My new Samsung TV UE43KU6000 has no analogue sound output for my
existing hi-fi system. There seem to be a number of very similar
looking converter boxes available, of which this is one of the
cheapest:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Optical-Coaxial-Toslink-Converter/dp/B0148KYD0U/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1480669932&sr=8-3&keywords=digital+to+analogue+tv+audio+converte r

There is then rather a leap up to

https://www.amazon.co.uk/LINDY-Digital-Analogue-Stereo-Converter/dp/B002AKXG5E/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1480669932&sr=8-12&keywords=digital+to+analogue+tv+audio+converter

Does anybody have personal experience or recommendations?

Chris
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On 02/12/2016 10:32, Chris J Dixon wrote:
My new Samsung TV UE43KU6000 has no analogue sound output for my
existing hi-fi system. There seem to be a number of very similar
looking converter boxes available, of which this is one of the
cheapest:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Opt...dp/B0148KYD0U/

There is then rather a leap up to

https://www.amazon.co.uk/LINDY-Digit...dp/B002AKXG5E/

Does anybody have personal experience or recommendations?

I had the same with my most recent TV. I can't recall which model of
opto DAC I got but I did find one that could be powered directly by a
USB socket on the TV to avoid yet another wall wart syndrome.

I'd caution against the very cheapest and would have preferred mine if
it had produced true line out spec signals when compared to my existing
signal sources. The TV opto DAC is about 6dB quieter than everything
else connected to the main power amp with the one I bought. YMMV

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In article ,
Chris J Dixon wrote:

Does anybody have personal experience or recommendations?

The DAC I used for this seems to work OK.

http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/HFN/Headp...C/HeadDAC.html

Jim

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On 02/12/16 10:32, Chris J Dixon wrote:
My new Samsung TV UE43KU6000 has no analogue sound output for my
existing hi-fi system. There seem to be a number of very similar
looking converter boxes available, of which this is one of the
cheapest:


Nice TV, why not investigate the bits to do surround sound?

Lots of 5.1 dolby digital receivers on eBay, folks get rid of them
cheaply ( £50) the ones that don't have HDMI sockets.

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In article ,
Chris J Dixon wrote:
My new Samsung TV UE43KU6000 has no analogue sound output for my
existing hi-fi system. There seem to be a number of very similar
looking converter boxes available, of which this is one of the
cheapest:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Optical-Coaxial-Toslink-Converter/dp/B0148KYD0U/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1480669932&sr=8-3&keywords=digital+to+analogue+tv+audio+converte r

There is then rather a leap up to

https://www.amazon.co.uk/LINDY-Digital-Analogue-Stereo-Converter/dp/B002AKXG5E/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1480669932&sr=8-12&keywords=digital+to+analogue+tv+audio+converter

Does anybody have personal experience or recommendations?


I first used a pro unit I had lying around - had inputs for all the common
digital standards and balanced and unbalanced outputs. Snag with that -
other than its size - was it booted up to the AES input, so had to be
toggled to Toslink, or left powered up all the time. It also had a nasty
AC wall wart which induced hum on the record player/

I bought an el cheapo off Ebay - looked the same as the cheaper one you've
listed. Well under a tenner. Can't really say it sounded any different.
Except the analogue output from it was very low - compared to every other
source to my Hi-Fi. I think you'll find both of those you've listed are
the same in that way. Of course that may not matter to you.

I was going to build it in to a unit with adjustable gain.

Then decided I might as well use the posh mini-disc I have in the system -
not much used as such, but has a Toslink input with adjustable gain.

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In article ,
Chris J Dixon wrote:
My new Samsung TV UE43KU6000 has no analogue sound output for my
existing hi-fi system. There seem to be a number of very similar
looking converter boxes available, of which this is one of the
cheapest:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Opt...onverter/dp/B0
148KYD0U/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1480669932&sr=8-3&keywords=digital+to+analo

gue+tv+audio+converter

There is then rather a leap up to

https://www.amazon.co.uk/LINDY-Digit...verter/dp/B002

AKXG5E/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1480669932&sr=8-12&keywords=digital+to+analo

gue+tv+audio+converter

Does anybody have personal experience or recommendations?

The cheap one is likely to be made in a secondary factory in China with
minimal quality control from components which are either classed as
seconds or recycled. You may get a very good one but you are just as
likely to get a poor one. There is no power supply with the cheap product.

The quality control of the Lindy product will be much more consistent as
they need to protect their reputation and have had good reviews in the
HiFi press despite being relatively cheap. (Richer Sounds do a similar
product - the CYP AUD3-192)

Some years ago when I got a Samsung monitor TV I was going to get that
Lindy DAC but realised that I'd also find use for one that also allowed
digital audio via USB and a headphone output with volume control so looked
at the more expensive Lindy one:

http://www.whathifi.com/lindy/20376/overview

However I found that Maplin did the same product without the Lindy
branding at a lower price - they still do it (although the price is quite
a bit more than I paid):

http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/digital-to...FcE_GwodzeEPJw

It's worked faultlessly and the sound is good.

