I won't be installing it myself, but as a matter of interest, I lifted
the black plastic cover on the back panel just to have a look at the
connection screws, and these seem to *tighten* by undoing them!!

What gives?

MM

On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:43:57 +0100, MM wrote:

I won't be installing it myself, but as a matter of interest, I lifted
the black plastic cover on the back panel just to have a look at the
connection screws, and these seem to *tighten* by undoing them!!

What gives?

MM

PS: This is what it looks like:

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/in...inal_block.jpg

There are three hex screws.

I can't see (and the installation instructions don't say) where the
wires are supposed to be fed in.

MM

On 21/06/2016 12:01, MM wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:43:57 +0100, MM wrote:

I won't be installing it myself, but as a matter of interest, I lifted
the black plastic cover on the back panel just to have a look at the
connection screws, and these seem to *tighten* by undoing them!!

What gives?

They are probably "cage" style terminals, where as you tighten the screw
it draws the cage "up". That can look like tightening is opening the
terminal until you realise the wires go above the bottom of the cage.


PS: This is what it looks like:

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/in...inal_block.jpg

There are three hex screws.

I can't see (and the installation instructions don't say) where the
wires are supposed to be fed in.



By those little ramp like bits.


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On 6/21/2016 12:23 PM, John Rumm wrote:
On 21/06/2016 12:01, MM wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:43:57 +0100, MM wrote:

I won't be installing it myself, but as a matter of interest, I lifted
the black plastic cover on the back panel just to have a look at the
connection screws, and these seem to *tighten* by undoing them!!

What gives?

They are probably "cage" style terminals, where as you tighten the screw
it draws the cage "up". That can look like tightening is opening the
terminal until you realise the wires go above the bottom of the cage.


My thoughts too, and consistent with that image (although I confess I
hadn't seen that exact design before).

PS: This is what it looks like:

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/in...inal_block.jpg

There are three hex screws.

I can't see (and the installation instructions don't say) where the
wires are supposed to be fed in.



By those little ramp like bits.

On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 15:18:22 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 6/21/2016 12:23 PM, John Rumm wrote:
On 21/06/2016 12:01, MM wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:43:57 +0100, MM wrote:

I won't be installing it myself, but as a matter of interest, I lifted
the black plastic cover on the back panel just to have a look at the
connection screws, and these seem to *tighten* by undoing them!!

What gives?

They are probably "cage" style terminals, where as you tighten the screw
it draws the cage "up". That can look like tightening is opening the
terminal until you realise the wires go above the bottom of the cage.


My thoughts too, and consistent with that image (although I confess I
hadn't seen that exact design before).

PS: This is what it looks like:

http://www.littletyke.myzen.co.uk/in...inal_block.jpg

There are three hex screws.

I can't see (and the installation instructions don't say) where the
wires are supposed to be fed in.



By those little ramp like bits.

The electrician took two goes and had to peer closely the second time
at the terminals, but he got 'em fixed in the end. Nice and tight!

New double oven is going great! Looks really smart.

He charged me £30. And took the old ovens away.

MM

MM wrote:


The electrician took two goes and had to peer closely the second time
at the terminals, but he got 'em fixed in the end. Nice and tight!

New double oven is going great! Looks really smart.

He charged me £30. And took the old ovens away.


Only £30? Did you asking him about his favourite fly-tipping spots? ;-)

Tim

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"Tim+" wrote in message
...
MM wrote:


The electrician took two goes and had to peer closely the second time
at the terminals, but he got 'em fixed in the end. Nice and tight!

New double oven is going great! Looks really smart.

He charged me £30. And took the old ovens away.


Only £30? Did you asking him about his favourite fly-tipping spots? ;-)

£30 for less than an hours work and a bit of free scrap? Yes I have seen the
smilie.



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ARW wrote:
"Tim+" wrote in message
...
MM wrote:


The electrician took two goes and had to peer closely the second time
at the terminals, but he got 'em fixed in the end. Nice and tight!

New double oven is going great! Looks really smart.

He charged me £30. And took the old ovens away.


Only £30? Did you asking him about his favourite fly-tipping spots? ;-)

£30 for less than an hours work and a bit of free scrap? Yes I have seen the
smilie.

Much scrap value in old ovens? Can imagine that there's much metal in them.
Just curious.

Tim

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On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 17:12:16 -0000 (UTC), Tim+
wrote:

MM wrote:


The electrician took two goes and had to peer closely the second time
at the terminals, but he got 'em fixed in the end. Nice and tight!

New double oven is going great! Looks really smart.

He charged me £30. And took the old ovens away.


Only £30? Did you asking him about his favourite fly-tipping spots? ;-)

He's local and doesn't charge the earth like companies with huge
numbers of staff and a fleet of Check-a-trade Transits to pay for.

