Hi All
we have one mains outlet that is used for either toaster or the sandwich
grill ;-/. Because of this the plug gets swapped out 1-2 times a day. Any
thoughts about whether this might cause trouble over time?

The socket is already a double outlet (actually one of those single-to-
double adapters), and I haven't seen a triple adapter I would have in the
house...

Thanks
Jon N

jkn wrote

Hi All

All hanged himself, got too many questions...

we have one mains outlet that is used for either toaster or the sandwich
grill ;-/. Because of this the plug gets swapped out 1-2 times a day. Any
thoughts about whether this might cause trouble over time?

If it does, no big deal to change the socket.

The socket is already a double outlet (actually one
of those single-to-double adapters), and I haven't
seen a triple adapter I would have in the house...

So change it for a decent triple/quad socket.

On 18/11/2016 08:29, jkn wrote:
Hi All
we have one mains outlet that is used for either toaster or the sandwich
grill ;-/. Because of this the plug gets swapped out 1-2 times a day. Any
thoughts about whether this might cause trouble over time?

It may. If you start to notice significant heating of the plug or socket
then replace it.

There is no "standard" answer to your question that I am aware of - it
will depend greatly on the actual make and model of socket in question.
You may get a better answer by identifying the brand and contacting the
manufacturer.

The socket is already a double outlet (actually one of those single-to-
double adapters), and I haven't seen a triple adapter I would have in the
house...

So why not install an additional double next to it? Its only a 15 minute
job in most cases.


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On 18/11/2016 08:29, jkn wrote:
Hi All
we have one mains outlet that is used for either toaster or the
sandwich
grill ;-/. Because of this the plug gets swapped out 1-2 times a day. Any
thoughts about whether this might cause trouble over time?

It may. If you start to notice significant heating of the plug or socket
then replace it.

There is no "standard" answer to your question that I am aware of - it
will depend greatly on the actual make and model of socket in question.
You may get a better answer by identifying the brand and contacting the
manufacturer.

The socket is already a double outlet (actually one of those single-to-
double adapters), and I haven't seen a triple adapter I would have in the
house...

So why not install an additional double next to it? Its only a 15 minute
job in most cases.

15 mins to chase out the brickwork or plasterboard, drill mounting holes
and/ir work out how to mount the socket backplate if the wall is an internal
partition, unwire the old socket, connect a short spur to the new socket,
rewire both. All that in 15 mins? You're a fast worker!

I could start using a 13 amp adapter in that time.
On 18/11/2016 09:25, NY wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
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On 18/11/2016 08:29, jkn wrote:
Hi All
we have one mains outlet that is used for either toaster or the
sandwich
grill ;-/. Because of this the plug gets swapped out 1-2 times a day.
Any
thoughts about whether this might cause trouble over time?

It may. If you start to notice significant heating of the plug or
socket then replace it.

There is no "standard" answer to your question that I am aware of - it
will depend greatly on the actual make and model of socket in
question. You may get a better answer by identifying the brand and
contacting the manufacturer.

The socket is already a double outlet (actually one of those single-to-
double adapters), and I haven't seen a triple adapter I would have in
the
house...

So why not install an additional double next to it? Its only a 15
minute job in most cases.

15 mins to chase out the brickwork or plasterboard, drill mounting holes
and/ir work out how to mount the socket backplate if the wall is an
internal partition, unwire the old socket, connect a short spur to the
new socket, rewire both. All that in 15 mins? You're a fast worker!


What is the power consumption of the toaster and sandwich grill?

If the total is less 3kw I could start using a 13 amp adapter in that time.


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On 18/11/2016 09:25, NY wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
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On 18/11/2016 08:29, jkn wrote:


The socket is already a double outlet (actually one of those single-to-
double adapters), and I haven't seen a triple adapter I would have in
the
house...

So why not install an additional double next to it? Its only a 15
minute job in most cases.

15 mins to chase out the brickwork or plasterboard, drill mounting holes
and/ir work out how to mount the socket backplate if the wall is an
internal partition, unwire the old socket, connect a short spur to the
new socket, rewire both. All that in 15 mins? You're a fast worker!

If its a plasterboard stud wall I can do it in 10 ;-)

(5 to 10 mins work with a SDS to chop out a backbox recess in normal
brick. More if its something really hard)



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Hi John

John Rumm wrote:

On 18/11/2016 09:25, NY wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 18/11/2016 08:29, jkn wrote:


The socket is already a double outlet (actually one of those single-to-
double adapters), and I haven't seen a triple adapter I would have in
the
house...

