I'm getting right ****ed off with the media (and have been for some
time). It's mostly biased sensationalist tripe where the headline is a
far far offbeat interpretation of even the words contained within story
below, let alone other versions of the same story.

If I wanted to read patronising biased ****e, I'd buy the Sun.

Just in the process of dumping my subscription to The Times as Murdoch
has reduced even that to sensationalism.

The Indy seems not my better, which was a disappointment.

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety of
sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

On 11/13/2016 10:20 AM, Tim Watts wrote:
I'm getting right ****ed off with the media (and have been for some
time). It's mostly biased sensationalist tripe where the headline is a
far far offbeat interpretation of even the words contained within story
below, let alone other versions of the same story.

If I wanted to read patronising biased ****e, I'd buy the Sun.

Just in the process of dumping my subscription to The Times as Murdoch
has reduced even that to sensationalism.

The Indy seems not my better, which was a disappointment.

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety of
sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

The Financial Times is surprisingly good.
If you tweak for your particular preferences on Google news, that can
also be useful.

On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:20:57 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety of
sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

Reuters

On 13/11/16 21:06, Mark Allread wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:20:57 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety of
sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

Reuters


http://uk.reuters.com/ ?

OK - thank you! I'll give that a try. I never thought they might have an
"end user" website (I thought they only sold news to end user media
organisations).

On 13/11/2016 10:20, Tim Watts wrote:

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

Read the Torygraph _and_ the Grauniad.

Andy

In the UK is a little difficult.

Of the UK is easier, I use the Irish Times


AB

On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:20:57 +0000, Tim Watts
wrote:

I'm getting right ****ed off with the media (and have been for some
time). It's mostly biased sensationalist tripe where the headline is a
far far offbeat interpretation of even the words contained within story
below, let alone other versions of the same story.

If I wanted to read patronising biased ****e, I'd buy the Sun.

Just in the process of dumping my subscription to The Times as Murdoch
has reduced even that to sensationalism.

The Indy seems not my better, which was a disappointment.

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety of
sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

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Tim Watts wrote:
I'm getting right ****ed off with the media (and have been for some
time). It's mostly biased sensationalist tripe where the headline is a
far far offbeat interpretation of even the words contained within story
below, let alone other versions of the same story.

If I wanted to read patronising biased ****e, I'd buy the Sun.

Just in the process of dumping my subscription to The Times as Murdoch
has reduced even that to sensationalism.

The Indy seems not my better, which was a disappointment.

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety of
sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

Good luck. If you find one, let me know.

There was a time when the better papers reported the news. Comment on it
could be ignored or not. They all seem to combine the two now.

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En el artículo , Vir
Campestris escribió:

Read the Torygraph _and_ the Grauniad.

I used to do just that (and the BBC), but have you /seen/ the TG
recently? It's like a very, very bad version of Mail Online. All z-
list celeb crap, listicles and clickbait.

Like the OP, I've been looking for a good source of news.

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En el artículo , Huge
escribió:

On reflection, so does the Telegraph these days.

It's awful. I've stopped looking.

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En el artículo , Mark
Allread escribió:

Reuters

That looks worth a try. Thanks for the tip!

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En el artículo , Tim Watts
escribió:

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

I read a mix of sites daily to try and get a balanced view. Forgot
earlier to mention

https://www.rt.com/

be warned this is funded by the Kremlin, so it might just ever so
slightly have a smidgen of an inkling of a suggestion of a hint of bias.

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On Sunday, 13 November 2016 21:43:31 UTC, Tim Watts wrote:
On 13/11/16 21:06, Mark Allread wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:20:57 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety of
sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

Reuters


http://uk.reuters.com/ ?

OK - thank you! I'll give that a try. I never thought they might have an
"end user" website (I thought they only sold news to end user media
organisations).

Used to read Reuters over a valve shortwave radio. Life is so much easier now.


NT

Tim Watts wrote
Mark Allread wrote
Tim Watts wrote

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety
of sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

Reuters

http://uk.reuters.com/ ?

Fark, weird choice of editions.

OK - thank you! I'll give that a try. I never thought
they might have an "end user" website (I thought they
only sold news to end user media organisations).

On 14/11/16 01:06, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Vir
Campestris escribió:

Read the Torygraph _and_ the Grauniad.

I used to do just that (and the BBC), but have you /seen/ the TG
recently? It's like a very, very bad version of Mail Online. All z-
list celeb crap, listicles and clickbait.

