I have a field that rumour has it has several major water mains running
under it. (Some are SE Water and some are Southern Water)

As I need to improve the drainage by re-instating field drains that have
failed from decades of neglect, I contacted both companies to ask if they
had accurate location plans so that I could ensure that I avoided them.

SE Water haven't deigned to respond yet, but Southern Water are telling me
they will only vouchsafe the information if I pay them a fat fee. Surely
this is wrong - certainly immoral. When I needed to know where UK Power
Networks had buried cables on the farm they cheerfully sent out a man to
mark out the cable runs, then presented me with a map f.o.c.

After all, all I'm trying to do is NOT disrupt their services

Andrew

In article , Andrew Mawson
wrote:
I have a field that rumour has it has several major water mains running
under it. (Some are SE Water and some are Southern Water)

As I need to improve the drainage by re-instating field drains that have
failed from decades of neglect, I contacted both companies to ask if they
had accurate location plans so that I could ensure that I avoided them.

SE Water haven't deigned to respond yet, but Southern Water are telling
me they will only vouchsafe the information if I pay them a fat fee.
Surely this is wrong - certainly immoral. When I needed to know where UK
Power Networks had buried cables on the farm they cheerfully sent out a
man to mark out the cable runs, then presented me with a map f.o.c.

After all, all I'm trying to do is NOT disrupt their services

Andrew
I hope they pay you for a wayleave to use your land.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On 7/7/2016 11:44 AM, Andrew Mawson wrote:
I have a field that rumour has it has several major water mains running
under it. (Some are SE Water and some are Southern Water)

As I need to improve the drainage by re-instating field drains that have
failed from decades of neglect, I contacted both companies to ask if
they had accurate location plans so that I could ensure that I avoided
them.

SE Water haven't deigned to respond yet, but Southern Water are telling
me they will only vouchsafe the information if I pay them a fat fee.
Surely this is wrong - certainly immoral. When I needed to know where UK
Power Networks had buried cables on the farm they cheerfully sent out a
man to mark out the cable runs, then presented me with a map f.o.c.

After all, all I'm trying to do is NOT disrupt their services

Andrew

And they know you have a big digger?

Well they have been warned!

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 11:43:53 AM UTC+1, Andrew Mawson wrote:
I have a field that rumour has it has several major water mains running
under it. (Some are SE Water and some are Southern Water)

As I need to improve the drainage by re-instating field drains that have
failed from decades of neglect, I contacted both companies to ask if they
had accurate location plans so that I could ensure that I avoided them.

SE Water haven't deigned to respond yet, but Southern Water are telling me
they will only vouchsafe the information if I pay them a fat fee. Surely
this is wrong - certainly immoral. When I needed to know where UK Power
Networks had buried cables on the farm they cheerfully sent out a man to
mark out the cable runs, then presented me with a map f.o.c.

After all, all I'm trying to do is NOT disrupt their services

Andrew

From a man who used to do that, and the billing for people who didn`t ask, for BT

Been advised that really want the full set of utilities to come out with their spray cans and mark what they know of.

Sure he told me there is some statuory obligation to do so, within limits of what their records indicate, actual position may be adrift and depth is never accurate.

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 11:43:53 AM UTC+1, Andrew Mawson wrote:
I have a field that rumour has it has several major water mains running
under it. (Some are SE Water and some are Southern Water)

As I need to improve the drainage by re-instating field drains that have
failed from decades of neglect, I contacted both companies to ask if they
had accurate location plans so that I could ensure that I avoided them.

SE Water haven't deigned to respond yet, but Southern Water are telling me
they will only vouchsafe the information if I pay them a fat fee. Surely
this is wrong - certainly immoral. When I needed to know where UK Power
Networks had buried cables on the farm they cheerfully sent out a man to
mark out the cable runs, then presented me with a map f.o.c.

After all, all I'm trying to do is NOT disrupt their services

Andrew

Asked said gent, statuory obligation to show where they enter your land bit more complex where they might run under for distance.