So why not install an additional double next to it? Its only a 15
minute job in most cases.

15 mins to chase out the brickwork or plasterboard, drill mounting holes
and/ir work out how to mount the socket backplate if the wall is an
internal partition, unwire the old socket, connect a short spur to the
new socket, rewire both. All that in 15 mins? You're a fast worker!

If its a plasterboard stud wall I can do it in 10 ;-)

(5 to 10 mins work with a SDS to chop out a backbox recess in normal
brick. More if its something really hard)


It's tiled, for starters. Just makes things a bit harder. And I don't like
having outlets butted next to each other. If it got to having to replace the
current socket I might bite the bullet and do something like that though. I
see you can get 3-gang outlets, (don't think I found one last time I
looked).

(to Michael Chare) I am not using one of those 3-way mains adapters
regardless of the total power consumption. I am trying to keep this neat -
one of the very few corners of the house...

Cheers
Jon N

On 11/18/2016 3:26 PM, John Rumm wrote:
On 18/11/2016 09:25, NY wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 18/11/2016 08:29, jkn wrote:


The socket is already a double outlet (actually one of those single-to-
double adapters), and I haven't seen a triple adapter I would have in
the
house...

So why not install an additional double next to it? Its only a 15
minute job in most cases.

15 mins to chase out the brickwork or plasterboard, drill mounting holes
and/ir work out how to mount the socket backplate if the wall is an
internal partition, unwire the old socket, connect a short spur to the
new socket, rewire both. All that in 15 mins? You're a fast worker!

If its a plasterboard stud wall I can do it in 10 ;-)


Plus half an hour to remember where you left the green/yellow sleeve?
These days I keep lengths of red and green/yellow in every toolbox that
contains a wire stripper and screwdriver.

:-)


(5 to 10 mins work with a SDS to chop out a backbox recess in normal
brick. More if its something really hard)

On 18/11/2016 21:34, jkn wrote:
Hi John

John Rumm wrote:

On 18/11/2016 09:25, NY wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 18/11/2016 08:29, jkn wrote:


The socket is already a double outlet (actually one of those single-to-
double adapters), and I haven't seen a triple adapter I would have in
the
house...

So why not install an additional double next to it? Its only a 15
minute job in most cases.

15 mins to chase out the brickwork or plasterboard, drill mounting holes
and/ir work out how to mount the socket backplate if the wall is an
internal partition, unwire the old socket, connect a short spur to the
new socket, rewire both. All that in 15 mins? You're a fast worker!

If its a plasterboard stud wall I can do it in 10 ;-)

(5 to 10 mins work with a SDS to chop out a backbox recess in normal
brick. More if its something really hard)


It's tiled, for starters. Just makes things a bit harder.

Yup had that problem adding an extra one in my kitchen. I used a carbide
segment saw in a multimaster to cut out the tile section[1]. Then went
round the perimeter with a 20mm chisel in the SDS - marked the chisel
with tape to indicate depth stop. Once I had the perimeter to depth,
took out the middle with a 40mm chisel. I usually chisel from the centre
out to the edges, and then come back and take the centre out once down
to depth on the edges.

And I don't like
having outlets butted next to each other.

Space the second one about an inch to inch and a half away and then it
does not look to "jambed in", but you can still drill through the
dividing bit at an angle with a long drill bit to get your cable(s) in.

If it got to having to replace the
current socket I might bite the bullet and do something like that though. I
see you can get 3-gang outlets, (don't think I found one last time I
looked).

I *think* the right hand one was the extra socket:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...ketInTiles.jpg

(I changed the old socket front at the same time to make sure they both
matched in style to make it less obvious one was hacked in later)

With all the extra titting about with the tiles etc, that one took about
40 mins.


[1] Same as I did on a shower valve he

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...ve_(retrofi t)

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On 18/11/2016 21:37, newshound wrote:
On 11/18/2016 3:26 PM, John Rumm wrote:
On 18/11/2016 09:25, NY wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 18/11/2016 08:29, jkn wrote:


The socket is already a double outlet (actually one of those
single-to-
double adapters), and I haven't seen a triple adapter I would have in
the
house...

So why not install an additional double next to it? Its only a 15
minute job in most cases.

15 mins to chase out the brickwork or plasterboard, drill mounting holes
and/ir work out how to mount the socket backplate if the wall is an
internal partition, unwire the old socket, connect a short spur to the
new socket, rewire both. All that in 15 mins? You're a fast worker!

If its a plasterboard stud wall I can do it in 10 ;-)


Plus half an hour to remember where you left the green/yellow sleeve?