Like the OP, I've been looking for a good source of news.


I hate the clickbait.

And the semi customised adverts like "Laser eye surgery takes Some
random town by storm" No it ****ing doesn't.

On 14/11/16 01:31, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Tim Watts
escribió:

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

I read a mix of sites daily to try and get a balanced view. Forgot
earlier to mention

https://www.rt.com/

be warned this is funded by the Kremlin, so it might just ever so
slightly have a smidgen of an inkling of a suggestion of a hint of bias.


Indeed - I do read that, with the mindset that it will be a contrary
viewpoint.

As has been observed, it seems that the democratising of news via biased
facebook and other media has in fact sounded the death knell to independent
reporting.
Everyone has a smart phone and the lazy folk in the media use the footage
no matter how one sided that may be.
Sadly since nobody wants to pay for news any more then nobody will employ a
reporter to go out and be shot at to collect it.
Brian

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I'm getting right ****ed off with the media (and have been for some time).
It's mostly biased sensationalist tripe where the headline is a far far
offbeat interpretation of even the words contained within story below, let
alone other versions of the same story.

If I wanted to read patronising biased ****e, I'd buy the Sun.

Just in the process of dumping my subscription to The Times as Murdoch has
reduced even that to sensationalism.

The Indy seems not my better, which was a disappointment.

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety of
sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

On Sunday, 13 November 2016 19:16:06 UTC, Tim Watts wrote:
I'm getting right ****ed off with the media (and have been for some
time). It's mostly biased sensationalist tripe where the headline is a
far far offbeat interpretation of even the words contained within story
below, let alone other versions of the same story.

If I wanted to read patronising biased ****e, I'd buy the Sun.

Just in the process of dumping my subscription to The Times as Murdoch
has reduced even that to sensationalism.

The Indy seems not my better, which was a disappointment.

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety of
sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

http://www.infowars.com/

On 14/11/16 07:47, Tim Watts wrote:
On 14/11/16 01:31, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Tim Watts
escribió:

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

I read a mix of sites daily to try and get a balanced view. Forgot
earlier to mention

https://www.rt.com/

be warned this is funded by the Kremlin, so it might just ever so
slightly have a smidgen of an inkling of a suggestion of a hint of bias.


Indeed - I do read that, with the mindset that it will be a contrary
viewpoint.

Its the same with all newspapers. They are not news. They are carefully
tailored opinions matched to the bigotry of a particular target market
that they nurture and intensify, whilst selling crap product to them.

Once you realise that it is occasionally possible to distil one percent
of actual fact from them.

E.g. I do believe there has been an earthquake in New Zealand, and
people have died. That all I know. The rest of the column inches are
garbage.

Once you realise that newspapers are there to sell advertisers product
to a given market sector by pandering to their bigotry, the nature of
their content becomes clear.

This is just as true of e.g. BBC and sky news.

Except the BBC is selling something slightly diffferent - a political
perspective.


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En el artículo , Tim Watts
escribió:

And the semi customised adverts like "Laser eye surgery takes Some
random town by storm" No it ****ing doesn't.

AdBlock Plus or uBlock and Ghostery will sort those, plus much more.

Yes, the Telegraph's own clickbait is irritating. The owners, the
Barclay brothers, are desperately trying to offload the business. The
way it's going, there won't be any business left to sell.

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On 14/11/16 08:55, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Tim Watts
escribió:

And the semi customised adverts like "Laser eye surgery takes Some
random town by storm" No it ****ing doesn't.

AdBlock Plus or uBlock and Ghostery will sort those, plus much more.

Yes, the Telegraph's own clickbait is irritating. The owners, the
Barclay brothers, are desperately trying to offload the business. The
way it's going, there won't be any business left to sell.

Telegraph has had it.

What little quality is left is now behind a 'premium' paywall, but its
not worth reading that much.

If adverstisers cant support it, customers wont.


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survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:25:55 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

On 13/11/16 21:06, Mark Allread wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:20:57 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety of
sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

Reuters


http://uk.reuters.com/ ?

OK - thank you! I'll give that a try. I never thought they might have an
"end user" website (I thought they only sold news to end user media
organisations).

They also have an app you can download to your phone (Android - don't
know about Apple). Its not bad and not too intrusive if you configure
the alerts properly. It has a similar look to the website.

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 01:07:35 +0000, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

En el artÃ*culo , Mark
Allread escribió:

Reuters

That looks worth a try. Thanks for the tip!

