I've searched around for the answer to this but haven't found it as yet: is
there any regulation concerning placing a small wall-mounted 12V TV set in a
kitchen?

I have a blank area above a draining board, partly protected from splashes
and steam by a 6" deep shelf which runs the length of that wall. It seems
like the obvious place to mount a smallish TV, say 17" or so. There are
specially-designed water- and steam-proof sets intended for bathrooms but
would one of them be overkill for a kitchen? Is there any reason why I
shouldn't use a conventional set?

Many thanks.

On 02/09/16 09:30, Bert Coules wrote:
I've searched around for the answer to this but haven't found it as yet:
is there any regulation concerning placing a small wall-mounted 12V TV
set in a kitchen?

I have a blank area above a draining board, partly protected from
splashes and steam by a 6" deep shelf which runs the length of that
wall. It seems like the obvious place to mount a smallish TV, say 17"
or so. There are specially-designed water- and steam-proof sets
intended for bathrooms but would one of them be overkill for a kitchen?
Is there any reason why I shouldn't use a conventional set?

Many thanks.






Might be OK as there is not really that much steam emitted from a sink,
other than when you drain boiling water into it.
Try dumping a pan of water down the sink and see where the steam cloud goes.

On 02/09/16 11:11, Tim Watts wrote:
On 02/09/16 09:30, Bert Coules wrote:
I've searched around for the answer to this but haven't found it as yet:
is there any regulation concerning placing a small wall-mounted 12V TV
set in a kitchen?

I have a blank area above a draining board, partly protected from
splashes and steam by a 6" deep shelf which runs the length of that
wall. It seems like the obvious place to mount a smallish TV, say 17"
or so. There are specially-designed water- and steam-proof sets
intended for bathrooms but would one of them be overkill for a kitchen?
Is there any reason why I shouldn't use a conventional set?

Many thanks.






Might be OK as there is not really that much steam emitted from a sink,
other than when you drain boiling water into it.
Try dumping a pan of water down the sink and see where the steam cloud
goes.

I've had two kitchens with TVS so far. Mount high up LCDs beat CRTs for
safety .


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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I've had two kitchens with TVs so far. Mount high up LCDs
beat CRTs for safety.

Thanks. A small-screen LCD or similar set, perhaps slightly recessed into
the wall and with a shelf beneath, ought to be pretty safe, I think.

Bert

On 02/09/16 11:28, Bert Coules wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I've had two kitchens with TVs so far. Mount high up LCDs
beat CRTs for safety.

Thanks. A small-screen LCD or similar set, perhaps slightly recessed
into the wall and with a shelf beneath, ought to be pretty safe, I think.

Bert
Listening to one on a wall bracket right now. 20" or so.

Its above a kettle. Samsung. hasn't missed a beat. Best way to do
cooking is watching some crap like NCIS...

I SHOULD have got a smart one so I could watch stored videos on the
server, too..





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Thanks again.

The whole smart TV/central server/whole house distribution area is something
I'm trying to get into. I've been looking for a straightforward guide,
online or off.

Bert

On Fri, 02 Sep 2016 11:25:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 02/09/16 11:11, Tim Watts wrote:
On 02/09/16 09:30, Bert Coules wrote:
I've searched around for the answer to this but haven't found it as yet:
is there any regulation concerning placing a small wall-mounted 12V TV
set in a kitchen?

I have a blank area above a draining board, partly protected from
splashes and steam by a 6" deep shelf which runs the length of that
wall. It seems like the obvious place to mount a smallish TV, say 17"
or so. There are specially-designed water- and steam-proof sets
intended for bathrooms but would one of them be overkill for a kitchen?
Is there any reason why I shouldn't use a conventional set?

Many thanks.






Might be OK as there is not really that much steam emitted from a sink,
other than when you drain boiling water into it.
Try dumping a pan of water down the sink and see where the steam cloud
goes.

I've had two kitchens with TVS so far. Mount high up LCDs beat CRTs for
safety .

Nevermind safety, a TV won't last so long if it's damp all the time. Put it somewhere dry or get a damp proof one if it's not much more expensive.

