https://www.theguardian.com/business...-markets-again

And the two fearless leaders? Scuttled away like rats leaving a sinking ship.

Personally I feel Schadenfraude.

Can't say you weren't warned.

In future be careful what you wish for.

On 06/07/16 13:41, fred wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/business...-markets-again

And the two fearless leaders? Scuttled away like rats leaving a sinking ship.

Personally I feel Schadenfraude.

Can't say you weren't warned.

In future be careful what you wish for.



What we have learnt in the last few weeks

Blair lied. And had no plan for Iraq.
Cameron Lied. And had no plan for Brexit.
Corbyn is a total ****.
The Remain campaign lied.
The EU lied. And had no plan for Brexit, for the debt crisis or the
Migrant crisis.

The only statement that rings true, is that our current political
classes and institutions, are completely unfit for purpose.

We've kicked one load of donkeys in the nuts.

WE now have to find someone in the UK who actually knows how to do the
hard work involved in actually governing a country, rather than just
winning elections and playing the PR game.



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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

What we have learnt in the last few weeks


That you've got the political nous of a six year old ?

Quite obviously, the proportion of your adult life you've spent either
under sedation, or in conditions of complete isolation, is far greater
than even your harshest critics on this group could have imagined.


michael adams

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On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 15:03:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 06/07/16 13:41, fred wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/business...pound-plunges-
to-30-year-lows-as-eu-fears-bite-into-global-markets-again

And the two fearless leaders? Scuttled away like rats leaving a sinking
ship.

Personally I feel Schadenfraude.

Can't say you weren't warned.

In future be careful what you wish for.



What we have learnt in the last few weeks

Blair lied. And had no plan for Iraq.
Cameron Lied. And had no plan for Brexit.
Corbyn is a total ****.
The Remain campaign lied.
The EU lied. And had no plan for Brexit, for the debt crisis or the
Migrant crisis.

The Leave campaign lied. A lot.
Johnson lied. And had no plan for Brexit (so he ran).
Gove lied. And had no plan for Brexit.
Both are total ****s.
The Leave campaign had no plan for the Migrant crisis.




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On 06/07/2016 15:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

What we have learnt in the last few weeks

Blair lied. And had no plan for Iraq.
Cameron Lied. And had no plan for Brexit.

The leavers lied and still have no plan for brexit.

In article . com,
dennis@home wrote:
On 06/07/2016 15:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

What we have learnt in the last few weeks

Blair lied. And had no plan for Iraq.
Cameron Lied. And had no plan for Brexit.

The leavers lied and still have no plan for brexit.

Can you imagine if Cameron really did have anything other than a back of a
fag packet plan on what to do if leave won?

Obviously involving lots of civil servants. So bound to leak out. Manna
for the BREXITS. Now if they had a plan of any sort, merely prudent.

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On Wednesday, 6 July 2016 15:27:16 UTC+1, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

What we have learnt in the last few weeks


That you've got the political nous of a six year old ?

Quite obviously, the proportion of your adult life you've spent either
under sedation, or in conditions of complete isolation, is far greater
than even your harshest critics on this group could have imagined.


michael adams

...

If anyone's brain dead round here, it's you.

En el artículo , Bob Eager
escribió:

****s

Here's another perspective from someone else fond of using the word
'****' (in his books).

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eauty-beneath-
brexit-bedwetting-leave-vote-diversity-genuine-change

Not having a pop at you, btw.

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On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 20:23:32 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

En el artÃ*culo , Bob Eager
escribió:

****s

Here's another perspective from someone else fond of using the word
'****' (in his books).

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eauty-beneath-
brexit-bedwetting-leave-vote-diversity-genuine-change

Not having a pop at you, btw.

It's a word I rarely use, but it fitted in the context of TNP's latest
potty mouth outburst!

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On Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:27:10 +0100, "michael adams"
wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

What we have learnt in the last few weeks


That you've got the political nous of a six year old ?

Quite obviously, the proportion of your adult life you've spent either
under sedation, or in conditions of complete isolation, is far greater
than even your harshest critics on this group could have imagined.

Or neither of those things but be totally unable (and therefore
'unwilling' doesn't come into it) to see a POV from anything other
than their own.

This is often confirmed by the readiness to ignore (or killfile),
insult or belittle anyone who comes up with a contradictory viewpoint
(even when supported by fact). Other people opinions count for
nothing, ever.

It takes all sorts of course. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
dennis@home wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote

What we have learnt in the last few weeks

Blair lied. And had no plan for Iraq.
Cameron Lied. And had no plan for Brexit.

Only a fool plans for the unplanable.

The leavers lied and still have no plan for brexit.

Can you imagine if Cameron really did have anything other
than a back of a fag packet plan on what to do if leave won?

Don’t need any more than that when its unlikely that the
majority would vote to leave when its unplanable anyway.

Obviously involving lots of civil servants.

No need for anything like that. Just decide if Britain should
make an obscene gesture in the general direction of the
EU and trade under the WTO rules if the EU is completely
intransigent on the 4 freedoms to get any trade deal.

Its is never going to be possible to plan what
the EU will do if Britain does leave the EU or
even worth planning what to do with every
possibility of what the EU might do either.

Makes a lot more sense to see what happens
and decide what to do when it is clear what
the EU is actually doing instead.

So bound to leak out. Manna for the BREXITS.

True.

Now if they had a plan of any sort, merely prudent.

Its obviously possible to decide what Britain would do
if say the EU decides to be completely intrasignent on
the 4 freedoms and to plan to trade under the WTO rules.

Its never going to be possible to plan what to do when
the pound slumps or there is a run on property trusts,
because the only viable approach is to see how bad
that gets and do what is appropriate at the time.

En el artículo , Bob Eager
escribió:

It's a word I rarely use, but it fitted in the context of TNP's latest
potty mouth outburst!

he's in the sin bin for a while until the foam-flecked Brexit
diatribes abate.

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On 06/07/16 20:23, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artÃ*culo , Bob Eager
escribió:

****s

Here's another perspective from someone else fond of using the word
'****' (in his books).

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eauty-beneath-
brexit-bedwetting-leave-vote-diversity-genuine-change

Not having a pop at you, btw.

That's not a perspective. Its handwavy emotionally loaded nonsense.


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intelligent business people.
Perhaps this is a timely reminder that life just goes on and nobody dies
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https://www.theguardian.com/business...-markets-again

And the two fearless leaders? Scuttled away like rats leaving a sinking
ship.

Personally I feel Schadenfraude.

Can't say you weren't warned.

In future be careful what you wish for.

On 06/07/2016 13:41, fred wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/business...-markets-again

And the two fearless leaders? Scuttled away like rats leaving a sinking ship.

Personally I feel Schadenfraude.

Can't say you weren't warned.

In future be careful what you wish for.


Italian bank shares have plunged even more than the £/USD rate.

Ambrose Pilchard has been going on about Italian banking issues for
ages in the DT.

Low £ = cheaper exports, just what exporters have been pushing for.
Low £ = better dividends (and share prices) for multinationals who
sell around the globe and/or deal in dollar-based products.

Just look at Unilever, Reckitt-banckiser, RDSB, BP and national grid to
name just 5.

Anyone who bought randgold shares last year for £35/share has almost
trebled their money. Fresnillo up from £6.50 to £20+ since january.

It's not all gloom (unless you only read the Inde or the Grundian).

On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 22:23:11 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

En el artÃ*culo , Bob Eager
escribió:

It's a word I rarely use, but it fitted in the context of TNP's latest
potty mouth outburst!

he's in the sin bin for a while until the foam-flecked Brexit
diatribes abate.

Same thing here, except it's 'forever'. I don't think his tendency to
childish turns of phrase will *ever* abate, they seem to have become his
"Go To" response whenever he feels outraged enough to post about whatever
he deems outrageous.

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On Wednesday, 6 July 2016 16:28:13 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/07/2016 15:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

What we have learnt in the last few weeks

Blair lied. And had no plan for Iraq.
Cameron Lied. And had no plan for Brexit.

The leavers lied and still have no plan for brexit.

Tell us all some of the lies then.

harry wrote
dennis@home wrote
The Natural Philosopher wrote

What we have learnt in the last few weeks

Blair lied. And had no plan for Iraq.
Cameron Lied. And had no plan for Brexit.

The leavers lied and still have no plan for brexit.

Tell us all some of the lies then.

That the EU would be sending in the tanks to stop
Britain leaving, just like Russia did with Hungary.

Your bare faced lie that the EU will be taking over Britain's
military system into a EU one, whether Britain likes it or not.

That the EU will be banning referendums so Britain has to leave
now, because it wont be able to have a referendum soon.

That Britain sends 350M a week to the EU and that that
would be spent on the NHS if Britain leaves the EU. That
one was even on the ****ing bus.

On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:25:43 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 06/07/2016 13:41, fred wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/business...-markets-again

And the two fearless leaders? Scuttled away like rats leaving a sinking ship.

Personally I feel Schadenfraude.

Can't say you weren't warned.

In future be careful what you wish for.


Italian bank shares have plunged even more than the £/USD rate.