I think it's very bad for complete strangers to denigrate all local
tradesmen like you did.

MM

MM wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 17:12:16 -0000 (UTC), Tim+
wrote:

MM wrote:


The electrician took two goes and had to peer closely the second time
at the terminals, but he got 'em fixed in the end. Nice and tight!

New double oven is going great! Looks really smart.

He charged me £30. And took the old ovens away.


Only £30? Did you asking him about his favourite fly-tipping spots? ;-)

He's local and doesn't charge the earth like companies with huge
numbers of staff and a fleet of Check-a-trade Transits to pay for.

I think it's very bad for complete strangers to denigrate all local
tradesmen like you did.

MM


Not all, but I think everyone employing a tradesman needs to be aware of
the problems of flytipping. It happens, a lot.

Tim

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On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:49:54 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"Tim+" wrote in message
...
MM wrote:


The electrician took two goes and had to peer closely the second time
at the terminals, but he got 'em fixed in the end. Nice and tight!

New double oven is going great! Looks really smart.

He charged me £30. And took the old ovens away.


Only £30? Did you asking him about his favourite fly-tipping spots? ;-)

£30 for less than an hours work and a bit of free scrap? Yes I have seen the
smilie.

He didn't ~have~ to take the old one away.It did it purely as a
convenience to me. I had told him already that the shop, also local,
not internet, was going to collect the old one in a few days, but he
said, nah, let's just get rid of it now, job done. So what was in it
for him ("Tim" might be the better one to ask this) to go to the
bother of carrying the old one to his van if he was just going to
fly-tip it, which I don't believe for a single moment, if I already
had the option of free collection by the shop?

And yes, it was less than an hour. I reckon he and his apprentice were
here for about 40 minutes in total, possibly slightly less. I was
perfectly happy with £30.

MM

MM wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:49:54 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"Tim+" wrote in message
...
MM wrote:


The electrician took two goes and had to peer closely the second time
at the terminals, but he got 'em fixed in the end. Nice and tight!

New double oven is going great! Looks really smart.

He charged me £30. And took the old ovens away.


Only £30? Did you asking him about his favourite fly-tipping spots? ;-)

£30 for less than an hours work and a bit of free scrap? Yes I have seen the
smilie.

He didn't ~have~ to take the old one away.It did it purely as a
convenience to me. I had told him already that the shop, also local,
not internet, was going to collect the old one in a few days, but he
said, nah, let's just get rid of it now, job done. So what was in it
for him ("Tim" might be the better one to ask this) to go to the
bother of carrying the old one to his van if he was just going to
fly-tip it, which I don't believe for a single moment, if I already
had the option of free collection by the shop?

And yes, it was less than an hour. I reckon he and his apprentice were
here for about 40 minutes in total, possibly slightly less. I was
perfectly happy with £30.

If he hadn't factored in a disposal cost before quoting your price then
it's not unreasonable to suspect that his disposal cost is going to be
zero, either because of scrap value or he's going to fly tip it. The
incentive for him is more trade from customers like you who don't ask
questions and recommend him to friends and neighbours "because he takes
your old stuff away".

Still waiting for anyone who knows the value of a scrap double oven. Maybe
it would cover expenses but I'm doubtful.

Tim

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On 6/22/2016 9:11 AM, Tim+ wrote:

Still waiting for anyone who knows the value of a scrap double oven. Maybe
it would cover expenses but I'm doubtful.

Tim


There is a guy locally who raises funds for a community project by
collecting scrap, I hope to see him in the next few days and will ask.

On 22/06/16 08:39, Tim+ wrote:
MM wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 17:12:16 -0000 (UTC), Tim+
wrote:

MM wrote:


The electrician took two goes and had to peer closely the second time
at the terminals, but he got 'em fixed in the end. Nice and tight!

New double oven is going great! Looks really smart.

He charged me £30. And took the old ovens away.


Only £30? Did you asking him about his favourite fly-tipping spots? ;-)

He's local and doesn't charge the earth like companies with huge
numbers of staff and a fleet of Check-a-trade Transits to pay for.

I think it's very bad for complete strangers to denigrate all local
tradesmen like you did.

MM


Not all, but I think everyone employing a tradesman needs to be aware of
the problems of flytipping. It happens, a lot.

Tim


It's a good point, and easily checked: See if he's on:

https://environment.data.gov.uk/publ...ter/view/index

otherwise, it's illegal for him to transfer waste.

On 22/06/2016 09:11, Tim+ wrote:
MM wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:49:54 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"Tim+" wrote in message
...
MM wrote:


The electrician took two goes and had to peer closely the second time
at the terminals, but he got 'em fixed in the end. Nice and tight!

New double oven is going great! Looks really smart.