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In article , James Wilkinson
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2016 11:25:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 02/09/16 11:11, Tim Watts wrote:
On 02/09/16 09:30, Bert Coules wrote:
I've searched around for the answer to this but haven't found it as
yet: is there any regulation concerning placing a small wall-mounted
12V TV set in a kitchen?

I have a blank area above a draining board, partly protected from
splashes and steam by a 6" deep shelf which runs the length of that
wall. It seems like the obvious place to mount a smallish TV, say
17" or so. There are specially-designed water- and steam-proof sets
intended for bathrooms but would one of them be overkill for a
kitchen? Is there any reason why I shouldn't use a conventional set?

Many thanks.






Might be OK as there is not really that much steam emitted from a
sink, other than when you drain boiling water into it. Try dumping a
pan of water down the sink and see where the steam cloud goes.

I've had two kitchens with TVS so far. Mount high up LCDs beat CRTs for
safety .

Nevermind safety, a TV won't last so long if it's damp all the time. Put
it somewhere dry or get a damp proof one if it's not much more expensive.

we've had a tv in our kitchen for years -but it isn't over the sink.

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On Fri, 02 Sep 2016 21:51:59 +0100, charles wrote:

In article , James Wilkinson
wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2016 11:25:38 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 02/09/16 11:11, Tim Watts wrote:
On 02/09/16 09:30, Bert Coules wrote:
I've searched around for the answer to this but haven't found it as
yet: is there any regulation concerning placing a small wall-mounted
12V TV set in a kitchen?

I have a blank area above a draining board, partly protected from
splashes and steam by a 6" deep shelf which runs the length of that
wall. It seems like the obvious place to mount a smallish TV, say
17" or so. There are specially-designed water- and steam-proof sets
intended for bathrooms but would one of them be overkill for a
kitchen? Is there any reason why I shouldn't use a conventional set?

Many thanks.






Might be OK as there is not really that much steam emitted from a
sink, other than when you drain boiling water into it. Try dumping a
pan of water down the sink and see where the steam cloud goes.

I've had two kitchens with TVS so far. Mount high up LCDs beat CRTs for
safety .

Nevermind safety, a TV won't last so long if it's damp all the time. Put
it somewhere dry or get a damp proof one if it's not much more expensive.

we've had a tv in our kitchen for years -but it isn't over the sink.

Do you ever have four pans boiling and the room full of steam? I guess if you have a decent extractor hood over the cooker and always use it you'd be fine.

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James Wilkinson wrote:

Never mind safety, a TV won't last so long
if it's damp all the time. Put it somewhere dry...

I don't believe that anything in my kitchen is damp all the time, and a
substantial number of items in the room never get damp at all. I don't see
that a TV would be exceptional in that regard,

On Sat, 03 Sep 2016 00:07:42 +0100, Bert Coules wrote:

James Wilkinson wrote:

Never mind safety, a TV won't last so long
if it's damp all the time. Put it somewhere dry...

I don't believe that anything in my kitchen is damp all the time, and a
substantial number of items in the room never get damp at all. I don't see
that a TV would be exceptional in that regard,

Well not all the time, but very damp for some of the time. 100% humidity. If you read the instructions on most electronic appliances, they say not to go over about 90%. Condensation on the circuit boards they don't like much.

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Tim,

Thanks for that. There's an extractor fan very close by, so steam shouldn't
really be a serious problem. And if I don't need to pay extra for a
specialist waterproof set, that's a pleasant bonus.

Bert

On Friday, 2 September 2016 11:25:46 UTC+1, Bert Coules wrote:
Thanks for that. There's an extractor fan very close by, so steam shouldn't
really be a serious problem.

Steam and grease will be deposited in the path to the extractor fan.

Main hazard is dropping the remote into the washing up. :-)

Personally I have installed 4 x data points and a sat point in the kitchen-to-be.

Owain

Thanks, Owen,

Main hazard is dropping the remote into the washing up. :-)

I did look at specialised bathroom TVs: on one model, a particular selling
point was that the remote is not only waterproof, it floats.

Bert

On 02/09/16 15:16, wrote:
On Friday, 2 September 2016 11:25:46 UTC+1, Bert Coules wrote:
Thanks for that. There's an extractor fan very close by, so steam shouldn't
really be a serious problem.

Steam and grease will be deposited in the path to the extractor fan.

