Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote

Anyway, I suppose we will just have to differ in our approach
to the EU. I have a lot to be grateful for incidentally, I know
my job would not exist if Britain had not joined the EU.

Hard to say how accurate that is given you
keep refusing to say what your job involves.

I work for a number of industries at all levels.

So it is unlikely that your job would not exist if Britain
had not joined the EU given how many of you Brits
are involved all over the world in various industrys.

I would want nothing on usenet to tie back to my work.

Sure.

This is not because my opinions vary in accordance with
the people I'm with, it's just that people can easily build
the wrong picture of a person with a few selective quotes.

Sure.

My name isn't actually Archibald incidentally :-)

Damn, there goes another illusion shattered.

Water would still be under state ownership

I don't believe that given how much Maggie privatised.

Yes it would. The government would have to open up so much
to private investment in order to invest, so it wasn't seen as viable.

I don't believe that you can predict what Blair might have done.

and no major improvements to the
infrastructure would have been carried out.

I don't believe that either. That is the modern
fashion/fad and IMO Britain would have done
that even if it had not chosen to be part of the
EU and it has certainly happened in plenty of
places that aren't in the EU.

Your opinion!

That isn't opinion, that is historical fact.

Europe has set the standards for years.

Like hell it has.

For some reason the British government has always been
reticent about identifying legislation that came from the EU

But it is trivially easy to see what regulations
and directives the EU has produced.

A copy of the Irish Times normally
identifies quite clearly what is EU driven.

And anyone with even half a clue can see what
directives and regulations the EU has issued.

Unless it relates directly to One's profession I think
most people, like myself rely on the national papers.

I doubt that many do anymore. There's
a reason so many are going broke now.

EU membership has completely changed Britain for the better.

That is very arguable indeed, even with immigration.

I clearly remember a time before we were in the EU.

So I because I am older than you.

I think we have gained a lot.

Clearly those who voted to leave feel otherwise,
and that Britain has lost a lot too, particularly with
who gets to decide policy, what Britain can do
about being selective about what EU citizens are
free to move to Britain and all sorts of other stuff too.

It was a pity some of the problems could
not have been resolved from within.

The problem is that the EU is completely intransigent on
its 4 freedoms and its inevitable march to ever increasing
political integration and **** all real democracy at all.

I do have the option to remain in the EU and I am
taking it. I owe this country nothing. I have been
taxed to the hilt all my life and had nothing in return.

You have just said the exact opposite yourself above.

I paid my way.

Bet you didn't with your school education.

Never was out of work and never sent
any sprogs for any form of education.

But did have the state educate you.

And you certainly had education alone in return.

I paid for it!

Not with your school education you didn't.

Didn't have a choice, it was forced upon me.

Sure, but the fact remains, you didn't in fact pay your way
at all in that area, a vital part of what you turned into.

Some subjects were a total waste of time anyway,
I would have claimed a refund had I have paid.

Sure, but clearly not all were.

I had a grant for two years but my connections with
industry ensured that even then the taxes I paid far
exceeded the paltry few hundred I received.

Not true of your school education.

See above

See above

Personally I see little hope for the future.

You might well feel the same way when the eurozone implodes.

Incidentally one thing I do feel strongly about which at the
moment is only loosely related to the EU are the people that
come to this country and make every attempt to be different
from the mainstream British society. These are not on the
whole EU citizens, but are usually islamic.

Why is that any different to what Brits do in Spain etc ?

I have never been to spain, but as far as I am aware the only
cultural difference seems to be a tendency to consume every
bit of cheap booze in the country then go for a hospital visit.

There is the small matter of the language
they speak and the food they eat etc etc etc.

Get real! Language skills do not come easy to a lot of Brits,

Just as true of plenty of muslims.

this isn't a deliberate attempt at difference
by any stretch of the imagination.

It isnt with plenty of muslims too.

Likewise the food, it is no doubt what's available locally.

Fraid not.

I have little doubt that some Brit's would tend to insist on chips
most of the time, but it isn't a deliberate attempt to be different.

It isnt with most muslims either.

The only disgusting thing I saw on my travels regarding "ethnic"
fodder merchants was a Mc Donalds in Ghent of all places.

Now that is a "bit of culture" that needs removing.

Clearly those who use it feel differently.

Outside that, the food people eat is their own business.
Likewise language is usually to communicate conveniently,
unless of course it's the native tongue used by people in
North Wales, where it's a useful tool for alienating the English.

I would imagine Spanish culture isn't too far removed from ours,

It is anyway.

they seem to make our criminals welcome anyway.

Yeah, they have always cared much more about the cash they have.

France seems to have quite a problem at
present and I would be concerned if we ended
up with what in effect are segregated areas.

There always have been those, since long before any muslims
showed up in enough numbers to be able to do that.

And isnt just muslims doing it either.

That's interesting, I wasn't aware of it.

Have a look at how the Poles operate sometime.

You surprise me!

And those from the Caribbean.

It only seems to be the Muslims that
get the notoriety at the moment.

There is always some group that stands
out at any particular point in time.

I know it probably isn't politically correct but the act of
covering One's face has sinister overtones. Not only that,
but I have had a few near misses in Birmingham because
of idiots wearing garb with the postbox slot whilst driving.
It's probably why the Saudis ban women drivers incidentally,

Nope, they realise that women can't drive.

and is nothing to do with the more obvious
problems women have controlling cars.

Saudis women don't all wear the birkas.

This would be the only area I would have concerns over.
The possibility of saturating the country with people of
a none western culture who are not prepared to integrate
then go on to force aspects of their culture onto us.

They don't force any aspect of their culture on anyone
except with the caterwauling from their mosques and
that is banned in every western country I can think of.

I beg to differ! Rushdie provoked a few marches, and
the British ability to find an amusing side to any person
or situation has led to a few plays being cancelled

Corse nothing like that has ever happened with wowsers, eh ?

"Two wrongs!"

Don't see you demanding that the wowser change the way they do things.

not to mention death threats.

Corse nothing like that has ever happened from the Irish, eh ?

A totally different scenario. The rise of the IRA,
or PIRA or whatever was to rectify an injuctice.

The muslims feel the same way.

Nothing to do with forcing a religion
or culture onto a different society.

No muslims are doing anything like that.

What about the poor chap in Scotland? You can say it's
a one off crime, but it's still a "commandment" that' is
interpreted very literally by a lot of muslims [I would
assume by all of those supporting ISIS incidentally].

Corse no one ever tried to blow up Maggie, eh ?

Nothing to do with culture.

Corse it was.

I'm sure a few Iraqis would like to blow Blair up, apart from
this little foible they would no doubt carry on being Manchester
Unites supporters and supporting western values.

