If you've got misgivings about too many
Polish builders being over here, along with,
The French, the Germans the Italians in general
not forgetting the Greeks then that' o.k. That's
just xenophobia. And most people don't really
know what it means in any case.
However if you've got misgivings about dusky
skinned people, and not so dusky some of
them, with beards, and women and kids wearing
shawls or scarves then that's probably racism.

And so congratulations are in order.

As this referendum was the first time in the
history of the UK where a nation-wide vote was
won on a primarily racist ticket.

Similarly this is probably the first time
a nation-wide vote has been won in any
country in Europe on a primarily racist
ticket since the Nazis became the largest
party in Germany in the 1930's

Which let's face has always been the best way of
deciding complex questions concerning the future
economic direction of any country.

This was about immigration and nothing else
although in the limited coverage I've seen
only Farage used the dreaded "I" word.

Economically and financially this is the UK
shooting itself in the foot. First the
nonsense about city fat cats. Right now in the
city and beyond there are thousands of young
people working for foreign owned banks, who
owe their position to having borrowed tens of
thousands of pounds to pass their exams, and then
borrowed more in an overheated housing market
so as to have somewhere to live with an hour
or two of work.

This morning many of those people are probably being
told and certainly will be before October that if they
want to keep their jobs they're going to have to sell
up and re-locate to an as yet unspecified location
outside the UK.

No doubt similar briefings are being given to workers
at the Nissan plant in Sunderland many of whom it
appears were more concerned about immigrants if the
polls are to be believed.

In the little I've seen they got Tebbit out of his
coffin, propped him up and asked him to speak.
"So do you think this means Airbus will no longer
buy their landing gear (or whatever) from Bloggs
Aviation here in the UK.?"
No actually no one does. But when investments are being
planned to manufacture the next generation of landing
gear or whatever where do you think they'll build the factory ?
Somewhere where they can attract the best engineers
in the EU, as Bloggs aviation possibly already do, or
from a country which can't even train enough plumbers.

The recession.

Things like the Wall Street Crash and the Property Crash
were caused by overvalued assets - bubbles bursting.
And any slowdown in activity followed on from those.
And so they're in no way comparable.
The coming recession in the UK needs no such cause
by will follow directly from a slow down of activity
feeding on itself.
Nobody is going to want to invest in the UK when there are
better prospects elsewhere, where they can attract
the best talent, while trade is going to be hampered
by obstacles which weren't there before and won't
be faced by our competitors.

The idea of a face off with the EU and possible
renegotiation is out of the window as well. The EU
like everyone else knows this is all about immigration
- plus freedom of movement of the best talent
throughout the EU. And given their history and resulting
guilt complex no German mainstream party is going to
budge on that.

So welcome everybody to the Third World.


michael adams

....

On 24/06/16 12:05, michael adams wrote:
If you've got misgivings about too many
Polish builders being over here, along with,
The French, the Germans the Italians in general
not forgetting the Greeks then that' o.k. That's
just xenophobia.

Ah - the "you're a racist" card. Nicely played.


And most people don't really
know what it means in any case.
However if you've got misgivings about dusky
skinned people, and not so dusky some of
them, with beards, and women and kids wearing
shawls or scarves then that's probably racism.

And so congratulations are in order.

As this referendum was the first time in the
history of the UK where a nation-wide vote was
won on a primarily racist ticket.

******** it was. It might have been won on a tribal ticket (English
and/or British being the "tribe" - but that does not imply racism in the
slightest.

You can be tribal without wanting to go to war with all the other
tribes, or exterminate them, or whatever. It's more a case of a case of
"smaller is better" - and it allows the tribes to hold varying ideas of
how to run their affairs, without any necessarily being "wrong".

It is a wholly failed socialist ideal to want to put everyone together
and make them play by a common set of rules. Doesn't work and never
will. Same as with education.

On 24/06/16 12:05, michael adams wrote:
If you've got misgivings about too many
Polish builders being over here, along with,
The French, the Germans the Italians in general
not forgetting the Greeks then that' o.k. That's
just xenophobia. And most people don't really
know what it means in any case.
However if you've got misgivings about dusky
skinned people, and not so dusky some of
them, with beards, and women and kids wearing
shawls or scarves then that's probably racism.

