Okay, if soft water is widely considered to be a significant cause of heart
disease, what's the simplest way of hardening a supply of drinking water in
a domestic situation where the supply is naturally very soft?

Tim

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I thought it was only artificially softened water that some consider
unhealthy.

On 30/11/16 22:09, Bert Coules wrote:
I thought it was only artificially softened water that some consider
unhealthy.

The theory is that an excess of sodium ions (as opposed to calcium ones)
in artificially softened water is as had as eating a packet of crisps
every hour, although the amount of sodium in a pint of softened water is
about the same as in one crisp, never mind the whole packet.

i.e. there are three sorts of water:
Naturally soft = no carbonates.
Hard = calcium carbonates.
Softened = sodium carbonates.

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On 01/12/2016 14:06, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 30/11/16 22:09, Bert Coules wrote:
I thought it was only artificially softened water that some consider
unhealthy.

The theory is that an excess of sodium ions (as opposed to calcium ones)
in artificially softened water is as had as eating a packet of crisps
every hour, although the amount of sodium in a pint of softened water is
about the same as in one crisp, never mind the whole packet.

i.e. there are three sorts of water:
Naturally soft = no carbonates.
Hard = calcium carbonates.
Softened = sodium carbonates.


I have a fourth:

softened using a reverse osmosis filter and then through ion exchange resin.

Nowt in it.

"Huge" wrote:

And what is "naturally softened" water?

There is, I presume, no such thing. But there is naturally soft water.

On 01/12/2016 09:39, Huge wrote:
On 2016-12-01, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Huge
wrote:

On 2016-11-30, Bert Coules wrote:
"Huge" wrote:

And what is "naturally softened" water?

There is, I presume, no such thing. But there is naturally soft water.

Precisely.

Is the issue that water that has been softened by an ion exchanger
tends to have more sodium in it, whereas naturally soft water doesn't?

Yep.

http://www.ukwaterservices.com/drinking-softened-water


It is generally accepted that hard water is better for you and contains
magnesium and other minerals etc:

BBC NEWS | Health | Hard water 'stops heart attacks'
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3396141.stm
15 Jan 2004 - Drinking hard water may protect against heart disease,
researchers have claimed. ... Your news when you want it ... They found
for every unit increase in water hardness, there was a 1% decrease in
the risk of having a further ...

On Wednesday, 30 November 2016 22:06:10 UTC, Tim+ wrote:
Okay, if soft water is widely considered to be a significant cause of heart
disease, what's the simplest way of hardening a supply of drinking water in
a domestic situation where the supply is naturally very soft?


https://www.sanpellegrino.com/uk/en

Simon Mason wrote
Tim+ wrote

Okay, if soft water is widely considered to be a significant cause of
heart
disease, what's the simplest way of hardening a supply of drinking water
in
a domestic situation where the supply is naturally very soft?

https://www.sanpellegrino.com/uk/en

Stupid waste of money. There isnt a shred of evidence that there
is any medical problem with naturally very soft water, most obviously
with water that is collected from the roof of your own house etc.

On Thursday, 1 December 2016 07:00:20 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Simon Mason wrote
Tim+ wrote

Okay, if soft water is widely considered to be a significant cause of
heart
disease, what's the simplest way of hardening a supply of drinking water
in
a domestic situation where the supply is naturally very soft?

https://www.sanpellegrino.com/uk/en

Stupid waste of money. There isnt a shred of evidence that there
is any medical problem with naturally very soft water, most obviously
with water that is collected from the roof of your own house etc.

We drank this on our holidays though - cheap at the gas stations.

http://www.donatmg.eu/en

On 01/12/2016 07:32, Simon Mason wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 07:00:20 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Simon Mason wrote
Tim+ wrote

Okay, if soft water is widely considered to be a significant cause of
heart
disease, what's the simplest way of hardening a supply of drinking water
in
a domestic situation where the supply is naturally very soft?

https://www.sanpellegrino.com/uk/en

Stupid waste of money. There isnt a shred of evidence that there
is any medical problem with naturally very soft water, most obviously
with water that is collected from the roof of your own house etc.

We drank this on our holidays though - cheap at the gas stations.

http://www.donatmg.eu/en

What a waste of money. The BBC did a blind test of several well known
bottled water brands and the favourite taste was from a bottle of plain
old tap water.

On 01/12/2016 07:38, Bod wrote:
On 01/12/2016 07:32, Simon Mason wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 07:00:20 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Simon Mason wrote
Tim+ wrote

Okay, if soft water is widely considered to be a significant cause of
heart
disease, what's the simplest way of hardening a supply of drinking
water
in
a domestic situation where the supply is naturally very soft?

https://www.sanpellegrino.com/uk/en

Stupid waste of money. There isnt a shred of evidence that there
is any medical problem with naturally very soft water, most obviously
with water that is collected from the roof of your own house etc.

We drank this on our holidays though - cheap at the gas stations.

http://www.donatmg.eu/en

What a waste of money. The BBC did a blind test of several well known
bottled water brands and the favourite taste was from a bottle of plain
old tap water.

