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jim k wrote:
"Ron" Wrote in message: Is this any good for a Christmas present? https://www.amazo..... Depends who you give it to....;-) Indeed. My wife probably wouldn't appreciate it. ;-) Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
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"Ron" Wrote in message:
Is this any good for a Christmas present? https://www.amazo..... Depends who you give it to.... ;-) -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 15/11/2016 18:46, Tim+ wrote:
jim k wrote: "Ron" Wrote in message: Is this any good for a Christmas present? https://www.amazo..... Depends who you give it to.... ;-) Indeed. My wife probably wouldn't appreciate it. ;-) To right, she should expect a blue one ;-) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 11/15/2016 6:13 PM, Ron wrote:
Is this any good for a Christmas present? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC Unless I am mistaken, this is *not* an impact one. To my mind, you would be better off with a drill/driver if you just want a single tool, preferably one with an impact drill (usual terminology: combi) if you are ever likely to do masonry. If you are screwing into a lot of timber (rather than just assembling flat pack furniture, for example) then I would *strongly* recommend something like this http://www.argos.co.uk/product/3794801 but then you would *also* want a combi drill which takes the same batteries. I should say that I *used* to be slightly skeptical about these devices except for pro's like Dave who do a lot of decking, until I actually got one myself. If you get a decent make like Makita they are *so* much more controllable (as well as powerful) for screwing compared to a basic combi. You do need to buy decent bits for them, though, and even so they won't last as long. |
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On 11/15/2016 8:23 PM, newshound wrote:
On 11/15/2016 6:13 PM, Ron wrote: Is this any good for a Christmas present? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC Unless I am mistaken, this is *not* an impact one. To my mind, you would be better off with a drill/driver if you just want a single tool, preferably one with an impact drill (usual terminology: combi) if you are ever likely to do masonry. If you are screwing into a lot of timber (rather than just assembling flat pack furniture, for example) then I would *strongly* recommend something like this http://www.argos.co.uk/product/3794801 but then you would *also* want a combi drill which takes the same batteries. I should say that I *used* to be slightly skeptical about these devices except for pro's like Dave who do a lot of decking, until I actually got one myself. If you get a decent make like Makita they are *so* much more controllable (as well as powerful) for screwing compared to a basic combi. You do need to buy decent bits for them, though, and even so they won't last as long. Oops sorry, just polishing off a bottle of red and originally identified the OP as a just simple non impact screwdriver. As a first drill driver for light DIY that would be very reasonable. Lidl and Aldi offers are also good, and would give you impact drilling and maybe a spare battery for the same money. Second battery is very useful if you are doing a lot of work. Some people are a bit sniffy about Bosch Green (rather than Blue, which is higher spec) but I have several Bosch Green devices and they fine. |
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On 15/11/2016 18:13, Ron wrote:
Is this any good for a Christmas present? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...n-Featuring-Ba ttery/dp/B005X6X31E/ref=gbps_tit_m-8_d94e_425cb86a?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&p f_rd_p=4d3ae7cf-3400-4f74-a439-6d7051a8d94e&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-8&pf_r d_t=101&pf_rd_i=161428031&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&p f_rd_r=PFD63DQGE4C6PCZSDMTC Yes. Very useful. I have one in the workshop and it also sometimes goes out. No complaints. Bill |
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On 15/11/16 18:13, Ron wrote:
Is this any good for a Christmas present? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC Get the blue version: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-10-8-.../dp/B00BN8BYI0 I have that and it is *surprisingly* good for its size. |
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On 15/11/2016 18:13, Ron wrote:
Is this any good for a Christmas present? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC Depends what the recipient already has. For general DIY work I would say that a hammer drill is more useful. I am a late comer to cordless drills which I have bought in special offers. I have found them convenient. My main concern is battery life when they are not used very much. -- Michael Chare --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On 15/11/2016 21:51, Michael Chare wrote:
On 15/11/2016 18:13, Ron wrote: Is this any good for a Christmas present? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC Depends what the recipient already has. For general DIY work I would say that a hammer drill is more useful. I am a late comer to cordless drills which I have bought in special offers. I have found them convenient. My main concern is battery life when they are not used very much. That is where Li-Ion wins - it does not auto discharge quickly like NiMh, and had better capacity (usually) than NiCd. So its better for occasional use. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "jim" k wrote in message o.uk... "Ron" Wrote in message: Is this any good for a Christmas present? https://www.amazo..... Depends who you give it to....;-) -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 15/11/2016 22:57, John Rumm wrote:
That is where Li-Ion wins - it does not auto discharge quickly like NiMh, and had better capacity (usually) than NiCd. So its better for occasional use. Corded is even better from that point of view. For *very* occasional use, the added hassle of having to use an extension lead is far less than the hassle of having to charge it before use or, worse still, having to throw it away because the battery is knackered. |