Did say should be able to find all major utilities maps online but take locations with a margin for error.

Metal detector, deviner perhaps?
I've actually seen, many years ago a person from a utility company using a
water deviner to help locate services and marking them in different colours
according to what they were. I was fascinated at the time but probably never
see them doing this nowadays, probably throw technology at it costing
megabucks.
Brian

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"Adam Aglionby" wrote in message
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On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 11:43:53 AM UTC+1, Andrew Mawson wrote:
I have a field that rumour has it has several major water mains running
under it. (Some are SE Water and some are Southern Water)

As I need to improve the drainage by re-instating field drains that have
failed from decades of neglect, I contacted both companies to ask if they
had accurate location plans so that I could ensure that I avoided them.

SE Water haven't deigned to respond yet, but Southern Water are telling
me
they will only vouchsafe the information if I pay them a fat fee. Surely
this is wrong - certainly immoral. When I needed to know where UK Power
Networks had buried cables on the farm they cheerfully sent out a man to
mark out the cable runs, then presented me with a map f.o.c.

After all, all I'm trying to do is NOT disrupt their services

Andrew

Asked said gent, statuory obligation to show where they enter your land
bit more complex where they might run under for distance.

Did say should be able to find all major utilities maps online but take
locations with a margin for error.

On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:44:01 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

I have a field that rumour has it has several major water mains running
under it. (Some are SE Water and some are Southern Water)

As I need to improve the drainage by re-instating field drains that have
failed from decades of neglect, I contacted both companies to ask if
they had accurate location plans so that I could ensure that I avoided
them.

SE Water haven't deigned to respond yet, but Southern Water are telling
me they will only vouchsafe the information if I pay them a fat fee.
Surely this is wrong - certainly immoral. When I needed to know where UK
Power Networks had buried cables on the farm they cheerfully sent out a
man to mark out the cable runs, then presented me with a map f.o.c.

After all, all I'm trying to do is NOT disrupt their services

Not a particularly accurate way of doing it but... have you had a look at
the wayleave/easements that would have been entered into and for which
plans should have been attached? If you don't have copies with your
deeds then just ask them for copies of the agreements - there may be a
nominal charge for copying but it shouldn't be much. FoI request perhaps?

On Fri, 8 Jul 2016 11:12:34 +0100
"Brian Gaff" wrote:

Metal detector, deviner perhaps?
I've actually seen, many years ago a person from a utility company
using a water deviner to help locate services and marking them in
different colours according to what they were. I was fascinated at
the time but probably never see them doing this nowadays, probably
throw technology at it costing megabucks.
Brian


We had to replace a sewer line once, and the local gas company sent out
a fella with one of those detector thingies, and he carefully marked
where the pipe crossed our land. It all looked very professional. When
the digger came along, he found that the marked line was six feet off
where the pipe actually was. A good thing he was slow and careful.

--
Davey.

"Mark Allread" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:44:01 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

I have a field that rumour has it has several major water mains running
under it. (Some are SE Water and some are Southern Water)

As I need to improve the drainage by re-instating field drains that have
failed from decades of neglect, I contacted both companies to ask if
they had accurate location plans so that I could ensure that I avoided
them.

SE Water haven't deigned to respond yet, but Southern Water are telling
me they will only vouchsafe the information if I pay them a fat fee.
Surely this is wrong - certainly immoral. When I needed to know where UK
Power Networks had buried cables on the farm they cheerfully sent out a
man to mark out the cable runs, then presented me with a map f.o.c.

After all, all I'm trying to do is NOT disrupt their services

Not a particularly accurate way of doing it but... have you had a look at
the wayleave/easements that would have been entered into and for which
plans should have been attached? If you don't have copies with your
deeds then just ask them for copies of the agreements - there may be a
nominal charge for copying but it shouldn't be much. FoI request perhaps?

