On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:20:29 -0000, Bill Wright wrote:

On 13/11/2016 10:01, wrote:

Well the worst are the Methodists.


Even they had splits

My family on one side were Methodists, but they did all their baptisms,
weddings, and funerals at the C of E church because it was a far nicer
building.

All churches should be blown to smithereens. Waste of ****ing space they are.

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On 17/11/2016 22:44, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:20:29 -0000, Bill wrote:

On 13/11/2016 10:01, wrote:

Well the worst are the Methodists.


Even they had splits

My family on one side were Methodists, but they did all their baptisms,
weddings, and funerals at the C of E church because it was a far nicer
building.

All churches should be blown to smithereens. Waste of ****ing space they are.


Two former churches near me have been turned into residential flats.
Much more environmentally friendly than knocking them down, clearing the
rubble and building new.

Jim

"Indy Jess John" wrote in message
...
On 17/11/2016 22:44, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:20:29 -0000, Bill
wrote:

On 13/11/2016 10:01, wrote:

Well the worst are the Methodists.


Even they had splits

My family on one side were Methodists, but they did all their baptisms,
weddings, and funerals at the C of E church because it was a far nicer
building.

All churches should be blown to smithereens. Waste of ****ing space they
are.


Two former churches near me have been turned into residential flats.
Much more environmentally friendly than knocking them down, clearing the
rubble and building new.

Jim




It's rare for that to be possible

the location of the windows don't usually suit conversion to anything other
that a single unit with very high ceilings

tim

In article ,
tim... wrote:
Two former churches near me have been turned into residential flats.
Much more environmentally friendly than knocking them down, clearing
the rubble and building new.

Jim




It's rare for that to be possible

the location of the windows don't usually suit conversion to anything
other that a single unit with very high ceilings

Depends what you want. No reason not to fill in the windows and make new
ones. Unless you want the church to still look like a church, of course.
Which doesn't make much sense since it's no longer one.

Of course many may think them handsome public buildings to be kept as is,
looks wise. For aesthetic reasons.

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On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:57:40 -0000, Indy Jess John wrote:

On 17/11/2016 22:44, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:20:29 -0000, Bill wrote:

On 13/11/2016 10:01, wrote:

Well the worst are the Methodists.


Even they had splits

My family on one side were Methodists, but they did all their baptisms,
weddings, and funerals at the C of E church because it was a far nicer
building.

All churches should be blown to smithereens. Waste of ****ing space they are.


Two former churches near me have been turned into residential flats.
Much more environmentally friendly than knocking them down, clearing the
rubble and building new.

That's unusual. The in thing seems to be to demolish everything in the name of safety.

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On 17/11/2016 22:44, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

All churches should be blown to smithereens. Waste of ****ing space
they are.

Even if you did that the faithful would gather together.

Bill

On 18/11/2016 13:58, tim... wrote:

It's rare for that to be possible

the location of the windows don't usually suit conversion to anything
other that a single unit with very high ceilings

I've worked on two church to flat conversion jobs. Yes the positions of
the windows did prove problematic.

In one such they had a ground floor flat at the bottom of the tower.
This had a suspended ceiling at the normal modern height. It was a
suspended ceiling. I lifted a ceiling tile and to my surprise found that
there was a huge empty space above me. I couldn't have slept in there
knowing that there was a 60ft space above me with dodgy old masonry at
the top.

Bill

On 18/11/2016 19:27, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:57:40 -0000, Indy Jess wrote:

Two former churches near me have been turned into residential flats.
Much more environmentally friendly than knocking them down, clearing the
rubble and building new.

That's unusual. The in thing seems to be to demolish everything in the name of safety.

It might just be financial.
If you modify an existing building, you pay VAT.
If you demolish it and build new, it is zero rated.

Of course there are other financial inputs and that affects the profits,
and so it can be beneficial to reuse the old. But the difference
between VAT at 20% and at 0% is significant, and can skew the decision.

Jim

On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 21:12:01 -0000, Indy Jess John wrote:

On 18/11/2016 19:27, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:57:40 -0000, Indy Jess wrote:

Two former churches near me have been turned into residential flats.
Much more environmentally friendly than knocking them down, clearing the
rubble and building new.

That's unusual. The in thing seems to be to demolish everything in the name of safety.

It might just be financial.
If you modify an existing building, you pay VAT.
If you demolish it and build new, it is zero rated.

Of course there are other financial inputs and that affects the profits,
and so it can be beneficial to reuse the old. But the difference
between VAT at 20% and at 0% is significant, and can skew the decision.

Why on earth are the government doing that?

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On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:27:33 -0000, Bill Wright wrote:

On 18/11/2016 13:58, tim... wrote:

It's rare for that to be possible

the location of the windows don't usually suit conversion to anything
other that a single unit with very high ceilings

I've worked on two church to flat conversion jobs. Yes the positions of
the windows did prove problematic.

