In article ,
AndyHingston wrote:
I do agree with the "One Box" solution approach, assuming as others
have said that it meets the requirements and that is my dilema at
present!

While a one box solution makes installing simpler for unskilled or
cackhanded people like IMM - and will appeal to some pro installers by way
of increased profits - it ties you down to the maker for the inevitable
spare parts.

External components such as pumps, divertor valves and of course a
storage cylinder allow you to buy the finest available - and a choice of
makes at replacement time. And probably makes such replacement easier due
to better accessibility.

All to often a maker will withdraw support on a product in an attempt to
force new sales, before that product is truly worn out. So I'd prefer to
keep this possibility to a minimum.

Installing a new system on a DIY basis is really something it is worth
taking time and trouble getting absolutely right, as it should then have a
long, long life.

Of course if you are tight for space, a one box solution may be the
answer, but it is far from the 'one size fits all' ideal solution that our
resident clown is so keen to promote for reasons best known to himself.

--
*Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
AndyHingston wrote:
I do agree with the "One Box" solution approach, assuming as others
have said that it meets the requirements and that is my dilema at
present!

While

snip drivel

Misinformatiion not worth reading.

"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk" wrote in message
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AndyHingston wrote:

Duncan's trade, but I myself have served a 4 year Mechanical
Engineering Apprenticeship and am probably far more capable of making a
decent joint for a water/gas system than many so called "Professionals"

I am 100% in agreement with you Andy.
Being an ex Time served Agricultural engineer. With the advice of a
plumber friend I ripped out a Gravity fed single pipe Parkray back
boiler C/H system and replaced with fully pumped gas Back boiler with
"living flame" fire front.
Just got a friendly corgi chap to come in and connect gas meter to my
pipework.

I know by experience that if I was to employ a so called "Professional"
to install a system, then it is likely that he will do a shabby job and
I will regret.

Ohhh tell me about it. Current project had a "qualified" plumber do
plumbing that has subsequently been ripped out and done "professionally"
by yours truly and advice taken from this friendly bunch.

As I say this is "my experience" of employing people to do jobs around
the house, whether it is fencing, double glazing or I am sure plumbing.

There seems to be a far higher percentage of qualified persons that
bodge or do a "make do" job because "time is money" whereas the DIY'er
isn't working on a £150+ / day rate and would rather take time to do a
job to his/her accepted quality of workmanship.

Pete

Most DIY jobs I have seen do fall short of professional that is for sure.
You may do a pro equiv job, I don't know. Having been involved in an
engineering discipline does not make your craft skills adequate. You may
think it is wonderful, but a good pro may not think so. Being in
engineering should make you think about matters and at least understand and
work something out...."with advice", in 99% of cases.

There are some poor pipe fitters out there for sure, and some are
incompetent in design and calculations too. But I know many pros who will
always do a first class job.

I always push DIYers towards a one box solution, for obvious reasons.
Pushing a DIYer towards a complex solution that offers no more, and probably
a lot less and takes a hell of long time for him, than a simple one is
irresponsible.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
IMM wrote:

Most DIY jobs I have seen do fall short of professional that is for
sure.

Well

snip drivel

Misinformation not worth reading

"IMM" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
IMM wrote:

Most DIY jobs I have seen do fall short of professional that is for
sure.

Well

snip drivel

Misinformation not worth reading


But it would be nice, once in a while, for you to respond to the issues
raised and why it's 'misinformation', simple calling 'Black is White' and
White is Black' and then not arguing your corner doesn't wash with anyone
but those of simple mind.

(I would expect those who call 'Black is Black' and 'White is White' to
argue their corner, and they tend to do so.)

Perhaps it's a case of not being able to argue your corner, or perhaps you
are just of simple mind yourself ?....

The message
from ":::Jerry::::" contains these words:

re dIMM

Perhaps it's a case of not being able to argue your corner, or perhaps you
are just of simple mind yourself ?....

Right on both counts. :-)

--
Roger

IMM wrote:
"Alan James" wrote in message
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"IMM" wrote in message
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Superb for high pressure showers.

I agree, but the wait for hot water at the
WHB with a combi is still a pain
when you are in a hurry to get to work.

More old wives tales! Some combis have pre-hearted heat exchangers
and some
with small pre-heated hot water vessels to give pronto hot water at
taps.

And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder would be.
hence the wait for hot water.

MBQ

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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"IMM" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
IMM wrote:

Most DIY jobs I have seen do fall short of professional that is for
sure.

Well

snip drivel

Misinformation not worth reading


But it would be nice, once in a while, for you to respond

drivel is well...drivel.

"Roger" wrote in message
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The message
from ":::Jerry::::" contains these words:

re

snip drivel

Not worth reading

wrote in message
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IMM wrote:
"Alan James" wrote in message
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"IMM" wrote in message
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Superb for high pressure showers.

I agree, but the wait for hot water at the
WHB with a combi is still a pain
when you are in a hurry to get to work.