Yes I have wayleave plans dating back in some cases to pipes installed
1930's when the farm was owned by Hasting Water Board, albeit only A4
covering 10 acres, but I know that there are pipes that don't even feature
on the way leaves as some cross a stream and are visible. I have a CAT
underground services scanner but it looses the pipe only a few meters into
the field as it is confused by 11kV 3 phase lines that run over head Also
there is at least one 200 mm plastic pipe that obviously wouldn't show up
with a cable avoidance scanner.

Because of it's previous ownership and history the place is riddled with
pipes many of which are I'm sure now dormant. No doubt when owned by
Hastings Water they just put them where ever they wanted without reference
to anyone else. The farm was sold to the then tenant farmer under the
leasehold reform act back in the late 1960's but they retained the adjacent
site where there is still a SE Water pumping station.

Andrew

On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 1:39:41 PM UTC+1, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Mark Allread" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:44:01 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

I have a field that rumour has it has several major water mains running
under it. (Some are SE Water and some are Southern Water)

As I need to improve the drainage by re-instating field drains that have
failed from decades of neglect, I contacted both companies to ask if
they had accurate location plans so that I could ensure that I avoided
them.

SE Water haven't deigned to respond yet, but Southern Water are telling
me they will only vouchsafe the information if I pay them a fat fee.
Surely this is wrong - certainly immoral. When I needed to know where UK
Power Networks had buried cables on the farm they cheerfully sent out a
man to mark out the cable runs, then presented me with a map f.o.c.

After all, all I'm trying to do is NOT disrupt their services

Not a particularly accurate way of doing it but... have you had a look at
the wayleave/easements that would have been entered into and for which
plans should have been attached? If you don't have copies with your
deeds then just ask them for copies of the agreements - there may be a
nominal charge for copying but it shouldn't be much. FoI request perhaps?

Yes I have wayleave plans dating back in some cases to pipes installed
1930's when the farm was owned by Hasting Water Board, albeit only A4
covering 10 acres, but I know that there are pipes that don't even feature
on the way leaves as some cross a stream and are visible. I have a CAT
underground services scanner but it looses the pipe only a few meters into
the field as it is confused by 11kV 3 phase lines that run over head Also
there is at least one 200 mm plastic pipe that obviously wouldn't show up
with a cable avoidance scanner.

Because of it's previous ownership and history the place is riddled with
pipes many of which are I'm sure now dormant. No doubt when owned by
Hastings Water they just put them where ever they wanted without reference
to anyone else. The farm was sold to the then tenant farmer under the
leasehold reform act back in the late 1960's but they retained the adjacent
site where there is still a SE Water pumping station.

Andrew

https://www.southernwater.co.uk/mains-and-sewer-maps

"Arrange a viewing of a map

Alternatively, in accordance with the Water Industry Act (1991), members of the public may view the public sewer and water map.

Viewing is available at our Chatham office by appointment only from 9am until 4.30pm, Monday to Friday."

"Water mains maps are available for inspection free of charge at South East Water's..." cant find address on PDF

http://www.southeas****er.co.uk/medi...any%202015.pdf

and phone cam.

On Fri, 08 Jul 2016 13:40:18 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

"Mark Allread" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:44:01 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

I have a field that rumour has it has several major water mains
running under it. (Some are SE Water and some are Southern Water)

As I need to improve the drainage by re-instating field drains that
have failed from decades of neglect, I contacted both companies to ask
if they had accurate location plans so that I could ensure that I
avoided them.

SE Water haven't deigned to respond yet, but Southern Water are
telling me they will only vouchsafe the information if I pay them a
fat fee. Surely this is wrong - certainly immoral. When I needed to
know where UK Power Networks had buried cables on the farm they
cheerfully sent out a man to mark out the cable runs, then presented
me with a map f.o.c.

After all, all I'm trying to do is NOT disrupt their services

Not a particularly accurate way of doing it but... have you had a look
at the wayleave/easements that would have been entered into and for
which plans should have been attached? If you don't have copies with
your deeds then just ask them for copies of the agreements - there may
be a nominal charge for copying but it shouldn't be much. FoI request
perhaps?