In one such they had a ground floor flat at the bottom of the tower.
This had a suspended ceiling at the normal modern height. It was a
suspended ceiling. I lifted a ceiling tile and to my surprise found that
there was a huge empty space above me. I couldn't have slept in there
knowing that there was a 60ft space above me with dodgy old masonry at
the top.

What a waste of 60 ft.

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On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:20:52 -0000, Bill Wright wrote:

On 17/11/2016 22:44, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

All churches should be blown to smithereens. Waste of ****ing space
they are.

Even if you did that the faithful would gather together.

Easier to bomb them in the open.

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Why do tourists go to the top of tall buildings and then put money in telescopes so they can see things on the ground in close-up?

On 18/11/2016 21:20, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 21:12:01 -0000, Indy Jess wrote:

On 18/11/2016 19:27, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:57:40 -0000, Indy Jess wrote:

Two former churches near me have been turned into residential flats.
Much more environmentally friendly than knocking them down, clearing the
rubble and building new.

That's unusual. The in thing seems to be to demolish everything in the name of safety.

It might just be financial.
If you modify an existing building, you pay VAT.
If you demolish it and build new, it is zero rated.

Of course there are other financial inputs and that affects the profits,
and so it can be beneficial to reuse the old. But the difference
between VAT at 20% and at 0% is significant, and can skew the decision.

Why on earth are the government doing that?

They have been told many times, by many developers, and it hasn't made a
scrap of difference.

Everyone except the Government knows it is stupid.

Jim

"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 09:57:40 -0000, Indy Jess John
wrote:

On 17/11/2016 22:44, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:20:29 -0000, Bill
wrote:

On 13/11/2016 10:01, wrote:

Well the worst are the Methodists.


Even they had splits

My family on one side were Methodists, but they did all their baptisms,
weddings, and funerals at the C of E church because it was a far nicer
building.

All churches should be blown to smithereens. Waste of ****ing space
they are.


Two former churches near me have been turned into residential flats.
Much more environmentally friendly than knocking them down, clearing the
rubble and building new.

That's unusual.

Nope, not with churches.

The in thing seems to be to demolish everything in the name of safety.

Nope, not with churches.

On 18/11/2016 21:22, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:27:33 -0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

On 18/11/2016 13:58, tim... wrote:

It's rare for that to be possible

the location of the windows don't usually suit conversion to anything
other that a single unit with very high ceilings

I've worked on two church to flat conversion jobs. Yes the positions of
the windows did prove problematic.

In one such they had a ground floor flat at the bottom of the tower.
This had a suspended ceiling at the normal modern height. It was a
suspended ceiling. I lifted a ceiling tile and to my surprise found that
there was a huge empty space above me. I couldn't have slept in there
knowing that there was a 60ft space above me with dodgy old masonry at
the top.

What a waste of 60 ft.

I don't know why they did it. The whole tower was empty except for the
ground floor flat. The rest of the building was used to the fullest
possible extent. Could have been a planning issue: windows in the tower.

Bill

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
news
On 18/11/2016 21:22, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2016 20:27:33 -0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

On 18/11/2016 13:58, tim... wrote:

It's rare for that to be possible

the location of the windows don't usually suit conversion to anything
other that a single unit with very high ceilings

I've worked on two church to flat conversion jobs. Yes the positions of
the windows did prove problematic.

In one such they had a ground floor flat at the bottom of the tower.
This had a suspended ceiling at the normal modern height. It was a
suspended ceiling. I lifted a ceiling tile and to my surprise found that
there was a huge empty space above me. I couldn't have slept in there
knowing that there was a 60ft space above me with dodgy old masonry at
the top.

What a waste of 60 ft.

I don't know why they did it.

Because it was the simplest and cheapest approach.

The whole tower was empty except for the ground floor flat.

And it wouldn't have been practical to have other stuff above it.

The rest of the building was used to the fullest possible extent. Could
have been a planning issue: windows in the tower.

Much more likely it just wasn't feasible to provide access and windows etc.

On 19/11/2016 04:26, Rod Speed wrote:

What a waste of 60 ft.

I don't know why they did it.

Because it was the simplest and cheapest approach.

But they lost three flats! They had twelve to sell when they could have
had fifteen!

The whole tower was empty except for the ground floor flat.

And it wouldn't have been practical to have other stuff above it.

The rest of the building was used to the fullest possible extent.
Could have been a planning issue: windows in the tower.

Much more likely it just wasn't feasible to provide access and windows etc.

Staircase. Windows. Both present little difficulty to the experienced
converters of old buildings.

Bill

Bill Wright wrote
Rod Speed wrote

What a waste of 60 ft.

I don't know why they did it.