Alan

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In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
I'd caution against the very cheapest and would have preferred mine if
it had produced true line out spec signals when compared to my existing
signal sources. The TV opto DAC is about 6dB quieter than everything
else connected to the main power amp with the one I bought. YMMV

My guess is that might be difficult with a 5 volt supply.

TV sound generally sticks to the EBU standard of never peaking above -10
dBFS. Just have a listen to commercial radio via FreeView to see what it
can peak to on that system.

If the output is such that it is clean at 0dBFS, it might well not handle
peaks with an additional 10dB of gain - which it would need to match other
sources, when just used with ordinary TV broadcast sound.

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In article ,
Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 02/12/16 10:32, Chris J Dixon wrote:
My new Samsung TV UE43KU6000 has no analogue sound output for my
existing hi-fi system. There seem to be a number of very similar
looking converter boxes available, of which this is one of the
cheapest:


Nice TV, why not investigate the bits to do surround sound?

Because it's a five minute wonder - like 3D? ;-)

Lots of 5.1 dolby digital receivers on eBay, folks get rid of them
cheaply ( £50) the ones that don't have HDMI sockets.

Or more likely because they don't use the surround side.

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On Fri, 02 Dec 2016 10:32:12 +0000, Chris J Dixon
wrote:

My new Samsung TV UE43KU6000 has no analogue sound output for my
existing hi-fi system. There seem to be a number of very similar
looking converter boxes available, of which this is one of the
cheapest:


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Opt...-Converter/dp/
B0148KYD0U/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1480669932&sr=8-3&keywords=digital+to
+analogue+tv+audio+converter

There is then rather a leap up to


https://www.amazon.co.uk/LINDY-Digit...onverter/dp/B0
02AKXG5E/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1480669932&sr=8-12&keywords=digital+to
+analogue+tv+audio+converter

Does anybody have personal experience or recommendations?

I'd solder wires to the speaker terminals. Sod digital.

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On 02/12/16 14:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Nice TV, why not investigate the bits to do surround sound?

Because it's a five minute wonder - like 3D? ;-)

Nah, OK, some films do have terrible surround soundtracks, but some are
outstanding. Depends if it's a television or a home cinema interest. The
size of that screen to me is crying out for the latter, but each to
their own

Lots of 5.1 dolby digital receivers on eBay, folks get rid of them
cheaply ( £50) the ones that don't have HDMI sockets.

Or more likely because they don't use the surround side.

Training vs. Benefits.

Following the instruction book is a block to many, these things are complex!

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Does it have an earphone socket?
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My new Samsung TV UE43KU6000 has no analogue sound output for my
existing hi-fi system. There seem to be a number of very similar
looking converter boxes available, of which this is one of the
cheapest:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Digital-Optical-Coaxial-Toslink-Converter/dp/B0148KYD0U/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1480669932&sr=8-3&keywords=digital+to+analogue+tv+audio+converte r

There is then rather a leap up to

https://www.amazon.co.uk/LINDY-Digital-Analogue-Stereo-Converter/dp/B002AKXG5E/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1480669932&sr=8-12&keywords=digital+to+analogue+tv+audio+converter

Does anybody have personal experience or recommendations?

Chris
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In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Does it have an earphone socket?

It may well have. But frequently the cable will then show - not something
you want for a permanent installation. And the quality may not be as good
either.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Does it have an earphone socket?

It may well have. But frequently the cable will then show - not something
you want for a permanent installation. And the quality may not be as good
either.

No headphone socket, I might have tried it otherwise.

Chris
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Plant amazing Acers.

In article , Chris J Dixon
scribeth thus
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Does it have an earphone socket?

It may well have. But frequently the cable will then show - not something
you want for a permanent installation. And the quality may not be as good
either.

No headphone socket, I might have tried it otherwise.

Chris

You wouldn't want to tap of the speakers like someone's suggested the
Earth on the TV chassis is anything but. Optical link does provide
excellent isolation..
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On 02/12/16 20:52, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Chris J Dixon
scribeth thus
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Does it have an earphone socket?

It may well have. But frequently the cable will then show - not something
you want for a permanent installation. And the quality may not be as good
either.

No headphone socket, I might have tried it otherwise.

Chris

You wouldn't want to tap of the speakers like someone's suggested the
Earth on the TV chassis is anything but. Optical link does provide
excellent isolation..

I've done it from headphone sockets NP. Earth IS earth pretty much on a
modern set..