They clearly must be into the way the west does
things otherwise they wouldn't have moved to Britain.

I suspect the staff of Charlie Hebdo may also voice an opinion?

Same with all those blown up by the irish.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-1471584.html

Precisely.

The Irish are not the only one's with
a bit of a thing about the English.

Yep, there is also Culloden.

Again it isn't a deliberate effort to seperate
cultures, just a response to a percieved injustice.

That's what the muslims are doing.

Anyway What's done is done. I hope that things
turn out o/k for Britain, but I do not really think
things are too rosy for the forseeable future.

Bet it all turns out fine.

I do hope it does, sadly though we are not off to a good start.
I never thought Virginia May was a very good politician,

I never thought any of them were, including Maggie and Churchill.
The most any of them are is not as bad as the worst of them.

but "in the land of the blind" the almost acceptable reigns supreme!

I guess the problem really is that the same people
that voted in the referendum also vote for their MP's :-)

Bet they don't. You never see that level of turnout in general
elections, particularly now that Labour is completely
unelectable to govt and UKIP has passed its useby date.

Clegg's seen an angle.

His party is even more completely irrelevant than UKIP.

Hard to blame the bloke I suppose, collective amnesia
may be a possibillty, but flying pigs will be commonplace
before he gets near No 10.

Yep, he's completely irrelevant politically.

At least we agree on something :-)

Bugger, now I will have to change my position. Have you
no sense of common decency and decorum what so ever ?

You sure you aren't a muslim ?

"Fredxxx" wrote in message ...
On 06/07/2016 15:27, michael adams wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

What we have learnt in the last few weeks


That you've got the political nous of a six year old ?

Given what you've snipped, your nous doesn't shine too brightly. At least a 6 year old
wouldn't put their head in the sand through denial.

I snipped it all, as it was complete and utter ********.

Which I thought should have been obvious. But there you go.

Here's the final paragraph of his manifesto.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...

WE now have to find someone in the UK who actually knows how to do the hard work
involved in actually governing a country, rather than just winning elections and
playing the PR game.

Now obviously you didn't think it was all ******** or you wouldn't
have posted.

So in your own words would you care to explain to the Group how this
leader is going to emerge if they're not going devote any effort to
winning elections ?

Elections to become an MP, elections to the shadow cabinet ,
elections to lead their party, General Elections.

Now presumably you're not suggesting that this leader should
emerge as a result of an armed coup, as that is exactly the
sort of thing somebody with the political nous of a six year
old might suggest.

Or maybe he should be appointed by Rupert Murdoch or Paul Dacre
perhaps ?

So how should this leader emerge ?

And no emailing Turnip for an answer. As I assume like all
his true followers you will have been issued with his private,
unmunged email address.


michael adams

....

On Mon, 11 Jul 2016 11:27:31 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote

Anyway, I suppose we will just have to differ in our approach
to the EU. I have a lot to be grateful for incidentally, I know
my job would not exist if Britain had not joined the EU.

Hard to say how accurate that is given you
keep refusing to say what your job involves.

I work for a number of industries at all levels.

So it is unlikely that your job would not exist if Britain
had not joined the EU given how many of you Brits
are involved all over the world in various industrys.

I would want nothing on usenet to tie back to my work.

Sure.

This is not because my opinions vary in accordance with
the people I'm with, it's just that people can easily build
the wrong picture of a person with a few selective quotes.

Sure.

My name isn't actually Archibald incidentally :-)

Damn, there goes another illusion shattered.

Water would still be under state ownership

I don't believe that given how much Maggie privatised.

Yes it would. The government would have to open up so much
to private investment in order to invest, so it wasn't seen as viable.

I don't believe that you can predict what Blair might have done.

and no major improvements to the
infrastructure would have been carried out.

I don't believe that either. That is the modern
fashion/fad and IMO Britain would have done
that even if it had not chosen to be part of the
EU and it has certainly happened in plenty of
places that aren't in the EU.

Your opinion!

That isn't opinion, that is historical fact.

Europe has set the standards for years.

Like hell it has.

For some reason the British government has always been
reticent about identifying legislation that came from the EU

But it is trivially easy to see what regulations
and directives the EU has produced.

A copy of the Irish Times normally
identifies quite clearly what is EU driven.

And anyone with even half a clue can see what
directives and regulations the EU has issued.

Unless it relates directly to One's profession I think
most people, like myself rely on the national papers.

I doubt that many do anymore. There's
a reason so many are going broke now.

EU membership has completely changed Britain for the better.

That is very arguable indeed, even with immigration.

I clearly remember a time before we were in the EU.

So I because I am older than you.

I think we have gained a lot.

Clearly those who voted to leave feel otherwise,
and that Britain has lost a lot too, particularly with
who gets to decide policy, what Britain can do
about being selective about what EU citizens are
free to move to Britain and all sorts of other stuff too.

It was a pity some of the problems could
not have been resolved from within.

The problem is that the EU is completely intransigent on
its 4 freedoms and its inevitable march to ever increasing
political integration and **** all real democracy at all.

I do have the option to remain in the EU and I am
taking it. I owe this country nothing. I have been
taxed to the hilt all my life and had nothing in return.

You have just said the exact opposite yourself above.

I paid my way.

Bet you didn't with your school education.

Never was out of work and never sent
any sprogs for any form of education.

But did have the state educate you.

And you certainly had education alone in return.

I paid for it!

Not with your school education you didn't.

Didn't have a choice, it was forced upon me.

Sure, but the fact remains, you didn't in fact pay your way
at all in that area, a vital part of what you turned into.

Some subjects were a total waste of time anyway,
I would have claimed a refund had I have paid.

Sure, but clearly not all were.

I had a grant for two years but my connections with
industry ensured that even then the taxes I paid far
exceeded the paltry few hundred I received.

Not true of your school education.

See above

See above

Personally I see little hope for the future.

You might well feel the same way when the eurozone implodes.

Incidentally one thing I do feel strongly about which at the
moment is only loosely related to the EU are the people that
come to this country and make every attempt to be different
from the mainstream British society. These are not on the
whole EU citizens, but are usually islamic.

Why is that any different to what Brits do in Spain etc ?

I have never been to spain, but as far as I am aware the only
cultural difference seems to be a tendency to consume every
bit of cheap booze in the country then go for a hospital visit.

There is the small matter of the language
they speak and the food they eat etc etc etc.

Get real! Language skills do not come easy to a lot of Brits,

Just as true of plenty of muslims.

this isn't a deliberate attempt at difference
by any stretch of the imagination.

It isnt with plenty of muslims too.