Main hazard is dropping the remote into the washing up. :-)

+1. I have a shelf nearby...


Personally I have installed 4 x data points and a sat point in the kitchen-to-be.

Owain



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into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

In article ,
Bert Coules wrote:
I've searched around for the answer to this but haven't found it as yet:
is there any regulation concerning placing a small wall-mounted 12V TV
set in a kitchen?

I have a blank area above a draining board, partly protected from
splashes and steam by a 6" deep shelf which runs the length of that
wall. It seems like the obvious place to mount a smallish TV, say 17"
or so. There are specially-designed water- and steam-proof sets
intended for bathrooms but would one of them be overkill for a kitchen?
Is there any reason why I shouldn't use a conventional set?

I'd look for one with an external power supply. That converts 240v to the
low volts for the set, and have that out of the danger area. I'd not
really like the possibility of someone operating a mains switch with wet
hands while touching a good ground like a metal sink.

Or site it so high it can't be touched at all.

I have an LV in my kitchen that has such a power supply - but it's not
sited where you could touch it while working at the sink anyway.

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Dave Plowman wrote:

I'd look for one with an external power supply. That converts 240v to the
low volts for the set, and have that out of the danger area. I'd not
really like the possibility of someone operating a mains switch with wet
hands while touching a good ground like a metal sink.

Thanks for that: it's a good point, though there are already plenty of
mains-operated appliances in the kitchen and (so far) I've been wary enough
not to switch any of them on or off while my hands were wet.

Bert

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Bert Coules wrote:
I've searched around for the answer to this but haven't found it as yet:
is there any regulation concerning placing a small wall-mounted 12V TV
set in a kitchen?

I have a blank area above a draining board, partly protected from
splashes and steam by a 6" deep shelf which runs the length of that
wall. It seems like the obvious place to mount a smallish TV, say 17"
or so. There are specially-designed water- and steam-proof sets
intended for bathrooms but would one of them be overkill for a kitchen?
Is there any reason why I shouldn't use a conventional set?

I'd look for one with an external power supply. That converts 240v to the
low volts for the set, and have that out of the danger area. I'd not
really like the possibility of someone operating a mains switch with wet
hands while touching a good ground like a metal sink.

Or site it so high it can't be touched at all.

Or get real radical and use the remote to turn it off and on, you dinosaur.

I have an LV in my kitchen that has such a power supply - but it's not
sited where you could touch it while working at the sink anyway.

On 02/09/2016 09:30, Bert Coules wrote:
I've searched around for the answer to this but haven't found it as yet:
is there any regulation concerning placing a small wall-mounted 12V TV
set in a kitchen?

I have a blank area above a draining board, partly protected from
splashes and steam by a 6" deep shelf which runs the length of that
wall. It seems like the obvious place to mount a smallish TV, say 17"
or so. There are specially-designed water- and steam-proof sets
intended for bathrooms but would one of them be overkill for a kitchen?
Is there any reason why I shouldn't use a conventional set?

Many thanks.

It's continuous or near continuous steam that causes the problem. If the
steam is of short duration it won't do any harm.

Bill

Bill Wright wrote:

It's continuous or near continuous steam that causes the problem. If the
steam is of short duration it won't do any harm.

Thanks for that. I can't imagine there being any particularly continuous
steam: the kitchen doesn't get that sort of use.

Bert

I'd imagine it depends on whether you make a lot of splashes and steam in
that area. To me I've never liked mains powered radios and tvs in kitchens,
but to be fair none of my friends have ever electrocuted themselves or
damaged the equipment. If you do do this though you might want to see if
that area does get damp at any time before deciding and route all cables
well away from the sink.

Back in the day we used to have an old 13 inch trinitron set and it was
often used in a bathroom. One day when the push buttons broke I had need to
get inside and was amazed that the main chassis had spots of rust and
pealing plating on it, so obviously condensation did it no good at all, but
it never actually went wrong in a major way even then.
Brian

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"Bert Coules" wrote in message
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I've searched around for the answer to this but haven't found it as yet:
is there any regulation concerning placing a small wall-mounted 12V TV set
in a kitchen?

