James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote

Aussies are pussies used to tropical weather and die below 10C
ambient.

Damn, could have sworn it didn't get above 10C a couple
of days ago and I appear to have survived that fine.

I saw an outdoor pool in Aussie news once where children
were not permitted to use it if it was under 20C for fear of
them dying or contracting pneumonia or some such bull****.

Just another hoax article in some pommy ****
rag and you were too stupid to even notice.

Looks like Southampton over here went mad in this way too:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...officials.html

We're not that stupid here.

Holy ****! Look at these temperatures, what are they trying to do, melt
the customers?

Nope, just cook them.

The coolest is 27C, you'd be pouring with sweat!
http://www.ozswimmingholes.com/wa_warm.htm

I don't pour with sweat when its 27C or even 30C either.

When its over 40C, its much cooler
in the water than out in the sun.

I vividly remember going for a swim in the local
pool early one summer and it was so ****ing cold
I thought my heart might stop. The school kids were
all there getting swimming lessons at the time.

You just proved my point - "so ****ing cold I thought my heart might
stop" - so you are a wimp.

But I didn't die when the ambient didn't get above 10C for some strange
reason.

On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:53:31 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote

Aussies are pussies used to tropical weather and die below 10C
ambient.

Damn, could have sworn it didn't get above 10C a couple
of days ago and I appear to have survived that fine.

I saw an outdoor pool in Aussie news once where children
were not permitted to use it if it was under 20C for fear of
them dying or contracting pneumonia or some such bull****.

Just another hoax article in some pommy ****
rag and you were too stupid to even notice.

Looks like Southampton over here went mad in this way too:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...officials.html

We're not that stupid here.

Bod! Aussie links here please. You've sent me plenty of this sort of **** happening over there....

Holy ****! Look at these temperatures, what are they trying to do, melt
the customers?

Nope, just cook them.

What is it with you lot and barbecues?

The coolest is 27C, you'd be pouring with sweat!
http://www.ozswimmingholes.com/wa_warm.htm

I don't pour with sweat when its 27C or even 30C either.

When its over 40C, its much cooler
in the water than out in the sun.

The above are water temperatures.

I vividly remember going for a swim in the local
pool early one summer and it was so ****ing cold
I thought my heart might stop. The school kids were
all there getting swimming lessons at the time.

You just proved my point - "so ****ing cold I thought my heart might
stop" - so you are a wimp.

But I didn't die when the ambient didn't get above 10C for some strange
reason.

So you're a mental wimp.

--
I once got the stuffing beat out of me fighting for a girl's honour.
She wanted to keep it.

On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:30:14 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"James Wilkinson" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 22:41:40 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"James Wilkinson" wrote in message
news On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 19:07:05 +0100, polygonum
wrote:

On 10/07/2016 13:39, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 07:38:37 +0100, polygonum
wrote:

On 09/07/2016 19:49, wrote:
On Saturday, 9 July 2016 19:27:51 UTC+1, James Wilkinson wrote:
My neighbour behind me has bought a hot tub in their back garden.
It sounds like a small engine, or a motor that's lost it's
bearings. And they leave it running 24/7. When I complained
politely, she wasn't aware I could hear it! I could hear it from
her street, through/over her house.

Are hot tubs meant to be loud?

No, generally it's just the occupants.

Not always loud occupants. My partner's uncle took to a hot tub in
the
last few months/years of his life - after he was widowed. Seemed to
really appreciate it.

Unfortunately he then died in his hot tub - and was not found for a
few
days. Very, very not loud then.

Did the hot tub kill him or did he just happen to be in it?

No-one knows if it contributed or not. Circumstances made an inquest
necessary but given his age, his health record (he was hypothyroid and
almost certainly under-medicated), etc., it really wasn't a completely
unexpected death.

An inquest into who?

An inquest into his death.

The manufacturer, incase the jets magically started sucking instead of
blowing and took him under the surface?

Not even possible to determine that.

Very easy.

Nope.

Where is the water,

It would remain in the hot tub regardless.

It could have splashed out in funny places in the workings of the machine, since it's flowing the wrong way.

is the motor damaged,

No reason why it would be damaged by running backwards.