Likewise the food, it is no doubt what's available locally.

Fraid not.

I have little doubt that some Brit's would tend to insist on chips
most of the time, but it isn't a deliberate attempt to be different.

It isnt with most muslims either.

The only disgusting thing I saw on my travels regarding "ethnic"
fodder merchants was a Mc Donalds in Ghent of all places.

Now that is a "bit of culture" that needs removing.

Clearly those who use it feel differently.

Outside that, the food people eat is their own business.
Likewise language is usually to communicate conveniently,
unless of course it's the native tongue used by people in
North Wales, where it's a useful tool for alienating the English.

I would imagine Spanish culture isn't too far removed from ours,

It is anyway.

they seem to make our criminals welcome anyway.

Yeah, they have always cared much more about the cash they have.

France seems to have quite a problem at
present and I would be concerned if we ended
up with what in effect are segregated areas.

There always have been those, since long before any muslims
showed up in enough numbers to be able to do that.

And isnt just muslims doing it either.

That's interesting, I wasn't aware of it.

Have a look at how the Poles operate sometime.

You surprise me!

And those from the Caribbean.

It only seems to be the Muslims that
get the notoriety at the moment.

There is always some group that stands
out at any particular point in time.

I know it probably isn't politically correct but the act of
covering One's face has sinister overtones. Not only that,
but I have had a few near misses in Birmingham because
of idiots wearing garb with the postbox slot whilst driving.
It's probably why the Saudis ban women drivers incidentally,

Nope, they realise that women can't drive.

and is nothing to do with the more obvious
problems women have controlling cars.

Saudis women don't all wear the birkas.

This would be the only area I would have concerns over.
The possibility of saturating the country with people of
a none western culture who are not prepared to integrate
then go on to force aspects of their culture onto us.

They don't force any aspect of their culture on anyone
except with the caterwauling from their mosques and
that is banned in every western country I can think of.

I beg to differ! Rushdie provoked a few marches, and
the British ability to find an amusing side to any person
or situation has led to a few plays being cancelled

Corse nothing like that has ever happened with wowsers, eh ?

"Two wrongs!"

Don't see you demanding that the wowser change the way they do things.

Wowsers? I have no idea what you are on about. If you mean censorship
in principle I'm against it, however if there was no censorship at all
the qality of entertainment would plummet.

not to mention death threats.
e
Corse nothing like that has ever happened from the Irish, eh ?

A totally different scenario. The rise of the IRA,
or PIRA or whatever was to rectify an injuctice.

The muslims feel the same way.


You are arguing from the wrong perspective. A lot of Muslims seem to
delight in being different, they do not dress like westerners and some
try to impose theircultural values on natives of these islands.

I do not think terrorists are quite as easy to categorise. They seem
to have a goal, not a common religion or ethnicity, in fact the only
common factor connecting thm is probably the sense of injustice.


Nothing to do with forcing a religion
or culture onto a different society.

No muslims are doing anything like that.
I think you are responding to a bit of selective cut & pasting on your
part. If you have a comment don't cut & connect to distort the meaning
of the preceeding statement.


What about the poor chap in Scotland? You can say it's
a one off crime, but it's still a "commandment" that' is
interpreted very literally by a lot of muslims [I would
assume by all of those supporting ISIS incidentally].

Corse no one ever tried to blow up Maggie, eh ?

Nothing to do with culture.

Corse it was.

Oh yes of course, lot's of cultures around the world blow their
politicians up. Stormont no doubt puts a lot of its members into
orbit, a bit like dancing an Irish jig but with a bit more Semtex.

I'm sure a few Iraqis would like to blow Blair up, apart from
this little foible they would no doubt carry on being Manchester
Unites supporters and supporting western values.

They clearly must be into the way the west does
things otherwise they wouldn't have moved to Britain.

We have Blair to thank for that. Thanks to Iraq turning into a haven
for ISIS a lot of the population of Iraq and Syria need a place of
safety, of course the ISIS "sleepers" need a ticket out also.

I suspect the staff of Charlie Hebdo may also voice an opinion?

Same with all those blown up by the irish.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-1471584.html

Precisely.

The Irish are not the only one's with
a bit of a thing about the English.

Yep, there is also Culloden.

I suppose a tendency for men to wear skirts might be classed as a
cultural thing, not to mention eating that obnoxious pale pink stuff
they call "square sausage". Still they don't force it on people and
the fact that a few places do a decent Arbroath Smokie renders the
Scotts notable failings with nearly every other dish forgiveable

Again it isn't a deliberate effort to seperate
cultures, just a response to a percieved injustice.

That's what the muslims are doing.


Total garbage.

Muslim terrorism isn't a culture.

Anyway What's done is done. I hope that thing
turn out o/k for Britain, but I do not really think
things are too rosy for the forseeable future.

Bet it all turns out fine.

I do hope it does, sadly though we are not off to a good start.
I never thought Virginia May was a very good politician,

I never thought any of them were, including Maggie and Churchill.
The most any of them are is not as bad as the worst of them.

but "in the land of the blind" the almost acceptable reigns supreme!

I guess the problem really is that the same people
that voted in the referendum also vote for their MP's :-)

Bet they don't. You never see that level of turnout in general
elections, particularly now that Labour is completely
unelectable to govt and UKIP has passed its useby date.

Clegg's seen an angle.

His party is even more completely irrelevant than UKIP.

Hard to blame the bloke I suppose, collective amnesia
may be a possibillty, but flying pigs will be commonplace
before he gets near No 10.

Yep, he's completely irrelevant politically.

At least we agree on something :-)

Bugger, now I will have to change my position. Have you
no sense of common decency and decorum what so ever ?

You sure you aren't a muslim ?

One can accommodate if you wish

Shia or Sunni?

AB

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Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote

Anyway, I suppose we will just have to differ in our approach
to the EU. I have a lot to be grateful for incidentally, I know
my job would not exist if Britain had not joined the EU.

Hard to say how accurate that is given you
keep refusing to say what your job involves.

I work for a number of industries at all levels.

So it is unlikely that your job would not exist if Britain
had not joined the EU given how many of you Brits
are involved all over the world in various industrys.

I would want nothing on usenet to tie back to my work.

Sure.

This is not because my opinions vary in accordance with
the people I'm with, it's just that people can easily build
the wrong picture of a person with a few selective quotes.

Sure.

My name isn't actually Archibald incidentally :-)

Damn, there goes another illusion shattered.

Water would still be under state ownership

I don't believe that given how much Maggie privatised.

Yes it would. The government would have to open up so much
to private investment in order to invest, so it wasn't seen as viable.

