Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote

I would give if the charities solved the problems

Not convinced that they are actually solvable...

well we should all stop giving

Not convinced that is even possible either, too many are a soft touch.

the problem might go away ....

Not a chance IMO.

it's like benefits the more that is available the more uptake there is
.....

Yep, and we now have the situation where its now generous
enough that some decide that its quite an acceptable lifestyle
and don’t bother to work at all. Some even like lots of kids and
are quite happy to be paid by the state to have lots of kids.

I'm not convinced that that is solvable either.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote

I would give if the charities solved the problems

Not convinced that they are actually solvable...

well we should all stop giving

Not convinced that is even possible either, too many are a soft touch.

the problem might go away ....

Not a chance IMO.

it's like benefits the more that is available the more uptake there is
.....

Yep, and we now have the situation where its now generous
enough that some decide that its quite an acceptable lifestyle
and don’t bother to work at all. Some even like lots of kids and
are quite happy to be paid by the state to have lots of kids.

I'm not convinced that that is solvable either.
starve the *******s

I have to say I do wonder this myself, especially the ones offering a cuddly
tiger or whatever and monthly reports on the animal etc. I bet they never
say it was run over by a lumber ttruck etc.

Some of them are made cheaply by like minded agencies who use them as kind
of loss leaders to get more business.
However the bottom really has dropped out of advertising generally. We are
all far too savvy nowadays so ignore most of them entirely.
This is why we have the growth of subscription services I suppose but
people are so used to a free lunch its hard to re educate the public that
somebody somewhere needs to be paid to do things.

Maybe the channels should run a sponsor your local dross producing tv
channel kind of advert.
Brian

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"Capitol" wrote in message
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Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging adverts
on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me over 2K
pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the advert and screen
it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I have a couple of
charities I support each year, and they don't spend a penny on TV. What do
others think?

On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 09:40:03 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

I have to say I do wonder this myself, especially the ones offering a
cuddly tiger or whatever and monthly reports on the animal etc. I bet
they never say it was run over by a lumber ttruck etc.

"So sorry, we just found out your snow leopard actually died 6 weeks ago
so we're re-imbursing you for your last 6 weeks' subs." Yeah, like that's
going to happen!

On Monday, 21 November 2016 23:51:35 UTC, Chris wrote:
On Mon, 21 Nov 2016 09:40:03 +0000, Brian Gaff wrote:

I have to say I do wonder this myself, especially the ones offering a
cuddly tiger or whatever and monthly reports on the animal etc. I bet
they never say it was run over by a lumber ttruck etc.

"So sorry, we just found out your snow leopard actually died 6 weeks ago
so we're re-imbursing you for your last 6 weeks' subs." Yeah, like that's
going to happen!

I've seen where an individual animal sponsorship has been switched from one animal to another, since the original no longer needed the funds, for a few possible reasons.


NT

On 20/11/2016 21:10, Capitol wrote:
Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging
adverts on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me
over 2K pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the advert
and screen it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I have a
couple of charities I support each year, and they don't spend a penny on
TV. What do others think?

I am in two minds about professional fund raisers...

People often complain that only a small proportion of the money raised
goes to the charity in question. However in many cases they are also
very good at raising much much more than the charity itself would
typically raise on its own - so their small percentage is still in
absolute terms significantly more than they would have received otherwise.

Hence you can see what it in it for the charity.

From the donors POV however its less desirable (although I expect they
can find a way to make direct donations that skip the fund raisers if
they look carefully)


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John Rumm wrote
Capitol wrote

Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging
adverts on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me
over 2K pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the advert
and screen it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I have a
couple of charities I support each year, and they don't spend a penny on
TV. What do others think?

I am in two minds about professional fund raisers...

I'm not and will never give them anything.

If I ever do find a worthy cause that can be relied on to only spend
donations on that cause and nothing else, I will work out how to
send them the money in a way that wont cost them anything.

People often complain that only a small proportion of the money raised
goes to the charity in question. However in many cases they are also very
good at raising much much more than the charity itself would typically
raise on its own - so their small percentage is still in absolute terms
significantly more than they would have received otherwise.

That last is very arguable indeed. And still sees vast amounts of
money ending up in the hands of those doing the collecting.

Hence you can see what it in it for the charity.

Yes, but not something I will ever get involved in even
in areas where the unemployment rate is significant.

