Is this any good for a Christmas present?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC

jim k wrote:
"Ron" Wrote in message:
Is this any good for a Christmas present?

https://www.amazo.....

Depends who you give it to....;-)

Indeed. My wife probably wouldn't appreciate it. ;-)

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Is this any good for a Christmas present?

https://www.amazo.....

Depends who you give it to....
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On 15/11/2016 18:46, Tim+ wrote:
jim k wrote:
"Ron" Wrote in message:
Is this any good for a Christmas present?

https://www.amazo.....

Depends who you give it to....
;-)

Indeed. My wife probably wouldn't appreciate it. ;-)

To right, she should expect a blue one ;-)


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On 11/15/2016 6:13 PM, Ron wrote:
Is this any good for a Christmas present?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC

Unless I am mistaken, this is *not* an impact one. To my mind, you would
be better off with a drill/driver if you just want a single tool,
preferably one with an impact drill (usual terminology: combi) if you
are ever likely to do masonry.

If you are screwing into a lot of timber (rather than just assembling
flat pack furniture, for example) then I would *strongly* recommend
something like this

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/3794801

but then you would *also* want a combi drill which takes the same batteries.

I should say that I *used* to be slightly skeptical about these devices
except for pro's like Dave who do a lot of decking, until I actually got
one myself. If you get a decent make like Makita they are *so* much more
controllable (as well as powerful) for screwing compared to a basic combi.

You do need to buy decent bits for them, though, and even so they won't
last as long.

On 11/15/2016 8:23 PM, newshound wrote:
On 11/15/2016 6:13 PM, Ron wrote:
Is this any good for a Christmas present?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC


Unless I am mistaken, this is *not* an impact one. To my mind, you would
be better off with a drill/driver if you just want a single tool,
preferably one with an impact drill (usual terminology: combi) if you
are ever likely to do masonry.

If you are screwing into a lot of timber (rather than just assembling
flat pack furniture, for example) then I would *strongly* recommend
something like this

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/3794801

but then you would *also* want a combi drill which takes the same
batteries.

I should say that I *used* to be slightly skeptical about these devices
except for pro's like Dave who do a lot of decking, until I actually got
one myself. If you get a decent make like Makita they are *so* much more
controllable (as well as powerful) for screwing compared to a basic combi.

You do need to buy decent bits for them, though, and even so they won't
last as long.

Oops sorry, just polishing off a bottle of red and originally identified
the OP as a just simple non impact screwdriver.

As a first drill driver for light DIY that would be very reasonable.
Lidl and Aldi offers are also good, and would give you impact drilling
and maybe a spare battery for the same money. Second battery is very
useful if you are doing a lot of work. Some people are a bit sniffy
about Bosch Green (rather than Blue, which is higher spec) but I have
several Bosch Green devices and they fine.

On 15/11/2016 18:13, Ron wrote:
Is this any good for a Christmas present?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...n-Featuring-Ba


ttery/dp/B005X6X31E/ref=gbps_tit_m-8_d94e_425cb86a?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&p

f_rd_p=4d3ae7cf-3400-4f74-a439-6d7051a8d94e&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-8&pf_r

d_t=101&pf_rd_i=161428031&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&p f_rd_r=PFD63DQGE4C6PCZSDMTC

Yes. Very useful. I have one in the workshop and it also sometimes goes
out. No complaints.

Bill

On 15/11/16 18:13, Ron wrote:
Is this any good for a Christmas present?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC


Get the blue version:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-10-8-.../dp/B00BN8BYI0

I have that and it is *surprisingly* good for its size.

On 15/11/2016 18:13, Ron wrote:
Is this any good for a Christmas present?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC


Depends what the recipient already has. For general DIY work I would say
that a hammer drill is more useful. I am a late comer to cordless
drills which I have bought in special offers. I have found them
convenient. My main concern is battery life when they are not used very
much.


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On 15/11/2016 21:51, Michael Chare wrote:
On 15/11/2016 18:13, Ron wrote:
Is this any good for a Christmas present?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC



Depends what the recipient already has. For general DIY work I would say
that a hammer drill is more useful. I am a late comer to cordless
drills which I have bought in special offers. I have found them
convenient. My main concern is battery life when they are not used very
much.

That is where Li-Ion wins - it does not auto discharge quickly like
NiMh, and had better capacity (usually) than NiCd. So its better for
occasional use.


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says...

On 15/11/2016 18:13, Ron wrote:
Is this any good for a Christmas present?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC


Depends what the recipient already has. For general DIY work I would say
that a hammer drill is more useful. I am a late comer to cordless
drills which I have bought in special offers. I have found them
convenient. My main concern is battery life when they are not used very
much.

That depends on what your walls are made of.

I have to use an SDS+, so a non-hammer cordless would be
fine for other jobs.

Yes, if your mate is an octupuss he might need several.
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On 15/11/2016 22:57, John Rumm wrote:

That is where Li-Ion wins - it does not auto discharge quickly like
NiMh, and had better capacity (usually) than NiCd. So its better for
occasional use.


Corded is even better from that point of view. For *very* occasional
use, the added hassle of having to use an extension lead is far less
than the hassle of having to charge it before use or, worse still,
having to throw it away because the battery is knackered.

In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
That is where Li-Ion wins - it does not auto discharge quickly like
NiMh, and had better capacity (usually) than NiCd. So its better for
occasional use.

Is it too soon to say what the overall life is likely to be? Although this
was very variable with older types of re-chargeables too.

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In article ,
Sam Plusnet wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 15/11/2016 18:13, Ron wrote:
Is this any good for a Christmas present?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC


Depends what the recipient already has. For general DIY work I would
say that a hammer drill is more useful. I am a late comer to
cordless drills which I have bought in special offers. I have found
them convenient. My main concern is battery life when they are not
used very much.