I have a blank area above a draining board, partly protected from splashes
and steam by a 6" deep shelf which runs the length of that wall. It seems
like the obvious place to mount a smallish TV, say 17" or so. There are
specially-designed water- and steam-proof sets intended for bathrooms but
would one of them be overkill for a kitchen? Is there any reason why I
shouldn't use a conventional set?

Many thanks.

Brian that's very reassuring. And even if the conditions did eventually
affect the set, with the money saved by not buying a special water- and
steam-proof telly I could probably replace a conventional set several times
if I ever had to...

Bert

On 02/09/16 15:22, Bert Coules wrote:
Brian that's very reassuring. And even if the conditions did eventually
affect the set, with the money saved by not buying a special water- and
steam-proof telly I could probably replace a conventional set several
times if I ever had to...

Bert

Think I paid £130 for mine.

Yup. Still there at Curries

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and-...27019-pdt.html

Smashing little kitchen set.

I remember when a 19" B & W TV with UHF was the bees knees...

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Brian Gaff wrote

I'd imagine it depends on whether you make a lot of splashes and steam in
that area. To me I've never liked mains powered radios and tvs in
kitchens,

But we do have a vast array of mains powered appliances used in the
kitchen now. And plenty of places allow combined kitchen laundrys too.

but to be fair none of my friends have ever electrocuted themselves

Don’t recall any examples of anyone much country wide having done that
either.

or damaged the equipment. If you do do this though you might want to see
if that area does get damp at any time before deciding and route all
cables well away from the sink.

I've got plenty of appliances including two microwaves and
two dishwashers close to the sink and the freezer too.

Back in the day we used to have an old 13 inch trinitron set and it was
often used in a bathroom. One day when the push buttons broke I had need
to get inside and was amazed that the main chassis had spots of rust and
pealing plating on it, so obviously condensation did it no good at all,
but it never actually went wrong in a major way even then.

"Bert Coules" wrote in message
...
I've searched around for the answer to this but haven't found it as yet:
is there any regulation concerning placing a small wall-mounted 12V TV
set in a kitchen?

I have a blank area above a draining board, partly protected from
splashes and steam by a 6" deep shelf which runs the length of that wall.
It seems like the obvious place to mount a smallish TV, say 17" or so.
There are specially-designed water- and steam-proof sets intended for
bathrooms but would one of them be overkill for a kitchen? Is there any
reason why I shouldn't use a conventional set?

Many thanks.

On Friday, 2 September 2016 09:30:31 UTC+1, Bert Coules wrote:

is
there any regulation concerning placing a small wall-mounted 12V TV set in a
kitchen?

No

would one of them be overkill for a kitchen? Is there any reason why I
shouldn't use a conventional set?

Splashes, steam, water vapour. And 240v is a no-no if too close to water.


NT

Thanks for that but these concerns have been answered by others, I think.

Bert

On 02/09/2016 09:30, Bert Coules wrote:
I've searched around for the answer to this but haven't found it as yet:
is there any regulation concerning placing a small wall-mounted 12V TV
set in a kitchen?

no.

I have a blank area above a draining board, partly protected from
splashes and steam by a 6" deep shelf which runs the length of that
wall. It seems like the obvious place to mount a smallish TV, say 17"
or so. There are specially-designed water- and steam-proof sets
intended for bathrooms but would one of them be overkill for a kitchen?

Probably - so long as its in a location where its not going to get
splashed all the time it should be fine.

Is there any reason why I shouldn't use a conventional set?

Not that I can think of.


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On 02/09/16 09:30, Bert Coules wrote:
I've searched around for the answer to this but haven't found it as yet:
is there any regulation concerning placing a small wall-mounted 12V TV
set in a kitchen?

I have a blank area above a draining board, partly protected from
splashes and steam by a 6" deep shelf which runs the length of that
wall. It seems like the obvious place to mount a smallish TV, say 17"
or so. There are specially-designed water- and steam-proof sets
intended for bathrooms but would one of them be overkill for a kitchen?
Is there any reason why I shouldn't use a conventional set?

Go custom.

Pull one apart and mount it either in the door of a microwave or fridge.

Hell, go touch sensitive and make it a computer monitor with a skype
webcam. Stare at someone longingly while waiting for the pasta to cook.

(Nope, they might think ya weird, sickening for something. Er, Food...)

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