Because it was the simplest and cheapest approach.

But they lost three flats!

That could only be provided very expensively and so
wouldn't have returned the cost of providing them.

They had twelve to sell when they could have had fifteen!

For less for the 4 in the tower than would have cost to provide them.

The whole tower was empty except for the ground floor flat.

And it wouldn't have been practical to have other stuff above it.

The rest of the building was used to the fullest possible extent.
Could have been a planning issue: windows in the tower.

Much more likely it just wasn't feasible to provide access and windows
etc.

Staircase.

That would have meant that that space wasn't available for
the 4 flats in that tower, which was already short of space.

Windows. Both present little difficulty to the experienced converters of
old buildings.

Bull**** on the space.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
tim... wrote:
Two former churches near me have been turned into residential flats.
Much more environmentally friendly than knocking them down, clearing
the rubble and building new.

Jim




It's rare for that to be possible

the location of the windows don't usually suit conversion to anything
other that a single unit with very high ceilings

Depends what you want. No reason not to fill in the windows and make new
ones. Unless you want the church to still look like a church, of course.
Which doesn't make much sense since it's no longer one.

For "historic" style church properties most councils wont let you put in new
windows, except perhaps Velux ones in the roof.

You usually have to work with then openings that you already have.

Of course many may think them handsome public buildings to be kept as is,
looks wise. For aesthetic reasons.

I don't. Local council official often do

tim

In article ,
tim... wrote:
Depends what you want. No reason not to fill in the windows and make
new ones. Unless you want the church to still look like a church, of
course. Which doesn't make much sense since it's no longer one.

For "historic" style church properties most councils wont let you put in
new windows, except perhaps Velux ones in the roof.

Yes. I realise that.

You usually have to work with then openings that you already have.

Of course many may think them handsome public buildings to be kept as
is, looks wise. For aesthetic reasons.

I don't. Local council official often do

And rightly so. Getting their own back for not being allowed to build
decent houses for rent themselves.

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In article , tim...
wrote:

"Indy Jess John" wrote in message
...
On 17/11/2016 22:44, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 15:20:29 -0000, Bill
wrote:

On 13/11/2016 10:01, wrote:

Well the worst are the Methodists.


Even they had splits

My family on one side were Methodists, but they did all their
baptisms, weddings, and funerals at the C of E church because it was
a far nicer building.

All churches should be blown to smithereens. Waste of ****ing space
they are.


Two former churches near me have been turned into residential flats.
Much more environmentally friendly than knocking them down, clearing
the rubble and building new.

Jim




It's rare for that to be possible

the location of the windows don't usually suit conversion to anything
other that a single unit with very high ceilings

In Edinburgh - very close to the New Town a redundant church was turneg
into an electricity substaion.

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In article ,
charles wrote:
In Edinburgh - very close to the New Town a redundant church was turneg
into an electricity substaion.

I'll bet that generated a few complaints.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 18:50:39 -0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
charles wrote:
In Edinburgh - very close to the New Town a redundant church was turneg
into an electricity substaion.

I'll bet that generated a few complaints.

You're such a bright spark today, coming up with things like that.

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On 20/11/2016 18:08, charles wrote:

In Edinburgh - very close to the New Town a redundant church was turneg
into an electricity substaion.
Once when I was plotting a route north through London from some
God-forsaken place I saw a redundant church that was in use as a radio
communications tower. It was thoroughly festooned and looked most
peculiar. The only thing I can remember is that it was near a
wedge-shaped one way system.

Bill

On Sun, 20 Nov 2016 22:48:48 -0000, Bill Wright wrote:

On 20/11/2016 18:08, charles wrote:

In Edinburgh - very close to the New Town a redundant church was turneg
into an electricity substaion.
Once when I was plotting a route north through London from some
God-forsaken place I saw a redundant church that was in use as a radio
communications tower. It was thoroughly festooned and looked most
peculiar. The only thing I can remember is that it was near a
wedge-shaped one way system.

One way systems are the work of the devil. All they do is make people drive round and round getting lost and polluting and congesting the place.

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All over the bedside clock.
The little dog laughed to see such fun.
Then died of electric shock.

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 20/11/2016 18:08, charles wrote:

In Edinburgh - very close to the New Town a redundant church was turneg
into an electricity substaion.
Once when I was plotting a route north through London from some
God-forsaken place I saw a redundant church that was in use as a radio
communications tower. It was thoroughly festooned and looked most
peculiar. The only thing I can remember is that it was near a
wedge-shaped one way system.

Perhaps most churches have 'cell' aerials in their steeples.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
On 20/11/2016 18:08, charles wrote:

In Edinburgh - very close to the New Town a redundant church was
turneg into an electricity substaion.
Once when I was plotting a route north through London from some
God-forsaken place I saw a redundant church that was in use as a radio
communications tower. It was thoroughly festooned and looked most
peculiar. The only thing I can remember is that it was near a
wedge-shaped one way system.