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John Rumm wrote: That is where Li-Ion wins - it does not auto discharge quickly like NiMh, and had better capacity (usually) than NiCd. So its better for occasional use. Is it too soon to say what the overall life is likely to be? Although this was very variable with older types of re-chargeables too. -- *Verbs HAS to agree with their subjects * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... On 15/11/2016 18:13, Ron wrote: Is this any good for a Christmas present? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC Depends what the recipient already has. For general DIY work I would say that a hammer drill is more useful. I am a late comer to cordless drills which I have bought in special offers. I have found them convenient. My main concern is battery life when they are not used very much. That depends on what your walls are made of. I have to use an SDS+, so a non-hammer cordless would be fine for other jobs. I'd agree with that. IMHO walls seem to come in two types only. Soft enough to be drilled with a non SDS - in which case a decent bit in a non hammer drill will work ok. And those so hard only an SDS will work. -- *I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 16/11/2016 10:23, GB wrote:
On 15/11/2016 22:57, John Rumm wrote: That is where Li-Ion wins - it does not auto discharge quickly like NiMh, and had better capacity (usually) than NiCd. So its better for occasional use. Corded is even better from that point of view. For *very* occasional use, the added hassle of having to use an extension lead is far less than the hassle of having to charge it before use or, worse still, having to throw it away because the battery is knackered. I find that the extra versatility of a cordless tool wins over corded even for occasional use. Corded tools tend to have less good control and low speed torque, and are not as good for screwdriving IME. I have a couple of "ordinary" corded drills - can't recall when I used either of them last. (I use the mains SDS and Core drill though) -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 11/16/2016 10:35 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... On 15/11/2016 18:13, Ron wrote: Is this any good for a Christmas present? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC Depends what the recipient already has. For general DIY work I would say that a hammer drill is more useful. I am a late comer to cordless drills which I have bought in special offers. I have found them convenient. My main concern is battery life when they are not used very much. That depends on what your walls are made of. I have to use an SDS+, so a non-hammer cordless would be fine for other jobs. I'd agree with that. IMHO walls seem to come in two types only. Soft enough to be drilled with a non SDS - in which case a decent bit in a non hammer drill will work ok. And those so hard only an SDS will work. Really? I think there are three sorts. Lighweight blocks, which are fine with a cordless non-hammer. Don't even need carbide bits, HSS will work. Ordinary brick and blocks, needs a hammer drill. May be slow with a cordless, for larger bits. I still often use a corded here. Engineering bricks, traditional Breeze Block from 1960's, many types of stone. SDS is your friend. |
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:33:01 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , John Rumm wrote: That is where Li-Ion wins - it does not auto discharge quickly like NiMh, and had better capacity (usually) than NiCd. So its better for occasional use. Is it too soon to say what the overall life is likely to be? Although this was very variable with older types of re-chargeables too. Powercraft 14.4V combi - 2 years; Makita 18V combi - 6 years; green Bosch 7.2V DD - 19years! All NiCad. Current blue Bosch 10.8V & 18V Li - too soon. Floureon 18V for Mak - not yet out of first charge. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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On 16/11/2016 16:14, PeterC wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 10:33:01 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , John Rumm wrote: That is where Li-Ion wins - it does not auto discharge quickly like NiMh, and had better capacity (usually) than NiCd. So its better for occasional use. Is it too soon to say what the overall life is likely to be? Although this was very variable with older types of re-chargeables too. Powercraft 14.4V combi - 2 years; Makita 18V combi - 6 years; green Bosch 7.2V DD - 19years! All NiCad. Current blue Bosch 10.8V & 18V Li - too soon. Floureon 18V for Mak - not yet out of first charge. Had a Mak TDS020 7.2V impact driver for quite a few years - it gets very occasional use. Batteries still going strong, and always charged when I pick it up. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 16/11/2016 14:36, newshound wrote:
On 11/16/2016 10:35 AM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Sam Plusnet wrote: In article , says... On 15/11/2016 18:13, Ron wrote: Is this any good for a Christmas present? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Cordl...QGE4C6PCZSDMTC Depends what the recipient already has. For general DIY work I would say that a hammer drill is more useful. I am a late comer to cordless drills which I have bought in special offers. I have found them convenient. My main concern is battery life when they are not used very much. That depends on what your walls are made of. I have to use an SDS+, so a non-hammer cordless would be fine for other jobs. I'd agree with that. IMHO walls seem to come in two types only. Soft enough to be drilled with a non SDS - in which case a decent bit in a non hammer drill will work ok. And those so hard only an SDS will work. Really? I think there are three sorts. Lighweight blocks, which are fine with a cordless non-hammer. Don't even need carbide bits, HSS will work. Ordinary brick and blocks, needs a hammer drill. May be slow with a cordless, for larger bits. I still often use a corded here. Engineering bricks, traditional Breeze Block from 1960's, many types of stone. SDS is your friend. I have found that the Bosch multi material bits will drill hard masonry things in the 18V combi cordless that I had previously dismissed as un-drillable without the SDS. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On 15/11/2016 18:46, Tim+ wrote:
jim k wrote: "Ron" Wrote in message: Is this any good for a Christmas present? https://www.amazo..... Depends who you give it to.... ;-) Indeed. My wife probably wouldn't appreciate it. ;-) Tim Do they not come with egg-beating and stirring attachments ?. |
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says... On 15/11/2016 18:46, Tim+ wrote: jim k wrote: "Ron" Wrote in message: Is this any good for a Christmas present? https://www.amazo..... Depends who you give it to.... ;-) Indeed. My wife probably wouldn't appreciate it. ;-) Tim Do they not come with egg-beating and stirring attachments ?. There's enough stirring in uk.d-i-y to suit anyone. |
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On 16/11/16 16:57, Andrew wrote:
Indeed. My wife probably wouldn't appreciate it. ;-) Tim Do they not come with egg-beating and stirring attachments ?. My ex certainly came with husband beating and stirring attachments. Not sure about eggs though. -- Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? Josef Stalin |
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