I don't believe that you can predict what Blair might have done.

and no major improvements to the
infrastructure would have been carried out.

I don't believe that either. That is the modern
fashion/fad and IMO Britain would have done
that even if it had not chosen to be part of the
EU and it has certainly happened in plenty of
places that aren't in the EU.

Your opinion!

That isn't opinion, that is historical fact.

Europe has set the standards for years.

Like hell it has.

For some reason the British government has always been
reticent about identifying legislation that came from the EU

But it is trivially easy to see what regulations
and directives the EU has produced.

A copy of the Irish Times normally
identifies quite clearly what is EU driven.

And anyone with even half a clue can see what
directives and regulations the EU has issued.

Unless it relates directly to One's profession I think
most people, like myself rely on the national papers.

I doubt that many do anymore. There's
a reason so many are going broke now.

EU membership has completely changed Britain for the better.

That is very arguable indeed, even with immigration.

I clearly remember a time before we were in the EU.

So I because I am older than you.

I think we have gained a lot.

Clearly those who voted to leave feel otherwise,
and that Britain has lost a lot too, particularly with
who gets to decide policy, what Britain can do
about being selective about what EU citizens are
free to move to Britain and all sorts of other stuff too.

It was a pity some of the problems could
not have been resolved from within.

The problem is that the EU is completely intransigent on
its 4 freedoms and its inevitable march to ever increasing
political integration and **** all real democracy at all.

I do have the option to remain in the EU and I am
taking it. I owe this country nothing. I have been
taxed to the hilt all my life and had nothing in return.

You have just said the exact opposite yourself above.

I paid my way.

Bet you didn't with your school education.

Never was out of work and never sent
any sprogs for any form of education.

But did have the state educate you.

And you certainly had education alone in return.

I paid for it!

Not with your school education you didn't.

Didn't have a choice, it was forced upon me.

Sure, but the fact remains, you didn't in fact pay your way
at all in that area, a vital part of what you turned into.

Some subjects were a total waste of time anyway,
I would have claimed a refund had I have paid.

Sure, but clearly not all were.

I had a grant for two years but my connections with
industry ensured that even then the taxes I paid far
exceeded the paltry few hundred I received.

Not true of your school education.

See above

See above

Personally I see little hope for the future.

You might well feel the same way when the eurozone implodes.

Incidentally one thing I do feel strongly about which at the
moment is only loosely related to the EU are the people that
come to this country and make every attempt to be different
from the mainstream British society. These are not on the
whole EU citizens, but are usually islamic.

Why is that any different to what Brits do in Spain etc ?

I have never been to spain, but as far as I am aware the only
cultural difference seems to be a tendency to consume every
bit of cheap booze in the country then go for a hospital visit.

There is the small matter of the language
they speak and the food they eat etc etc etc.

Get real! Language skills do not come easy to a lot of Brits,

Just as true of plenty of muslims.

this isn't a deliberate attempt at difference
by any stretch of the imagination.

It isnt with plenty of muslims too.

Likewise the food, it is no doubt what's available locally.

Fraid not.

I have little doubt that some Brit's would tend to insist on chips
most of the time, but it isn't a deliberate attempt to be different.

It isnt with most muslims either.

The only disgusting thing I saw on my travels regarding "ethnic"
fodder merchants was a Mc Donalds in Ghent of all places.

Now that is a "bit of culture" that needs removing.

Clearly those who use it feel differently.

Outside that, the food people eat is their own business.
Likewise language is usually to communicate conveniently,
unless of course it's the native tongue used by people in
North Wales, where it's a useful tool for alienating the English.

I would imagine Spanish culture isn't too far removed from ours,

It is anyway.

they seem to make our criminals welcome anyway.

Yeah, they have always cared much more about the cash they have.

France seems to have quite a problem at
present and I would be concerned if we ended
up with what in effect are segregated areas.

There always have been those, since long before any muslims
showed up in enough numbers to be able to do that.

And isnt just muslims doing it either.

That's interesting, I wasn't aware of it.

Have a look at how the Poles operate sometime.

You surprise me!

And those from the Caribbean.

It only seems to be the Muslims that
get the notoriety at the moment.

There is always some group that stands
out at any particular point in time.

I know it probably isn't politically correct but the act of
covering One's face has sinister overtones. Not only that,
but I have had a few near misses in Birmingham because
of idiots wearing garb with the postbox slot whilst driving.
It's probably why the Saudis ban women drivers incidentally,

Nope, they realise that women can't drive.

and is nothing to do with the more obvious
problems women have controlling cars.

Saudis women don't all wear the birkas.

This would be the only area I would have concerns over.
The possibility of saturating the country with people of
a none western culture who are not prepared to integrate
then go on to force aspects of their culture onto us.

They don't force any aspect of their culture on anyone
except with the caterwauling from their mosques and
that is banned in every western country I can think of.

I beg to differ! Rushdie provoked a few marches, and
the British ability to find an amusing side to any person
or situation has led to a few plays being cancelled

Corse nothing like that has ever happened with wowsers, eh ?

"Two wrongs!"

Don't see you demanding that the wowser change the way they do things.

Wowsers? I have no idea what you are on about.

It was the wowsers that got most of the plays cancelled.

If you mean censorship in principle I'm against it, however if there
was no censorship at all the qality of entertainment would plummet.

IMO those who pay to watch entertainment should
decide whether they want to watch it or not. There
is no place for the govt deciding what can be watched.

not to mention death threats.

Corse nothing like that has ever happened from the Irish, eh ?

A totally different scenario. The rise of the IRA,
or PIRA or whatever was to rectify an injuctice.

The muslims feel the same way.

You are arguing from the wrong perspective.

Nope.

A lot of Muslims seem to delight in being different,

Corse nothing like that every happened with hippys eh ?

they do not dress like westerners

Most of them do.

and some try to impose their cultural values on natives of these islands.

Corse no wowsers ever do anything like that, eh ?

I do not think terrorists are quite as easy to categorise. They seem
to have a goal, not a common religion or ethnicity, in fact the only
common factor connecting thm is probably the sense of injustice.

So no different to the IRA and the Welsh etc in that regard.

Nothing to do with forcing a religion
or culture onto a different society.

No muslims are doing anything like that.

I think you are responding to a bit of selective cut & pasting on your
part.

Nope, the most I ever did is break a sentence to make it
clear which bit I am making a particular comment about.

If you have a comment don't cut & connect to
distort the meaning of the preceeding statement.

I did nothing of the sort.

What about the poor chap in Scotland? You can say it's
a one off crime, but it's still a "commandment" that' is
interpreted very literally by a lot of muslims [I would
assume by all of those supporting ISIS incidentally].