From the donors POV however its less desirable (although I expect they can
find a way to make direct donations that skip the fund raisers if they
look carefully)

You don’t even have to look carefully, they all have to have
a formal address money can be sent to directly to qualify as
a charity. The problem is its much harder to see what they do
with donated money, even if they are purely unpaid volunteers
involved.

We've just seen these arseholes paying themselves quite literally millions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return...dent_Rod_White

Haven't read the whole thread, but IMHO there are several 000% too many
charities in this country: all fiddling *our* taxes!

And I'm afraid that when I see most "bucket collectors" these days -- at
the supermarket, in the street, or wherever, I think "bloody hell: more
beggars".

This does not mean that I am against charities per se: I have supported
some charities all my life, and continue to do so.

J.

On Sunday, 20 November 2016 21:10:20 UTC, Capitol wrote:
Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging
adverts on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me
over 2K pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the advert
and screen it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I have a
couple of charities I support each year, and they don't spend a penny on
TV. What do others think?

Not only this but "foreign aid" which often seems to be misspent/stolen.
Including via the EUSSR.

On Tue, 22 Nov 2016 01:23:49 -0800, harry wrote:

Not only this but "foreign aid" which often seems to be misspent/stolen.
Including via the EUSSR.

It would be sensible to cap foreign aid to say
0.00000000000000000000000000000000001% of GDP.

On 20/11/2016 21:10, Capitol wrote:
Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging
adverts on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me
over 2K pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the advert
and screen it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I have a
couple of charities I support each year, and they don't spend a penny on
TV. What do others think?

You only have to look at large fleet of very expensive vehicles use by
Oxfam and the like to realise they have to keep asking for your money to
fund these.

On Thursday, 24 November 2016 12:08:58 UTC, rick wrote:
On 20/11/2016 21:10, Capitol wrote:
Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging
adverts on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me
over 2K pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the advert
and screen it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I have a
couple of charities I support each year, and they don't spend a penny on
TV. What do others think?

You only have to look at large fleet of very expensive vehicles use by
Oxfam and the like to realise they have to keep asking for your money to
fund these.

Next you'll moan about the cost of all the shops they run.


NT

On Thursday, 24 November 2016 12:55:20 UTC, wrote:
You only have to look at large fleet of very expensive vehicles use by
Oxfam and the like
Next you'll moan about the cost of all the shops they run.

Once you deduct the cost of rent, heating, paid manager, insurance, they don't actually send much to the trading company that operates the shops. Then the trading company sends its taxable profit to the charity. Then the charity deducts its overheads. Then some money might be used for what you expect it to be used for.

Owain

On Thursday, 24 November 2016 21:22:55 UTC, wrote:
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 12:55:20 UTC, tabby wrote:

You only have to look at large fleet of very expensive vehicles use by
Oxfam and the like

Next you'll moan about the cost of all the shops they run.

Once you deduct the cost of rent, heating, paid manager, insurance, they don't actually send much to the trading company that operates the shops.

they do

Then the trading company sends its taxable profit to the charity.

which is most of it

Then the charity deducts its overheads. Then some money might be used for what you expect it to be used for.

There are costs all along, such is life, but there's still a good amount used for its charitable purpose.


NT

On 25/11/2016 10:01, wrote:

There are costs all along, such is life, but there's still a good amount used for its charitable purpose.


NT



You keep on believing that ... and maybe if you want to open your eyes -
take a read of this as an example:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...00-heroes.html

In article ,
writes
On Thursday, 24 November 2016 12:55:20 UTC, wrote:
You only have to look at large fleet of very expensive vehicles use by
Oxfam and the like
Next you'll moan about the cost of all the shops they run.

Once you deduct the cost of rent, heating, paid manager, insurance,
they don't actually send much to the trading company that operates the
shops. Then the trading company sends its taxable profit to the
charity. Then the charity deducts its overheads. Then some money might
be used for what you expect it to be used for.

Owain



"Charities" are now business run for the benefits of the senior
employees who expect those at the bottom, the "volunteers", to work for
nothing
--
bert

"rick" wrote in message
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On 20/11/2016 21:10, Capitol wrote:
Is it just me, or are others fed up with the quantity of begging
adverts on TV? If I resonded to all of the, I reckon it would cost me
over 2K pounds a year. I do wonder how much it costs to make the advert
and screen it and fear that most of the doantion is wasted. I have a
couple of charities I support each year, and they don't spend a penny on
TV. What do others think?

You only have to look at large fleet of very expensive vehicles use by

if you are referring to their 4WD vehicles, you try driving around central
Africa in a Ford Focus and see how far you get

tim