On my upvc back door I have a Euro cylinder lock which seems to be
standard in as much as it can be operated from both sides with a key but
once the key is in one side, it cannot be operated from the other side.
A youtube video here shows how this function works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwry4nbSSDg

However I want to be able to operate the lock from both sides.
Can you get variants of a Euro cylinder that will allow this and what
are they called please.

TIA

Bob

Bob Minchin wrote:
On my upvc back door I have a Euro cylinder lock which seems to be
standard in as much as it can be operated from both sides with a key but
once the key is in one side, it cannot be operated from the other side.
A youtube video here shows how this function works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwry4nbSSDg

However I want to be able to operate the lock from both sides.
Can you get variants of a Euro cylinder that will allow this and what
are they called please.

I'm not sure such a thing exists. If you're happy to leave a key in the
lock on the inside, why not just replace it with a thumb wheel actuated
lock?

That way it can be locked from the inside but unlocked from the outside
with a key.

Tim

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Tim+ wrote:
Bob Minchin wrote:
On my upvc back door I have a Euro cylinder lock which seems to be
standard in as much as it can be operated from both sides with a key but
once the key is in one side, it cannot be operated from the other side.
A youtube video here shows how this function works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwry4nbSSDg

However I want to be able to operate the lock from both sides.
Can you get variants of a Euro cylinder that will allow this and what
are they called please.

I'm not sure such a thing exists. If you're happy to leave a key in the
lock on the inside, why not just replace it with a thumb wheel actuated
lock?

That way it can be locked from the inside but unlocked from the outside
with a key.

Tim

OK so are you sure that a lock secured from the inside with such a
button can be opened with a key from the outside?
I'm not saying they cannot but want to be sure before buying one.

Bob

Bob Minchin wrote:
Tim+ wrote:
Bob Minchin wrote:
On my upvc back door I have a Euro cylinder lock which seems to be
standard in as much as it can be operated from both sides with a key but
once the key is in one side, it cannot be operated from the other side.
A youtube video here shows how this function works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwry4nbSSDg

However I want to be able to operate the lock from both sides.
Can you get variants of a Euro cylinder that will allow this and what
are they called please.

I'm not sure such a thing exists. If you're happy to leave a key in the
lock on the inside, why not just replace it with a thumb wheel actuated
lock?

That way it can be locked from the inside but unlocked from the outside
with a key.

Tim

OK so are you sure that a lock secured from the inside with such a
button can be opened with a key from the outside?
I'm not saying they cannot but want to be sure before buying one.

Bob


It's not a button, it's a thumb wheel that replaces the key on one side.

e.g.
http://www.screwfix.com/p/smith-lock...m-nickel/6409g

And yes, you can unlock it with a key from the outside when locked.

Tim

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On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 19:41:41 -0000 (UTC), Tim+
wrote:

Bob Minchin wrote:
On my upvc back door I have a Euro cylinder lock which seems to be
standard in as much as it can be operated from both sides with a key but
once the key is in one side, it cannot be operated from the other side.
A youtube video here shows how this function works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwry4nbSSDg

However I want to be able to operate the lock from both sides.
Can you get variants of a Euro cylinder that will allow this and what
are they called please.

I'm not sure such a thing exists. If you're happy to leave a key in the
lock on the inside, why not just replace it with a thumb wheel actuated
lock?

They do exist but I haven't a clue what they are called. They were
being advertised as suitable for the infirm last time I bought some
standard ones.

On Sunday, 3 July 2016 20:30:16 UTC+1, Bob Minchin wrote:
On my upvc back door I have a Euro cylinder lock which seems to be
standard in as much as it can be operated from both sides with a key but
once the key is in one side, it cannot be operated from the other side.
A youtube video here shows how this function works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwry4nbSSDg

However I want to be able to operate the lock from both sides.
Can you get variants of a Euro cylinder that will allow this and what
are they called please.

TIA

Bob

With some, a key in side A blocks key action on side B & vice versa. With some it doesn't. I'd go to a shop & try one.


NT

If you go for a thumbscrew type and your door has a letter opening anywhere near the lock then get a security cover for the letter opening on the inside.

Richard

On 03/07/2016 20:29, Bob Minchin wrote:
However I want to be able to operate the lock from both sides.
Can you get variants of a Euro cylinder that will allow this and what
are they called please.

Yes you can:


£14.00 (£16.80 inc VAT)

New ABUS E60 Series Euro Double NP Cylinder with 8 drill protection pins
in every keyway

The E60 range has the new emergency & convenience feature where outside
key operates lock even with the internal key in place. This means you
will not get locked out if you leave a key on the inside (as long as you
have a key to use from outside)

On 03/07/2016 21:04, Bob Minchin wrote:
Tim+ wrote:
Bob Minchin wrote:
On my upvc back door I have a Euro cylinder lock which seems to be
standard in as much as it can be operated from both sides with a key but
once the key is in one side, it cannot be operated from the other side.
A youtube video here shows how this function works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwry4nbSSDg

However I want to be able to operate the lock from both sides.
Can you get variants of a Euro cylinder that will allow this and what
are they called please.

I'm not sure such a thing exists. If you're happy to leave a key in the
lock on the inside, why not just replace it with a thumb wheel actuated
lock?

That way it can be locked from the inside but unlocked from the outside
with a key.

Tim

OK so are you sure that a lock secured from the inside with such a
button can be opened with a key from the outside?
I'm not saying they cannot but want to be sure before buying one.

Bob
They can. We have three of them (all taking the same key) they are
preferable by the fire service.

Mike

I've just been measuring my door lock thickness and from what I can tell a
key in both sides would not work, it would just part push out the key on the
other side and wedge the lock.

This is what used to happen in days of yore of course, hence I suspect the
gadget you mention was invented.
Brian

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Bob Minchin wrote:
On my upvc back door I have a Euro cylinder lock which seems to be
standard in as much as it can be operated from both sides with a key but
once the key is in one side, it cannot be operated from the other side.
A youtube video here shows how this function works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwry4nbSSDg

However I want to be able to operate the lock from both sides.
Can you get variants of a Euro cylinder that will allow this and what
are they called please.

I'm not sure such a thing exists. If you're happy to leave a key in the
lock on the inside, why not just replace it with a thumb wheel actuated
lock?

That way it can be locked from the inside but unlocked from the outside
with a key.

Tim

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Tricky Dicky wrote:
If you go for a thumbscrew type and your door has a letter opening anywhere near the lock then get a security cover for the letter opening on the inside.

Richard

Good point generally but this is our back door to the garden so full
length glazed and no letter plate.

ss wrote:
On 03/07/2016 20:29, Bob Minchin wrote:
However I want to be able to operate the lock from both sides.
Can you get variants of a Euro cylinder that will allow this and what
are they called please.

Yes you can:


£14.00 (£16.80 inc VAT)

New ABUS E60 Series Euro Double NP Cylinder with 8 drill protection pins
in every keyway

The E60 range has the new emergency & convenience feature where outside
key operates lock even with the internal key in place. This means you
will not get locked out if you leave a key on the inside (as long as you
have a key to use from outside)



Excellent! thank you

"Emergency" and "convenience" seem to be the search terms