As mentioned above they also have an app that looks similar to the
website if you wanted to have something more mobile.

En el artículo , Mark
Allread escribió:

As mentioned above they also have an app that looks similar to the
website if you wanted to have something more mobile.

Ta.

I'm a bit old skool. Fire up a batch file on the PC that opens about 40
websites in tabs on Firefox while I make coffee in the morning. Mixture
of news, tech news, cartoons, fun, etc. I've added RT and Reuters now.

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On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 11:11:11 +0000, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

En el artÃ*culo , Mark
Allread escribió:

As mentioned above they also have an app that looks similar to the
website if you wanted to have something more mobile.

Ta.

I'm a bit old skool. Fire up a batch file on the PC that opens about 40
websites in tabs on Firefox while I make coffee in the morning. Mixture
of news, tech news, cartoons, fun, etc. I've added RT and Reuters now.

If I tried to open 40 tabs with the speeds I get here the system would
collapse!

Is the Register one of the tabs? I used to be an avid reader of BOFH but
now only read it occassionally.

En el artículo , Mark
Allread escribió:

If I tried to open 40 tabs with the speeds I get here the system would
collapse!

That's in addition to the 30 or so tabs I have open already.

2 second delay between each url to give it time to catch its breath.
And 40Mbps fibre.

Firefox is the only browser that can cope. Chrome goes bananas and
eventually locks the machine up. IE... well, it's IE. It's good for
spreading viruses and malware and not much else.

Is the Register one of the tabs?

Oh, yes

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On Monday, 14 November 2016 11:53:06 UTC, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Mark
Allread escribió:

If I tried to open 40 tabs with the speeds I get here the system would
collapse!

That's in addition to the 30 or so tabs I have open already.

2 second delay between each url to give it time to catch its breath.
And 40Mbps fibre.

Firefox is the only browser that can cope. Chrome goes bananas and
eventually locks the machine up. IE... well, it's IE. It's good for
spreading viruses and malware and not much else.

Is the Register one of the tabs?

Oh, yes

Even win98 & Opera could do 50 tabs.


NT

On Sunday, 13 November 2016 19:16:06 UTC, Tim Watts wrote:
I'm getting right ****ed off with the media (and have been for some
time). It's mostly biased sensationalist tripe where the headline is a
far far offbeat interpretation of even the words contained within story
below, let alone other versions of the same story.

If I wanted to read patronising biased ****e, I'd buy the Sun.

Just in the process of dumping my subscription to The Times as Murdoch
has reduced even that to sensationalism.

The Indy seems not my better, which was a disappointment.

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety of
sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

Harry ;-)

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 11:11:11 +0000, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

En el artículo , Mark
Allread escribió:

As mentioned above they also have an app that looks similar to the
website if you wanted to have something more mobile.

Ta.

I'm a bit old skool. Fire up a batch file on the PC that opens about 40
websites in tabs on Firefox while I make coffee in the morning. Mixture
of news, tech news, cartoons, fun, etc. I've added RT and Reuters now.

I tried to get the categories of interes as RSS feeds, but only a few had
feeds so it was hardly worth while. Pity, as it looks reasonable.
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whilst religions hold sway

Brian Gaff wrote

As has been observed, it seems that the democratising of news via biased
facebook and other media has in fact sounded the death knell to
independent reporting.

What has in fact killed independent reporting is the demand for instant
reporting
and the fact that no one is prepared to pay for that. They arent even
prepared to
continue to pay what they used to pay for a newspaper anymore. Me too.

I don’t even bother with the TV news at all anymore either,
its much more convenient to read the news online now and
be able to read what interests me and ignore what doesn’t.

Everyone has a smart phone and the lazy folk in the media use the footage
no matter how one sided that may be.

Nothing to do with lazy, everything to do with what people want to see.

Sadly since nobody wants to pay for news any more then nobody will employ
a reporter to go out and be shot at to collect it.

Plenty go there themselves and send the
news back to the places that want to use it.

We've just had one of our TV news operations get
the first major interview with Trump after his win.
And that operation employs a muslim too.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
I'm getting right ****ed off with the media (and have been for some
time). It's mostly biased sensationalist tripe where the headline is a
far far offbeat interpretation of even the words contained within story
below, let alone other versions of the same story.

If I wanted to read patronising biased ****e, I'd buy the Sun.

Just in the process of dumping my subscription to The Times as Murdoch
has reduced even that to sensationalism.

