On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 08:36:58 +0000, charles wrote:

In article ,
Chris wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:55:47 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

It's the main big ones with national reach that are inevitable
targets for total corruption and being taken over by professional
charity milkers.

And the biggest crooks of the lot: the Charities Aid Foundation.

please explain your reasoning. They provide a good banking service.

They have a banking licence??? The mind boggles.

My brother-in-law heads-up a steering committee for an organisation
that's been compiling a stack of evidence detailing all sorts of
"malpractice" going back over way more than a decade at this stage. It's
the next BIG charity $candal and you'll no doubt read *all* about it some
time next year...

On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 06:17:22 +0000, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

starve the *******s

It should at least be tapered off so the more kids you have that you
can't afford to bring up, the financial incentive to do so markedly
diminishes.

On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 01:23:49 -0800, harry wrote:

Not only this but "foreign aid" which often seems to be misspent/stolen.
Including via the EUSSR.

It would be sensible to cap foreign aid to say
0.00000000000000000000000000000000001% of GDP.

Chris brought next idea :
My brother-in-law heads-up a steering committee for an organisation
that's been compiling a stack of evidence detailing all sorts of
"malpractice" going back over way more than a decade at this stage. It's
the next BIG charity $candal and you'll no doubt read *all* about it some
time next year...

Can't wait!

On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:31:48 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/11/2016 08:13, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Capitol" wrote in message
o.uk...
Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging adverts
on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me over 2K
pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the advert and screen
it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I have a couple of
charities I support each year, and they don't spend a penny on TV. What do
others think?

most charities are just a money making fiddles and jobs for those who run
them...peanuts go to the needy .....


Chidren in need is the only charity that I donate to, simply because
*all* of the dosh goes to help the kiddies.
Oh and the once a year Poppy.

The war ended ages ago.

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In article , James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:31:48 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/11/2016 08:13, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Capitol" wrote in message
o.uk...
Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging
adverts on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me
over 2K pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the
advert and screen it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I
have a couple of charities I support each year, and they don't spend
a penny on TV. What do others think?

most charities are just a money making fiddles and jobs for those who
run them...peanuts go to the needy .....


Chidren in need is the only charity that I donate to, simply because
*all* of the dosh goes to help the kiddies. Oh and the once a year
Poppy.

The war ended ages ago.

but the lives of those who fought have not.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On 24/11/16 08:01, charles wrote:
In article , James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:31:48 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/11/2016 08:13, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Capitol" wrote in message
o.uk...
Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging
adverts on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me
over 2K pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the
advert and screen it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I
have a couple of charities I support each year, and they don't spend
a penny on TV. What do others think?

most charities are just a money making fiddles and jobs for those who
run them...peanuts go to the needy .....


Chidren in need is the only charity that I donate to, simply because
*all* of the dosh goes to help the kiddies. Oh and the once a year
Poppy.

The war ended ages ago.

but the lives of those who fought have not.

A lot of them have sadly...


--
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the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

On 23/11/2016 23:01, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:31:48 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/11/2016 08:13, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Capitol" wrote in message
o.uk...
Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging
adverts
on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me over 2K
pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the advert and
screen
it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I have a couple of
charities I support each year, and they don't spend a penny on TV.
What do
others think?

most charities are just a money making fiddles and jobs for those who
run
them...peanuts go to the needy .....


Chidren in need is the only charity that I donate to, simply because
*all* of the dosh goes to help the kiddies.
Oh and the once a year Poppy.

The war ended ages ago.

Many severely injured war veterans are still alive and need looking
after. That costs money.

On 20/11/2016 21:10, Capitol wrote:
Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging
adverts on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me
over 2K pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the advert
and screen it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I have a
couple of charities I support each year, and they don't spend a penny on
TV. What do others think?

You only have to look at large fleet of very expensive vehicles use by
Oxfam and the like to realise they have to keep asking for your money to
fund these.

On Thursday, 24 November 2016 12:08:58 UTC, rick wrote:
On 20/11/2016 21:10, Capitol wrote:
Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging
adverts on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me
over 2K pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the advert
and screen it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I have a
couple of charities I support each year, and they don't spend a penny on
TV. What do others think?

You only have to look at large fleet of very expensive vehicles use by
Oxfam and the like to realise they have to keep asking for your money to
fund these.

Next you'll moan about the cost of all the shops they run.