And so congratulations are in order.

As this referendum was the first time in the
history of the UK where a nation-wide vote was
won on a primarily racist ticket.

Similarly this is probably the first time
a nation-wide vote has been won in any
country in Europe on a primarily racist
ticket since the Nazis became the largest
party in Germany in the 1930's

Which let's face has always been the best way of
deciding complex questions concerning the future
economic direction of any country.

This was about immigration and nothing else
although in the limited coverage I've seen
only Farage used the dreaded "I" word.

Economically and financially this is the UK
shooting itself in the foot. First the
nonsense about city fat cats. Right now in the
city and beyond there are thousands of young
people working for foreign owned banks, who
owe their position to having borrowed tens of
thousands of pounds to pass their exams, and then
borrowed more in an overheated housing market
so as to have somewhere to live with an hour
or two of work.

This morning many of those people are probably being
told and certainly will be before October that if they
want to keep their jobs they're going to have to sell
up and re-locate to an as yet unspecified location
outside the UK.

No doubt similar briefings are being given to workers
at the Nissan plant in Sunderland many of whom it
appears were more concerned about immigrants if the
polls are to be believed.

In the little I've seen they got Tebbit out of his
coffin, propped him up and asked him to speak.
"So do you think this means Airbus will no longer
buy their landing gear (or whatever) from Bloggs
Aviation here in the UK.?"
No actually no one does. But when investments are being
planned to manufacture the next generation of landing
gear or whatever where do you think they'll build the factory ?
Somewhere where they can attract the best engineers
in the EU, as Bloggs aviation possibly already do, or
from a country which can't even train enough plumbers.

The recession.

Things like the Wall Street Crash and the Property Crash
were caused by overvalued assets - bubbles bursting.
And any slowdown in activity followed on from those.
And so they're in no way comparable.
The coming recession in the UK needs no such cause
by will follow directly from a slow down of activity
feeding on itself.
Nobody is going to want to invest in the UK when there are
better prospects elsewhere, where they can attract
the best talent, while trade is going to be hampered
by obstacles which weren't there before and won't
be faced by our competitors.

The idea of a face off with the EU and possible
renegotiation is out of the window as well. The EU
like everyone else knows this is all about immigration
- plus freedom of movement of the best talent
throughout the EU. And given their history and resulting
guilt complex no German mainstream party is going to
budge on that.

So welcome everybody to the Third World.


michael adams

...



The opposite of your definition of 'racism' is totally free movement of
people around the world. *If* that's what you're advocating, I think you
must be quite mad. The nation state is a vital building block of society
and to dismantle it, will lead to very dangerous instability.
Strange that nations have been fighting for recognition for centuries,
yet suddenly that's all changed, without any vote however !

On 24/06/2016 12:05, michael adams wrote:
If you've got misgivings about too many
Polish builders being over here, along with,
The French, the Germans the Italians in general
not forgetting the Greeks then that' o.k. That's
just xenophobia. And most people don't really
know what it means in any case.
However if you've got misgivings about dusky
skinned people, and not so dusky some of
them, with beards, and women and kids wearing
shawls or scarves then that's probably racism.

And so congratulations are in order.

Thanks.

Have you consider that a large section of the workforce have an income
determined by the Living Wage for so long?

Have you considered that only a couple of decades ago Graduates could
generally buy a house within a year or two of getting a job? Can they now?

Has school building, road building kept up with population growth?

Have any new "Milton Keynes" been build in the past few years to house
the growing population?

If you blame the above on xenophobia, then you're as myopic as you can get.

michael adams wrote:

Crap cut.

Sore loser!

******** it was. It might have been won on a tribal ticket

Same difference.

Which let's face has always been the best way of
deciding complex questions concerning the future
economic direction of any country.


michael adams

....

"Andy Cap" wrote in message
o.uk...

The opposite of your definition of 'racism' is totally free movement of people around
the world. *If* that's what you're advocating,

I'm not advocating anything. All I'm pointing out is that its
very easy to play the racist/tribal/xenophobic card which appeals
to people's emotions and persuade them to vote for policies
with disastrous economic consequences which they don't even
pretend to understand.