Ambrose Pilchard has been going on about Italian banking issues for
ages in the DT.

Low £ = cheaper exports, just what exporters have been pushing for.
Low £ = better dividends (and share prices) for multinationals who
sell around the globe and/or deal in dollar-based products.

Just look at Unilever, Reckitt-banckiser, RDSB, BP and national grid to
name just 5.

Anyone who bought randgold shares last year for £35/share has almost
trebled their money. Fresnillo up from £6.50 to £20+ since january.

It's not all gloom (unless you only read the Inde or the Grundian).

Or buy imports.

AB

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On Wednesday, 6 July 2016 16:28:13 UTC+1, dennis@home wrote:
On 06/07/2016 15:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

What we have learnt in the last few weeks

Blair lied. And had no plan for Iraq.
Cameron Lied. And had no plan for Brexit.

The leavers lied and still have no plan for brexit.

Tell us all some of the lies then.

On 06/07/2016 16:09, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 15:03:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 06/07/16 13:41, fred wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/business...pound-plunges-
to-30-year-lows-as-eu-fears-bite-into-global-markets-again

And the two fearless leaders? Scuttled away like rats leaving a sinking
ship.

Personally I feel Schadenfraude.

Can't say you weren't warned.

In future be careful what you wish for.



What we have learnt in the last few weeks

Blair lied. And had no plan for Iraq.
Cameron Lied. And had no plan for Brexit.
Corbyn is a total ****.
The Remain campaign lied.
The EU lied. And had no plan for Brexit, for the debt crisis or the
Migrant crisis.

The Leave campaign lied. A lot.
Johnson lied. And had no plan for Brexit (so he ran).
Gove lied. And had no plan for Brexit.
Both are total ****s.
The Leave campaign had no plan for the Migrant crisis.


The referendum required an act of parliament and there was a majority of
PMs voting for that. If you have a referendum a good government will
have a plan for both of the results!

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The Leave campaign lied. A lot.
Johnson lied. And had no plan for Brexit (so he ran).
Gove lied. And had no plan for Brexit.
Both are total ****s.
The Leave campaign had no plan for the Migrant crisis.


The referendum required an act of parliament and there was a majority of
PMs voting for that. If you have a referendum a good government will
have a plan for both of the results!

We obviously didn't have a good goverment, then.

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On 09/07/2016 07:51, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:25:43 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 06/07/2016 13:41, fred wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/business...-markets-again

And the two fearless leaders? Scuttled away like rats leaving a sinking ship.

Personally I feel Schadenfraude.

Can't say you weren't warned.

In future be careful what you wish for.


Italian bank shares have plunged even more than the £/USD rate.

Ambrose Pilchard has been going on about Italian banking issues for
ages in the DT.

Low £ = cheaper exports, just what exporters have been pushing for.
Low £ = better dividends (and share prices) for multinationals who
sell around the globe and/or deal in dollar-based products.

Just look at Unilever, Reckitt-banckiser, RDSB, BP and national grid to
name just 5.

Anyone who bought randgold shares last year for £35/share has almost
trebled their money. Fresnillo up from £6.50 to £20+ since january.

It's not all gloom (unless you only read the Inde or the Grundian).

Or buy imports.


Unfamiliar with currency hedging are we ??. The current £/$ rate is
driven by short term speculating by the likes of that arsewipe
Soros.

On 06/07/2016 15:27, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

What we have learnt in the last few weeks


That you've got the political nous of a six year old ?

Given what you've snipped, your nous doesn't shine too brightly. At
least a 6 year old wouldn't put their head in the sand through denial.

On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 21:47:24 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 09/07/2016 07:51, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:25:43 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 06/07/2016 13:41, fred wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/business...-markets-again

And the two fearless leaders? Scuttled away like rats leaving a sinking ship.

Personally I feel Schadenfraude.

Can't say you weren't warned.

In future be careful what you wish for.


Italian bank shares have plunged even more than the £/USD rate.

Ambrose Pilchard has been going on about Italian banking issues for
ages in the DT.

Low £ = cheaper exports, just what exporters have been pushing for.
Low £ = better dividends (and share prices) for multinationals who
sell around the globe and/or deal in dollar-based products.

Just look at Unilever, Reckitt-banckiser, RDSB, BP and national grid to
name just 5.

Anyone who bought randgold shares last year for £35/share has almost
trebled their money. Fresnillo up from £6.50 to £20+ since january.

It's not all gloom (unless you only read the Inde or the Grundian).

Or buy imports.


Unfamiliar with currency hedging are we ??. The current £/$ rate is
driven by short term speculating by the likes of that arsewipe
Soros.

http://www.cityam.com/240358/eu-refe...tative-easing-

Er' this might seem a little difficult to grasp, but if things go
according to plan, more cash gets printed. We don't eat cash, we don't
put cash in fuel tanks.

Whatever gamblers do to the currency, prices will rise because our
productivity will not improve in the short term, in fact it may even
plummet.

Personally I find the Independent and Guardian pretty good.

I distinctly recollect that both those papers were stating that Sadaam
had no WMD's and providing reasoned arguments [including the
prediction of a rise in terrorism], when Blair started planning his
war crimes.

The rest of the garbage were all "gung ho" and "send our boys in"
sadaams a nasty person type rhetoric.

Of course it begs the question as to whether any of the gutter press
gave a damn about "our boys" as long as it sold their garbage.

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Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Andrew wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Andrew wrote
fred wrote

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-markets-again

And the two fearless leaders? Scuttled away like rats leaving a
sinking ship.

Personally I feel Schadenfraude.

Can't say you weren't warned.

In future be careful what you wish for.

Italian bank shares have plunged even more than the £/USD rate.

Ambrose Pilchard has been going on about
Italian banking issues for ages in the DT.

Low £ = cheaper exports, just what exporters have been pushing for.
Low £ = better dividends (and share prices) for multinationals who
sell around the globe and/or deal in dollar-based products.

Just look at Unilever, Reckitt-banckiser,
RDSB, BP and national grid to name just 5.

Anyone who bought randgold shares last year for £35/share has almost
trebled their money. Fresnillo up from £6.50 to £20+ since january.

It's not all gloom (unless you only read the Inde or the Grundian).

Or buy imports.

Unfamiliar with currency hedging are we ??.
The current £/$ rate isdriven by short term
speculating by the likes of that arsewipe Soros.

http://www.cityam.com/240358/eu-refe...tative-easing-

And it remains to be seen if they have got that any more right
than when they predicted that Britain would be much better
off joining the eurozone and got that completely wrong.

Er' this might seem a little difficult to grasp, but if
things go according to plan, more cash gets printed.

And when that happened when the much of the world financial
system imploded completely after 2008, it in fact produced ****
all in the way of inflation, in spite of what the hysterics claimed.

We don't eat cash, we don't put cash in fuel tanks.

But printing money like that clearly does avoid another great depression.

Whatever gamblers do to the currency, prices will rise

Only the prices of imports.

because our productivity will not improve in the short term,

Doesn't need to when exporters can flog what they export much more easily.

in fact it may even plummet.

No reason why it should.

Personally I find the Independent and Guardian pretty good.

Neither of them predicted the complete implosion of
much of the world financial system and both were in
favour of Britain joining the eurozone and neither have
a clue about what will happen when Britain leaves the EU.

I distinctly recollect that both those papers were
stating that Sadaam had no WMD's and providing
reasoned arguments [including the prediction of a rise
in terrorism], when Blair started planning his war crimes.

Corse that was entirely up to Blair, eh ? No yanks involved at all eh ?

The rest of the garbage were all "gung ho" and "send
our boys in" sadaams a nasty person type rhetoric.

That's a lie.

Of course it begs the question as to whether any of the gutter press
gave a damn about "our boys" as long as it sold their garbage.

Just as true of the FUD about Britain leaving the EU.

On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 07:26:42 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Andrew wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Andrew wrote
fred wrote

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-markets-again

And the two fearless leaders? Scuttled away like rats leaving a
sinking ship.

Personally I feel Schadenfraude.

Can't say you weren't warned.

In future be careful what you wish for.

Italian bank shares have plunged even more than the £/USD rate.

Ambrose Pilchard has been going on about
Italian banking issues for ages in the DT.

Low £ = cheaper exports, just what exporters have been pushing for.
Low £ = better dividends (and share prices) for multinationals who
sell around the globe and/or deal in dollar-based products.

Just look at Unilever, Reckitt-banckiser,
RDSB, BP and national grid to name just 5.

Anyone who bought randgold shares last year for £35/share has almost
trebled their money. Fresnillo up from £6.50 to £20+ since january.

It's not all gloom (unless you only read the Inde or the Grundian).

Or buy imports.

Unfamiliar with currency hedging are we ??.
The current £/$ rate isdriven by short term
speculating by the likes of that arsewipe Soros.

http://www.cityam.com/240358/eu-refe...tative-easing-

And it remains to be seen if they have got that any more right
than when they predicted that Britain would be much better
off joining the eurozone and got that completely wrong.

Er' this might seem a little difficult to grasp, but if
things go according to plan, more cash gets printed.