It would if water got into the bits it's not meant to.

is there a short somewhere that could have reversed the direction of
water?

There can't ever be.

Any rewiring is possible if things come loose. Think of all that vibration.

A relative pushing him under?

Or that.

Bruise marks.

Trivially avoid by using a small cushion to push his
head under the water and taking it away with you.

Not everyone would think of that.

Or everyone would be doing it.

Nope, because most don't have any reason to kill their relative
or even someone they know who happens to use a hot tub.

I wasn't just thinking of hot tubs. Think of all that complicated murders that happen. Why not just drown them all in a bath?

Even you haven't done that with your back
neighbour so you can turn theirs off.

4 of them live there, I'd have to kill all of them to stop them using it.

--
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A: The undivided attention of a very large moth!

On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 22:49:26 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:



"James Wilkinson" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 20:59:16 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:



"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 23:18:22 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Sat, 09 Jul 2016 22:40:04 +0100, wrote:

On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 21:07:52 +0100, Tim Watts
wrote:

On 09/07/16 19:27, James Wilkinson wrote:
My neighbour behind me has bought a hot tub in their back garden.
It
sounds like a small engine, or a motor that's lost it's bearings.
And
they leave it running 24/7.
Are hot tubs meant to be loud?

No. From my experience of the Forest of Dean log cabins:


They make virtually no noise when just on the keep-warm cycle. Full
power should sound slooshy and gurgly. It should not be loud,
otherwise
lying in one is no fun.

As Wilkinson is Phucker then it is likely that he is confusing a hot
tub with an aeration pond in the sewage works adjacent to the Hovel he
lives in.

No, M'neighbour said it's a hot tub.

Put some bubble bath stuff in it one dark night? Spectacular in the
fountains in Trafalgar Square! http://tinyurl.com/zxg45mz

They might well retaliate by putting the cat amongst the parrots.

That wouldn't work, as their cat is actually mine but they adopted it.

All they need to do is adopt another and put that amongst the parrots.

They got a dog instead. He doesn't like cats much. It's his daughters that play with it.

--
Legalise drugs now and stop the crime
http://www.legalisedrugs.co.uk/

James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote

Aussies are pussies used to tropical weather and die below 10C
ambient.

Damn, could have sworn it didn't get above 10C a couple
of days ago and I appear to have survived that fine.

I saw an outdoor pool in Aussie news once where children
were not permitted to use it if it was under 20C for fear of
them dying or contracting pneumonia or some such bull****.

Just another hoax article in some pommy ****
rag and you were too stupid to even notice.

Looks like Southampton over here went mad in this way too:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...officials.html

We're not that stupid here.

Bod! Aussie links here please.

There aren't any of those here.

You've sent me plenty of this sort of **** happening over there....

Not that sort of **** he hasn't unless he has faked them.

Holy ****! Look at these temperatures, what are they trying to do, melt
the customers?

Nope, just cook them.

What is it with you lot and barbecues?

That isnt how barbys are done and it beats eating raw meat anyway.

The coolest is 27C, you'd be pouring with sweat!
http://www.ozswimmingholes.com/wa_warm.htm

I don't pour with sweat when its 27C or even 30C either.

When its over 40C, its much cooler
in the water than out in the sun.

The above are water temperatures.

Your original wasn't.

I vividly remember going for a swim in the local
pool early one summer and it was so ****ing cold
I thought my heart might stop. The school kids were
all there getting swimming lessons at the time.

You just proved my point - "so ****ing cold I thought my heart might
stop" - so you are a wimp.

But I didn't die when the ambient didn't get above 10C for some strange
reason.

So you're a mental wimp.

You never could manage a viable troll.

James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
polygonum wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
polygonum wrote
wrote
James Wilkinson wrote

My neighbour behind me has bought a hot tub in their back garden
It sounds like a small engine, or a motor that's lost it's
bearings. And they leave it running 24/7. When I complained
politely, she wasn't aware I could hear it! I could hear it from
her street, through/over her house.

Are hot tubs meant to be loud?

No, generally it's just the occupants.