As everybody in the UK is about to find out.

michael adams

....

"Fredxxx" wrote in message ...
On 24/06/2016 12:05, michael adams wrote:
If you've got misgivings about too many
Polish builders being over here, along with,
The French, the Germans the Italians in general
not forgetting the Greeks then that' o.k. That's
just xenophobia. And most people don't really
know what it means in any case.
However if you've got misgivings about dusky
skinned people, and not so dusky some of
them, with beards, and women and kids wearing
shawls or scarves then that's probably racism.

And so congratulations are in order.

Thanks.

Have you consider that a large section of the workforce have an income determined by
the Living Wage for so long?

Have you considered that only a couple of decades ago Graduates could generally buy a
house within a year or two of getting a job? Can they now?

Has school building, road building kept up with population growth?

Have any new "Milton Keynes" been build in the past few years to house the growing
population?

If you blame the above on xenophobia, then you're as myopic as you can get.

Sorry you've lost me.

I haven't mentioned any of the above, never mind blame
them on anything.

But if you seriously think any of the above will improve
after Brexit, then I think you're in for a bit of a
disappointment.


michael adams

....

On 24/06/16 12:58, michael adams wrote:
"Andy Cap" wrote in message
o.uk...

The opposite of your definition of 'racism' is totally free movement of people around
the world. *If* that's what you're advocating,

I'm not advocating anything. All I'm pointing out is that its
very easy to play the racist/tribal/xenophobic card which appeals
to people's emotions and persuade them to vote for policies
with disastrous economic consequences which they don't even
pretend to understand.

As everybody in the UK is about to find out.

michael adams


You are clearly suggesting that anyone who voted for Brexit has a
racist motive. That simply isn't true. Why don't you leave your front
door open and say you'll provide for anyone looking for a roof over
their head... oh and they will have a voice in how you run your house !
Of course you need to manage your resources, vet people's intentions and
plan ahead. Also to base any economy on an ever-expanding population is
simply unsustainable and very short-sighted.

On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 13:12:55 +0100, Andy Cap wrote:

On 24/06/16 12:58, michael adams wrote:
"Andy Cap" wrote in message
o.uk...

The opposite of your definition of 'racism' is totally free movement of
people around the world. *If* that's what you're advocating,

I'm not advocating anything. All I'm pointing out is that its very easy
to play the racist/tribal/xenophobic card which appeals to people's
emotions and persuade them to vote for policies with disastrous economic
consequences which they don't even pretend to understand.

As everybody in the UK is about to find out.

michael adams


You are clearly suggesting that anyone who voted for Brexit has a racist
motive. That simply isn't true.

So he's saying that anyone who voted for Brexit has a racist motive, &
that would include the British Blacks & Asians etc who voted to leave?
(Rhetorical question)

And "disastrous economic consequences"? Interesting that on June 13th in
the FT, the Deutche Bank (Germany's third largest bank) said that /if/ the
UK voted to leave, the pound would drop. However they said that this would
make UK exports more appealing to foreign importers & on the back of this
there would be more jobs. They said that after a fall, stocks would
outperform by the end of the year.

Why don't you leave your front door open
and say you'll provide for anyone looking for a roof over their head...
oh and they will have a voice in how you run your house ! Of course you
need to manage your resources, vet people's intentions and plan ahead.
Also to base any economy on an ever-expanding population is simply
unsustainable and very short-sighted.

--
€œThe most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the
apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet
Union in Western Europe.€� - Mikhail Gorbachev

"michael adams" wrote in message
...
snip
Bitter, much?

"Capitol" wrote in message
...
michael adams wrote:

Crap cut.

Sore loser!
Is the right answer.

"Martin Barclay" wrote in message
news
So he's saying that anyone who voted for Brexit has a racist motive, &
that would include the British Blacks & Asians etc who voted to leave?
(Rhetorical question)

They object to further immigration. As many of the vox pops on the
TV News confirm. Although funnily enough immigration and its role
in the vote is being studiously ignored by the pundits.

As to your rhetorical question. Many British Asians it seems are opposed
to further immigration.

Funnily enough the fate and future destination of refugees, which is where
pressure from immigration is still likely to come has also been conveniently
sidelined.