And when that happened when the much of the world financial
system imploded completely after 2008, it in fact produced ****
all in the way of inflation, in spite of what the hysterics claimed.

We don't eat cash, we don't put cash in fuel tanks.

But printing money like that clearly does avoid another great depression.

Whatever gamblers do to the currency, prices will rise

Only the prices of imports.

Er' look at the balance of payments. We are not suddenly going to
start outselling the world in manufactured goods. We import a lot more
than we sell.

Any increase in productivity comes at a price. Also, if we stop people
coming into the country to do the "menial" tasks that are beneath
Brit's aspirations, the tasks won't go away. Labour costs will rise
and from my experience with Polish workers, we risk losing an
extreemely capable workforce with a very positive work ethic.


because our productivity will not improve in the short term,

Doesn't need to when exporters can flog what they export much more easily.

You have to produce first, then export. It tends to be a little
difficult the other way round.

in fact it may even plummet.

No reason why it should.


Europe not wanting to buy goods produced by a workforce they see as
trying to undercut the "home market".
Personally I find the Independent and Guardian pretty good.

Neither of them predicted the complete implosion of
much of the world financial system

Not at such a level. But I do recollect many articles predicting the
likelyhood of a recession. Tulip bulbs and house prices were a fairly
frequent couple of words to decorate the pages.

and both were in
favour of Britain joining the eurozone and neither have
a clue about what will happen when Britain leaves the EU.

Well, once again they were right.


I distinctly recollect that both those papers were
stating that Sadaam had no WMD's and providing
reasoned arguments [including the prediction of a rise
in terrorism], when Blair started planning his war crimes.

Corse that was entirely up to Blair, eh ? No yanks involved at all eh ?

Yes! Entirely up to Blair. There was no need for him to have entered
into the adventure.

The population of Britain was against the war.

Bush went in because the American population probably thought Iraq was
the capital of Afghanistan They wanted 9/11 payback. Israel never
seems to get a mention either, but I'm sure they are factored in
somewhere.

There we are, you now have an opportunity for the anti semetic
accusation, the fallback for a usenet loser!!




The rest of the garbage were all "gung ho" and "send
our boys in" sadaams a nasty person type rhetoric.

That's a lie.

No! I was working on a civil construction site at the time and I did
read the headlines in some of the junk littering the mess room tables.
Admittedly there wasn't a Times there, but all the rest of the garbage
was. It really did make One cringe. Over simplified go out and get him
junk with no attempt at analysis.

I took both the Guardian and Independent at the time, with the
addition of the Irish times when I could buy it. All were very factual
and left me in no doubt that Blairs fiasco was totally wrong.

Everything was aimed at IQ zero's. Remember the tanks patrolling
Heathrow.

If the gutter press had fed the facts around that to their
"readership", the military would have been a laughing stock.

AB
Of course it begs the question as to whether any of the gutter press
gave a damn about "our boys" as long as it sold their garbage.

Just as true of the FUD about Britain leaving the EU.

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On 09/07/2016 23:15, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 07:26:42 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Andrew wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Andrew wrote
fred wrote

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-markets-again

And the two fearless leaders? Scuttled away like rats leaving a
sinking ship.

Personally I feel Schadenfraude.

Can't say you weren't warned.

In future be careful what you wish for.

Italian bank shares have plunged even more than the £/USD rate.

Ambrose Pilchard has been going on about
Italian banking issues for ages in the DT.

Low £ = cheaper exports, just what exporters have been pushing for.
Low £ = better dividends (and share prices) for multinationals who
sell around the globe and/or deal in dollar-based products.

Just look at Unilever, Reckitt-banckiser,
RDSB, BP and national grid to name just 5.

Anyone who bought randgold shares last year for £35/share has almost
trebled their money. Fresnillo up from £6.50 to £20+ since january.

It's not all gloom (unless you only read the Inde or the Grundian).

Or buy imports.

Unfamiliar with currency hedging are we ??.
The current £/$ rate isdriven by short term
speculating by the likes of that arsewipe Soros.

http://www.cityam.com/240358/eu-refe...tative-easing-

And it remains to be seen if they have got that any more right
than when they predicted that Britain would be much better
off joining the eurozone and got that completely wrong.

Er' this might seem a little difficult to grasp, but if
things go according to plan, more cash gets printed.

And when that happened when the much of the world financial
system imploded completely after 2008, it in fact produced ****
all in the way of inflation, in spite of what the hysterics claimed.

We don't eat cash, we don't put cash in fuel tanks.

But printing money like that clearly does avoid another great depression.

Whatever gamblers do to the currency, prices will rise

Only the prices of imports.

Er' look at the balance of payments. We are not suddenly going to
start outselling the world in manufactured goods. We import a lot more
than we sell.

Any increase in productivity comes at a price. Also, if we stop people
coming into the country to do the "menial" tasks that are beneath
Brit's aspirations, the tasks won't go away. Labour costs will rise
and from my experience with Polish workers, we risk losing an
extreemely capable workforce with a very positive work ethic.

Most Polish workers get the British disease of finding menial jobs are
paid enough after a year or so.

Good, it is about time labour costs rise. That is why so many voted Brexit.

I can only presume you're sitting pretty in your own home with a nice
pension and don't work.

Thankfully some of us do work to support parasites who seem to think
they know better than us.

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Andrew wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Andrew wrote
fred wrote

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-markets-again

And the two fearless leaders? Scuttled away like rats leaving a
sinking ship.

Personally I feel Schadenfraude.

Can't say you weren't warned.

In future be careful what you wish for.

Italian bank shares have plunged even more than the £/USD rate.

Ambrose Pilchard has been going on about
Italian banking issues for ages in the DT.

Low £ = cheaper exports, just what exporters have been pushing for.
Low £ = better dividends (and share prices) for multinationals who
sell around the globe and/or deal in dollar-based products.

Just look at Unilever, Reckitt-banckiser,
RDSB, BP and national grid to name just 5.

Anyone who bought randgold shares last year for £35/share has almost
trebled their money. Fresnillo up from £6.50 to £20+ since january.

It's not all gloom (unless you only read the Inde or the Grundian).

Or buy imports.

Unfamiliar with currency hedging are we ??.
The current £/$ rate isdriven by short term
speculating by the likes of that arsewipe Soros.

http://www.cityam.com/240358/eu-refe...tative-easing-

And it remains to be seen if they have got that any more right
than when they predicted that Britain would be much better
off joining the eurozone and got that completely wrong.

Er' this might seem a little difficult to grasp, but if
things go according to plan, more cash gets printed.

And when that happened when the much of the world financial
system imploded completely after 2008, it in fact produced ****
all in the way of inflation, in spite of what the hysterics claimed.

We don't eat cash, we don't put cash in fuel tanks.

But printing money like that clearly does avoid another great depression.

Whatever gamblers do to the currency, prices will rise

Only the prices of imports.

Er' look at the balance of payments. We are not suddenly
going to start outselling the world in manufactured goods.

But will do even better with what manufactured exports
Britain still does well at like aircraft engines and Airbus wings.

We import a lot more than we sell.

But will export more and import less with the pound sagging.

Any increase in productivity comes at a price.

Just as true of everything.

Also, if we stop people coming into the country to do the "menial"
tasks that are beneath Brit's aspirations, the tasks won't go away.

But it will then be possible to say to those who choose to put their
hands out for benefits instead of doing that work, that unless they
do that work, they wont be getting any more benefits.

Labour costs will rise

Not if those on benefits are forced to do the
work that the dregs of the EU do currently.

and from my experience with Polish workers, we risk losing an
extreemely capable workforce with a very positive work ethic.

Yes, clearly those who are prepared to get off their arses and
change countrys in europe to better their circumstances will are
generally a lot more useful to employers than those who won't
even get off their lard arses and move within their own country
and who prefer to put their hands out for benefits instead.

But with Britain outside the EU it will be free to allow the
best of the EU to move to Britain and do what Brits refuse to
do when they can put their hands out for benefits instead.

because our productivity will not improve in the short term,

Doesn't need to when exporters can flog what they export much more
easily.

You have to produce first, then export.

Britain clearly does that fine with aircraft engines,
Airbus wings, TV docos, drama, entertainment, financial
services etc even if it doesn't anymore with cars etc.

It tends to be a little difficult the other way round.

Britain clearly exports fine in those areas.

in fact it may even plummet.

No reason why it should.

Europe not wanting to buy goods produced by a workforce
they see as trying to undercut the "home market".

And yet they choose to import aircraft engines from the US
when that is what the buyers of Airbuses want in their planes.

Yes, there is still quite a bit of protection for the ag industrys
in the EU particularly, and obscenely lousy productivity in
agriculture in the EU, that all that really does is make food
in the EU rather more expensive than it needs to be and most
EUians appear to be prepared to pay that to get what they want.

Personally I find the Independent and Guardian pretty good.

Neither of them predicted the complete implosion
of much of the world financial system

Not at such a level. But I do recollect many
articles predicting the likelyhood of a recession.

Sure, but any fool can predict a recession and will always
be right sometime, because they always happen sometime.

Predicting the complete implosion of much of the world
financial system is another matter entirely. If you can do
that you really do have something that no one else does.