Not always loud occupants. My partner's uncle took to a hot tub in
the last few months/years of his life - after he was widowed.
Seemed to really appreciate it.

Unfortunately he then died in his hot tub - and was not found for a
few days. Very, very not loud then.

Did the hot tub kill him or did he just happen to be in it?

No-one knows if it contributed or not. Circumstances made an inquest
necessary but given his age, his health record (he was hypothyroid
and almost certainly under-medicated), etc., it really wasn't a
completely unexpected death.

An inquest into who?

An inquest into his death.

The manufacturer, incase the jets magically started sucking instead of
blowing and took him under the surface?

Not even possible to determine that.

Very easy.

Nope.

Where is the water,

It would remain in the hot tub regardless.

It could have splashed out in funny places in the workings of the machine,
since it's flowing the wrong way.

Nope, all that would happen is that it comes out the inlet and
that has to be well under the water because otherwise it would
see the pump run dry if the tub wasn't filled with water.

is the motor damaged,

No reason why it would be damaged by running backwards.

It would if water got into the bits it's not meant to.

They can't. And those pumps can't run backwards anyway.

is there a short somewhere that could have reversed the direction of
water?

There can't ever be.

Any rewiring is possible if things come loose.

But the worst that can do is trip the breaker or
blow the fuse or see the pump stop working.

Think of all that vibration.

But they are good vibrations, stupid.

A relative pushing him under?

Or that.

Bruise marks.

Trivially avoid by using a small cushion to push his
head under the water and taking it away with you.

Not everyone would think of that.

Then those end up in jail and the ones who do don't.

Or everyone would be doing it.

Nope, because most don't have any reason to kill their relative
or even someone they know who happens to use a hot tub.

I wasn't just thinking of hot tubs. Think of all that complicated murders
that happen. Why not just drown them all in a bath?

Makes a lot more sense to have the body disappear completely.

Any modern first world country has literally thousands
of people just vanish from the face of the earth every
year. Some of those must be perfect murders.

Even you haven't done that with your back
neighbour so you can turn theirs off.

4 of them live there, I'd have to kill all of them to stop them using it.

So what are you waiting for ?

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:34:09 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
polygonum wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
polygonum wrote
wrote
James Wilkinson wrote

My neighbour behind me has bought a hot tub in their back garden
It sounds like a small engine, or a motor that's lost it's
bearings. And they leave it running 24/7. When I complained
politely, she wasn't aware I could hear it! I could hear it from
her street, through/over her house.

Are hot tubs meant to be loud?

No, generally it's just the occupants.

Not always loud occupants. My partner's uncle took to a hot tub in
the last few months/years of his life - after he was widowed.
Seemed to really appreciate it.

Unfortunately he then died in his hot tub - and was not found for a
few days. Very, very not loud then.

Did the hot tub kill him or did he just happen to be in it?

No-one knows if it contributed or not. Circumstances made an inquest
necessary but given his age, his health record (he was hypothyroid
and almost certainly under-medicated), etc., it really wasn't a
completely unexpected death.

An inquest into who?

An inquest into his death.

The manufacturer, incase the jets magically started sucking instead of
blowing and took him under the surface?

Not even possible to determine that.

Very easy.

Nope.

Where is the water,

It would remain in the hot tub regardless.

It could have splashed out in funny places in the workings of the machine,
since it's flowing the wrong way.

Nope, all that would happen is that it comes out the inlet and
that has to be well under the water because otherwise it would
see the pump run dry if the tub wasn't filled with water.

If the motor was malfunctioning, it probably squirted water out of itself into the electrics area.

is the motor damaged,

No reason why it would be damaged by running backwards.

It would if water got into the bits it's not meant to.

They can't. And those pumps can't run backwards anyway.

Some motors can. I'm sure the manufacturers all use slightly different ones.

is there a short somewhere that could have reversed the direction of
water?

There can't ever be.

Any rewiring is possible if things come loose.

But the worst that can do is trip the breaker or
blow the fuse or see the pump stop working.

One wire falling off something and touching another coil.

Think of all that vibration.

But they are good vibrations, stupid.