Boris just now on the TV "We're the 5th biggest economy in the World"

Er, as a result of having been in EU for the past 41 years

So let's leave !


michael adams

....

On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 13:51:26 +0100, michael adams wrote:

Boris just now on the TV "We're the 5th biggest economy in the World"

No, Boris. We were 5th biggest yesterday.
Today, we're 6th biggest. We've dropped behind France.

On 24/06/2016 12:27, Fredxxx wrote:

Have you considered that only a couple of decades ago Graduates could
generally buy a house within a year or two of getting a job? Can they now?

A few decades ago a graduate had a skill that people needed.
Now they graduate with media studies, etc. and no skill anyone wants.

Its what happens when you send most of the population to university, you
get lots of graduates but of low quality and skill levels.

You also end up with no apprentices to learn trades as only the really
poor performing pupils go for them.


Has school building, road building kept up with population growth?

Have any new "Milton Keynes" been build in the past few years to house
the growing population?

If you blame the above on xenophobia, then you're as myopic as you can get.

I blame it on comprehensive education and the general dumbing down of
education.

On 24/06/16 13:31, Martin Barclay wrote:
So he's saying that anyone who voted for Brexit has a racist motive, &
that would include the British Blacks & Asians etc who voted to leave?
(Rhetorical question)

My very close friend, who is Indian by birth, voted brexit.
So did Priti Patel

Do you want to tell him/her (s)he's a racist ****, or shall I?


--
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

On 24/06/16 13:52, Adrian wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 13:51:26 +0100, michael adams wrote:

Boris just now on the TV "We're the 5th biggest economy in the World"

No, Boris. We were 5th biggest yesterday.
Today, we're 6th biggest. We've dropped behind France.

until we pull a couple of percent back on the £

Coming up nicely now.



--
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

On 24/06/16 13:57, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/06/2016 12:27, Fredxxx wrote:

Have you considered that only a couple of decades ago Graduates could
generally buy a house within a year or two of getting a job? Can they
now?

A few decades ago a graduate had a skill that people needed.
Now they graduate with media studies, etc. and no skill anyone wants.

Its what happens when you send most of the population to university, you
get lots of graduates but of low quality and skill levels.

You also end up with no apprentices to learn trades as only the really
poor performing pupils go for them.


Has school building, road building kept up with population growth?

Have any new "Milton Keynes" been build in the past few years to house
the growing population?

If you blame the above on xenophobia, then you're as myopic as you can
get.

I blame it on comprehensive education and the general dumbing down of
education.

But you cant see that that is what people like you wanted?


--
"In our post-modern world, climate science is not powerful because it is
true: it is true because it is powerful."

Lucas Bergkamp

In article ,
michael adams wrote:

"Andy Cap" wrote in message
o.uk...

The opposite of your definition of 'racism' is totally free movement of people around
the world. *If* that's what you're advocating,

I'm not advocating anything. All I'm pointing out is that its
very easy to play the racist/tribal/xenophobic card which appeals
to people's emotions and persuade them to vote for policies
with disastrous economic consequences which they don't even
pretend to understand.

Quite. Think most of us can understand how an area can be changed by
unfettered immigration. And that some may dislike this more than others.

The real con by Farage was not only persuading those so effected
(especially with jobs) that it was the *cause* of all their woes, but also
believing the lie that it would be sorted by leaving the EU. And that he
gave a damn about them anyway.

In reality, Cameron resigning means inevitably a more right wing
government. With those living on the breadline in some sink estate even
more at the bottom of the pile than now. So I hope the satisfaction of
kicking most elected politicians in the ******** helps pay for shoes for
the kids.

An Farage certainly showed his colours today. Not only did he want the UK
out of the EU, but wants to see the EU collapse too.

So his idea of sovereignty is not only 'taking back control', but wanting
to interfere in other countries business too.

--
*I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

michael adams wrote:
wrote in message ...

On 24/06/2016 12:05, michael adams wrote:

If you've got misgivings about too many
Polish builders being over here, along with,
The French, the Germans the Italians in general
not forgetting the Greeks then that' o.k. That's
just xenophobia. And most people don't really
know what it means in any case.
However if you've got misgivings about dusky
skinned people, and not so dusky some of
them, with beards, and women and kids wearing
shawls or scarves then that's probably racism.