Even that fool Bernanke, allegedly one of the world's
experts on the causes of the Great Depression didn't
see that coming and keep mindlessly rabitting on
about the problem with the immense national debt
that the US had run up when it invaded Iraq and
Afghanistan and howling about that instead.

Tulip bulbs and house prices were a fairly frequent
couple of words to decorate the pages.

But didn't even hint at what might produce the complete
implosion of the world financial system, again.

and both were in favour of Britain joining the
eurozone and neither have a clue about what
will happen when Britain leaves the EU.

Well, once again they were right.

Like hell they were with the eurozone or Britain leaving the EU.

ALL we have actually seen is arseholes like Soros ****ing
over the pound yet again and no one even predicted that.

I distinctly recollect that both those papers were
stating that Sadaam had no WMD's and providing
reasoned arguments [including the prediction of a rise
in terrorism], when Blair started planning his war crimes.

Corse that was entirely up to Blair, eh ? No yanks involved at all eh ?

Yes! Entirely up to Blair. There was no need
for him to have entered into the adventure.

Corse no one but Britain and the US was ever involved, eh ?

The population of Britain was against the war.

BULL****. Certainly some people were, but nothing
even remotely like the population of Britain.

Bush went in because the American population
probably thought Iraq was the capital of Afghanistan

Like hell he did. Bush did that because it was the perfect
excuse to do what his advisors had always wanted to do.

They wanted 9/11 payback.

They wanted an excuse to do what his
advisors had always wanted to do.

Israel never seems to get a mention either,
but I'm sure they are factored in somewhere.

Nope.

There we are, you now have an opportunity for the
anti semetic accusation, the fallback for a usenet loser!!

I never do anything like that.

The rest of the garbage were all "gung ho" and "send
our boys in" sadaams a nasty person type rhetoric.

That's a lie.

No!

Yep.

I was working on a civil construction site at the time and
I did read the headlines in some of the junk littering the
mess room tables. Admittedly there wasn't a Times there,

So your all can't fly.

but all the rest of the garbage was.

Newspapers don't matter a damn anymore.

It really did make One cringe. Over simplified go
out and get him junk with no attempt at analysis.

That's what those **** rags do and what their buyers want to read.

I took both the Guardian and Independent at the time, with the
addition of the Irish times when I could buy it. All were very factual
and left me in no doubt that Blairs fiasco was totally wrong.

Everything was aimed at IQ zero's.

Like hell it was with the best of the newspapers and the BBC.

Remember the tanks patrolling Heathrow.

That was something else entirely, stupid pollys wanting to be
seen to be doing something even if it was completely useless.

If the gutter press had fed the facts around that to their
"readership", the military would have been a laughing stock.

Nothing to do with the military.

Of course it begs the question as to whether any of the gutter press
gave a damn about "our boys" as long as it sold their garbage.

Just as true of the FUD about Britain leaving the EU.

It has bugger all to do with you. Go build another tin shack.

On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 09:19:34 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Andrew wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Andrew wrote
fred wrote

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-markets-again

And the two fearless leaders? Scuttled away like rats leaving a
sinking ship.

Personally I feel Schadenfraude.

Can't say you weren't warned.

In future be careful what you wish for.

Italian bank shares have plunged even more than the £/USD rate.

Ambrose Pilchard has been going on about
Italian banking issues for ages in the DT.

Low £ = cheaper exports, just what exporters have been pushing for.
Low £ = better dividends (and share prices) for multinationals who
sell around the globe and/or deal in dollar-based products.

Just look at Unilever, Reckitt-banckiser,
RDSB, BP and national grid to name just 5.

Anyone who bought randgold shares last year for £35/share has almost
trebled their money. Fresnillo up from £6.50 to £20+ since january.

It's not all gloom (unless you only read the Inde or the Grundian).

Or buy imports.

Unfamiliar with currency hedging are we ??.
The current £/$ rate isdriven by short term
speculating by the likes of that arsewipe Soros.

http://www.cityam.com/240358/eu-refe...tative-easing-

And it remains to be seen if they have got that any more right
than when they predicted that Britain would be much better
off joining the eurozone and got that completely wrong.

Er' this might seem a little difficult to grasp, but if
things go according to plan, more cash gets printed.

And when that happened when the much of the world financial
system imploded completely after 2008, it in fact produced ****
all in the way of inflation, in spite of what the hysterics claimed.

We don't eat cash, we don't put cash in fuel tanks.

But printing money like that clearly does avoid another great depression.

Whatever gamblers do to the currency, prices will rise

Only the prices of imports.

Er' look at the balance of payments. We are not suddenly
going to start outselling the world in manufactured goods.

But will do even better with what manufactured exports
Britain still does well at like aircraft engines and Airbus wings.

We import a lot more than we sell.

But will export more and import less with the pound sagging.

Any increase in productivity comes at a price.

Just as true of everything.

Also, if we stop people coming into the country to do the "menial"
tasks that are beneath Brit's aspirations, the tasks won't go away.

But it will then be possible to say to those who choose to put their
hands out for benefits instead of doing that work, that unless they
do that work, they wont be getting any more benefits.

Labour costs will rise

Not if those on benefits are forced to do the
work that the dregs of the EU do currently.

I do not think the people that come here are the "dregs of the EU", I
work with some of these people and even though some do take jobs well
below their abilities, the ones I am in contact with are only
different because of an accent and place of birth. It is of no
consequence!

Not only do those on benefits have to be provided with work, they have
to want to work incidentally. A few unwilling workers on a team can
demoralise a workforce very effectively.

I recollect the 70s Manufacturing was a joke. It was an us & them
approach to the job with disputes on a weekly basis. Forcing workshy
individuals into jobs they have no desire to do is inviting trouble.


and from my experience with Polish workers, we risk losing an
extreemely capable workforce with a very positive work ethic.

Yes, clearly those who are prepared to get off their arses and
change countrys in europe to better their circumstances will are
generally a lot more useful to employers than those who won't
even get off their lard arses and move within their own country
and who prefer to put their hands out for benefits instead.

But with Britain outside the EU it will be free to allow the
best of the EU to move to Britain and do what Brits refuse to
do when they can put their hands out for benefits instead.

I often though that one suggested solution to overcrowding in Britain
was extreemely good. For every person entering the country, we vote
one off. Black, white, English, Scots, Irish, Chinese anything! One
comes in, one goes out.

This would also be a worthwhile slant on the free movement of people
philosophy.




because our productivity will not improve in the short term,

Doesn't need to when exporters can flog what they export much more
easily.

You have to produce first, then export.

Britain clearly does that fine with aircraft engines,
Airbus wings, TV docos, drama, entertainment, financial
services etc even if it doesn't anymore with cars etc.

It tends to be a little difficult the other way round.

Britain clearly exports fine in those areas.

Hmm! If you think everything is o/k then.

I do actually travel around and provide a service for some of the
industries you mention.

I wouldn't think any could rest on their laurels.

When I started my current position all the software we used on our
projects was "in house", now a lot of it comes from abroad.

I don't know how well the contracts worded for the supply of Airbus
wings, but I have often wondered how it can be profitable to make bits
of a plane in Broughton and send them out via beluga. I suspect that a
major part of the supply contract rests on the desire to promote
"togetherness" and a vision of european co-operation, foot and shot
comes to mind.


I hope to God my near neighbours at Broughton have a successful
future, but at the end of the day Airbus wings are just carefully
machined flat bits of metal and even as far back as the start of WW2
it was possible to turn a car plant over to aircraft manufacture in
weeks.



in fact it may even plummet.

No reason why it should.

Europe not wanting to buy goods produced by a workforce
they see as trying to undercut the "home market".

And yet they choose to import aircraft engines from the US
when that is what the buyers of Airbuses want in their planes.

Yes, there is still quite a bit of protection for the ag industrys
in the EU particularly, and obscenely lousy productivity in
agriculture in the EU, that all that really does is make food
in the EU rather more expensive than it needs to be and most
EUians appear to be prepared to pay that to get what they want.

Personally I find the Independent and Guardian pretty good.

Neither of them predicted the complete implosion
of much of the world financial system

Not at such a level. But I do recollect many
articles predicting the likelyhood of a recession.

Sure, but any fool can predict a recession and will always
be right sometime, because they always happen sometime.

Predicting the complete implosion of much of the world
financial system is another matter entirely. If you can do
that you really do have something that no one else does.

Even that fool Bernanke, allegedly one of the world's
experts on the causes of the Great Depression didn't
see that coming and keep mindlessly rabitting on
about the problem with the immense national debt
that the US had run up when it invaded Iraq and
Afghanistan and howling about that instead.

Tulip bulbs and house prices were a fairly frequent
couple of words to decorate the pages.

But didn't even hint at what might produce the complete
implosion of the world financial system, again.

No One did, but even if it was seen looming do you think it would be
news that would be freely circulated?


and both were in favour of Britain joining the
eurozone and neither have a clue about what
will happen when Britain leaves the EU.

Well, once again they were right.

Like hell they were with the eurozone or Britain leaving the EU.