He charged me £30. And took the old ovens away.


Only £30? Did you asking him about his favourite fly-tipping spots? ;-)

£30 for less than an hours work and a bit of free scrap? Yes I have seen the
smilie.

He didn't ~have~ to take the old one away.It did it purely as a
convenience to me. I had told him already that the shop, also local,
not internet, was going to collect the old one in a few days, but he
said, nah, let's just get rid of it now, job done. So what was in it
for him ("Tim" might be the better one to ask this) to go to the
bother of carrying the old one to his van if he was just going to
fly-tip it, which I don't believe for a single moment, if I already
had the option of free collection by the shop?

And yes, it was less than an hour. I reckon he and his apprentice were
here for about 40 minutes in total, possibly slightly less. I was
perfectly happy with £30.

If he hadn't factored in a disposal cost before quoting your price then
it's not unreasonable to suspect that his disposal cost is going to be
zero, either because of scrap value or he's going to fly tip it. The
incentive for him is more trade from customers like you who don't ask
questions and recommend him to friends and neighbours "because he takes
your old stuff away".

Still waiting for anyone who knows the value of a scrap double oven. Maybe
it would cover expenses but I'm doubtful.

Probably just scrap steel prices... not looked recently, but last time I
did it was about 12p/kg. So I suppose an oven could be worth £2 - £3 if
you re lucky.



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John.

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John Rumm wrote:
On 22/06/2016 09:11, Tim+ wrote:
MM wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:49:54 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"Tim+" wrote in message
...
MM wrote:


The electrician took two goes and had to peer closely the second time
at the terminals, but he got 'em fixed in the end. Nice and tight!

New double oven is going great! Looks really smart.

He charged me £30. And took the old ovens away.


Only £30? Did you asking him about his favourite fly-tipping spots? ;-)

£30 for less than an hours work and a bit of free scrap? Yes I have seen the
smilie.

He didn't ~have~ to take the old one away.It did it purely as a
convenience to me. I had told him already that the shop, also local,
not internet, was going to collect the old one in a few days, but he
said, nah, let's just get rid of it now, job done. So what was in it
for him ("Tim" might be the better one to ask this) to go to the
bother of carrying the old one to his van if he was just going to
fly-tip it, which I don't believe for a single moment, if I already
had the option of free collection by the shop?

And yes, it was less than an hour. I reckon he and his apprentice were
here for about 40 minutes in total, possibly slightly less. I was
perfectly happy with £30.

If he hadn't factored in a disposal cost before quoting your price then
it's not unreasonable to suspect that his disposal cost is going to be
zero, either because of scrap value or he's going to fly tip it. The
incentive for him is more trade from customers like you who don't ask
questions and recommend him to friends and neighbours "because he takes
your old stuff away".

Still waiting for anyone who knows the value of a scrap double oven. Maybe
it would cover expenses but I'm doubtful.

Probably just scrap steel prices... not looked recently, but last time I
did it was about 12p/kg. So I suppose an oven could be worth £2 - £3 if
you re lucky.


I suppose if they save up a few items for a single trip to the scrappies it
would be worth doing.

Tim

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On Wed, 22 Jun 2016 08:11:02 -0000 (UTC), Tim+
wrote:

MM wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:49:54 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"Tim+" wrote in message
...
MM wrote:


The electrician took two goes and had to peer closely the second time
at the terminals, but he got 'em fixed in the end. Nice and tight!

New double oven is going great! Looks really smart.

He charged me £30. And took the old ovens away.


Only £30? Did you asking him about his favourite fly-tipping spots? ;-)

£30 for less than an hours work and a bit of free scrap? Yes I have seen the
smilie.

He didn't ~have~ to take the old one away.It did it purely as a
convenience to me. I had told him already that the shop, also local,
not internet, was going to collect the old one in a few days, but he
said, nah, let's just get rid of it now, job done. So what was in it
for him ("Tim" might be the better one to ask this) to go to the
bother of carrying the old one to his van if he was just going to
fly-tip it, which I don't believe for a single moment, if I already
had the option of free collection by the shop?

And yes, it was less than an hour. I reckon he and his apprentice were
here for about 40 minutes in total, possibly slightly less. I was
perfectly happy with £30.

If he hadn't factored in a disposal cost before quoting your price then
it's not unreasonable to suspect that his disposal cost is going to be
zero, either because of scrap value or he's going to fly tip it. The
incentive for him is more trade from customers like you who don't ask
questions and recommend him to friends and neighbours "because he takes
your old stuff away".

Still waiting for anyone who knows the value of a scrap double oven. Maybe
it would cover expenses but I'm doubtful.

So you're STILL accusing local workmen of being criminals, then.