Perhaps most churches have 'cell' aerials in their steeples.


The "angel" on top of Guildford Cathedral is certainly one.

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On Sunday, 20 November 2016 22:48:50 UTC, Bill Wright wrote:
On 20/11/2016 18:08, charles wrote:

In Edinburgh - very close to the New Town a redundant church was turneg
into an electricity substaion.
Once when I was plotting a route north through London from some
God-forsaken place I saw a redundant church that was in use as a radio
communications tower. It was thoroughly festooned and looked most
peculiar. The only thing I can remember is that it was near a
wedge-shaped one way system.

Bill

Wasn't the limelight an old church around the liecester square area.
I've been to nightclubs that have been squatting in strange places.
The old bank near angel tube, islington water works, a church in holborn the old EMI bilding near denmark street.
I missed out on the iranian embessy had a bloody sticking cold IIRC.

In article , Bill Wright
scribeth thus
On 20/11/2016 18:08, charles wrote:

In Edinburgh - very close to the New Town a redundant church was turneg
into an electricity substaion.
Once when I was plotting a route north through London from some
God-forsaken place I saw a redundant church that was in use as a radio
communications tower. It was thoroughly festooned and looked most
peculiar. The only thing I can remember is that it was near a
wedge-shaped one way system.

Bill


Yes seen it in North London somewhere, used to go that way a lot many
years ago...

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On 21/11/16 22:00, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Bill Wright
scribeth thus
On 20/11/2016 18:08, charles wrote:

In Edinburgh - very close to the New Town a redundant church was turneg
into an electricity substaion.
Once when I was plotting a route north through London from some
God-forsaken place I saw a redundant church that was in use as a radio
communications tower. It was thoroughly festooned and looked most
peculiar. The only thing I can remember is that it was near a
wedge-shaped one way system.

Bill


Yes seen it in North London somewhere, used to go that way a lot many
years ago...


Camden Pk Rd?








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In article , DJC scribeth
thus
On 21/11/16 22:00, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Bill Wright
scribeth thus
On 20/11/2016 18:08, charles wrote:

In Edinburgh - very close to the New Town a redundant church was turneg
into an electricity substaion.
Once when I was plotting a route north through London from some
God-forsaken place I saw a redundant church that was in use as a radio
communications tower. It was thoroughly festooned and looked most
peculiar. The only thing I can remember is that it was near a
wedge-shaped one way system.

Bill


Yes seen it in North London somewhere, used to go that way a lot many
years ago...


Camden Pk Rd?


=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIdNZTqrpLZo62BsMYK30zQ!2e0!7i1331 2!8i6656




Yep that's the one!

Used to pass that on our way home back from the old roundhouse after
gigs and that!...




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Tony Sayer

On 22/11/16 21:41, tony sayer wrote:
In article , DJC scribeth
thus
On 21/11/16 22:00, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Bill Wright
scribeth thus
On 20/11/2016 18:08, charles wrote:

In Edinburgh - very close to the New Town a redundant church was turneg
into an electricity substaion.
Once when I was plotting a route north through London from some
God-forsaken place I saw a redundant church that was in use as a radio
communications tower. It was thoroughly festooned and looked most
peculiar. The only thing I can remember is that it was near a
wedge-shaped one way system.

Bill


Yes seen it in North London somewhere, used to go that way a lot many
years ago...


Camden Pk Rd?


=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIdNZTqrpLZo62BsMYK30zQ!2e0!7i13312 !8i6656




Yep that's the one!

Used to pass that on our way home back from the old roundhouse after
gigs and that!...

Going where? I always used to exit the A41/finchley road way.







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conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

In article , The Natural Philosopher
scribeth thus
On 22/11/16 21:41, tony sayer wrote:
In article , DJC scribeth
thus
On 21/11/16 22:00, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Bill Wright
scribeth thus
On 20/11/2016 18:08, charles wrote:

In Edinburgh - very close to the New Town a redundant church was turneg
into an electricity substaion.
Once when I was plotting a route north through London from some
God-forsaken place I saw a redundant church that was in use as a radio
communications tower. It was thoroughly festooned and looked most
peculiar. The only thing I can remember is that it was near a
wedge-shaped one way system.

Bill


Yes seen it in North London somewhere, used to go that way a lot many
years ago...


Camden Pk Rd?


ta
=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIdNZTqrpLZo62BsMYK30zQ!2e0!7i13312 !8i6656




Yep that's the one!

Used to pass that on our way home back from the old roundhouse after
gigs and that!...

Going where? I always used to exit the A41/finchley road way.

Well we always had someone to drop off here and there - but to Cambridge
basically








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