And so congratulations are in order.

Thanks.

Have you consider that a large section of the workforce have an income determined by
the Living Wage for so long?

Have you considered that only a couple of decades ago Graduates could generally buy a
house within a year or two of getting a job? Can they now?

Has school building, road building kept up with population growth?

Have any new "Milton Keynes" been build in the past few years to house the growing
population?

If you blame the above on xenophobia, then you're as myopic as you can get.

Sorry you've lost me.

I haven't mentioned any of the above, never mind blame
them on anything.

But if you seriously think any of the above will improve
after Brexit, then I think you're in for a bit of a
disappointment.


michael adams

...




You are so negative, I guess you must be associated with the BBC.

In article ,
Fredxxx wrote:
On 24/06/2016 12:05, michael adams wrote:
If you've got misgivings about too many
Polish builders being over here, along with,
The French, the Germans the Italians in general
not forgetting the Greeks then that' o.k. That's
just xenophobia. And most people don't really
know what it means in any case.
However if you've got misgivings about dusky
skinned people, and not so dusky some of
them, with beards, and women and kids wearing
shawls or scarves then that's probably racism.

And so congratulations are in order.

Thanks.

Have you consider that a large section of the workforce have an income
determined by the Living Wage for so long?

That's not difficult to explain. Unions are a bad thing. All the press say
so. And the working class believed them. They were the only protection for
working class living standards.

Have you considered that only a couple of decades ago Graduates could
generally buy a house within a year or two of getting a job? Can they
now?

You think not having any job due to ruining the economy will help them to
buy a house?

Has school building, road building kept up with population growth?

Of course not. You don't really expect any other than a socialist
government to care about that? Unless it slows down the delivery trucks
too much.

Have any new "Milton Keynes" been build in the past few years to house
the growing population?

See above. There was a time when both Labour and the Tories believed in
providing facilities for all - without it having to earn a big profit for
someone.

If you blame the above on xenophobia, then you're as myopic as you can
get.

We could do with a name for putting the blame on something that isn't the
true cause of your problems. Bit like an alcoholic blaming his problems on
cider and switching to wine.

--
*Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Adrian wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 13:51:26 +0100, michael adams wrote:


Boris just now on the TV "We're the 5th biggest economy in the World"

No, Boris. We were 5th biggest yesterday.
Today, we're 6th biggest. We've dropped behind France.


And Germany is?

I see the BBC is still boasting about how much EU money is
being spent on good causes in the UK. They still don't want to admit
that it British money being spent after w have had to fight for it.

On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 14:27:44 +0100, Capitol wrote:

Boris just now on the TV "We're the 5th biggest economy in the World"

No, Boris. We were 5th biggest yesterday.
Today, we're 6th biggest. We've dropped behind France.

And Germany is?

Still fourth.

And, if the EU was counted as a single economy, it'd still be second.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In articlecZqdnU0qHv0bvfDKnZ2dnUU78SXNnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk,
michael wrote:


"Andy wrote in message
o.uk...

The opposite of your definition of 'racism' is totally free movement of people around
the world. *If* that's what you're advocating,


I'm not advocating anything. All I'm pointing out is that its
very easy to play the racist/tribal/xenophobic card which appeals
to people's emotions and persuade them to vote for policies
with disastrous economic consequences which they don't even
pretend to understand.

Quite. Think most of us can understand how an area can be changed by
unfettered immigration. And that some may dislike this more than others.

The real con by Farage was not only persuading those so effected
(especially with jobs) that it was the *cause* of all their woes, but also
believing the lie that it would be sorted by leaving the EU. And that he
gave a damn about them anyway.

In reality, Cameron resigning means inevitably a more right wing
government. With those living on the breadline in some sink estate even
more at the bottom of the pile than now. So I hope the satisfaction of
kicking most elected politicians in the ******** helps pay for shoes for
the kids.

An Farage certainly showed his colours today. Not only did he want the UK
out of the EU, but wants to see the EU collapse too.

So his idea of sovereignty is not only 'taking back control', but wanting
to interfere in other countries business too.