Only in the opinion of the bather, not necessarily the motor.

A relative pushing him under?

Or that.

Bruise marks.

Trivially avoid by using a small cushion to push his
head under the water and taking it away with you.

Not everyone would think of that.

Then those end up in jail and the ones who do don't.

Are you implying billions of murders take place with cushions and we never know? Let's take someone murdering their wife in their sleep. Can a doctor not tell that the victim was suffocated, and has no other reason to have stopped breathing?

Or everyone would be doing it.

Nope, because most don't have any reason to kill their relative
or even someone they know who happens to use a hot tub.

I wasn't just thinking of hot tubs. Think of all that complicated murders
that happen. Why not just drown them all in a bath?

Makes a lot more sense to have the body disappear completely.

Any modern first world country has literally thousands
of people just vanish from the face of the earth every
year. Some of those must be perfect murders.

Industrial shredders on farms?

Even you haven't done that with your back
neighbour so you can turn theirs off.

4 of them live there, I'd have to kill all of them to stop them using it.

So what are you waiting for ?

Your advice on best murder types.

--
Mary had a little lamb,
unfortunately it's dead.
So, now it goes to school with her
Between two bits of bread.

James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
polygonum wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
polygonum wrote
wrote
James Wilkinson wrote

My neighbour behind me has bought a hot tub in their back
garden It sounds like a small engine, or a motor that's lost
it's
bearings. And they leave it running 24/7. When I complained
politely, she wasn't aware I could hear it! I could hear it
from
her street, through/over her house.

Are hot tubs meant to be loud?

No, generally it's just the occupants.

Not always loud occupants. My partner's uncle took to a hot tub
in the last few months/years of his life - after he was widowed.
Seemed to really appreciate it.

Unfortunately he then died in his hot tub - and was not found for
a few days. Very, very not loud then.

Did the hot tub kill him or did he just happen to be in it?

No-one knows if it contributed or not. Circumstances made an
inquest
necessary but given his age, his health record (he was hypothyroid
and almost certainly under-medicated), etc., it really wasn't a
completely unexpected death.

An inquest into who?

An inquest into his death.

The manufacturer, incase the jets magically started sucking instead
of blowing and took him under the surface?

Not even possible to determine that.

Very easy.

Nope.

Where is the water,

It would remain in the hot tub regardless.

It could have splashed out in funny places in the workings of the
machine, since it's flowing the wrong way.

Nope, all that would happen is that it comes out the inlet and
that has to be well under the water because otherwise it would
see the pump run dry if the tub wasn't filled with water.

If the motor was malfunctioning, it probably squirted water out of itself
into the electrics area.

Not possible. The most it can do is stop pumping as well.

It can't even run backwards.

is the motor damaged,

No reason why it would be damaged by running backwards.

It would if water got into the bits it's not meant to.

They can't. And those pumps can't run backwards anyway.

Some motors can.

Not those used on hot tubs.

I'm sure the manufacturers all use slightly different ones.

None that run backwards whatever happens to the wiring.

And even if it did, that still just sees the water go backwards
and not as well as it does when running normally.

is there a short somewhere that could have reversed the direction of
water?

There can't ever be.

Any rewiring is possible if things come loose.

But the worst that can do is trip the breaker or
blow the fuse or see the pump stop working.

One wire falling off something and touching another coil.

The worst that can do is trip the breaker or
blow the fuse or see the pump stop working.

Think of all that vibration.

But they are good vibrations, stupid.

Only in the opinion of the bather, not necessarily the motor.

Motors don't have opinions.

A relative pushing him under?

Or that.

Bruise marks.

Trivially avoid by using a small cushion to push his
head under the water and taking it away with you.

Not everyone would think of that.

Then those end up in jail and the ones who do don't.

Are you implying billions of murders take place with cushions and we never
know?

No, billions don't want to murder anyone. And
there aren't billions in hot tubs where some can
push them under water and drown them either.

Let's take someone murdering their wife in their sleep. Can a doctor not
tell that the victim was suffocated, and has no other reason to have
stopped breathing?