Corse no one ever tried to blow up Maggie, eh ?

Nothing to do with culture.

Corse it was.

Oh yes of course, lot's of cultures around the world blow their
politicians up. Stormont no doubt puts a lot of its members into
orbit, a bit like dancing an Irish jig but with a bit more Semtex.

Its Maggie's radically different culture to that
of the IRA that saw them try to blow her up.

I'm sure a few Iraqis would like to blow Blair up, apart from
this little foible they would no doubt carry on being Manchester
Unites supporters and supporting western values.

They clearly must be into the way the west does
things otherwise they wouldn't have moved to Britain.

We have Blair to thank for that.

Nope. Most of them showed up in Britain LONG
before Blair had any say on anything at all politically.

Thanks to Iraq turning into a haven for ISIS a lot of the
population of Iraq and Syria need a place of safety,

**** all of those have ended up in Britain.

of course the ISIS "sleepers" need a ticket out also.

I suspect the staff of Charlie Hebdo may also voice an opinion?

Same with all those blown up by the irish.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-1471584.html

Precisely.

The Irish are not the only one's with
a bit of a thing about the English.

Yep, there is also Culloden.

I suppose a tendency for men to wear skirts might be classed as a
cultural thing, not to mention eating that obnoxious pale pink stuff
they call "square sausage". Still they don't force it on people

Cumberland forced plenty on them and even banned their language.

and the fact that a few places do a decent Arbroath Smokie renders
the Scotts notable failings with nearly every other dish forgiveable

Muslims don't force anything on anyone either.

And those hairy legged barbarians are just as bad with
the dresses they wear in public as the muslims are with
the clothes some of them choose to wear in public.

Again it isn't a deliberate effort to seperate
cultures, just a response to a percieved injustice.

That's what the muslims are doing.

Total garbage.

We'll see...

Muslim terrorism isn't a culture.

But Islam is.

And so is men wearing dresses in public.

Anyway What's done is done. I hope that thing
turn out o/k for Britain, but I do not really think
things are too rosy for the forseeable future.

Bet it all turns out fine.

I do hope it does, sadly though we are not off to a good start.
I never thought Virginia May was a very good politician,

I never thought any of them were, including Maggie and Churchill.
The most any of them are is not as bad as the worst of them.

but "in the land of the blind" the almost acceptable reigns supreme!

I guess the problem really is that the same people
that voted in the referendum also vote for their MP's :-)

Bet they don't. You never see that level of turnout in general
elections, particularly now that Labour is completely
unelectable to govt and UKIP has passed its useby date.

Clegg's seen an angle.

His party is even more completely irrelevant than UKIP.

Hard to blame the bloke I suppose, collective amnesia
may be a possibillty, but flying pigs will be commonplace
before he gets near No 10.

Yep, he's completely irrelevant politically.

At least we agree on something :-)

Bugger, now I will have to change my position. Have you
no sense of common decency and decorum what so ever ?

You sure you aren't a muslim ?

One can accommodate if you wish

Shia or Sunni?

Alawite thanks, more balls than those other infidels.

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:23:10 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote

Anyway, I suppose we will just have to differ in our approach
to the EU. I have a lot to be grateful for incidentally, I know
my job would not exist if Britain had not joined the EU.

Hard to say how accurate that is given you
keep refusing to say what your job involves.

I work for a number of industries at all levels.

So it is unlikely that your job would not exist if Britain
had not joined the EU given how many of you Brits
are involved all over the world in various industrys.

I would want nothing on usenet to tie back to my work.

Sure.

This is not because my opinions vary in accordance with
the people I'm with, it's just that people can easily build
the wrong picture of a person with a few selective quotes.

Sure.

My name isn't actually Archibald incidentally :-)

Damn, there goes another illusion shattered.

Water would still be under state ownership

I don't believe that given how much Maggie privatised.

Yes it would. The government would have to open up so much
to private investment in order to invest, so it wasn't seen as viable.

I don't believe that you can predict what Blair might have done.

and no major improvements to the
infrastructure would have been carried out.

I don't believe that either. That is the modern
fashion/fad and IMO Britain would have done
that even if it had not chosen to be part of the
EU and it has certainly happened in plenty of
places that aren't in the EU.

Your opinion!

That isn't opinion, that is historical fact.

Europe has set the standards for years.

Like hell it has.

For some reason the British government has always been
reticent about identifying legislation that came from the EU

But it is trivially easy to see what regulations
and directives the EU has produced.

A copy of the Irish Times normally
identifies quite clearly what is EU driven.

And anyone with even half a clue can see what
directives and regulations the EU has issued.

Unless it relates directly to One's profession I think
most people, like myself rely on the national papers.

I doubt that many do anymore. There's
a reason so many are going broke now.

EU membership has completely changed Britain for the better.

That is very arguable indeed, even with immigration.

I clearly remember a time before we were in the EU.

So I because I am older than you.

I think we have gained a lot.

Clearly those who voted to leave feel otherwise,
and that Britain has lost a lot too, particularly with
who gets to decide policy, what Britain can do
about being selective about what EU citizens are
free to move to Britain and all sorts of other stuff too.

It was a pity some of the problems could
not have been resolved from within.

The problem is that the EU is completely intransigent on
its 4 freedoms and its inevitable march to ever increasing
political integration and **** all real democracy at all.

I do have the option to remain in the EU and I am
taking it. I owe this country nothing. I have been
taxed to the hilt all my life and had nothing in return.

You have just said the exact opposite yourself above.

I paid my way.

Bet you didn't with your school education.

Never was out of work and never sent
any sprogs for any form of education.

But did have the state educate you.

And you certainly had education alone in return.

I paid for it!

Not with your school education you didn't.

Didn't have a choice, it was forced upon me.

Sure, but the fact remains, you didn't in fact pay your way
at all in that area, a vital part of what you turned into.

Some subjects were a total waste of time anyway,
I would have claimed a refund had I have paid.

Sure, but clearly not all were.

I had a grant for two years but my connections with
industry ensured that even then the taxes I paid far
exceeded the paltry few hundred I received.

Not true of your school education.

See above

See above

Personally I see little hope for the future.

You might well feel the same way when the eurozone implodes.

Incidentally one thing I do feel strongly about which at the
moment is only loosely related to the EU are the people that
come to this country and make every attempt to be different
from the mainstream British society. These are not on the
whole EU citizens, but are usually islamic.

Why is that any different to what Brits do in Spain etc ?

I have never been to spain, but as far as I am aware the only
cultural difference seems to be a tendency to consume every
bit of cheap booze in the country then go for a hospital visit.