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In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Chris J Dixon
scribeth thus
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Does it have an earphone socket?

It may well have. But frequently the cable will then show - not something
you want for a permanent installation. And the quality may not be as good
either.

No headphone socket, I might have tried it otherwise.

Chris

You wouldn't want to tap of the speakers like someone's suggested the
Earth on the TV chassis is anything but. Optical link does provide
excellent isolation..

If only someone did a Toslink adaptor with some makeup gain.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
Brian wrote:
Does it have an earphone socket?

It may well have. But frequently the cable will then show - not something
you want for a permanent installation. And the quality may not be as good
either.


The problem I found was the need for another volume control.

On 03/12/16 00:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You wouldn't want to tap of the speakers like someone's suggested the
Earth on the TV chassis is anything but. Optical link does provide
excellent isolation..

If only someone did a Toslink adaptor with some makeup gain.


Agreed. A switch to change the DAC reference voltage, would be a good
addition.

If DIY, would be trivial for a one off, just find a data sheet for the chip?

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In article , Adrian Caspersz
wrote:
On 03/12/16 00:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You wouldn't want to tap of the speakers like someone's suggested the
Earth on the TV chassis is anything but. Optical link does provide
excellent isolation..

If only someone did a Toslink adaptor with some makeup gain.


Agreed. A switch to change the DAC reference voltage, would be a good
addition.

If DIY, would be trivial for a one off, just find a data sheet for the
chip?

FWIW I just used a cheap Velleman/CPC kit for gain and modified it to suit.
Easier and quicker then from scratch.

http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/HFN/HeadDAC2/HeadDAC2.html

But if you only need variable attenuation, then a pot or some resistors
would do.

Jim

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In article ,
Capitol wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
Brian wrote:
Does it have an earphone socket?

It may well have. But frequently the cable will then show - not
something you want for a permanent installation. And the quality may
not be as good either.


The problem I found was the need for another volume control.

I've found the Sennheiser Headphone stereo volume control effective
particulalry if one ear is less sensitive than the other.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-.../dp/B000H0K8VY

Alan

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In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Adrian Caspersz
wrote:
On 03/12/16 00:54, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You wouldn't want to tap of the speakers like someone's suggested
the Earth on the TV chassis is anything but. Optical link does
provide excellent isolation..

If only someone did a Toslink adaptor with some makeup gain.


Agreed. A switch to change the DAC reference voltage, would be a good
addition.

If DIY, would be trivial for a one off, just find a data sheet for the
chip?

FWIW I just used a cheap Velleman/CPC kit for gain and modified it to
suit. Easier and quicker then from scratch.

http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/HFN/HeadDAC2/HeadDAC2.html

But if you only need variable attenuation, then a pot or some resistors
would do.

My Panny TV does allow some level adjustment of the digital output. Just
not enough.

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In article ,
Alan Dawes wrote:
In article ,
Capitol wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In ,
Brian wrote:
Does it have an earphone socket?

It may well have. But frequently the cable will then show - not
something you want for a permanent installation. And the quality may
not be as good either.


The problem I found was the need for another volume control.

I've found the Sennheiser Headphone stereo volume control effective
particulalry if one ear is less sensitive than the other.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-.../dp/B000H0K8VY

Alan

Some sets have a totally independant control of the headphone volume
setting. Makes sense if you have a deaf member of the family who finds
things better with headphones, while the rest use the speakers.

But can be difficult to find out from the specs the shops publish.

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On 03/12/2016 13:02, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:

But if you only need variable attenuation, then a pot or some resistors
would do.

My Panny TV does allow some level adjustment of the digital output. Just
not enough.

Does it? I haven't found a digital IO tweak on my Panasonic.
Down which maze of twisty little passages all alike is it hidden?

I have a feeling it is a limitation of running off a 5v USB supply and
using cheap low distortion opamps that won't swing rail to rail.

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In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
On 03/12/2016 13:02, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:

But if you only need variable attenuation, then a pot or some
resistors would do.

My Panny TV does allow some level adjustment of the digital output.
Just not enough.

Does it? I haven't found a digital IO tweak on my Panasonic. Down which
maze of twisty little passages all alike is it hidden?

My set is a couple of years old. I'll get the model number if you wish.
The setting is in the sound section of the menu. I have the internal
speakers turned off. It might be the digital output level setting only
'lights up' in that mode.

I have a feeling it is a limitation of running off a 5v USB supply and
using cheap low distortion opamps that won't swing rail to rail.

As I said, it could be more a function of UK TV not peaking to 0dBFS.
Other countries (where such things are made) may well do.

Many radio stations via my TV do pretty well match the output of other
sources to my amp. Only really TV that's low. And even more so on some of
the repeat channels I'm 'forced' to watch, not being a 'Strictly bake off
celebrity - get me out of here' fan.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
The problem I found was the need for another volume control.