Yes, but its different with someone in a hot tub where
it will always be obvious they drowned, but not so
obvious why their nose ended up in below the water
when someone has had enough of a clue to use a
small cushion to avoid any bruises on the head.

Or everyone would be doing it.

Nope, because most don't have any reason to kill their relative
or even someone they know who happens to use a hot tub.

I wasn't just thinking of hot tubs. Think of all that complicated
murders that happen. Why not just drown them all in a bath?

Makes a lot more sense to have the body disappear completely.

Any modern first world country has literally thousands
of people just vanish from the face of the earth every
year. Some of those must be perfect murders.

Industrial shredders on farms?

Variety of possibilities. You can just shred the
corpse and flush it down the dunny. You can
bury it somewhere. You can feed it to the pigs.
You can dissolve it and flush that.

Even you haven't done that with your back
neighbour so you can turn theirs off.

4 of them live there, I'd have to kill all of them to stop them using
it.

So what are you waiting for ?

Your advice on best murder types.

See above.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 18:17:01 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
polygonum wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
polygonum wrote
wrote
James Wilkinson wrote

My neighbour behind me has bought a hot tub in their back
garden It sounds like a small engine, or a motor that's lost
it's
bearings. And they leave it running 24/7. When I complained
politely, she wasn't aware I could hear it! I could hear it
from
her street, through/over her house.

Are hot tubs meant to be loud?

No, generally it's just the occupants.

Not always loud occupants. My partner's uncle took to a hot tub
in the last few months/years of his life - after he was widowed.
Seemed to really appreciate it.

Unfortunately he then died in his hot tub - and was not found for
a few days. Very, very not loud then.

Did the hot tub kill him or did he just happen to be in it?

No-one knows if it contributed or not. Circumstances made an
inquest
necessary but given his age, his health record (he was hypothyroid
and almost certainly under-medicated), etc., it really wasn't a
completely unexpected death.

An inquest into who?

An inquest into his death.

The manufacturer, incase the jets magically started sucking instead
of blowing and took him under the surface?

Not even possible to determine that.

Very easy.

Nope.

Where is the water,

It would remain in the hot tub regardless.

It could have splashed out in funny places in the workings of the
machine, since it's flowing the wrong way.

Nope, all that would happen is that it comes out the inlet and
that has to be well under the water because otherwise it would
see the pump run dry if the tub wasn't filled with water.

If the motor was malfunctioning, it probably squirted water out of itself
into the electrics area.

Not possible. The most it can do is stop pumping as well.

It can't even run backwards.

is the motor damaged,

No reason why it would be damaged by running backwards.

It would if water got into the bits it's not meant to.

They can't. And those pumps can't run backwards anyway.

Some motors can.

Not those used on hot tubs.

I'm sure the manufacturers all use slightly different ones.

None that run backwards whatever happens to the wiring.

How do you know this? How many ho tubs have you examined?

And even if it did, that still just sees the water go backwards
and not as well as it does when running normally.

A weak old man might get his toe caught and get sucked under :-)

is there a short somewhere that could have reversed the direction of
water?

There can't ever be.

Any rewiring is possible if things come loose.

But the worst that can do is trip the breaker or
blow the fuse or see the pump stop working.

One wire falling off something and touching another coil.

The worst that can do is trip the breaker or
blow the fuse or see the pump stop working.

Not if it used the same current.

Think of all that vibration.

But they are good vibrations, stupid.

Only in the opinion of the bather, not necessarily the motor.

Motors don't have opinions.

You know what I mean!

A relative pushing him under?

Or that.

Bruise marks.

Trivially avoid by using a small cushion to push his
head under the water and taking it away with you.

Not everyone would think of that.

Then those end up in jail and the ones who do don't.

Are you implying billions of murders take place with cushions and we never
know?

No, billions don't want to murder anyone. And
there aren't billions in hot tubs where some can
push them under water and drown them either.

Pillows can be used in beds or baths.

Let's take someone murdering their wife in their sleep. Can a doctor not
tell that the victim was suffocated, and has no other reason to have
stopped breathing?

Yes, but its different with someone in a hot tub where
it will always be obvious they drowned, but not so
obvious why their nose ended up in below the water
when someone has had enough of a clue to use a
small cushion to avoid any bruises on the head.