More old wives tales! Some combis have pre-hearted heat exchangers
and some
with small pre-heated hot water vessels to give pronto hot water at
taps.

And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder would be.
hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

The message
from "IMM" contains these words:

And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder would be.
hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

Yet another shortsighted piece of garbage from dIMM. Next he will be
putting the kitchen sink and anything else that uses hot water up in the
loft with it.

--
Roger

"IMM" wrote in message
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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"IMM" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
IMM wrote:

Most DIY jobs I have seen do fall short of professional that is
for
sure.

Well

snip drivel

Misinformation not worth reading


But it would be nice, once in a while, for you to respond

drivel is well...drivel.


But WHY is it drivel, teach us something (if you can) or are you just 'hot
air and drivel' yourself ?

In article ,
IMM wrote:
And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder would be.
hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

Brilliant. It will then be as far away from the kitchen as possible. And
the kitchen is likely to need hot water the most often.

Do you ever think before replying?

--
*Reality is the illusion that occurs due to the lack of alcohol *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
IMM wrote:
And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder would
be.
hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

Brilliant. It will then be as far away from the kitchen as possible. And
the kitchen is likely to need hot water the most often.

Do you ever think before replying?


Ah, but IMM probably lives in a bungalow which he cunningly designed to have
the bathroom next to the Kitchen, another one of those IMM 'one solution
fits all' answers...

In message , IMM
writes

More old wives tales! Some combis have pre-hearted heat exchangers
and some
with small pre-heated hot water vessels to give pronto hot water at
taps.

And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder would be.
hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

What, right next to the other one ?

--
geoff

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
IMM wrote:
And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder would be.
hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

Brilliant. It will then be as far away from the kitchen as possible. And
the kitchen is likely to need hot water the most often.

Do you ever think before replying?


You need a prize for not resorting to SNIP DRIVEL Dave. In this case it
would have been most appropriate

"Roger" wrote in message
k...
The message
from "IMM" contains these words:

And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder would
be.
hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

Yet

snip drivel

Misinformation not worth reading.

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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"IMM" wrote in message
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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"IMM" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
IMM wrote:

Most DIY jobs I have seen do fall short of professional that is
for
sure.

Well

snip drivel

Misinformation not worth reading


But it would be nice, once in a while, for you to respond

drivel is well...drivel.


But WHY

Normal people don't respond to drivel.!!

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
IMM wrote:
And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder would
be.
hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

Brilliant. It will

snip drivel

Misinformation not worth reading.
..

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
IMM wrote:
And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder would
be.
hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

Brilliant. It will then be as far away from the kitchen as possible. And
the kitchen is likely to need hot water the most often.

Do you ever think before replying?


Ah, but IMM probably lives in a bungalow which he cunningly designed to
have
the bathroom next to the Kitchen, another one of those IMM 'one solution
fits all' answers...

Unknowingly you have hit it. Houses designed for passive solar have all the
utility and storage rooms on the north side of the house.

"raden" wrote in message
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In message , IMM
writes

More old wives tales! Some combis have pre-hearted heat exchangers
and some
with small pre-heated hot water vessels to give pronto hot water at
taps.

And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder would be.
hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

What, right next to the other one ?

Maxie, where else?

In article ,
John wrote:
And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder would
be. hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

Brilliant. It will then be as far away from the kitchen as possible.
And the kitchen is likely to need hot water the most often.

Do you ever think before replying?


You need a prize for not resorting to SNIP DRIVEL Dave. In this case
it would have been most appropriate

I live in hope of tempting him into actually discussing something. As his
encyclopedic knowledge of maker's specs is sometimes quite useful. And
would love to discover it went beyond simply quoting other's material.
But sadly, I doubt it.

If I ever get bored enough, I'll find out what John *really* does do for a
living.

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*I don't have a solution, but I admire your problem. *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"John" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
IMM wrote:
And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder would
be.
hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

Brilliant. It will then be as far away from the kitchen as possible. And
the kitchen is likely to need hot water the most often.

Do you ever think before replying?

You

snip drivel

Misinformation not worth reading.

"IMM" wrote in message
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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"IMM" wrote in message
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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"IMM" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
IMM wrote:

Most DIY jobs I have seen do fall short of professional that
is
for
sure.

Well

snip drivel

Misinformation not worth reading


But it would be nice, once in a while, for you to respond

drivel is well...drivel.


But WHY

Normal people don't respond to drivel.!!


Normal people will tell others why they think something is wrong or
'drivel'...

"IMM" wrote in message
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
IMM wrote:
And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder
would
be.
hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

Brilliant. It will then be as far away from the kitchen as possible.
And
the kitchen is likely to need hot water the most often.

Do you ever think before replying?


Ah, but IMM probably lives in a bungalow which he cunningly designed to
have
the bathroom next to the Kitchen, another one of those IMM 'one solution
fits all' answers...

Unknowingly you have hit it.

Educated guess...

Houses designed for passive solar have all the
utility and storage rooms on the north side of the house.