The Indy seems not my better, which was a disappointment.

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety of
sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

"Mark Allread" wrote in message
o.uk...
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:25:55 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

On 13/11/16 21:06, Mark Allread wrote:
On Sun, 13 Nov 2016 10:20:57 +0000, Tim Watts wrote:

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety of
sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

Reuters


http://uk.reuters.com/ ?

OK - thank you! I'll give that a try. I never thought they might have an
"end user" website (I thought they only sold news to end user media
organisations).

They also have an app you can download to your phone (Android - don't
know about Apple).

There are 4 on the apple, Reuters News, Reuters TV News, Reuters
Breakingviews, Reuters Medical News
and Thompson Reuters Eikon.

Its not bad and not too intrusive if you configure
the alerts properly. It has a similar look to the website.

On Monday, 14 November 2016 13:11:00 UTC, whisky-dave wrote:
On Sunday, 13 November 2016 19:16:06 UTC, Tim Watts wrote:
I'm getting right ****ed off with the media (and have been for some
time). It's mostly biased sensationalist tripe where the headline is a
far far offbeat interpretation of even the words contained within story
below, let alone other versions of the same story.

If I wanted to read patronising biased ****e, I'd buy the Sun.

Just in the process of dumping my subscription to The Times as Murdoch
has reduced even that to sensationalism.

The Indy seems not my better, which was a disappointment.

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety of
sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

Harry ;-)

Order Order?

http://order-order.com/

On 14/11/2016 08:22, Brian Gaff wrote:
As has been observed, it seems that the democratising of news via biased
facebook and other media has in fact sounded the death knell to independent
reporting.

If you have 20 minutes to spare John Oliver does quite a good analysis
of what is happening to journalism (despite being a Devout leftie, ex of
"The Daily Show") in general as a result of demise of investigative
print journalists, and the rise of "digital journalism".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq2_wSsDwkQ

Although it is a you tube link it is just a man talking to camera so can
be listened to as easily as watched.


Everyone has a smart phone and the lazy folk in the media use the footage
no matter how one sided that may be.
Sadly since nobody wants to pay for news any more then nobody will employ a
reporter to go out and be shot at to collect it.
Brian



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On 13/11/2016 10:20, Tim Watts wrote:
I'm getting right ****ed off with the media (and have been for some
time). It's mostly biased sensationalist tripe where the headline is a
far far offbeat interpretation of even the words contained within story
below, let alone other versions of the same story.

If I wanted to read patronising biased ****e, I'd buy the Sun.

Just in the process of dumping my subscription to The Times as Murdoch
has reduced even that to sensationalism.

The Indy seems not my better, which was a disappointment.

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety of
sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

Guardian, Al Jazeera, Private Eye and FT (I get a work paid sub). If I
want evidence to back up my bias, I subscribe to notifications from peer
reviewed journals - Elsevier has a decent range of open access titles.

For me , though, hard copy is always best - although I only get the 'Eye
regularly.

But obviously they all have an axe to grind. Just so long as it's my axe :-)

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In article , RJH writes
On 13/11/2016 10:20, Tim Watts wrote:
I'm getting right ****ed off with the media (and have been for some
time). It's mostly biased sensationalist tripe where the headline is a
far far offbeat interpretation of even the words contained within story
below, let alone other versions of the same story.

If I wanted to read patronising biased ****e, I'd buy the Sun.

Just in the process of dumping my subscription to The Times as Murdoch
has reduced even that to sensationalism.

The Indy seems not my better, which was a disappointment.

I'm suspecting a news aggregator of stories from a wider variety of
sources, including non UK, but in English, is the way to go.

But I'm not sure where to start - any suggestions?

Guardian, Al Jazeera, Private Eye and FT (I get a work paid sub). If I
want evidence to back up my bias, I subscribe to notifications from
peer reviewed journals - Elsevier has a decent range of open access
titles.

For me , though, hard copy is always best - although I only get the
'Eye regularly.

But obviously they all have an axe to grind. Just so long as it's my axe :-)

I agree with you about hard copy.
--
bert

En el artículo , pamela
escribió:

To say nothing of the slow pages and video delays I get on the
Telegraph site. Yes, my PC is a bit old but those pages shouldn't
be as overloaded as they are.

It's all the ads, spyware and trackers they load in the background. I
use Ghostery, a browser plugin that disables trackers and often it'll
block up to 26 trackers on Torygraph pages.

https://www.ghostery.com/our-solutio...ser-extension/

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