There aren't many reasons to drown in water a foot or so deep.

Or everyone would be doing it.

Nope, because most don't have any reason to kill their relative
or even someone they know who happens to use a hot tub.

I wasn't just thinking of hot tubs. Think of all that complicated
murders that happen. Why not just drown them all in a bath?

Makes a lot more sense to have the body disappear completely.

Any modern first world country has literally thousands
of people just vanish from the face of the earth every
year. Some of those must be perfect murders.

Industrial shredders on farms?

Variety of possibilities. You can just shred the
corpse and flush it down the dunny. You can
bury it somewhere. You can feed it to the pigs.
You can dissolve it and flush that.

Which works best for you?

Even you haven't done that with your back
neighbour so you can turn theirs off.

4 of them live there, I'd have to kill all of them to stop them using
it.

So what are you waiting for ?

Your advice on best murder types.

See above.

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Anything bigger than 4 inches is getting into the region where most people would have difficulty holding and using the device comfortably -- Callum Kerr, 2013.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 01:24:12 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote

Aussies are pussies used to tropical weather and die below 10C
ambient.

Damn, could have sworn it didn't get above 10C a couple
of days ago and I appear to have survived that fine.

I saw an outdoor pool in Aussie news once where children
were not permitted to use it if it was under 20C for fear of
them dying or contracting pneumonia or some such bull****.

Just another hoax article in some pommy ****
rag and you were too stupid to even notice.

Looks like Southampton over here went mad in this way too:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...officials.html

We're not that stupid here.

Bod! Aussie links here please.

There aren't any of those here.

Bod has plenty link of stupid things in Australia. I'll see if I can find one:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ren...b4e96992a04922

Holy ****! Look at these temperatures, what are they trying to do, melt
the customers?

Nope, just cook them.

What is it with you lot and barbecues?

That isnt how barbys are done and it beats eating raw meat anyway.

We have cookers.

The coolest is 27C, you'd be pouring with sweat!
http://www.ozswimmingholes.com/wa_warm.htm

I don't pour with sweat when its 27C or even 30C either.

When its over 40C, its much cooler
in the water than out in the sun.

The above are water temperatures.

Your original wasn't.

Yes it was.

I vividly remember going for a swim in the local
pool early one summer and it was so ****ing cold
I thought my heart might stop. The school kids were
all there getting swimming lessons at the time.

You just proved my point - "so ****ing cold I thought my heart might
stop" - so you are a wimp.

But I didn't die when the ambient didn't get above 10C for some strange
reason.

So you're a mental wimp.

You never could manage a viable troll.

I wasn't trolling. I was pointing out your mind can't handle something your body actually can.

--
A Pakistani woman was sexually assaulted yesterday. Police are still trying to find a motive.

James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
polygonum wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
polygonum wrote
wrote
James Wilkinson wrote

My neighbour behind me has bought a hot tub in their back
garden It sounds like a small engine, or a motor that's lost
it's
bearings. And they leave it running 24/7. When I complained
politely, she wasn't aware I could hear it! I could hear it
from
her street, through/over her house.

Are hot tubs meant to be loud?

No, generally it's just the occupants.

Not always loud occupants. My partner's uncle took to a hot tub
in the last few months/years of his life - after he was
widowed.
Seemed to really appreciate it.

Unfortunately he then died in his hot tub - and was not found
for
a few days. Very, very not loud then.

Did the hot tub kill him or did he just happen to be in it?

No-one knows if it contributed or not. Circumstances made an
inquest
necessary but given his age, his health record (he was
hypothyroid
and almost certainly under-medicated), etc., it really wasn't a
completely unexpected death.

An inquest into who?

An inquest into his death.

The manufacturer, incase the jets magically started sucking
instead
of blowing and took him under the surface?

Not even possible to determine that.

Very easy.

Nope.

Where is the water,

It would remain in the hot tub regardless.

It could have splashed out in funny places in the workings of the
machine, since it's flowing the wrong way.

Nope, all that would happen is that it comes out the inlet and
that has to be well under the water because otherwise it would
see the pump run dry if the tub wasn't filled with water.

