
On 26/01/2017 23:18, Vir Campestris wrote:
On 24/01/2017 22:31, dennis@home wrote:
They look like flat panels, they wouldn't fit flat panels as it makes a
directional reflector.

Ever looked at a stealth fighter?

Yes, they were limited by the design process, ever look at a stealth bomber?



Much of the stealth fighter is stuff for absorbing radar rather than
avoiding reflections. Its all rather pointless anyway as you can detect
any plane passing through a radio network, a radio network like a mobile
phone network included.


How?...
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