There is the small matter of the language
they speak and the food they eat etc etc etc.

Get real! Language skills do not come easy to a lot of Brits,

Just as true of plenty of muslims.

this isn't a deliberate attempt at difference
by any stretch of the imagination.

It isnt with plenty of muslims too.

Likewise the food, it is no doubt what's available locally.

Fraid not.

I have little doubt that some Brit's would tend to insist on chips
most of the time, but it isn't a deliberate attempt to be different.

It isnt with most muslims either.

The only disgusting thing I saw on my travels regarding "ethnic"
fodder merchants was a Mc Donalds in Ghent of all places.

Now that is a "bit of culture" that needs removing.

Clearly those who use it feel differently.

Outside that, the food people eat is their own business.
Likewise language is usually to communicate conveniently,
unless of course it's the native tongue used by people in
North Wales, where it's a useful tool for alienating the English.

I would imagine Spanish culture isn't too far removed from ours,

It is anyway.

they seem to make our criminals welcome anyway.

Yeah, they have always cared much more about the cash they have.

France seems to have quite a problem at
present and I would be concerned if we ended
up with what in effect are segregated areas.

There always have been those, since long before any muslims
showed up in enough numbers to be able to do that.

And isnt just muslims doing it either.

That's interesting, I wasn't aware of it.

Have a look at how the Poles operate sometime.

You surprise me!

And those from the Caribbean.

It only seems to be the Muslims that
get the notoriety at the moment.

There is always some group that stands
out at any particular point in time.

I know it probably isn't politically correct but the act of
covering One's face has sinister overtones. Not only that,
but I have had a few near misses in Birmingham because
of idiots wearing garb with the postbox slot whilst driving.
It's probably why the Saudis ban women drivers incidentally,

Nope, they realise that women can't drive.

and is nothing to do with the more obvious
problems women have controlling cars.

Saudis women don't all wear the birkas.

This would be the only area I would have concerns over.
The possibility of saturating the country with people of
a none western culture who are not prepared to integrate
then go on to force aspects of their culture onto us.

They don't force any aspect of their culture on anyone
except with the caterwauling from their mosques and
that is banned in every western country I can think of.

I beg to differ! Rushdie provoked a few marches, and
the British ability to find an amusing side to any person
or situation has led to a few plays being cancelled

Corse nothing like that has ever happened with wowsers, eh ?

"Two wrongs!"

Don't see you demanding that the wowser change the way they do things.

Wowsers? I have no idea what you are on about.

It was the wowsers that got most of the plays cancelled.

If you mean censorship in principle I'm against it, however if there
was no censorship at all the qality of entertainment would plummet.

IMO those who pay to watch entertainment should
decide whether they want to watch it or not. There
is no place for the govt deciding what can be watched.

not to mention death threats.

Corse nothing like that has ever happened from the Irish, eh ?

A totally different scenario. The rise of the IRA,
or PIRA or whatever was to rectify an injuctice.

The muslims feel the same way.

You are arguing from the wrong perspective.

Nope.

A lot of Muslims seem to delight in being different,

Corse nothing like that every happened with hippys eh ?

they do not dress like westerners

Most of them do.

and some try to impose their cultural values on natives of these islands.

Corse no wowsers ever do anything like that, eh ?

I do not think terrorists are quite as easy to categorise. They seem
to have a goal, not a common religion or ethnicity, in fact the only
common factor connecting thm is probably the sense of injustice.

So no different to the IRA and the Welsh etc in that regard.

Nothing to do with forcing a religion
or culture onto a different society.

No muslims are doing anything like that.

I think you are responding to a bit of selective cut & pasting on your
part.

Nope, the most I ever did is break a sentence to make it
clear which bit I am making a particular comment about.

If you have a comment don't cut & connect to
distort the meaning of the preceeding statement.

I did nothing of the sort.

What about the poor chap in Scotland? You can say it's
a one off crime, but it's still a "commandment" that' is
interpreted very literally by a lot of muslims [I would
assume by all of those supporting ISIS incidentally].

Corse no one ever tried to blow up Maggie, eh ?

Nothing to do with culture.

Corse it was.

Oh yes of course, lot's of cultures around the world blow their
politicians up. Stormont no doubt puts a lot of its members into
orbit, a bit like dancing an Irish jig but with a bit more Semtex.

Its Maggie's radically different culture to that
of the IRA that saw them try to blow her up.


Unless you know differently then I would assume that Maggie wouldn't
be to different on a cultural level.

Blowing people up is a crime, not a cultural diversion.

You appear to be over simplifying complex problems by using the term
"culture" so glibly.

This type of simplistic response to a multifaceted problem is what's
taken Britain on the disatarous path we have embarked on.

I'm sure a few Iraqis would like to blow Blair up, apart from
this little foible they would no doubt carry on being Manchester
Unites supporters and supporting western values.

They clearly must be into the way the west does
things otherwise they wouldn't have moved to Britain.

We have Blair to thank for that.

Nope. Most of them showed up in Britain LONG
before Blair had any say on anything at all politically.


Not many Iraqis and Syrians. Blairs fiasco left Iraq open to ISIS. The
problem now is that ISIS are fighting for an ideal, a culture if you
like, and the slightly problematical thing is that they are not to
keen on infidels and they have a quite strong desire for martyrdom.

Thanks to Iraq turning into a haven for ISIS a lot of the
population of Iraq and Syria need a place of safety,

**** all of those have ended up in Britain.

We don't count and we don't know remember.


of course the ISIS "sleepers" need a ticket out also.

I suspect the staff of Charlie Hebdo may also voice an opinion?

Same with all those blown up by the irish.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-1471584.html

Precisely.

The Irish are not the only one's with
a bit of a thing about the English.

Yep, there is also Culloden.

I suppose a tendency for men to wear skirts might be classed as a
cultural thing, not to mention eating that obnoxious pale pink stuff
they call "square sausage". Still they don't force it on people

Cumberland forced plenty on them and even banned their language.

and the fact that a few places do a decent Arbroath Smokie renders
the Scotts notable failings with nearly every other dish forgiveable

Muslims don't force anything on anyone either.

And those hairy legged barbarians are just as bad with
the dresses they wear in public as the muslims are with
the clothes some of them choose to wear in public.

I have never been forced to stop because a Scotsman couldn't see the
road in front of him.

Muslims get preferential treatment by wearing their cover all garbage.
This fact alone needs addressing in a fair and equal society.


Again it isn't a deliberate effort to seperate
cultures, just a response to a percieved injustice.

That's what the muslims are doing.



Total garbage.

We'll see...

Muslim terrorism isn't a culture.

But Islam is.

And so is men wearing dresses in public.