I do enjoy seeing a good loser!

On Friday, 24 June 2016 12:27:16 UTC+1, Andy Cap wrote:
On 24/06/16 12:05, michael adams wrote:


The opposite of your definition of 'racism' is totally free movement of
people around the world. *If* that's what you're advocating, I think you
must be quite mad. The nation state is a vital building block of society
and to dismantle it, will lead to very dangerous instability.
Strange that nations have been fighting for recognition for centuries,
yet suddenly that's all changed, without any vote however !

Hardly suddenly, someone worked out a way of making money from it.

bm wrote:
"michael adams" wrote in message
...
snip
Bitter, much?


I think I will just sit back in the future and laugh at all the gloom
and doomsayers of the past.

In message
"michael adams" wrote:


[snip] diatribe


So welcome everybody to the Third World.


michael adams

...

Sour grapes much.
So welcome to my killfile

--
Jim White

On Friday, 24 June 2016 12:06:01 UTC+1, michael adams wrote:
If you've got misgivings about too many
Polish builders being over here, along with,
The French, the Germans the Italians in general
not forgetting the Greeks then that' o.k. That's
just xenophobia.

No it;s being observent, if teh govenement were as observent as they should have been we wouldn't be where we are today.


And most people don't really
know what it means in any case.
However if you've got misgivings about dusky
skinned people, and not so dusky some of
them, with beards, and women and kids wearing
shawls or scarves then that's probably racism.

Nothing wrong with mis givings I don;t like hieghts.
I don;t even stand on teh edge of platform loking for central line trains like some do, does that make me a coward.

I spend virtuyalyl every weekday waiting on this platform
http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/new..._tube_station/



And so congratulations are in order.

It's not teh vote I wanted but feared due to the clever so called non racists amonst us who have little idea on whats going on because immigration is just used to staff high end eateries with cheap staff.



Which let's face has always been the best way of
deciding complex questions concerning the future
economic direction of any country.

Hitler had his ideas he went to Germany as an ecomomic migrant and took over didn't he.


This was about immigration and nothing else
although in the limited coverage I've seen
only Farage used the dreaded "I" word.

If yuo'd watch the debates you'd know much more than you appear to.


Economically and financially this is the UK
shooting itself in the foot. First the
nonsense about city fat cats. Right now in the
city and beyond there are thousands of young
people working for foreign owned banks, who
owe their position to having borrowed tens of
thousands of pounds to pass their exams,

And why did they need that money ?
Why did they decide to go to uni not to earn more money than someone that doesn't.



and then
borrowed more in an overheated housing market
so as to have somewhere to live with an hour
or two of work.

and why do we have an overheated housing market ?


This morning many of those people are probably being
told and certainly will be before October that if they
want to keep their jobs they're going to have to sell
up and re-locate to an as yet unspecified location
outside the UK.

Then they;ll be plenty of places to buy or rent for those presently in teh UK
who are happy to be here of any nationailty or colour.




No actually no one does. But when investments are being
planned to manufacture the next generation of landing
gear or whatever where do you think they'll build the factory ?

Cheapest place they can find with the cheapest workforce with teh biggest govebnrment subsurdy I guess.
I don;t they'll locate anywhere because of teh weather, that is NOT the reaons they came to sunderland was it ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17273462
The first credit has to go to the leadership at Nissan. The company has come up with successful cars - the Qashqai in particular has proved a worldwide hit.


"Despite the Euro crisis the European market has grown by 4%, and our market share has grown by 25%.

Then there is the workforce. Nissan's Sunderland plant is the most efficient in Europe, with exceptional industrial relations.


The weakness of the pound makes the UK an attractive place to manufacture at the moment, adding to Nissan's profit margins.

and now we have a low pound don;t we so good for nissan.

And then there is politics. Both the coalition government and Labour have claimed credit for creating the conditions that are allowing Nissan to thrive.

The coalition points to the £9.3m grant Nissan has recently had from the Regional Growth Fund - although it has yet to be paid out.



http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...93bn-handshake

On 24/06/2016 14:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/06/16 13:57, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/06/2016 12:27, Fredxxx wrote:

Have you considered that only a couple of decades ago Graduates could
generally buy a house within a year or two of getting a job? Can they
now?