ALL we have actually seen is arseholes like Soros ****ing
over the pound yet again and no one even predicted that.

I distinctly recollect that both those papers were
stating that Sadaam had no WMD's and providing
reasoned arguments [including the prediction of a rise
in terrorism], when Blair started planning his war crimes.

Corse that was entirely up to Blair, eh ? No yanks involved at all eh ?

Yes! Entirely up to Blair. There was no need
for him to have entered into the adventure.

Corse no one but Britain and the US was ever involved, eh ?

The population of Britain was against the war.

BULL****. Certainly some people were, but nothing
even remotely like the population of Britain.

Two million people got off their backsides and marched in London, the
majority of British were not behind the war.

There was support amongst the Sun readers for the conflict, but they
were clueless anyway. If Murdoch said the Isle of Wight was turning
out green union Jacks they would have wanted to sink that also.


Bush went in because the American population
probably thought Iraq was the capital of Afghanistan

Like hell he did. Bush did that because it was the perfect
excuse to do what his advisors had always wanted to do.

They wanted 9/11 payback.

They wanted an excuse to do what his
advisors had always wanted to do.

Israel never seems to get a mention either,
but I'm sure they are factored in somewhere.

Nope.

There we are, you now have an opportunity for the
anti semetic accusation, the fallback for a usenet loser!!

I never do anything like that.

The rest of the garbage were all "gung ho" and "send
our boys in" sadaams a nasty person type rhetoric.

That's a lie.

No!

Yep.

I was working on a civil construction site at the time and
I did read the headlines in some of the junk littering the
mess room tables. Admittedly there wasn't a Times there,

So your all can't fly.

but all the rest of the garbage was.

Newspapers don't matter a damn anymore.

It really did make One cringe. Over simplified go
out and get him junk with no attempt at analysis.

That's what those **** rags do and what their buyers want to read.

I took both the Guardian and Independent at the time, with the
addition of the Irish times when I could buy it. All were very factual
and left me in no doubt that Blairs fiasco was totally wrong.

Everything was aimed at IQ zero's.

Like hell it was with the best of the newspapers and the BBC.

Remember the tanks patrolling Heathrow.

That was something else entirely, stupid pollys wanting to be
seen to be doing something even if it was completely useless.

If the gutter press had fed the facts around that to their
"readership", the military would have been a laughing stock.

Nothing to do with the military.

Of course it begs the question as to whether any of the gutter press
gave a damn about "our boys" as long as it sold their garbage.

Just as true of the FUD about Britain leaving the EU.

AB

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On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 09:19:34 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Andrew wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Andrew wrote
fred wrote

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-markets-again

And the two fearless leaders? Scuttled away like rats leaving a
sinking ship.

Personally I feel Schadenfraude.

Can't say you weren't warned.

In future be careful what you wish for.

Italian bank shares have plunged even more than the £/USD rate.

Ambrose Pilchard has been going on about
Italian banking issues for ages in the DT.

Low £ = cheaper exports, just what exporters have been pushing for.
Low £ = better dividends (and share prices) for multinationals who
sell around the globe and/or deal in dollar-based products.

Just look at Unilever, Reckitt-banckiser,
RDSB, BP and national grid to name just 5.

Anyone who bought randgold shares last year for £35/share has
almost
trebled their money. Fresnillo up from £6.50 to £20+ since january.

It's not all gloom (unless you only read the Inde or the Grundian).

Or buy imports.

Unfamiliar with currency hedging are we ??.
The current £/$ rate isdriven by short term
speculating by the likes of that arsewipe Soros.

http://www.cityam.com/240358/eu-refe...tative-easing-

And it remains to be seen if they have got that any more right
than when they predicted that Britain would be much better
off joining the eurozone and got that completely wrong.

Er' this might seem a little difficult to grasp, but if
things go according to plan, more cash gets printed.

And when that happened when the much of the world financial
system imploded completely after 2008, it in fact produced ****
all in the way of inflation, in spite of what the hysterics claimed.

We don't eat cash, we don't put cash in fuel tanks.

But printing money like that clearly does avoid another great
depression.

Whatever gamblers do to the currency, prices will rise

Only the prices of imports.

Er' look at the balance of payments. We are not suddenly
going to start outselling the world in manufactured goods.

But will do even better with what manufactured exports
Britain still does well at like aircraft engines and Airbus wings.

We import a lot more than we sell.

But will export more and import less with the pound sagging.

Any increase in productivity comes at a price.

Just as true of everything.

Also, if we stop people coming into the country to do the "menial"
tasks that are beneath Brit's aspirations, the tasks won't go away.

But it will then be possible to say to those who choose to put their
hands out for benefits instead of doing that work, that unless they
do that work, they wont be getting any more benefits.

Labour costs will rise

Not if those on benefits are forced to do the
work that the dregs of the EU do currently.

I do not think the people that come here are the "dregs of the EU",

Yes, that was a very poor description of them because clearly the
ones who stay home are even worse dregs than the ones who come
from places like Romania to wash cars and do agricultural labour etc.

I work with some of these people and even though
some do take jobs well below their abilities, the ones
I am in contact with are only different because of an
accent and place of birth. It is of no consequence!

Not only do those on benefits have to be provided
with work, they have to want to work incidentally.

Sure, but it doesn't make a lot of sense for a country
to be paying benefits to those who prefer to veg out
in front of the TV or down the pub or shovel drugs
up their noses and get the unskilled from the EU to
do the menial work that the locals choose not to do.

A few unwilling workers on a team can
demoralise a workforce very effectively.

Sure.

I recollect the 70s Manufacturing was a joke. It was an us & them
approach to the job with disputes on a weekly basis. Forcing workshy
individuals into jobs they have no desire to do is inviting trouble.

Yes, but paying them benefits to veg out in front of the TV
and down the pub and to shovel drugs up their noses is too.

That's why you saw those utterly obscene riots so recently.

France has a much bigger problem with theirs.

and from my experience with Polish workers, we risk losing an
extreemely capable workforce with a very positive work ethic.

Yes, clearly those who are prepared to get off their arses and
change countrys in europe to better their circumstances will are
generally a lot more useful to employers than those who won't
even get off their lard arses and move within their own country
and who prefer to put their hands out for benefits instead.

But with Britain outside the EU it will be free to allow the
best of the EU to move to Britain and do what Brits refuse to
do when they can put their hands out for benefits instead.

I often though that one suggested solution to overcrowding
in Britain was extreemely good. For every person entering the
country, we vote one off. Black, white, English, Scots, Irish,
Chinese anything! One comes in, one goes out.

Just not feasible. No one would want Britain's rejects.

This would also be a worthwhile slant on
the free movement of people philosophy.

No it would not.

because our productivity will not improve in the short term,

Doesn't need to when exporters can flog
what they export much more easily.

You have to produce first, then export.

Britain clearly does that fine with aircraft engines,
Airbus wings, TV docos, drama, entertainment, financial
services etc even if it doesn't anymore with cars etc.

It tends to be a little difficult the other way round.

Britain clearly exports fine in those areas.

Hmm! If you think everything is o/k then.

I don't. Clearly it makes no sense to hand out benefits
to those who prefer to veg out in front of the TV or
down the pub or to shovel drugs up their noses,
but how to avoid that is much harder to say.

Even very harsh conditions in workhouses etc doesn't work.

I do actually travel around and provide a
service for some of the industries you mention.

I wouldn't think any could rest on their laurels.

Sure, but they clearly are viable exporters.

Unlike say the traditional car industry in Britain.

When I started my current position all the software we used on
our projects was "in house", now a lot of it comes from abroad.

Yeah, for some reason Britain has never done very well in that area.

I don't know how well the contracts worded for the supply of Airbus
wings, but I have often wondered how it can be profitable to make
bits of a plane in Broughton and send them out via beluga.

Yeah, I've had the same reaction, particularly with the bits
that can't even be moved by beluga. Utterly mad IMO.

I suspect that a major part of the supply contract rests on the desire
to promote "togetherness" and a vision of european co-operation,

More that the most important bits of western europe are involved.

Boeing does some of that too.

foot and shot comes to mind.

Dunno. Its less clear how successful Airbus would have been if say
it was entirely French and just bought the engines from whoever
the buyer of the plane wanted to be the supplier of those.

I hope to God my near neighbours at Broughton have
a successful future, but at the end of the day Airbus
wings are just carefully machined flat bits of metal

They are rather more than that on the design side.

and even as far back as the start of WW2 it was possible
to turn a car plant over to aircraft manufacture in weeks.

Not anymore.

in fact it may even plummet.

No reason why it should.

Europe not wanting to buy goods produced by a workforce
they see as trying to undercut the "home market".

And yet they choose to import aircraft engines from the US
when that is what the buyers of Airbuses want in their planes.

Yes, there is still quite a bit of protection for the ag industrys
in the EU particularly, and obscenely lousy productivity in
agriculture in the EU, that all that really does is make food
in the EU rather more expensive than it needs to be and most
EUians appear to be prepared to pay that to get what they want.

Personally I find the Independent and Guardian pretty good.

Neither of them predicted the complete implosion
of much of the world financial system

Not at such a level. But I do recollect many
articles predicting the likelyhood of a recession.