"Most people are surprised to learn that theyre drinking glorified tap
water, but bottlers arent required to list the source on the label".

http://www.rd.com/health/diet-weight...hat-you-drink/

On Thursday, 1 December 2016 07:39:00 UTC, Bod wrote:

We drank this on our holidays though - cheap at the gas stations.

http://www.donatmg.eu/en

What a waste of money. The BBC did a blind test of several well known
bottled water brands and the favourite taste was from a bottle of plain
old tap water.

This actually tasted like weak Milk of Magnesia as it had that much Maggy in it.

On 01/12/2016 07:38, Bod wrote:
On 01/12/2016 07:32, Simon Mason wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 07:00:20 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Simon Mason wrote
Tim+ wrote

Okay, if soft water is widely considered to be a significant cause of
heart
disease, what's the simplest way of hardening a supply of drinking
water
in
a domestic situation where the supply is naturally very soft?

https://www.sanpellegrino.com/uk/en

Stupid waste of money. There isnt a shred of evidence that there
is any medical problem with naturally very soft water, most obviously
with water that is collected from the roof of your own house etc.

We drank this on our holidays though - cheap at the gas stations.

http://www.donatmg.eu/en

What a waste of money. The BBC did a blind test of several well known
bottled water brands and the favourite taste was from a bottle of plain
old tap water.


But look at all the extra bacteria you can get in bottled water, it must
do you good.

Simon Mason wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Simon Mason wrote
Tim+ wrote

Okay, if soft water is widely considered to be a significant
cause of heart disease, what's the simplest way of hardening
a supply of drinking water in a domestic situation where the
supply is naturally very soft?

https://www.sanpellegrino.com/uk/en

Stupid waste of money. There isnt a shred of evidence that there
is any medical problem with naturally very soft water, most obviously
with water that is collected from the roof of your own house etc.

We drank this on our holidays though - cheap at the gas stations.

Much cheaper to use tap water.

http://www.donatmg.eu/en

On Thursday, 1 December 2016 08:18:10 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Simon Mason wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Simon Mason wrote
Tim+ wrote

Okay, if soft water is widely considered to be a significant
cause of heart disease, what's the simplest way of hardening
a supply of drinking water in a domestic situation where the
supply is naturally very soft?

https://www.sanpellegrino.com/uk/en

Stupid waste of money. There isnt a shred of evidence that there
is any medical problem with naturally very soft water, most obviously
with water that is collected from the roof of your own house etc.

We drank this on our holidays though - cheap at the gas stations.

Much cheaper to use tap water.

http://www.donatmg.eu/en

MINE IS DEVOID OF MINERALS THOUGH.

On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 7:32:53 AM UTC, Simon Mason wrote:
On Thursday, 1 December 2016 07:00:20 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
Simon Mason wrote
Tim+ wrote

Okay, if soft water is widely considered to be a significant cause of
heart
disease, what's the simplest way of hardening a supply of drinking water
in
a domestic situation where the supply is naturally very soft?

https://www.sanpellegrino.com/uk/en

Stupid waste of money. There isnt a shred of evidence that there
is any medical problem with naturally very soft water, most obviously
with water that is collected from the roof of your own house etc.

We drank this on our holidays though - cheap at the gas stations.

http://www.donatmg.eu/en


trivial remark:
Interesting that on their advert they show the time line from right to left. That's usually only done in countries whey write from right to left (Arabic, Hebrew for example).

Robert

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 22:04:51 -0000 (UTC), Tim+ wrote:

Okay, if soft water is widely considered to be a significant cause of heart
disease, what's the simplest way of hardening a supply of drinking water in
a domestic situation where the supply is naturally very soft?

Tim

Add minerals!

As this is DIY: There is a "mineral water calculator".

One makes mineral solutions, using (checks): Plaster of Paris, Epsom salt,
Chalk, Baking soda, Table salt, Milk of magnesia, Slaked lime.

Then enter the analysis of your tap water in a spreadsheet, available form your
water supplier in many cases. Then select, for example, a precocious mineral
water from the lower Himalayas rich in salty tones, and the spreadsheet tells
you how much of what to add (or if your tap water already contains too much of a
mineral to get there from here).

Carbonation is an extra step.

Article, link to spreadsheet near the bottom:
http://blog.khymos.org/2012/01/04/mineral-waters-a-la-carte/

Alternatively, usenet participants can scape the kettle fur from their kettles,
water heaters, and bathroom tiles, and mail it to less fortunate
participants.... (This may require some carbonic acid to dissolve the minerals.)



Thomas Prufer

Well the Thames Water people have this figured out. They store the water in
a gigantic concrete pipe that goes around |London and all the cement
dissolves into the water...:-)
I'm not too sure whether I believe that soft water is a problem in of
itself myself. We have after all had variably hard or soft water for as long
as the human has been around.
Brian

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Okay, if soft water is widely considered to be a significant cause of
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