A few decades ago a graduate had a skill that people needed.
Now they graduate with media studies, etc. and no skill anyone wants.

Its what happens when you send most of the population to university, you
get lots of graduates but of low quality and skill levels.

You also end up with no apprentices to learn trades as only the really
poor performing pupils go for them.


Has school building, road building kept up with population growth?

Have any new "Milton Keynes" been build in the past few years to house
the growing population?

If you blame the above on xenophobia, then you're as myopic as you can
get.

I blame it on comprehensive education and the general dumbing down of
education.

But you cant see that that is what people like you wanted?



That's a nice generalisation, a sure sign that you are nuts.

michael adams wrote:
If you've got misgivings about too many
Polish builders being over here, along with,
The French, the Germans the Italians in general
not forgetting the Greeks then that' o.k. That's
just xenophobia. And most people don't really
know what it means in any case.
However if you've got misgivings about dusky
skinned people, and not so dusky some of
them, with beards, and women and kids wearing
shawls or scarves then that's probably racism.

And so congratulations are in order.

I think you'll find that the majority of people voted leave because they are
sick of EU forcing idiotic laws on this country when we have no say in it,
not only that, but these laws are flouted by everyone else in europe apart
from us! - go to anywhere in Europe and you'll see people smoking in bars,
except in Britain

So welcome everybody to the Third World.


Cheers, but if it gets that bad, we can all just emigrate to some sap of a
country, take our wives and kids and send for the rest of the family once
we've been given a house.

michael adams

...

"F Murtz" wrote in message
eb.com...
bm wrote:
"michael adams" wrote in message
...
snip
Bitter, much?


I think I will just sit back in the future and laugh at all the gloom and
doomsayers of the past.

Me too and I still have plenty of time to do that
given how long most of my ancestors have lasted.

On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 12:05:53 +0100, michael adams wrote:

This morning many of those people are probably being told and certainly
will be before October that if they want to keep their jobs they're
going to have to sell up and re-locate to an as yet unspecified location
outside the UK.

Good riddance to the ****s. These people don't create wealth for anyone
but themselves and in the process of their dealings in the City they
destroy the *real* wealth created by hard-working people who actually
produce something useful that people here or abroad want to buy. If
you're in the City you presumably know how a hedge fund operates. No one
with any shred of morality would defend the practices of these money-
grubbing parasites (like George Soros for example) who destroy the
savings of millions through tactics such as short-selling and HFT.
Hanging's too good for them and the sooner the FOAD the better - the
****s.

On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 14:08:37 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

An Farage certainly showed his colours today. Not only did he want the
UK out of the EU, but wants to see the EU collapse too.

What's not to like about that? It exhibits an increasingly strong
resemblance to the old USSR.

So his idea of sovereignty is not only 'taking back control', but
wanting to interfere in other countries business too.

Yeah, just Like Churchill did with Germany; what an interfering *******,
eh?

On 24/06/2016 13:57, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/06/2016 12:27, Fredxxx wrote:

Have you considered that only a couple of decades ago Graduates could
generally buy a house within a year or two of getting a job? Can they
now?

A few decades ago a graduate had a skill that people needed.
Now they graduate with media studies, etc. and no skill anyone wants.

Its what happens when you send most of the population to university, you
get lots of graduates but of low quality and skill levels.

You also end up with no apprentices to learn trades as only the really
poor performing pupils go for them.

I think this might also go to explain why:


http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/gra...ings-ratio.php


Has school building, road building kept up with population growth?

Have any new "Milton Keynes" been build in the past few years to house
the growing population?

If you blame the above on xenophobia, then you're as myopic as you can
get.

I blame it on comprehensive education and the general dumbing down of
education.

Comprehensive education has been going on for a very long time!

Dumbing down maybe. It seem silly not to match true demands for skills
and university courses. I see no point in McDonalds employing so many
staff with degrees.