Yes I have wayleave plans dating back in some cases to pipes installed
1930's when the farm was owned by Hasting Water Board, albeit only A4
covering 10 acres, but I know that there are pipes that don't even
feature on the way leaves as some cross a stream and are visible. I have
a CAT underground services scanner but it looses the pipe only a few
meters into the field as it is confused by 11kV 3 phase lines that run
over head Also there is at least one 200 mm plastic pipe that
obviously wouldn't show up with a cable avoidance scanner.

Because of it's previous ownership and history the place is riddled with
pipes many of which are I'm sure now dormant. No doubt when owned by
Hastings Water they just put them where ever they wanted without
reference to anyone else. The farm was sold to the then tenant farmer
under the leasehold reform act back in the late 1960's but they retained
the adjacent site where there is still a SE Water pumping station.

Oh what a mess!

I'd be tempted to go in with a deep mole, avoid the 'plan' wayleaves and
rip through the rest . That way you and they would know where they are
and which are still in use

Give them fair warning of course - say 48 hours to respond with accurate
information - that's what they usually give when they are dishing it
out

On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 1:39:41 PM UTC+1, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Mark Allread" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:44:01 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

I have a field that rumour has it has several major water mains running
under it. (Some are SE Water and some are Southern Water)

As I need to improve the drainage by re-instating field drains that have
failed from decades of neglect, I contacted both companies to ask if
they had accurate location plans so that I could ensure that I avoided
them.

SE Water haven't deigned to respond yet, but Southern Water are telling
me they will only vouchsafe the information if I pay them a fat fee.
Surely this is wrong - certainly immoral. When I needed to know where UK
Power Networks had buried cables on the farm they cheerfully sent out a
man to mark out the cable runs, then presented me with a map f.o.c.

After all, all I'm trying to do is NOT disrupt their services

Not a particularly accurate way of doing it but... have you had a look at
the wayleave/easements that would have been entered into and for which
plans should have been attached? If you don't have copies with your
deeds then just ask them for copies of the agreements - there may be a
nominal charge for copying but it shouldn't be much. FoI request perhaps?

Yes I have wayleave plans dating back in some cases to pipes installed
1930's when the farm was owned by Hasting Water Board, albeit only A4
covering 10 acres, but I know that there are pipes that don't even feature
on the way leaves as some cross a stream and are visible. I have a CAT
underground services scanner but it looses the pipe only a few meters into
the field as it is confused by 11kV 3 phase lines that run over head Also
there is at least one 200 mm plastic pipe that obviously wouldn't show up
with a cable avoidance scanner.

Because of it's previous ownership and history the place is riddled with
pipes many of which are I'm sure now dormant. No doubt when owned by
Hastings Water they just put them where ever they wanted without reference
to anyone else. The farm was sold to the then tenant farmer under the
leasehold reform act back in the late 1960's but they retained the adjacent
site where there is still a SE Water pumping station.

Andrew

Local Council archive might be useful

https://eastsussexgovuk.blob.core.wi...ntrolplans.pdf

On 08/07/16 13:40, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Mark Allread" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:44:01 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

I have a field that rumour has it has several major water mains running
under it. (Some are SE Water and some are Southern Water)

As I need to improve the drainage by re-instating field drains that have
failed from decades of neglect, I contacted both companies to ask if
they had accurate location plans so that I could ensure that I avoided
them.

SE Water haven't deigned to respond yet, but Southern Water are telling
me they will only vouchsafe the information if I pay them a fat fee.
Surely this is wrong - certainly immoral. When I needed to know where UK
Power Networks had buried cables on the farm they cheerfully sent out a
man to mark out the cable runs, then presented me with a map f.o.c.