NT

On 11/21/2016 9:50 AM, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
alan_m writes:
It's the same with most charities. They outsource a lot of fund raising
to third parties who may only return a few percent of the money raised
to the charity. I doubt if of little the money raised by street
chuggers, cold calling doorstep saleman or tin rattlers outside of
supermarkets/sheds goes to the charities they claim to represent.

If you want to give to charity, do so by standing order directly to
their account, and not in response to chuggers, who will often take
all of the first year's contribution as their fee.


+1

I have a blacklist of what I regard as "good" charities that I no longer
donate to because they have cold called me. I always make the point of
telling such cold callers about my blacklist. Perhaps I should start a
campaign to encourage everyone to do this.

And I regard chuggers as the spawn of satan.

On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 08:01:55 -0000, charles wrote:

In article , James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:31:48 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/11/2016 08:13, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Capitol" wrote in message
o.uk...
Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging
adverts on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me
over 2K pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the
advert and screen it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I
have a couple of charities I support each year, and they don't spend
a penny on TV. What do others think?

most charities are just a money making fiddles and jobs for those who
run them...peanuts go to the needy .....


Chidren in need is the only charity that I donate to, simply because
*all* of the dosh goes to help the kiddies. Oh and the once a year
Poppy.

The war ended ages ago.

but the lives of those who fought have not.

Actually most have.

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/
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On Thu, 24 Nov 2016 10:28:54 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 23/11/2016 23:01, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:31:48 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/11/2016 08:13, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Capitol" wrote in message
o.uk...
Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging
adverts
on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me over 2K
pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the advert and
screen
it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I have a couple of
charities I support each year, and they don't spend a penny on TV.
What do
others think?

most charities are just a money making fiddles and jobs for those who
run
them...peanuts go to the needy .....


Chidren in need is the only charity that I donate to, simply because
*all* of the dosh goes to help the kiddies.
Oh and the once a year Poppy.

The war ended ages ago.

Many severely injured war veterans are still alive and need looking
after. That costs money.

We have an NHS. Why do they need more than anyone else?

--
My wife and I went to a hotel where we got a waterbed. My wife calls it the Dead Sea .

In article ,
Bod wrote:
Chidren in need is the only charity that I donate to, simply because
*all* of the dosh goes to help the kiddies.
Oh and the once a year Poppy.

The war ended ages ago.

Many severely injured war veterans are still alive and need looking
after. That costs money.

And do you really believe that should be left to a charity?

--
*The statement above is false

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bod wrote:
Chidren in need is the only charity that I donate to, simply because
*all* of the dosh goes to help the kiddies.
Oh and the once a year Poppy.

The war ended ages ago.

Many severely injured war veterans are still alive and need looking
after. That costs money.

And do you really believe that should be left to a charity?

No, but since the state won't, somebody has to.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

In article ,
charles wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bod wrote:
Chidren in need is the only charity that I donate to, simply because
*all* of the dosh goes to help the kiddies.
Oh and the once a year Poppy.

The war ended ages ago.

Many severely injured war veterans are still alive and need looking
after. That costs money.

And do you really believe that should be left to a charity?

No, but since the state won't, somebody has to.

Yup. Which is why the annual performance at the Cenotaph makes me so
uneasy. Goverment dignitaries remembering those 'who gave their lives for
us' while doing their best to ignore those who were merely maimed, but
live on.

--
Is the hardness of the butter proportional to the softness of the bread?*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"rick" wrote in message
news
On 20/11/2016 21:10, Capitol wrote:
Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging
adverts on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me
over 2K pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the advert
and screen it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I have a
couple of charities I support each year, and they don't spend a penny on
TV. What do others think?

You only have to look at large fleet of very expensive vehicles use by

if you are referring to their 4WD vehicles, you try driving around central
Africa in a Ford Focus and see how far you get

tim

"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 23/11/2016 23:01, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 08:31:48 -0000, Bod wrote:

On 21/11/2016 08:13, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Capitol" wrote in message
o.uk...
Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging
adverts
on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me over 2K
pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the advert and
screen
it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I have a couple of
charities I support each year, and they don't spend a penny on TV.
What do
others think?

most charities are just a money making fiddles and jobs for those who
run
them...peanuts go to the needy .....


Chidren in need is the only charity that I donate to, simply because
*all* of the dosh goes to help the kiddies.
Oh and the once a year Poppy.

The war ended ages ago.

Many severely injured war veterans are still alive and need looking after.
That costs money.