Anyway What's done is done. I hope that thing
turn out o/k for Britain, but I do not really think
things are too rosy for the forseeable future.

Bet it all turns out fine.

I do hope it does, sadly though we are not off to a good start.
I never thought Virginia May was a very good politician,

I never thought any of them were, including Maggie and Churchill.
The most any of them are is not as bad as the worst of them.

but "in the land of the blind" the almost acceptable reigns supreme!

I guess the problem really is that the same people
that voted in the referendum also vote for their MP's :-)

Bet they don't. You never see that level of turnout in general
elections, particularly now that Labour is completely
unelectable to govt and UKIP has passed its useby date.

Clegg's seen an angle.

His party is even more completely irrelevant than UKIP.

Hard to blame the bloke I suppose, collective amnesia
may be a possibillty, but flying pigs will be commonplace
before he gets near No 10.

Yep, he's completely irrelevant politically.

At least we agree on something :-)

Bugger, now I will have to change my position. Have you
no sense of common decency and decorum what so ever ?

You sure you aren't a muslim ?

One can accommodate if you wish

Shia or Sunni?

Alawite thanks, more balls than those other infidels.
AB

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On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:23:10 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote

Anyway, I suppose we will just have to differ in our approach
to the EU. I have a lot to be grateful for incidentally, I know
my job would not exist if Britain had not joined the EU.

Hard to say how accurate that is given you
keep refusing to say what your job involves.

I work for a number of industries at all levels.

So it is unlikely that your job would not exist if Britain
had not joined the EU given how many of you Brits
are involved all over the world in various industrys.

I would want nothing on usenet to tie back to my work.

Sure.

This is not because my opinions vary in accordance with
the people I'm with, it's just that people can easily build
the wrong picture of a person with a few selective quotes.

Sure.

My name isn't actually Archibald incidentally :-)

Damn, there goes another illusion shattered.

Water would still be under state ownership

I don't believe that given how much Maggie privatised.

Yes it would. The government would have to open up so much
to private investment in order to invest, so it wasn't seen as
viable.

I don't believe that you can predict what Blair might have done.

and no major improvements to the
infrastructure would have been carried out.

I don't believe that either. That is the modern
fashion/fad and IMO Britain would have done
that even if it had not chosen to be part of the
EU and it has certainly happened in plenty of
places that aren't in the EU.

Your opinion!

That isn't opinion, that is historical fact.

Europe has set the standards for years.

Like hell it has.

For some reason the British government has always been
reticent about identifying legislation that came from the EU

But it is trivially easy to see what regulations
and directives the EU has produced.

A copy of the Irish Times normally
identifies quite clearly what is EU driven.

And anyone with even half a clue can see what
directives and regulations the EU has issued.

Unless it relates directly to One's profession I think
most people, like myself rely on the national papers.

I doubt that many do anymore. There's
a reason so many are going broke now.

EU membership has completely changed Britain for the better.

That is very arguable indeed, even with immigration.

I clearly remember a time before we were in the EU.

So I because I am older than you.

I think we have gained a lot.

Clearly those who voted to leave feel otherwise,
and that Britain has lost a lot too, particularly with
who gets to decide policy, what Britain can do
about being selective about what EU citizens are
free to move to Britain and all sorts of other stuff too.

It was a pity some of the problems could
not have been resolved from within.

The problem is that the EU is completely intransigent on
its 4 freedoms and its inevitable march to ever increasing
political integration and **** all real democracy at all.

I do have the option to remain in the EU and I am
taking it. I owe this country nothing. I have been
taxed to the hilt all my life and had nothing in return.

You have just said the exact opposite yourself above.

I paid my way.

Bet you didn't with your school education.

Never was out of work and never sent
any sprogs for any form of education.

But did have the state educate you.

And you certainly had education alone in return.

I paid for it!

Not with your school education you didn't.

Didn't have a choice, it was forced upon me.

Sure, but the fact remains, you didn't in fact pay your way
at all in that area, a vital part of what you turned into.

Some subjects were a total waste of time anyway,
I would have claimed a refund had I have paid.

Sure, but clearly not all were.

I had a grant for two years but my connections with
industry ensured that even then the taxes I paid far
exceeded the paltry few hundred I received.

Not true of your school education.

See above

See above

Personally I see little hope for the future.

You might well feel the same way when the eurozone implodes.

Incidentally one thing I do feel strongly about which at the
moment is only loosely related to the EU are the people that
come to this country and make every attempt to be different
from the mainstream British society. These are not on the
whole EU citizens, but are usually islamic.

Why is that any different to what Brits do in Spain etc ?

I have never been to spain, but as far as I am aware the only
cultural difference seems to be a tendency to consume every
bit of cheap booze in the country then go for a hospital visit.

There is the small matter of the language
they speak and the food they eat etc etc etc.

Get real! Language skills do not come easy to a lot of Brits,

Just as true of plenty of muslims.

this isn't a deliberate attempt at difference
by any stretch of the imagination.

It isnt with plenty of muslims too.

Likewise the food, it is no doubt what's available locally.

Fraid not.

I have little doubt that some Brit's would tend to insist on chips
most of the time, but it isn't a deliberate attempt to be different.

It isnt with most muslims either.

The only disgusting thing I saw on my travels regarding "ethnic"
fodder merchants was a Mc Donalds in Ghent of all places.

Now that is a "bit of culture" that needs removing.

Clearly those who use it feel differently.

Outside that, the food people eat is their own business.
Likewise language is usually to communicate conveniently,
unless of course it's the native tongue used by people in
North Wales, where it's a useful tool for alienating the English.

I would imagine Spanish culture isn't too far removed from ours,

It is anyway.

they seem to make our criminals welcome anyway.

Yeah, they have always cared much more about the cash they have.

France seems to have quite a problem at
present and I would be concerned if we ended
up with what in effect are segregated areas.

There always have been those, since long before any muslims
showed up in enough numbers to be able to do that.

And isnt just muslims doing it either.

That's interesting, I wasn't aware of it.

Have a look at how the Poles operate sometime.

You surprise me!

And those from the Caribbean.

It only seems to be the Muslims that
get the notoriety at the moment.

There is always some group that stands
out at any particular point in time.

I know it probably isn't politically correct but the act of
covering One's face has sinister overtones. Not only that,
but I have had a few near misses in Birmingham because
of idiots wearing garb with the postbox slot whilst driving.
It's probably why the Saudis ban women drivers incidentally,

Nope, they realise that women can't drive.

and is nothing to do with the more obvious
problems women have controlling cars.

Saudis women don't all wear the birkas.