MM

"MM" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:49:54 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"Tim+" wrote in message
...
MM wrote:


The electrician took two goes and had to peer closely the second time
at the terminals, but he got 'em fixed in the end. Nice and tight!

New double oven is going great! Looks really smart.

He charged me £30. And took the old ovens away.


Only £30? Did you asking him about his favourite fly-tipping spots? ;-)

£30 for less than an hours work and a bit of free scrap? Yes I have seen
the
smilie.

He didn't ~have~ to take the old one away.It did it purely as a
convenience to me.

Sounds more like he did it to make about £1.50 to £2.00. Throw it with the
rest of the scrap he can save over the year and then take it all in one go
to the scrapyard and it could easily be a couple of hundred beer tokens.

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"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 22/06/16 08:39, Tim+ wrote:
MM wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 17:12:16 -0000 (UTC), Tim+
wrote:

MM wrote:


The electrician took two goes and had to peer closely the second time
at the terminals, but he got 'em fixed in the end. Nice and tight!

New double oven is going great! Looks really smart.

He charged me £30. And took the old ovens away.


Only £30? Did you asking him about his favourite fly-tipping spots? ;-)

He's local and doesn't charge the earth like companies with huge
numbers of staff and a fleet of Check-a-trade Transits to pay for.

I think it's very bad for complete strangers to denigrate all local
tradesmen like you did.

MM


Not all, but I think everyone employing a tradesman needs to be aware of
the problems of flytipping. It happens, a lot.

Tim


It's a good point, and easily checked: See if he's on:

https://environment.data.gov.uk/publ...ter/view/index

otherwise, it's illegal for him to transfer waste.


It's not waste:-)

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Tim+ Wrote in message:
MM wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:49:54 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"Tim+" wrote in message
...
MM wrote:


The electrician took two goes and had to peer closely the second time
at the terminals, but he got 'em fixed in the end. Nice and tight!

New double oven is going great! Looks really smart.

He charged me £30. And took the old ovens away.


Only £30? Did you asking him about his favourite fly-tipping spots? ;-)

£30 for less than an hours work and a bit of free scrap? Yes I have seen the
smilie.

He didn't ~have~ to take the old one away.It did it purely as a
convenience to me. I had told him already that the shop, also local,
not internet, was going to collect the old one in a few days, but he
said, nah, let's just get rid of it now, job done. So what was in it
for him ("Tim" might be the better one to ask this) to go to the
bother of carrying the old one to his van if he was just going to
fly-tip it, which I don't believe for a single moment, if I already
had the option of free collection by the shop?

And yes, it was less than an hour. I reckon he and his apprentice were
here for about 40 minutes in total, possibly slightly less. I was
perfectly happy with £30.

If he hadn't factored in a disposal cost before quoting your price then
it's not unreasonable to suspect that his disposal cost is going to be
zero, either because of scrap value or he's going to fly tip it. The
incentive for him is more trade from customers like you who don't ask
questions and recommend him to friends and neighbours "because he takes
your old stuff away".

Still waiting for anyone who knows the value of a scrap double oven. Maybe
it would cover expenses but I'm doubtful.

Well people round here come round collecting things like old
cookers, radiators, anything metal really, not just copper etc.
So presumably there is enough money in it to make it worth
it


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Chris French

On 22/06/2016 09:11, Tim+ wrote:
MM wrote:
On Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:49:54 +0100, "ARW"
wrote:

"Tim+" wrote in message
...
MM wrote:


The electrician took two goes and had to peer closely the second time
at the terminals, but he got 'em fixed in the end. Nice and tight!

New double oven is going great! Looks really smart.

He charged me £30. And took the old ovens away.


Only £30? Did you asking him about his favourite fly-tipping spots? ;-)

£30 for less than an hours work and a bit of free scrap? Yes I have seen the
smilie.

He didn't ~have~ to take the old one away.It did it purely as a
convenience to me. I had told him already that the shop, also local,
not internet, was going to collect the old one in a few days, but he
said, nah, let's just get rid of it now, job done. So what was in it
for him ("Tim" might be the better one to ask this) to go to the
bother of carrying the old one to his van if he was just going to
fly-tip it, which I don't believe for a single moment, if I already
had the option of free collection by the shop?

And yes, it was less than an hour. I reckon he and his apprentice were
here for about 40 minutes in total, possibly slightly less. I was
perfectly happy with £30.

If he hadn't factored in a disposal cost before quoting your price then
it's not unreasonable to suspect that his disposal cost is going to be
zero, either because of scrap value or he's going to fly tip it. The
incentive for him is more trade from customers like you who don't ask
questions and recommend him to friends and neighbours "because he takes
your old stuff away".

Or maybe he's thinking that he can Ebay parts of it as spares - handles,
knobs, timer, glass doors, etc.