Yes, but that should be provided by the govt, not by charity.

It isnt even clear that say little luxurys for them should be provided
by charity either or that is what the donators intend should happen
to their donations.

And just like with all charitys, **** all of the donations
end up in the hands of those it is intended for.

"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 11/21/2016 9:50 AM, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In article ,
alan_m writes:
It's the same with most charities. They outsource a lot of fund raising
to third parties who may only return a few percent of the money raised
to the charity. I doubt if of little the money raised by street
chuggers, cold calling doorstep saleman or tin rattlers outside of
supermarkets/sheds goes to the charities they claim to represent.

If you want to give to charity, do so by standing order directly to
their account, and not in response to chuggers, who will often take
all of the first year's contribution as their fee.


+1

I have a blacklist of what I regard as "good" charities that I no longer
donate to because they have cold called me. I always make the point of
telling such cold callers about my blacklist.

Bet that sees them pouring from their windows
like lemmings as soon as you tell them.

Perhaps I should start a campaign to encourage everyone to do this.

Yes you should, we need a good laugh.

And I regard chuggers as the spawn of satan.

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bod wrote:
Chidren in need is the only charity that I donate to, simply because
*all* of the dosh goes to help the kiddies.
Oh and the once a year Poppy.

The war ended ages ago.

Many severely injured war veterans are still alive and need looking
after. That costs money.

And do you really believe that should be left to a charity?

No, but since the state won't,

That's a lie, the state does.

somebody has to.

On Thursday, 24 November 2016 12:55:20 UTC, wrote:
You only have to look at large fleet of very expensive vehicles use by
Oxfam and the like
Next you'll moan about the cost of all the shops they run.

Once you deduct the cost of rent, heating, paid manager, insurance, they don't actually send much to the trading company that operates the shops. Then the trading company sends its taxable profit to the charity. Then the charity deducts its overheads. Then some money might be used for what you expect it to be used for.

Owain

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
charles wrote:
In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bod wrote:
Chidren in need is the only charity that I donate to, simply
because
*all* of the dosh goes to help the kiddies.
Oh and the once a year Poppy.

The war ended ages ago.

Many severely injured war veterans are still alive and need looking
after. That costs money.

And do you really believe that should be left to a charity?

No, but since the state won't, somebody has to.

Yup. Which is why the annual performance at the Cenotaph makes me so
uneasy. Goverment dignitaries remembering those 'who gave their lives for
us' while doing their best to ignore those who were merely maimed, but
live on.

They arent ignored, they are entitled to use the NHS, just like everyone
else is.

--
Is the hardness of the butter proportional to the softness of the bread?*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Thursday, 24 November 2016 21:22:55 UTC, wrote:
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 12:55:20 UTC, tabby wrote:

You only have to look at large fleet of very expensive vehicles use by
Oxfam and the like

Next you'll moan about the cost of all the shops they run.

Once you deduct the cost of rent, heating, paid manager, insurance, they don't actually send much to the trading company that operates the shops.

they do

Then the trading company sends its taxable profit to the charity.

which is most of it

Then the charity deducts its overheads. Then some money might be used for what you expect it to be used for.

There are costs all along, such is life, but there's still a good amount used for its charitable purpose.


NT

On 25/11/2016 10:01, wrote:

There are costs all along, such is life, but there's still a good amount used for its charitable purpose.


NT



You keep on believing that ... and maybe if you want to open your eyes -
take a read of this as an example:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...00-heroes.html

In article ,
writes
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 12:55:20 UTC, wrote:
You only have to look at large fleet of very expensive vehicles use by
Oxfam and the like
Next you'll moan about the cost of all the shops they run.

Once you deduct the cost of rent, heating, paid manager, insurance,
they don't actually send much to the trading company that operates the
shops. Then the trading company sends its taxable profit to the
charity. Then the charity deducts its overheads. Then some money might
be used for what you expect it to be used for.

Owain



"Charities" are now business run for the benefits of the senior
employees who expect those at the bottom, the "volunteers", to work for
nothing
--
bert

On Friday, 25 November 2016 18:42:16 UTC, rick wrote:
On 25/11/2016 10:01, tabbypurr wrote:

There are costs all along, such is life, but there's still a good amount used for its charitable purpose.

You keep on believing that ... and maybe if you want to open your eyes -
take a read of this as an example:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...00-heroes.html

That article doesn't say anything about Oxfam at all.


NT