After all, all I'm trying to do is NOT disrupt their services

Not a particularly accurate way of doing it but... have you had a look at
the wayleave/easements that would have been entered into and for which
plans should have been attached? If you don't have copies with your
deeds then just ask them for copies of the agreements - there may be a
nominal charge for copying but it shouldn't be much. FoI request
perhaps?

Yes I have wayleave plans dating back in some cases to pipes installed
1930's when the farm was owned by Hasting Water Board, albeit only A4
covering 10 acres, but I know that there are pipes that don't even
feature on the way leaves as some cross a stream and are visible. I have
a CAT underground services scanner but it looses the pipe only a few
meters into the field as it is confused by 11kV 3 phase lines that run
over head Also there is at least one 200 mm plastic pipe that
obviously wouldn't show up with a cable avoidance scanner.

Because of it's previous ownership and history the place is riddled with
pipes many of which are I'm sure now dormant. No doubt when owned by
Hastings Water they just put them where ever they wanted without
reference to anyone else. The farm was sold to the then tenant farmer
under the leasehold reform act back in the late 1960's but they retained
the adjacent site where there is still a SE Water pumping station.

Andrew



Just realised, if you bust a pipe, it's possibly me you're going to cut
off

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...

On 08/07/16 13:40, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Mark Allread" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:44:01 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

I have a field that rumour has it has several major water mains running
under it. (Some are SE Water and some are Southern Water)

As I need to improve the drainage by re-instating field drains that
have
failed from decades of neglect, I contacted both companies to ask if
they had accurate location plans so that I could ensure that I avoided
them.

SE Water haven't deigned to respond yet, but Southern Water are telling
me they will only vouchsafe the information if I pay them a fat fee.
Surely this is wrong - certainly immoral. When I needed to know where
UK
Power Networks had buried cables on the farm they cheerfully sent out a
man to mark out the cable runs, then presented me with a map f.o.c.

After all, all I'm trying to do is NOT disrupt their services

Not a particularly accurate way of doing it but... have you had a look
at
the wayleave/easements that would have been entered into and for which
plans should have been attached? If you don't have copies with your
deeds then just ask them for copies of the agreements - there may be a
nominal charge for copying but it shouldn't be much. FoI request
perhaps?

Yes I have wayleave plans dating back in some cases to pipes installed
1930's when the farm was owned by Hasting Water Board, albeit only A4
covering 10 acres, but I know that there are pipes that don't even
feature on the way leaves as some cross a stream and are visible. I have
a CAT underground services scanner but it looses the pipe only a few
meters into the field as it is confused by 11kV 3 phase lines that run
over head Also there is at least one 200 mm plastic pipe that
obviously wouldn't show up with a cable avoidance scanner.

Because of it's previous ownership and history the place is riddled with
pipes many of which are I'm sure now dormant. No doubt when owned by
Hastings Water they just put them where ever they wanted without
reference to anyone else. The farm was sold to the then tenant farmer
under the leasehold reform act back in the late 1960's but they retained
the adjacent site where there is still a SE Water pumping station.

Andrew



Just realised, if you bust a pipe, it's possibly me you're going to cut off


Well Tim I'll do my very best not to I suspect if I do I'll drain Darwell
reservoir if not Powder Mill and Bewel as well - there are some big pipes
around!

A little bit of progress, I rang Southern Water and whined a bit, and after
a bit of tooing and frooing they've just come back and said that they'll
release plans FOC. Still not heard a jot from SE Water, and frankly they are
the biggest worry as their pipes are far more numerous here as their pumping
station is our next door neighbour.

So SE Water are in my sights for Monday for a concentrated telephone assault
taking no prisoners

Andrew

"Adam Aglionby" wrote in message
...

On Friday, July 8, 2016 at 1:39:41 PM UTC+1, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Mark Allread" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:44:01 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

I have a field that rumour has it has several major water mains
running
under it. (Some are SE Water and some are Southern Water)

As I need to improve the drainage by re-instating field drains that
have
failed from decades of neglect, I contacted both companies to ask if
they had accurate location plans so that I could ensure that I avoided
them.