Sure, but any fool can predict a recession and will always
be right sometime, because they always happen sometime.

Predicting the complete implosion of much of the world
financial system is another matter entirely. If you can do
that you really do have something that no one else does.

Even that fool Bernanke, allegedly one of the world's
experts on the causes of the Great Depression didn't
see that coming and keep mindlessly rabitting on
about the problem with the immense national debt
that the US had run up when it invaded Iraq and
Afghanistan and howling about that instead.

Tulip bulbs and house prices were a fairly frequent
couple of words to decorate the pages.

But didn't even hint at what might produce the complete
implosion of the world financial system, again.

No One did, but even if it was seen looming do you
think it would be news that would be freely circulated?

and both were in favour of Britain joining the
eurozone and neither have a clue about what
will happen when Britain leaves the EU.

Well, once again they were right.

Like hell they were with the eurozone or Britain leaving the EU.

ALL we have actually seen is arseholes like Soros ****ing
over the pound yet again and no one even predicted that.

I distinctly recollect that both those papers were
stating that Sadaam had no WMD's and providing
reasoned arguments [including the prediction of a rise
in terrorism], when Blair started planning his war crimes.

Corse that was entirely up to Blair, eh ? No yanks involved at all eh
?

Yes! Entirely up to Blair. There was no need
for him to have entered into the adventure.

Corse no one but Britain and the US was ever involved, eh ?

The population of Britain was against the war.

BULL****. Certainly some people were, but nothing
even remotely like the population of Britain.

Two million people got off their backsides and marched in London,

Yes.

the majority of British were not behind the war.

You don't know that.

There was support amongst the Sun readers for the conflict,

There were a lot more than just Sun readers who did.

In fact there weren't all that many MPs that didn't support it.

but they were clueless anyway. If Murdoch said the Isle of Wight was
turning out green union Jacks they would have wanted to sink that also.

Even sillier than you usually manage. Murdoch
doesn't have anything like that power.

Bush went in because the American population
probably thought Iraq was the capital of Afghanistan

Like hell he did. Bush did that because it was the perfect
excuse to do what his advisors had always wanted to do.

They wanted 9/11 payback.

They wanted an excuse to do what his
advisors had always wanted to do.

Israel never seems to get a mention either,
but I'm sure they are factored in somewhere.

Nope.

There we are, you now have an opportunity for the
anti semetic accusation, the fallback for a usenet loser!!

I never do anything like that.

The rest of the garbage were all "gung ho" and "send
our boys in" sadaams a nasty person type rhetoric.

That's a lie.

No!

Yep.

I was working on a civil construction site at the time and
I did read the headlines in some of the junk littering the
mess room tables. Admittedly there wasn't a Times there,

So your all can't fly.

but all the rest of the garbage was.

Newspapers don't matter a damn anymore.

It really did make One cringe. Over simplified go
out and get him junk with no attempt at analysis.

That's what those **** rags do and what their buyers want to read.

I took both the Guardian and Independent at the time, with the
addition of the Irish times when I could buy it. All were very factual
and left me in no doubt that Blairs fiasco was totally wrong.

Everything was aimed at IQ zero's.

Like hell it was with the best of the newspapers and the BBC.

Remember the tanks patrolling Heathrow.

That was something else entirely, stupid pollys wanting to be
seen to be doing something even if it was completely useless.

If the gutter press had fed the facts around that to their
"readership", the military would have been a laughing stock.

Nothing to do with the military.

Of course it begs the question as to whether any of the gutter press
gave a damn about "our boys" as long as it sold their garbage.

Just as true of the FUD about Britain leaving the EU.

On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:30:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp" wrote


Sure, but it doesn't make a lot of sense for a country
to be paying benefits to those who prefer to veg out
in front of the TV or down the pub or shovel drugs
up their noses and get the unskilled from the EU to
do the menial work that the locals choose not to do.


I agree totally. I have seen first hand the abuse of the system. I
find it abhorrent that people in genuine need are ignored or
mistreated though. The fact that those dishing out the cash may be
less than adequate never seems to enter the equation.

From what I see benefits seem to be administered more and more by
private companies and their priorities are not to provide a service
for the claimants.


Anyway, I suppose we will just have to differ in our approach to the
EU. I have a lot to be grateful for incidentally, I know my job would
not exist if Britain had not joined the EU.

Water would still be under state ownership and no major improvements
to the infrastructure would have been carried out.

EU membership has completely changed Britain for the better. It was a
pity some of the problems could not have been resolved from within.


I do have the option to remain in the EU and I am taking it. I owe
this country nothing. I have been taxed to the hilt all my life and
had nothing in return. Personally I see little hope for the future.

Incidentally one thing I do feel strongly about which at the moment is
only loosely related to the EU are the people that come to this
country and make every attempt to be different from the mainstream
British society. These are not on the whole EU citizens, but are
usually islamic. France seems to have quite a problem at present and I
would be concerned if we ended up with what in effect are segregated
areas.

I know it probably isn't politically correct but the act of covering
One's face has sinister overtones. Not only that, but I have had a few
near misses in Birmingham because of idiots wearing garb with the
postbox slot whilst driving. It's probably why the Saudis ban women
drivers incidentally, and is nothing to do with the more obvious
problems women have controlling cars.

This would be the only area I would have concerns over. The
possibility of saturating the country with people of a none western
culture who are not prepared to integrate then go on to force aspects
of their culture onto us.

Anyway What's done is done. I hope that things turn out o/k for
Britain, but I do not really think things are too rosy for the
forseeable future.

I guess the problem really is that the same people that voted in the
referendum also vote for their MP's :-)


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On 10/07/16 11:57, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
I know my job would not exist if Britain had not joined the EU.


......


EU membership has completely changed Britain for the better.

Actually those two statements totally contradict one another.


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On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 12:49:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 10/07/16 11:57, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
I know my job would not exist if Britain had not joined the EU.


.....


EU membership has completely changed Britain for the better.

Actually those two statements totally contradict one another.

Not at all. People can go swimming without ending up in A&E

There is still some O2 left in the rivers.

Walking the dog along the canal a few years back, I was totally amazed
to see the bottom.

I never did like the waste generated by these new unelected private
companies, but on the whole things in my industries have completely
changed for the better.

There are some Dickensian companies that the authourities have not
caught up with and they are not nice places to visit.

Still the Brexits will no doubt be thrilled to have their chrome
plating lines back and all that money wasted on caring for the
environment go into the NHS in the hope of treating some of the
ensuing problems.

Pity things were not as cut & dried as most people seemed to think.


Mind you it doesn't take a degree to know the difference between a
straight & bent banana does it?


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Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote

Anyway, I suppose we will just have to differ in our approach
to the EU. I have a lot to be grateful for incidentally, I know
my job would not exist if Britain had not joined the EU.

Hard to say how accurate that is given you
keep refusing to say what your job involves.

Water would still be under state ownership

I don't believe that given how much Maggie privatised.

and no major improvements to the
infrastructure would have been carried out.

I don't believe that either. That is the modern
fashion/fad and IMO Britain would have done
that even if it had not chosen to be part of the
EU and it has certainly happened in plenty of
places that arent in the EU.

EU membership has completely changed Britain for the better.

That is very arguable indeed, even with immigration.

It was a pity some of the problems could
not have been resolved from within.

The problem is that the EU is completely intransigent on
its 4 freedoms and its inevitable march to ever increasing
political integration and **** all real democracy at all.

I do have the option to remain in the EU and I am
taking it. I owe this country nothing. I have been
taxed to the hilt all my life and had nothing in return.

You have just said the exact opposite yourself above.

And you certainly had education alone in return.

Personally I see little hope for the future.

You might well feel the same way when the eurozone implodes.

Incidentally one thing I do feel strongly about which at the
moment is only loosely related to the EU are the people that
come to this country and make every attempt to be different
from the mainstream British society. These are not on the
whole EU citizens, but are usually islamic.

Why is that any different to what Brits do in Spain etc ?

France seems to have quite a problem at
present and I would be concerned if we ended
up with what in effect are segregated areas.

There always have been those, since long before any muslims
showed up in enough numbers to be able to do that.

And isnt just muslims doing it either.

I know it probably isn't politically correct but the act of
covering One's face has sinister overtones. Not only that,
but I have had a few near misses in Birmingham because
of idiots wearing garb with the postbox slot whilst driving.
It's probably why the Saudis ban women drivers incidentally,

Nope, they realise that women can't drive.

and is nothing to do with the more obvious
problems women have controlling cars.

Saudis women don't all wear the birkas.

This would be the only area I would have concerns over.
The possibility of saturating the country with people of
a none western culture who are not prepared to integrate
then go on to force aspects of their culture onto us.

They don't force any aspect of their culture on anyone
except with the caterwauling from their mosques and
that is banned in every western country I can think of.

Anyway What's done is done. I hope that things
turn out o/k for Britain, but I do not really think
things are too rosy for the forseeable future.

Bet it all turns out fine.