Exactly, and it's also exactly why your suggestion is next to useless in 98
percent of British homes.

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
...

Ah, but IMM probably lives in a bungalow which he cunningly designed to
have
the bathroom next to the Kitchen, another one of those IMM 'one solution
fits all' answers...


His bathroom probably IS the kitchen.

"raden" wrote in message
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In message , IMM
writes

More old wives tales! Some combis have pre-hearted heat exchangers
and some
with small pre-heated hot water vessels to give pronto hot water at
taps.

And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder would be.
hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

What, right next to the other one ?

Two in the loft. One in the bathroom. One in the toilet and a pair in the
kitchen.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John wrote:
And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder would
be. hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

Brilliant. It will then be as far away from the kitchen as possible.
And the kitchen is likely to need hot water the most often.

Do you ever think before replying?


You need a prize for not resorting to SNIP DRIVEL Dave. In this case
it would have been most appropriate

I live in

snip off topic drivel

"Mike" wrote in message
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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Ah, but IMM probably lives in a bungalow which he cunningly designed to
have
the bathroom next to the Kitchen, another one of those IMM 'one solution
fits all' answers...


His bathroom probably IS the kitchen.

Such wit.

"Mike" wrote in message
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"raden" wrote in message
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In message , IMM
writes

More old wives tales! Some combis have pre-hearted heat exchangers
and some
with small pre-heated hot water vessels to give pronto hot water at
taps.

And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder would
be.
hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

What, right next to the other one ?

Two in the loft. One in the bathroom. One in the toilet and a pair in
the
kitchen.

See Maxie, he has few to sell.

"IMM" wrote in message
...

"Mike" wrote in message
...

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
...

Ah, but IMM probably lives in a bungalow which he cunningly designed
to
have
the bathroom next to the Kitchen, another one of those IMM 'one
solution
fits all' answers...


His bathroom probably IS the kitchen.

Such wit.

Good of you to notice :-)

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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"IMM" wrote in message
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":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
IMM wrote:
And most combis are further from the bathroom than a cylinder
would
be.
hence the wait for hot water.

Then put the combi in a more suitable place, like the loft.

Brilliant. It will then be as far away from the kitchen as possible.
And
the kitchen is likely to need hot water the most often.

Do you ever think before replying?


Ah, but IMM probably lives in a bungalow which he cunningly designed
to
have
the bathroom next to the Kitchen, another one of those IMM 'one
solution
fits all' answers...

Unknowingly you have hit it.

Educated guess...

Houses designed for passive solar have all the
utility and storage rooms on the north side of the house.


Exactly, and it's also exactly why your suggestion is next to useless in
98
percent of British homes.

Put the combi in the loft and have a secondary circulation pump to ensure
instant water at all taps.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
:::Jerry:::: wrote:
Normal people will tell others why they think something is wrong or
'drivel'...

IMM normal? Puleese...


Did I say he was normal, when has he (???!!!) ever told us why he thinks
something is either drivel or miss information ?

In article ,
IMM wrote:
Put the combi in the loft and have a secondary circulation pump to ensure
instant water at all taps.

I'm pondering why you're so keen on the 'one box' solution for simplicity
of fitting for useless plumbers and self proclaimed 'heating engineers'
who can't cope with external tanks, pumps and flow share valves, but
recommend using a secondary circulation pump and the extra pipework and
skills this involes?

Of course I don't expect an answer. To save your fingers for better things
I'll include a line for you to just quote:-

(snip drivel)

--
*All generalizations are false.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In message , Mike
writes

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
...

Ah, but IMM probably lives in a bungalow which he cunningly designed to
have
the bathroom next to the Kitchen, another one of those IMM 'one solution
fits all' answers...


His bathroom probably IS the kitchen.

It probably doesn't matter anyway, since he can never get his boiler to
work anyway

--
geoff

In message , IMM
writes

What, right next to the other one ?

Two in the loft. One in the bathroom. One in the toilet and a pair in
the
kitchen.

See Maxie, he has few to sell.

Well, that's one website you failed to read correctly then ...


--
geoff

IMM wrote:


Normal people don't respond to drivel.!!



What a snotty uni, lord snooty and his pals, expression to be sure.

Mike wrote:

":::Jerry::::" wrote in message
...

Ah, but IMM probably lives in a bungalow which he cunningly designed to

have

the bathroom next to the Kitchen, another one of those IMM 'one solution
fits all' answers...



His bathroom probably IS the kitchen.


He achieves his remarkable energy efficiency by never washing.

He runs his heating of the bacterial decomposition of his stale sweat
and verbal flatulence.

He read the word 'drivel' in a book once, but doesn't understand what it
means.

:::Jerry:::: wrote:

Normal people will tell others why they think something is wrong or
'drivel'...


Yor pooint being? something we don't know already?

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

If I ever get bored enough, I'll find out what John *really* does do for a
living.

I reckon he's a primary school teacher. And spare time child molester.