SE Water haven't deigned to respond yet, but Southern Water are
telling
me they will only vouchsafe the information if I pay them a fat fee.
Surely this is wrong - certainly immoral. When I needed to know where
UK
Power Networks had buried cables on the farm they cheerfully sent out
a
man to mark out the cable runs, then presented me with a map f.o.c.

After all, all I'm trying to do is NOT disrupt their services

Not a particularly accurate way of doing it but... have you had a look
at
the wayleave/easements that would have been entered into and for which
plans should have been attached? If you don't have copies with your
deeds then just ask them for copies of the agreements - there may be a
nominal charge for copying but it shouldn't be much. FoI request
perhaps?

Yes I have wayleave plans dating back in some cases to pipes installed
1930's when the farm was owned by Hasting Water Board, albeit only A4
covering 10 acres, but I know that there are pipes that don't even
feature
on the way leaves as some cross a stream and are visible. I have a CAT
underground services scanner but it looses the pipe only a few meters
into
the field as it is confused by 11kV 3 phase lines that run over head
Also
there is at least one 200 mm plastic pipe that obviously wouldn't show up
with a cable avoidance scanner.

Because of it's previous ownership and history the place is riddled with
pipes many of which are I'm sure now dormant. No doubt when owned by
Hastings Water they just put them where ever they wanted without
reference
to anyone else. The farm was sold to the then tenant farmer under the
leasehold reform act back in the late 1960's but they retained the
adjacent
site where there is still a SE Water pumping station.

Andrew

Local Council archive might be useful

https://eastsussexgovuk.blob.core.wi...ntrolplans.pdf


Thanks for the Adam, I'll take a while to study it

Andrew

On 08/07/16 16:33, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...

On 08/07/16 13:40, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Mark Allread" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:44:01 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

I have a field that rumour has it has several major water mains
running
under it. (Some are SE Water and some are Southern Water)

As I need to improve the drainage by re-instating field drains that
have
failed from decades of neglect, I contacted both companies to ask if
they had accurate location plans so that I could ensure that I avoided
them.

SE Water haven't deigned to respond yet, but Southern Water are
telling
me they will only vouchsafe the information if I pay them a fat fee.
Surely this is wrong - certainly immoral. When I needed to know
where UK
Power Networks had buried cables on the farm they cheerfully sent
out a
man to mark out the cable runs, then presented me with a map f.o.c.

After all, all I'm trying to do is NOT disrupt their services

Not a particularly accurate way of doing it but... have you had a
look at
the wayleave/easements that would have been entered into and for which
plans should have been attached? If you don't have copies with your
deeds then just ask them for copies of the agreements - there may be a
nominal charge for copying but it shouldn't be much. FoI request
perhaps?

Yes I have wayleave plans dating back in some cases to pipes installed
1930's when the farm was owned by Hasting Water Board, albeit only A4
covering 10 acres, but I know that there are pipes that don't even
feature on the way leaves as some cross a stream and are visible. I have
a CAT underground services scanner but it looses the pipe only a few
meters into the field as it is confused by 11kV 3 phase lines that run
over head Also there is at least one 200 mm plastic pipe that
obviously wouldn't show up with a cable avoidance scanner.

Because of it's previous ownership and history the place is riddled with
pipes many of which are I'm sure now dormant. No doubt when owned by
Hastings Water they just put them where ever they wanted without
reference to anyone else. The farm was sold to the then tenant farmer
under the leasehold reform act back in the late 1960's but they retained
the adjacent site where there is still a SE Water pumping station.

Andrew



Just realised, if you bust a pipe, it's possibly me you're going to
cut off

Well Tim I'll do my very best not to I suspect if I do I'll drain
Darwell reservoir if not Powder Mill and Bewel as well - there are some
big pipes around!