I've found the Sennheiser Headphone stereo volume control effective
particulalry if one ear is less sensitive than the other.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sennheiser-.../dp/B000H0K8VY

Alan

Some sets have a totally independant control of the headphone volume
setting. Makes sense if you have a deaf member of the family who finds
things better with headphones, while the rest use the speakers.

One of the reasons why I chose the DAC I mentioned in my post yesterday as
it has an independant headphone output with volume control.
If you didn't see it here is an extract:

Some years ago when I got a Samsung monitor TV I was going to get that
Lindy DAC but realised that I'd also find use for one that also allowed
digital audio via USB and a headphone output with volume control so looked
at the more expensive Lindy one:

http://www.whathifi.com/lindy/20376/overview

However I found that Maplin did the same product without the Lindy
branding at a lower price - they still do it (although the price is quite
a bit more than I paid):

http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/digital-to...FcE_GwodzeEPJw

Alan

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En el artículo , tony sayer
escribió:

You wouldn't want to tap of the speakers like someone's suggested the
Earth on the TV chassis is anything but

I think we've moved on somewhat from live chassis connected to one side
of the mains

. Optical link does provide
excellent isolation

agreed

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In article , Mike Tomlinson
scribeth thus
En el artículo , tony sayer
escribió:

You wouldn't want to tap of the speakers like someone's suggested the
Earth on the TV chassis is anything but

I think we've moved on somewhat from live chassis connected to one side
of the mains

No its not that time when it was!, there are varieties of SMPS and the
like powering TV's these days and the "chassis" well what their is of it
are generally un-earthed. Ever seen a TV recently with a 3 core mains
lead?..


. Optical link does provide
excellent isolation

agreed


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In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Mike Tomlinson
scribeth thus
En el artículo , tony sayer
escribió:

You wouldn't want to tap of the speakers like someone's suggested the
Earth on the TV chassis is anything but

I think we've moved on somewhat from live chassis connected to one side
of the mains

No its not that time when it was!, there are varieties of SMPS and the
like powering TV's these days and the "chassis" well what their is of it
are generally un-earthed. Ever seen a TV recently with a 3 core mains
lead?..

You can access the chassis ground on most modern TVs via a signal ground.
It would be very stupid to ground a TV chassis just for the sake of it.
Just asking for a ground loop somewhere.

BTW, in the days of live chassis TVs, the speaker output might well be
isolated, as it was via an output transformer. Being usually valve.

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En el artículo , tony sayer
escribió:

No its not that time when it was!



, there are varieties of SMPS and the
like powering TV's these days and the "chassis" well what their is of it
are generally un-earthed.

Yes. Floating earths, and chassis lifted to a nice tingle by the class
X caps in the PSU. Niiiice.

Ever seen a TV recently with a 3 core mains
lead?..

My brand new 55" LG TV has one, with the 3-pin cloverleaf (C5/C6)
connector.

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In article ,
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , tony sayer
escribió:

No its not that time when it was!



, there are varieties of SMPS and the
like powering TV's these days and the "chassis" well what their is of it
are generally un-earthed.

Yes. Floating earths, and chassis lifted to a nice tingle by the class
X caps in the PSU. Niiiice.

Ever seen a TV recently with a 3 core mains
lead?..

My brand new 55" LG TV has one, with the 3-pin cloverleaf (C5/C6)
connector.

Be interesting connecting that to the outside world...

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On 03/12/2016 16:45, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Martin Brown wrote:
On 03/12/2016 13:02, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:

But if you only need variable attenuation, then a pot or some
resistors would do.

My Panny TV does allow some level adjustment of the digital output.
Just not enough.

Does it? I haven't found a digital IO tweak on my Panasonic. Down which
maze of twisty little passages all alike is it hidden?

My set is a couple of years old. I'll get the model number if you wish.
The setting is in the sound section of the menu. I have the internal
speakers turned off. It might be the digital output level setting only
'lights up' in that mode.

Mine is a TX47LW50B or something like that - hard to read peering over
and down the back. No obvious "speakers off" setting just 0 volume.

There is a total volume adjust but it appears to do nothing to the
digital output only tweaks the in set speaker volume maximum.

I have a feeling it is a limitation of running off a 5v USB supply and
using cheap low distortion opamps that won't swing rail to rail.

As I said, it could be more a function of UK TV not peaking to 0dBFS.
Other countries (where such things are made) may well do.

Many radio stations via my TV do pretty well match the output of other
sources to my amp. Only really TV that's low. And even more so on some of
the repeat channels I'm 'forced' to watch, not being a 'Strictly bake off
celebrity - get me out of here' fan.

Inflict "Robot Wars" on them!

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