If the motor was malfunctioning, it probably squirted water out of
itself
into the electrics area.

Not possible. The most it can do is stop pumping as well.

It can't even run backwards.

is the motor damaged,

No reason why it would be damaged by running backwards.

It would if water got into the bits it's not meant to.

They can't. And those pumps can't run backwards anyway.

Some motors can.

Not those used on hot tubs.

I'm sure the manufacturers all use slightly different ones.

None that run backwards whatever happens to the wiring.

How do you know this?

I know how they work.

How many ho tubs have you examined?

Don't need to examine any, just know what motors are used.

And even if it did, that still just sees the water go backwards
and not as well as it does when running normally.

A weak old man might get his toe caught and get sucked under :-)

Nope, hot tubs arent deep enough for that.

You don't get that effect with swimming pools either.

is there a short somewhere that could have reversed the direction of
water?

There can't ever be.

Any rewiring is possible if things come loose.

But the worst that can do is trip the breaker or
blow the fuse or see the pump stop working.

One wire falling off something and touching another coil.

The worst that can do is trip the breaker or
blow the fuse or see the pump stop working.

Not if it used the same current.

That's why I said THE WORST.

Think of all that vibration.

But they are good vibrations, stupid.

Only in the opinion of the bather, not necessarily the motor.

Motors don't have opinions.

You know what I mean!

A relative pushing him under?

Or that.

Bruise marks.

Trivially avoid by using a small cushion to push his
head under the water and taking it away with you.

Not everyone would think of that.

Then those end up in jail and the ones who do don't.

Are you implying billions of murders take place with cushions and we
never
know?

No, billions don't want to murder anyone. And there aren't billions in
hot tubs where someone can push them under water and drown them either.

Pillows can be used in beds

Even you should have noticed that there isnt a lot of water in most beds.

or baths.

If you try it in a bath you are much more likely to
end up with bruises on the body of the victim as
they resist you drowning them which would be
a tad of a giveaway about what you got up to.

Let's take someone murdering their wife in their sleep. Can a doctor
not tell that the victim was suffocated, and has no other reason to have
stopped breathing?

Yes, but its different with someone in a hot tub where
it will always be obvious they drowned, but not so
obvious why their nose ended up in below the water
when someone has had enough of a clue to use a
small cushion to avoid any bruises on the head.

There aren't many reasons to drown in water a foot or so deep.

Enough tho with someone fainting, having a heart
attack or stroke etc or their heart just stopped beating like
happened with my next door neighbour when he was 30.

Or everyone would be doing it.

Nope, because most don't have any reason to kill their relative
or even someone they know who happens to use a hot tub.

I wasn't just thinking of hot tubs. Think of all that complicated
murders that happen. Why not just drown them all in a bath?

Makes a lot more sense to have the body disappear completely.

Any modern first world country has literally thousands
of people just vanish from the face of the earth every
year. Some of those must be perfect murders.

Industrial shredders on farms?

Variety of possibilities. You can just shred the
corpse and flush it down the dunny. You can
bury it somewhere. You can feed it to the pigs.
You can dissolve it and flush that.

Which works best for you?

All of the above. The locals are into salami
pigs so there is no shortage of those.

Even you haven't done that with your back
neighbour so you can turn theirs off.

4 of them live there, I'd have to kill all of them to stop them using
it.

So what are you waiting for ?

Your advice on best murder types.

See above.

/R/ancid and
/O/blongly
/D/erelict

/S/oft sucker.
/P/uffy and
/E/nravishingly
/E/rrant
/D/anglin' wang.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:42:55 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
is there a short somewhere that could have reversed the direction of
water?

There can't ever be.

Any rewiring is possible if things come loose.

But the worst that can do is trip the breaker or
blow the fuse or see the pump stop working.

One wire falling off something and touching another coil.

The worst that can do is trip the breaker or
blow the fuse or see the pump stop working.

Not if it used the same current.

That's why I said THE WORST.

No, it's worse if the motor reverses using the same current, not blowing the fuse, and sucking him down to his almost certain death.

Think of all that vibration.