A little bit of progress, I rang Southern Water and whined a bit, and
after a bit of tooing and frooing they've just come back and said that
they'll release plans FOC. Still not heard a jot from SE Water, and
frankly they are the biggest worry as their pipes are far more numerous
here as their pumping station is our next door neighbour.

So SE Water are in my sights for Monday for a concentrated telephone
assault taking no prisoners

Andrew


On the plus side, I would expect big-arsed mains water pipes to be iron
and thus detectable.

It's those gas pipe detectors that amaze me - no idea how they work!

On 08/07/2016 17:26, Tim Watts wrote:

It's those gas pipe detectors that amaze me - no idea how they work!


IIRC the big boys use ground penetrating radar if the pipe has no tracer
wire.

Come to think of it, surely that's something Andrew can now justify
adding to his collection of mighty tools?


--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 08/07/2016 17:26, Tim Watts wrote:
On 08/07/16 16:33, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...

On 08/07/16 13:40, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Mark Allread" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:44:01 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

I have a field that rumour has it has several major water mains
running
under it. (Some are SE Water and some are Southern Water)

As I need to improve the drainage by re-instating field drains that
have
failed from decades of neglect, I contacted both companies to ask if
they had accurate location plans so that I could ensure that I
avoided
them.

SE Water haven't deigned to respond yet, but Southern Water are
telling
me they will only vouchsafe the information if I pay them a fat fee.
Surely this is wrong - certainly immoral. When I needed to know
where UK
Power Networks had buried cables on the farm they cheerfully sent
out a
man to mark out the cable runs, then presented me with a map f.o.c.

After all, all I'm trying to do is NOT disrupt their services

Not a particularly accurate way of doing it but... have you had a
look at
the wayleave/easements that would have been entered into and for which
plans should have been attached? If you don't have copies with your
deeds then just ask them for copies of the agreements - there may be a
nominal charge for copying but it shouldn't be much. FoI request
perhaps?

Yes I have wayleave plans dating back in some cases to pipes installed
1930's when the farm was owned by Hasting Water Board, albeit only A4
covering 10 acres, but I know that there are pipes that don't even
feature on the way leaves as some cross a stream and are visible. I
have
a CAT underground services scanner but it looses the pipe only a few
meters into the field as it is confused by 11kV 3 phase lines that run
over head Also there is at least one 200 mm plastic pipe that
obviously wouldn't show up with a cable avoidance scanner.

Because of it's previous ownership and history the place is riddled
with
pipes many of which are I'm sure now dormant. No doubt when owned by
Hastings Water they just put them where ever they wanted without
reference to anyone else. The farm was sold to the then tenant farmer
under the leasehold reform act back in the late 1960's but they
retained
the adjacent site where there is still a SE Water pumping station.

Andrew



Just realised, if you bust a pipe, it's possibly me you're going to
cut off

Well Tim I'll do my very best not to I suspect if I do I'll drain
Darwell reservoir if not Powder Mill and Bewel as well - there are some
big pipes around!

A little bit of progress, I rang Southern Water and whined a bit, and
after a bit of tooing and frooing they've just come back and said that
they'll release plans FOC. Still not heard a jot from SE Water, and
frankly they are the biggest worry as their pipes are far more numerous
here as their pumping station is our next door neighbour.

So SE Water are in my sights for Monday for a concentrated telephone
assault taking no prisoners

Andrew


On the plus side, I would expect big-arsed mains water pipes to be iron
and thus detectable.

And perhaps deeper than land drains?

"Robin" wrote in message
...

On 08/07/2016 17:26, Tim Watts wrote:

It's those gas pipe detectors that amaze me - no idea how they work!


IIRC the big boys use ground penetrating radar if the pipe has no tracer
wire.

Come to think of it, surely that's something Andrew can now justify adding
to his collection of mighty tools?



Well the local history states that the Romans had a harbour at the end of
this very field, when the River Brede was navigable up to this point.
Perhaps I can get Tony Robinson and the Time Team to to a geophys survey

Andrew