I guess the problem really is that the same people
that voted in the referendum also vote for their MP's :-)

Bet they don't. You never see that level of turnout in general
elections, particularly now that Labour is completely unelectable
to govt and UKIP has passed its useby date.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:23:05 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote

Anyway, I suppose we will just have to differ in our approach
to the EU. I have a lot to be grateful for incidentally, I know
my job would not exist if Britain had not joined the EU.

Hard to say how accurate that is given you
keep refusing to say what your job involves.

I work for a number of industries at all levels. I would want nothing
on usenet to tie back to my work.

This is not because my opinions vary in accordance with the people I'm
with, it's just that people can easily build the wrong picture of a
person with a few selective quotes.

My name isn't actually Archibald incidentally :-)

Water would still be under state ownership

I don't believe that given how much Maggie privatised.

Yes it would. The government would have to open up so much to private
investment in order to invest, so it wasn't seen as viable.

and no major improvements to the
infrastructure would have been carried out.

I don't believe that either. That is the modern
fashion/fad and IMO Britain would have done
that even if it had not chosen to be part of the
EU and it has certainly happened in plenty of
places that arent in the EU.


Your opinion!

Europe has set the standards for years. For some reason the British
government has always been reticent about identifying legislation that
came from the EU

A copy of the Irish Times normally identifies quite clearly what is EU
driven.
EU membership has completely changed Britain for the better.

That is very arguable indeed, even with immigration.


I clearly remember a time before we were in the EU. I think we have
gained a lot.


It was a pity some of the problems could
not have been resolved from within.

The problem is that the EU is completely intransigent on
its 4 freedoms and its inevitable march to ever increasing
political integration and **** all real democracy at all.

I do have the option to remain in the EU and I am
taking it. I owe this country nothing. I have been
taxed to the hilt all my life and had nothing in return.

You have just said the exact opposite yourself above.

I paid my way. Never was out of work and never sent any sprogs for any
form of education.

And you certainly had education alone in return.


I paid for it! I had a grant for two years but my connections with
industry ensured that even then the taxes I paid far exceeded the
paltry few hundred I received.


Personally I see little hope for the future.

You might well feel the same way when the eurozone implodes.

Incidentally one thing I do feel strongly about which at the
moment is only loosely related to the EU are the people that
come to this country and make every attempt to be different
from the mainstream British society. These are not on the
whole EU citizens, but are usually islamic.

Why is that any different to what Brits do in Spain etc ?


I have never been to spain, but as far as I am aware the only cultural
difference seems to be a tendency to consume every bit of cheap booze
in the country then go for a hospital visit.

I would imagine Spanish culture isn't too far removed from ours, they
seem to make our criminals welcome anyway.

France seems to have quite a problem at
present and I would be concerned if we ended
up with what in effect are segregated areas.

There always have been those, since long before any muslims
showed up in enough numbers to be able to do that.

And isnt just muslims doing it either.


That's interesting, I wasn't aware of it. It only seems to be the
Muslims that get the notoriety at the moment.


I know it probably isn't politically correct but the act of
covering One's face has sinister overtones. Not only that,
but I have had a few near misses in Birmingham because
of idiots wearing garb with the postbox slot whilst driving.
It's probably why the Saudis ban women drivers incidentally,

Nope, they realise that women can't drive.

and is nothing to do with the more obvious
problems women have controlling cars.

Saudis women don't all wear the birkas.

This would be the only area I would have concerns over.
The possibility of saturating the country with people of
a none western culture who are not prepared to integrate
then go on to force aspects of their culture onto us.

They don't force any aspect of their culture on anyone
except with the caterwauling from their mosques and
that is banned in every western country I can think of.

I beg to differ! Rushdie provoked a few marches, and the British
ability to find an amusing side to any person or situation has led to
a few plays being cancelled not to mention death threats.

What about the poor chap in Scotland? You can say it's a one off
crime, but it's still a "commandment" that' is interpreted very
literally by a lot of muslims [I would assume by all of those
supporting ISIS incidentally].

I suspect the staff of Charlie Hebdo may also voice an opinion?

Anyway What's done is done. I hope that things
turn out o/k for Britain, but I do not really think
things are too rosy for the forseeable future.

Bet it all turns out fine.

I do hope it does, sadly though we are not off to a good start. I
never thought Virginia May was a very good politician, but "in the
land of the blind" the almost acceptable reigns supreme!


I guess the problem really is that the same people
that voted in the referendum also vote for their MP's :-)

Bet they don't. You never see that level of turnout in general
elections, particularly now that Labour is completely unelectable
to govt and UKIP has passed its useby date.

Clegg's seen an angle. Hard to blame the bloke I suppose, collective
amnesia may be a possibillty, but flying pigs will be commonplace
before he gets near No 10.


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On Sun, 10 Jul 2016 22:56:44 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Archibald
Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:

I do hope it does, sadly though we are not off to a good start. I
never thought Virginia May was a very good politician, but "in the
land of the blind" the almost acceptable reigns supreme!

Who's she?

Apologies. When Heath got hammered by the miners, I kind of lost
interest in the conservatives.


Theresa if I'm not mistaken.


HTH


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Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote

Anyway, I suppose we will just have to differ in our approach
to the EU. I have a lot to be grateful for incidentally, I know
my job would not exist if Britain had not joined the EU.

Hard to say how accurate that is given you
keep refusing to say what your job involves.

I work for a number of industries at all levels.

So it is unlikely that your job would not exist if Britain
had not joined the EU given how many of you Brits
are involved all over the world in various industrys.

I would want nothing on usenet to tie back to my work.

Sure.

This is not because my opinions vary in accordance with
the people I'm with, it's just that people can easily build
the wrong picture of a person with a few selective quotes.

Sure.

My name isn't actually Archibald incidentally :-)

Damn, there goes another illusion shattered.

Water would still be under state ownership

I don't believe that given how much Maggie privatised.

Yes it would. The government would have to open up so much
to private investment in order to invest, so it wasn't seen as viable.

I don't believe that you can predict what Blair might have done.

and no major improvements to the
infrastructure would have been carried out.

I don't believe that either. That is the modern
fashion/fad and IMO Britain would have done
that even if it had not chosen to be part of the
EU and it has certainly happened in plenty of
places that aren't in the EU.

Your opinion!

That isn't opinion, that is historical fact.

Europe has set the standards for years.

Like hell it has.

For some reason the British government has always been
reticent about identifying legislation that came from the EU

But it is trivially easy to see what regulations
and directives the EU has produced.

A copy of the Irish Times normally
identifies quite clearly what is EU driven.

And anyone with even half a clue can see what
directives and regulations the EU has issued.

EU membership has completely changed Britain for the better.

That is very arguable indeed, even with immigration.

I clearly remember a time before we were in the EU.

So I because I am older than you.

I think we have gained a lot.

Clearly those who voted to leave feel otherwise,
and that Britain has lost a lot too, particularly with
who gets to decide policy, what Britain can do
about being selective about what EU citizens are
free to move to Britain and all sorts of other stuff too.

It was a pity some of the problems could
not have been resolved from within.

The problem is that the EU is completely intransigent on
its 4 freedoms and its inevitable march to ever increasing
political integration and **** all real democracy at all.

I do have the option to remain in the EU and I am
taking it. I owe this country nothing. I have been
taxed to the hilt all my life and had nothing in return.

You have just said the exact opposite yourself above.

I paid my way.

Bet you didn't with your school education.

Never was out of work and never sent
any sprogs for any form of education.

But did have the state educate you.

And you certainly had education alone in return.

I paid for it!

Not with your school education you didn't.

I had a grant for two years but my connections with
industry ensured that even then the taxes I paid far
exceeded the paltry few hundred I received.

Not true of your school education.

Personally I see little hope for the future.

You might well feel the same way when the eurozone implodes.

Incidentally one thing I do feel strongly about which at the
moment is only loosely related to the EU are the people that
come to this country and make every attempt to be different
from the mainstream British society. These are not on the
whole EU citizens, but are usually islamic.

Why is that any different to what Brits do in Spain etc ?

I have never been to spain, but as far as I am aware the only
cultural difference seems to be a tendency to consume every
bit of cheap booze in the country then go for a hospital visit.

There is the small matter of the language
they speak and the food they eat etc etc etc.

I would imagine Spanish culture isn't too far removed from ours,

It is anyway.

they seem to make our criminals welcome anyway.

Yeah, they have always cared much more about the cash they have.

France seems to have quite a problem at
present and I would be concerned if we ended
up with what in effect are segregated areas.

There always have been those, since long before any muslims
showed up in enough numbers to be able to do that.

And isnt just muslims doing it either.

That's interesting, I wasn't aware of it.

Have a look at how the Poles operate sometime.

And those from the Caribbean.

It only seems to be the Muslims that
get the notoriety at the moment.

There is always some group that stands
out at any particular point in time.

I know it probably isn't politically correct but the act of
covering One's face has sinister overtones. Not only that,
but I have had a few near misses in Birmingham because
of idiots wearing garb with the postbox slot whilst driving.
It's probably why the Saudis ban women drivers incidentally,

Nope, they realise that women can't drive.

and is nothing to do with the more obvious
problems women have controlling cars.

Saudis women don't all wear the birkas.