The bit of sleeve I had just cut and then put down somewhere, yup
possibly. However I have a tool box dedicated to electrical jobs, and
that has the remains of a 50m pack of the stuff in the bottom of it
which I have been working my way through for years now, so its easy to
just chop off another bit, since you know the original bit will show up
shortly after you cut the new bit ;-)

Now if I could have all those minutes back looking for where I put down
my screwdriver, side cutters, an-other tool - when I know it must be
right in front of me somewhere... Then I could get some of these things
done so much more easily!

(because I could not be bothered to get my tool belt out and I ran out
of hand/pocket space)

These days I keep lengths of red and green/yellow in every toolbox that
contains a wire stripper and screwdriver.

:-)

Yup, I gave up moving stuff between tool boxes, since you always end up
needing something that's not where it should be. In the end just
duplicated tools if needs be to make each task box "standalone".




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jkn wrote:
Hi John

John Rumm wrote:

On 18/11/2016 09:25, NY wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
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On 18/11/2016 08:29, jkn wrote:


The socket is already a double outlet (actually one of those single-to-
double adapters), and I haven't seen a triple adapter I would have in
the
house...

So why not install an additional double next to it? Its only a 15
minute job in most cases.

15 mins to chase out the brickwork or plasterboard, drill mounting holes
and/ir work out how to mount the socket backplate if the wall is an
internal partition, unwire the old socket, connect a short spur to the
new socket, rewire both. All that in 15 mins? You're a fast worker!

If its a plasterboard stud wall I can do it in 10 ;-)

(5 to 10 mins work with a SDS to chop out a backbox recess in normal
brick. More if its something really hard)


It's tiled, for starters. Just makes things a bit harder. And I don't like
having outlets butted next to each other. If it got to having to replace the
current socket I might bite the bullet and do something like that though. I
see you can get 3-gang outlets, (don't think I found one last time I
looked).

(to Michael Chare) I am not using one of those 3-way mains adapters
regardless of the total power consumption. I am trying to keep this neat -
one of the very few corners of the house...

Cheers
Jon N




http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HPM-XL7774...8AAOSwX~dWqZ-H

http://tinyurl.com/gujza8m

I *think* the right hand one was the extra socket:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...ketInTiles.jpg



Take the scruffy labels off!

On 18/11/2016 21:34, jkn wrote:
Hi John

John Rumm wrote:

On 18/11/2016 09:25, NY wrote:
"John Rumm" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 18/11/2016 08:29, jkn wrote:


The socket is already a double outlet (actually one of those single-to-
double adapters), and I haven't seen a triple adapter I would have in
the
house...

So why not install an additional double next to it? Its only a 15
minute job in most cases.

15 mins to chase out the brickwork or plasterboard, drill mounting holes
and/ir work out how to mount the socket backplate if the wall is an
internal partition, unwire the old socket, connect a short spur to the
new socket, rewire both. All that in 15 mins? You're a fast worker!

If its a plasterboard stud wall I can do it in 10 ;-)

(5 to 10 mins work with a SDS to chop out a backbox recess in normal
brick. More if its something really hard)


It's tiled, for starters. Just makes things a bit harder. And I don't like
having outlets butted next to each other. If it got to having to replace the
current socket I might bite the bullet and do something like that though. I
see you can get 3-gang outlets, (don't think I found one last time I
looked).

http://www.screwfix.com/p/mk-3%20gang-dp/17315

Any use?


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On 19/11/2016 15:41, DerbyBorn wrote:

I *think* the right hand one was the extra socket:

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...ketInTiles.jpg



Take the scruffy labels off!

I had hardly even noticed then until taking the photo... ;-)


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On 18/11/2016 09:11, John Rumm wrote:
On 18/11/2016 08:29, jkn wrote:


So why not install an additional double next to it? Its only a 15 minute
job in most cases.


Is that 15 minutes to do the job OR is it 15 minutes to do the job after
6 months of nagging after you promised her "I'll do the job"?




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On 19/11/2016 19:26, ARW wrote:
On 18/11/2016 09:11, John Rumm wrote:
On 18/11/2016 08:29, jkn wrote:


So why not install an additional double next to it? Its only a 15 minute
job in most cases.


Is that 15 minutes to do the job OR is it 15 minutes to do the job after
6 months of nagging after you promised her "I'll do the job"?

Its usually a case SAS tactics - get in and out without being noticed -
that way she won't worry about me causing disruption or making a mess ;-)

(so much better than "you are not going to start doing that now are you?")


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