But they are good vibrations, stupid.

Only in the opinion of the bather, not necessarily the motor.

Motors don't have opinions.

You know what I mean!

A relative pushing him under?

Or that.

Bruise marks.

Trivially avoid by using a small cushion to push his
head under the water and taking it away with you.

Not everyone would think of that.

Then those end up in jail and the ones who do don't.

Are you implying billions of murders take place with cushions and we
never
know?

No, billions don't want to murder anyone. And there aren't billions in
hot tubs where someone can push them under water and drown them either.

Pillows can be used in beds

Even you should have noticed that there isnt a lot of water in most beds.

You can suffocate with a pillow apparently.

or baths.

If you try it in a bath you are much more likely to
end up with bruises on the body of the victim as
they resist you drowning them which would be
a tad of a giveaway about what you got up to.

Why would they resist less in a hot tub?

Let's take someone murdering their wife in their sleep. Can a doctor
not tell that the victim was suffocated, and has no other reason to have
stopped breathing?

Yes, but its different with someone in a hot tub where
it will always be obvious they drowned, but not so
obvious why their nose ended up in below the water
when someone has had enough of a clue to use a
small cushion to avoid any bruises on the head.

There aren't many reasons to drown in water a foot or so deep.

Enough tho with someone fainting, having a heart
attack or stroke etc or their heart just stopped beating like
happened with my next door neighbour when he was 30.

Heart attacks can be spotted by the coroner. No heart attack or reason for going under yourself, someone must have pushed you.

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On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:42:55 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
Rod Speed wrote
James Wilkinson wrote
is there a short somewhere that could have reversed the direction
of
water?

There can't ever be.

Any rewiring is possible if things come loose.

But the worst that can do is trip the breaker or
blow the fuse or see the pump stop working.

One wire falling off something and touching another coil.

The worst that can do is trip the breaker or
blow the fuse or see the pump stop working.

Not if it used the same current.

That's why I said THE WORST.

No, it's worse if the motor reverses using the same current,

Those motors don't.

not blowing the fuse, and sucking him down

Cant happen when they don't reverse.

to his almost certain death.

Not even possible.

Think of all that vibration.

But they are good vibrations, stupid.

Only in the opinion of the bather, not necessarily the motor.

Motors don't have opinions.

You know what I mean!

A relative pushing him under?

Or that.

Bruise marks.

Trivially avoid by using a small cushion to push his
head under the water and taking it away with you.

Not everyone would think of that.

Then those end up in jail and the ones who do don't.

Are you implying billions of murders take place with cushions and we
never
know?

No, billions don't want to murder anyone. And there aren't billions in
hot tubs where someone can push them under water and drown them either.

Pillows can be used in beds

Even you should have noticed that there isnt a lot of water in most beds.

You can suffocate with a pillow apparently.

Sure, but that leaves obvious evidence that you have done that.

With the hot tub there is no evidence that you have used
the cushion to ensure that the nose is under water and so
it isnt possible to distinguish that from something else like
fainting or the heart stopping that caused the nose to end
up under water and drowning like that.

or baths.

If you try it in a bath you are much more likely to
end up with bruises on the body of the victim as
they resist you drowning them which would be
a tad of a giveaway about what you got up to.

Why would they resist less in a hot tub?

Didn't say they did resist less. But there is less close
to them to bruise themselves on with the hot tub.

Let's take someone murdering their wife in their sleep. Can a doctor
not tell that the victim was suffocated, and has no other reason to
have stopped breathing?

Yes, but its different with someone in a hot tub where
it will always be obvious they drowned, but not so
obvious why their nose ended up in below the water
when someone has had enough of a clue to use a
small cushion to avoid any bruises on the head.

There aren't many reasons to drown in water a foot or so deep.

Enough tho with someone fainting, having a heart
attack or stroke etc or their heart just stopped beating like
happened with my next door neighbour when he was 30.

Heart attacks can be spotted by the coroner.

Not necessarily.

No heart attack or reason for going under yourself, someone must have
pushed you.

Nope, you could have fainted or your heart just stopped and
neither of those leave any evidence of that having happened.