This would be the only area I would have concerns over.
The possibility of saturating the country with people of
a none western culture who are not prepared to integrate
then go on to force aspects of their culture onto us.

They don't force any aspect of their culture on anyone
except with the caterwauling from their mosques and
that is banned in every western country I can think of.

I beg to differ! Rushdie provoked a few marches, and
the British ability to find an amusing side to any person
or situation has led to a few plays being cancelled

Corse nothing like that has ever happened with wowsers, eh ?

not to mention death threats.

Corse nothing like that has ever happened from the Irish, eh ?

What about the poor chap in Scotland? You can say it's
a one off crime, but it's still a "commandment" that' is
interpreted very literally by a lot of muslims [I would
assume by all of those supporting ISIS incidentally].

Corse no one ever tried to blow up Maggie, eh ?

I suspect the staff of Charlie Hebdo may also voice an opinion?

Same with all those blown up by the irish.

Anyway What's done is done. I hope that things
turn out o/k for Britain, but I do not really think
things are too rosy for the forseeable future.

Bet it all turns out fine.

I do hope it does, sadly though we are not off to a good start.
I never thought Virginia May was a very good politician,

I never thought any of them were, including Maggie and Churchill.
The most any of them are is not as bad as the worst of them.

but "in the land of the blind" the almost acceptable reigns supreme!

I guess the problem really is that the same people
that voted in the referendum also vote for their MP's :-)

Bet they don't. You never see that level of turnout in general
elections, particularly now that Labour is completely
unelectable to govt and UKIP has passed its useby date.

Clegg's seen an angle.

His party is even more completely irrelevant than UKIP.

Hard to blame the bloke I suppose, collective amnesia
may be a possibillty, but flying pigs will be commonplace
before he gets near No 10.

Yep, he's completely irrelevant politically.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:24:57 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote

Anyway, I suppose we will just have to differ in our approach
to the EU. I have a lot to be grateful for incidentally, I know
my job would not exist if Britain had not joined the EU.

Hard to say how accurate that is given you
keep refusing to say what your job involves.

I work for a number of industries at all levels.

So it is unlikely that your job would not exist if Britain
had not joined the EU given how many of you Brits
are involved all over the world in various industrys.

I would want nothing on usenet to tie back to my work.

Sure.

This is not because my opinions vary in accordance with
the people I'm with, it's just that people can easily build
the wrong picture of a person with a few selective quotes.

Sure.

My name isn't actually Archibald incidentally :-)

Damn, there goes another illusion shattered.

Water would still be under state ownership

I don't believe that given how much Maggie privatised.

Yes it would. The government would have to open up so much
to private investment in order to invest, so it wasn't seen as viable.

I don't believe that you can predict what Blair might have done.

and no major improvements to the
infrastructure would have been carried out.

I don't believe that either. That is the modern
fashion/fad and IMO Britain would have done
that even if it had not chosen to be part of the
EU and it has certainly happened in plenty of
places that aren't in the EU.

Your opinion!

That isn't opinion, that is historical fact.

Europe has set the standards for years.

Like hell it has.

For some reason the British government has always been
reticent about identifying legislation that came from the EU

But it is trivially easy to see what regulations
and directives the EU has produced.

A copy of the Irish Times normally
identifies quite clearly what is EU driven.

And anyone with even half a clue can see what
directives and regulations the EU has issued.


Unless it relates directly to One's profession I think most people,
like myself rely on the national papers.



EU membership has completely changed Britain for the better.

That is very arguable indeed, even with immigration.

I clearly remember a time before we were in the EU.

So I because I am older than you.

I think we have gained a lot.

Clearly those who voted to leave feel otherwise,
and that Britain has lost a lot too, particularly with
who gets to decide policy, what Britain can do
about being selective about what EU citizens are
free to move to Britain and all sorts of other stuff too.

It was a pity some of the problems could
not have been resolved from within.

The problem is that the EU is completely intransigent on
its 4 freedoms and its inevitable march to ever increasing
political integration and **** all real democracy at all.

I do have the option to remain in the EU and I am
taking it. I owe this country nothing. I have been
taxed to the hilt all my life and had nothing in return.

You have just said the exact opposite yourself above.

I paid my way.

Bet you didn't with your school education.

Never was out of work and never sent
any sprogs for any form of education.

But did have the state educate you.

And you certainly had education alone in return.

I paid for it!

Not with your school education you didn't.

Didn't have a choice, it was forced upon me. Some subjects were a
total waste of time anyway, I would have claimed a refund had I have
paid.


I had a grant for two years but my connections with
industry ensured that even then the taxes I paid far
exceeded the paltry few hundred I received.

Not true of your school education.

See above


Personally I see little hope for the future.

You might well feel the same way when the eurozone implodes.

Incidentally one thing I do feel strongly about which at the
moment is only loosely related to the EU are the people that
come to this country and make every attempt to be different
from the mainstream British society. These are not on the
whole EU citizens, but are usually islamic.

Why is that any different to what Brits do in Spain etc ?

I have never been to spain, but as far as I am aware the only
cultural difference seems to be a tendency to consume every
bit of cheap booze in the country then go for a hospital visit.

There is the small matter of the language
they speak and the food they eat etc etc etc.

Get real! Language skills do not come easy to a lot of Brits, this
isn't a deliberate attempt at difference by any stretch of the
imagination.

Likewise the food, it is no doubt what's available locally. I have
little doubt that some Brit's would tend to insist on chips most of
the time, but it isn't a deliberate attempt to be different.

The only disgusting thing I saw on my travels regarding "ethnic"
fodder merchants was a Mc Donalds in Ghent of all places.

Now that is a "bit of culture" that needs removing.

Outside that, the food people eat is their own business. Likewise
language is usually to communicate conveniently, unless of course it's
the native tongue used by people in North Wales, where it's a useful
tool for alienating the English.

I would imagine Spanish culture isn't too far removed from ours,

It is anyway.

they seem to make our criminals welcome anyway.

Yeah, they have always cared much more about the cash they have.

France seems to have quite a problem at
present and I would be concerned if we ended
up with what in effect are segregated areas.

There always have been those, since long before any muslims
showed up in enough numbers to be able to do that.

And isnt just muslims doing it either.

That's interesting, I wasn't aware of it.

Have a look at how the Poles operate sometime.

You surprise me!

And those from the Caribbean.

It only seems to be the Muslims that
get the notoriety at the moment.

There is always some group that stands
out at any particular point in time.

I know it probably isn't politically correct but the act of
covering One's face has sinister overtones. Not only that,
but I have had a few near misses in Birmingham because
of idiots wearing garb with the postbox slot whilst driving.
It's probably why the Saudis ban women drivers incidentally,

Nope, they realise that women can't drive.

and is nothing to do with the more obvious
problems women have controlling cars.

Saudis women don't all wear the birkas.

This would be the only area I would have concerns over.
The possibility of saturating the country with people of
a none western culture who are not prepared to integrate
then go on to force aspects of their culture onto us.

They don't force any aspect of their culture on anyone
except with the caterwauling from their mosques and
that is banned in every western country I can think of.

I beg to differ! Rushdie provoked a few marches, and
the British ability to find an amusing side to any person
or situation has led to a few plays being cancelled

Corse nothing like that has ever happened with wowsers, eh ?

"Two wrongs!"


not to mention death threats.

Corse nothing like that has ever happened from the Irish, eh ?

A totally different scenario. The rise of the IRA, or PIRA or whatever
was to rectify an injuctice. Nothing to do with forcing a religion or
culture onto a different society.

What about the poor chap in Scotland? You can say it's
a one off crime, but it's still a "commandment" that' is
interpreted very literally by a lot of muslims [I would
assume by all of those supporting ISIS incidentally].

Corse no one ever tried to blow up Maggie, eh ?


Nothing to do with culture. I'm sure a few Iraqis would like to blow
Blair up, apart from this little foible they would no doubt carry on
being Manchester Unites supporters and supporting western values.




I suspect the staff of Charlie Hebdo may also voice an opinion?

Same with all those blown up by the irish.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-1471584.html

The Irish are not the only one's with a bit of a thing about the
English.

Again it isn't a deliberate effort to seperate cultures, just a
response to a percieved injustice.


Anyway What's done is done. I hope that things
turn out o/k for Britain, but I do not really think
things are too rosy for the forseeable future.

Bet it all turns out fine.

I do hope it does, sadly though we are not off to a good start.
I never thought Virginia May was a very good politician,

I never thought any of them were, including Maggie and Churchill.
The most any of them are is not as bad as the worst of them.

but "in the land of the blind" the almost acceptable reigns supreme!

I guess the problem really is that the same people
that voted in the referendum also vote for their MP's :-)

Bet they don't. You never see that level of turnout in general
elections, particularly now that Labour is completely
unelectable to govt and UKIP has passed its useby date.

Clegg's seen an angle.

His party is even more completely irrelevant than UKIP.

Hard to blame the bloke I suppose, collective amnesia
may be a possibillty, but flying pigs will be commonplace
before he gets near No 10.

Yep, he's completely irrelevant politically.

At least we agree on something :-)


AB

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