This would be the only area I would have concerns over.
The possibility of saturating the country with people of
a none western culture who are not prepared to integrate
then go on to force aspects of their culture onto us.

They don't force any aspect of their culture on anyone
except with the caterwauling from their mosques and
that is banned in every western country I can think of.

I beg to differ! Rushdie provoked a few marches, and
the British ability to find an amusing side to any person
or situation has led to a few plays being cancelled

Corse nothing like that has ever happened with wowsers, eh ?

"Two wrongs!"

Don't see you demanding that the wowser change the way they do things.

Wowsers? I have no idea what you are on about.

It was the wowsers that got most of the plays cancelled.

If you mean censorship in principle I'm against it, however if there
was no censorship at all the qality of entertainment would plummet.

IMO those who pay to watch entertainment should
decide whether they want to watch it or not. There
is no place for the govt deciding what can be watched.

not to mention death threats.

Corse nothing like that has ever happened from the Irish, eh ?

A totally different scenario. The rise of the IRA,
or PIRA or whatever was to rectify an injuctice.

The muslims feel the same way.

You are arguing from the wrong perspective.

Nope.

A lot of Muslims seem to delight in being different,

Corse nothing like that every happened with hippys eh ?

they do not dress like westerners

Most of them do.

and some try to impose their cultural values on natives of these
islands.

Corse no wowsers ever do anything like that, eh ?

I do not think terrorists are quite as easy to categorise. They seem
to have a goal, not a common religion or ethnicity, in fact the only
common factor connecting thm is probably the sense of injustice.

So no different to the IRA and the Welsh etc in that regard.

Nothing to do with forcing a religion
or culture onto a different society.

No muslims are doing anything like that.

I think you are responding to a bit of selective cut & pasting on your
part.

Nope, the most I ever did is break a sentence to make it
clear which bit I am making a particular comment about.

If you have a comment don't cut & connect to
distort the meaning of the preceeding statement.

I did nothing of the sort.

What about the poor chap in Scotland? You can say it's
a one off crime, but it's still a "commandment" that' is
interpreted very literally by a lot of muslims [I would
assume by all of those supporting ISIS incidentally].

Corse no one ever tried to blow up Maggie, eh ?

Nothing to do with culture.

Corse it was.

Oh yes of course, lot's of cultures around the world blow their
politicians up. Stormont no doubt puts a lot of its members into
orbit, a bit like dancing an Irish jig but with a bit more Semtex.

Its Maggie's radically different culture to that
of the IRA that saw them try to blow her up.


Unless you know differently then I would assume that
Maggie wouldn't be to different on a cultural level.

There's a world of difference between the
bog trotters and someone like Maggie.

Blowing people up is a crime,

Not when Blair did it. Or when Churchill did it either.

not a cultural diversion.

Never said anything about cultural diversion.

You appear to be over simplifying complex
problems by using the term "culture" so glibly.

You can't even work out that muslims arent imposing
anything on anyone, particularly when their caterwauling
is banned as it is in every modern first world country.

This type of simplistic response to a multifaceted problem is
what's taken Britain on the disatarous path we have embarked on.

There is no disastrous path, you watch.

I'm sure a few Iraqis would like to blow Blair up, apart from
this little foible they would no doubt carry on being Manchester
Unites supporters and supporting western values.

They clearly must be into the way the west does
things otherwise they wouldn't have moved to Britain.

We have Blair to thank for that.

Nope. Most of them showed up in Britain LONG
before Blair had any say on anything at all politically.

Not many Iraqis and Syrians.

But vastly more pakisatanis and bangladeshis than any of those.

Blairs fiasco left Iraq open to ISIS.

Corse there were never any yanks involved in any of that, eh, just Blair.

The problem now is that ISIS are fighting for an ideal, a culture if you
like,

Corse nothing like that happened in WW2, eh ?

and the slightly problematical thing is that they are not to keen
on infidels and they have a quite strong desire for martyrdom.

Corse nothing like that happened in WW2, eh ?

Thanks to Iraq turning into a haven for ISIS a lot of the
population of Iraq and Syria need a place of safety,

**** all of those have ended up in Britain.

We don't count and we don't know remember.

Try that again in english.

of course the ISIS "sleepers" need a ticket out also.

I suspect the staff of Charlie Hebdo may also voice an opinion?

Same with all those blown up by the irish.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...n-1471584.html

Precisely.

The Irish are not the only one's with
a bit of a thing about the English.

Yep, there is also Culloden.

I suppose a tendency for men to wear skirts might be classed as a
cultural thing, not to mention eating that obnoxious pale pink stuff
they call "square sausage". Still they don't force it on people

Cumberland forced plenty on them and even banned their language.

and the fact that a few places do a decent Arbroath Smokie renders
the Scotts notable failings with nearly every other dish forgiveable

Muslims don't force anything on anyone either.

And those hairy legged barbarians are just as bad with
the dresses they wear in public as the muslims are with
the clothes some of them choose to wear in public.

I have never been forced to stop because a
Scotsman couldn't see the road in front of him.

But have been forced to stop when one of them
falls over blotto in the middle of the road.

Muslims get preferential treatment by wearing their cover all garbage.

Just as true of the hairy legged barbarians and their dresses.

This fact alone needs addressing in a fair and equal society.

Just as true of the hairy legged barbarians and their dresses.

Again it isn't a deliberate effort to seperate
cultures, just a response to a percieved injustice.

That's what the muslims are doing.



Total garbage.

We'll see...

Muslim terrorism isn't a culture.

But Islam is.

And so is men wearing dresses in public.

Anyway What's done is done. I hope that thing
turn out o/k for Britain, but I do not really think
things are too rosy for the forseeable future.

Bet it all turns out fine.

I do hope it does, sadly though we are not off to a good start.
I never thought Virginia May was a very good politician,

I never thought any of them were, including Maggie and Churchill.
The most any of them are is not as bad as the worst of them.

but "in the land of the blind" the almost acceptable reigns supreme!

I guess the problem really is that the same people
that voted in the referendum also vote for their MP's :-)

Bet they don't. You never see that level of turnout in general
elections, particularly now that Labour is completely
unelectable to govt and UKIP has passed its useby date.

Clegg's seen an angle.

His party is even more completely irrelevant than UKIP.

Hard to blame the bloke I suppose, collective amnesia
may be a possibillty, but flying pigs will be commonplace
before he gets near No 10.

Yep, he's completely irrelevant politically.

At least we agree on something :-)

Bugger, now I will have to change my position. Have you
no sense of common decency and decorum what so ever ?

You sure you aren't a muslim ?

One can accommodate if you wish

Shia or Sunni?

Alawite thanks, more balls than those other infidels.