On 24/06/2016 13:04, michael adams wrote:
"Fredxxx" wrote in message ...
On 24/06/2016 12:05, michael adams wrote:
If you've got misgivings about too many
Polish builders being over here, along with,
The French, the Germans the Italians in general
not forgetting the Greeks then that' o.k. That's
just xenophobia. And most people don't really
know what it means in any case.
However if you've got misgivings about dusky
skinned people, and not so dusky some of
them, with beards, and women and kids wearing
shawls or scarves then that's probably racism.

And so congratulations are in order.

Thanks.

Have you consider that a large section of the workforce have an income determined by
the Living Wage for so long?

Have you considered that only a couple of decades ago Graduates could generally buy a
house within a year or two of getting a job? Can they now?

Has school building, road building kept up with population growth?

Have any new "Milton Keynes" been build in the past few years to house the growing
population?

If you blame the above on xenophobia, then you're as myopic as you can get.

Sorry you've lost me.

That doesn't surprise me.

I haven't mentioned any of the above, never mind blame
them on anything.

No, you mentioned skin colour. Does that make you a racist?

But if you seriously think any of the above will improve
after Brexit, then I think you're in for a bit of a
disappointment.

There is a prediction of house prices going down. That can't be bad for
first time buyers.

"Fredxxx" wrote in message ...
On 24/06/2016 13:04, michael adams wrote:
However if you've got misgivings about dusky
skinned people, and not so dusky some of
them, with beards, and women and kids wearing
shawls or scarves then that's probably racism.

No, you mentioned skin colour. Does that make you a racist?

I was referencing the skin colour of the people in the Nigel
Farage poster.

It was necessary for Nigel to show such people rather than say
Polish builders or totty, as otherwise anyone looking at the
poster wouldn't have known what he was talking about.

Basically if you're going to scapegoat people as the basis of
a campaign strategy, then its best to choose people who can
be identified as such, from say 200 yards away.

I'll let you work the rest out for yourself.


michael adams

....

On 25/06/2016 10:55, michael adams wrote:
"Fredxxx" wrote in message ...
On 24/06/2016 13:04, michael adams wrote:
However if you've got misgivings about dusky
skinned people, and not so dusky some of
them, with beards, and women and kids wearing
shawls or scarves then that's probably racism.

No, you mentioned skin colour. Does that make you a racist?

I was referencing the skin colour of the people in the Nigel
Farage poster.

Precisely, did Mr Farage mention skin colour?

Why did you feel the need?

On 24/06/2016 21:34, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2016 12:05:53 +0100, michael adams wrote:

This morning many of those people are probably being told and certainly
will be before October that if they want to keep their jobs they're
going to have to sell up and re-locate to an as yet unspecified location
outside the UK.

Good riddance to the ****s. These people don't create wealth for anyone
but themselves and in the process of their dealings in the City they
destroy the *real* wealth created by hard-working people who actually
produce something useful that people here or abroad want to buy. If
you're in the City you presumably know how a hedge fund operates. No one
with any shred of morality would defend the practices of these money-
grubbing parasites (like George Soros for example) who destroy the
savings of millions through tactics such as short-selling and HFT.
Hanging's too good for them and the sooner the FOAD the better - the
****s.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-falling.html

On Saturday, 25 June 2016 00:22:11 UTC+1, Fredxxx wrote:
On 24/06/2016 13:57, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/06/2016 12:27, Fredxxx wrote:

Have you considered that only a couple of decades ago Graduates could
generally buy a house within a year or two of getting a job? Can they
now?

A few decades ago a graduate had a skill that people needed.
Now they graduate with media studies, etc. and no skill anyone wants.

Its what happens when you send most of the population to university, you
get lots of graduates but of low quality and skill levels.

You also end up with no apprentices to learn trades as only the really
poor performing pupils go for them.

I think this might also go to explain why:


http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/gra...ings-ratio.php


Has school building, road building kept up with population growth?

Have any new "Milton Keynes" been build in the past few years to house
the growing population?

If you blame the above on xenophobia, then you're as myopic as you can
get.

I blame it on comprehensive education and the general dumbing down of
education.

Comprehensive education has been going on for a very long time!

Dumbing down maybe. It seem silly not to match true demands for skills
and university courses. I see no point in McDonalds employing so many
staff with degrees.

Who else will employ them ?
Although one of our physics students wa sserving in my local Tesco express, so I kn ow studetns can do something useful ;-)