That depends on what your walls are made of.

I have to use an SDS+, so a non-hammer cordless would be fine for other
jobs.

I'd agree with that. IMHO walls seem to come in two types only. Soft
enough to be drilled with a non SDS - in which case a decent bit in a non
hammer drill will work ok. And those so hard only an SDS will work.

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On 16/11/2016 10:23, GB wrote:
On 15/11/2016 22:57, John Rumm wrote:

That is where Li-Ion wins - it does not auto discharge quickly like
NiMh, and had better capacity (usually) than NiCd. So its better for
occasional use.


Corded is even better from that point of view. For *very* occasional
use, the added hassle of having to use an extension lead is far less
than the hassle of having to charge it before use or, worse still,
having to throw it away because the battery is knackered.

I find that the extra versatility of a cordless tool wins over corded
even for occasional use. Corded tools tend to have less good control and
low speed torque, and are not as good for screwdriving IME.

I have a couple of "ordinary" corded drills - can't recall when I used
either of them last. (I use the mains SDS and Core drill though)



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On 11/16/2016 10:35 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Sam Plusnet wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 15/11/2016 18:13, Ron wrote:
Is this any good for a Christmas present?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC


Depends what the recipient already has. For general DIY work I would
say that a hammer drill is more useful. I am a late comer to
cordless drills which I have bought in special offers. I have found
them convenient. My main concern is battery life when they are not
used very much.

That depends on what your walls are made of.

I have to use an SDS+, so a non-hammer cordless would be fine for other
jobs.

I'd agree with that. IMHO walls seem to come in two types only. Soft
enough to be drilled with a non SDS - in which case a decent bit in a non
hammer drill will work ok. And those so hard only an SDS will work.

Really? I think there are three sorts.

Lighweight blocks, which are fine with a cordless non-hammer. Don't even
need carbide bits, HSS will work.

Ordinary brick and blocks, needs a hammer drill. May be slow with a
cordless, for larger bits. I still often use a corded here.

Engineering bricks, traditional Breeze Block from 1960's, many types of
stone. SDS is your friend.

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:33:01 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
That is where Li-Ion wins - it does not auto discharge quickly like
NiMh, and had better capacity (usually) than NiCd. So its better for
occasional use.

Is it too soon to say what the overall life is likely to be? Although this
was very variable with older types of re-chargeables too.

Powercraft 14.4V combi - 2 years; Makita 18V combi - 6 years; green Bosch
7.2V DD - 19years! All NiCad. Current blue Bosch 10.8V & 18V Li - too soon.
Floureon 18V for Mak - not yet out of first charge.
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On 16/11/2016 16:14, PeterC wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:33:01 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
John Rumm wrote:
That is where Li-Ion wins - it does not auto discharge quickly like
NiMh, and had better capacity (usually) than NiCd. So its better for
occasional use.

Is it too soon to say what the overall life is likely to be? Although this
was very variable with older types of re-chargeables too.

Powercraft 14.4V combi - 2 years; Makita 18V combi - 6 years; green Bosch
7.2V DD - 19years! All NiCad. Current blue Bosch 10.8V & 18V Li - too soon.
Floureon 18V for Mak - not yet out of first charge.

Had a Mak TDS020 7.2V impact driver for quite a few years - it gets very
occasional use. Batteries still going strong, and always charged when I
pick it up.


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On 16/11/2016 14:36, newshound wrote:
On 11/16/2016 10:35 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Sam Plusnet wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 15/11/2016 18:13, Ron wrote:
Is this any good for a Christmas present?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC



Depends what the recipient already has. For general DIY work I would
say that a hammer drill is more useful. I am a late comer to
cordless drills which I have bought in special offers. I have found
them convenient. My main concern is battery life when they are not
used very much.

That depends on what your walls are made of.

I have to use an SDS+, so a non-hammer cordless would be fine for other
jobs.

I'd agree with that. IMHO walls seem to come in two types only. Soft
enough to be drilled with a non SDS - in which case a decent bit in a non
hammer drill will work ok. And those so hard only an SDS will work.

Really? I think there are three sorts.

Lighweight blocks, which are fine with a cordless non-hammer. Don't even
need carbide bits, HSS will work.

Ordinary brick and blocks, needs a hammer drill. May be slow with a
cordless, for larger bits. I still often use a corded here.

Engineering bricks, traditional Breeze Block from 1960's, many types of
stone. SDS is your friend.

I have found that the Bosch multi material bits will drill hard masonry
things in the 18V combi cordless that I had previously dismissed as
un-drillable without the SDS.

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On 15/11/2016 18:46, Tim+ wrote:
jim k wrote:
"Ron" Wrote in message:
Is this any good for a Christmas present?

https://www.amazo.....

Depends who you give it to....
;-)

Indeed. My wife probably wouldn't appreciate it. ;-)

Tim

Do they not come with egg-beating and stirring
attachments ?.

In article , Andrew97d-
says...

On 15/11/2016 18:46, Tim+ wrote:
jim k wrote:
"Ron" Wrote in message:
Is this any good for a Christmas present?

https://www.amazo.....

Depends who you give it to....
;-)

Indeed. My wife probably wouldn't appreciate it. ;-)

Tim

Do they not come with egg-beating and stirring
attachments ?.

There's enough stirring in uk.d-i-y to suit anyone.

On 16/11/16 16:57, Andrew wrote:

Indeed. My wife probably wouldn't appreciate it. ;-)

Tim

Do they not come with egg-beating and stirring
attachments ?.

My ex certainly came with husband beating and stirring attachments.

Not sure about eggs though.

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