Copied from elsewhere.

I hope nobody has forgotten that just a short while ago, on 12th November 2014 to be precise, the British Parliament lost control of the under-listed 43 areas of competence.
They are now to be the subject of QMV within the EU.
The British Parliament also lost the right of veto in these areas.
The EU can of course introduce legislation in those areas of it's own.
I believe that we have been purposefully sheltered from the effects of these changes so far, in case it disturbed the status quo prior to the forthcoming referendum.
Read the list below, and see just how far the EU has now got it's claws into you.
Just imagine what is going to happen once this referendum is over.
1) Administrative cooperation
2) Asylum
3) Border Controls
4) Citizens initiative regulations
5) Civil Protection
6) Committee of the regions
7) Common Defence Policy
8) Crime prevention incentives
9) Criminal judicial cooperation
10)Criminal Law
11) Culture
12) Diplomatic judicial cooperation
13) Economic Social Committee
14) Emergency International aid
15) Energy
16) EU Budget
17) Eurojust
18) European Central Bank
19) European Court of Justice
20) Europol
21) Eurozone external representation,
22) Foreign Affairs High Representation Election
23) Freedom of Movement of Workers
24) Freedom to Establish a Business
25) Freedom, Security, Justice, cooperation & evaluation policy
26) Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy
27) General economic interest services
28) Humanitarian Aid
29) Immigration
30) Intellectual property
31) Organisation of the Council of the EU
32) Police cooperation
33) President of the European Council election
34) Response to natural disaster & terrorism
35) Rules concerning the Armaments Agency
36) Self-employment rights
37) Social Security Unanimity
38) Space
39) Sport
40) Structural & Cohesion Funds
41) Tourism,
42 ) Transport
43) Withdrawal of a member state

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harry wrote

Copied from elsewhere.

I hope nobody has forgotten that just a short while ago, on
12th November 2014 to be precise, the British Parliament
lost control of the under-listed 43 areas of competence.

More lies.

They are now to be the subject of QMV within the EU.

More lies.

The British Parliament also lost the right of veto in these areas.
The EU can of course introduce legislation in those areas of it's own.
I believe that we have been purposefully sheltered from the effects
of these changes so far, in case it disturbed the status quo prior to
the forthcoming referendum.

Doesnt matter what you believe.

Read the list below, and see just how far
the EU has now got it's claws into you.

More lies.

Just imagine what is going to happen once this referendum is over.

More FUD.

1) Administrative cooperation

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

2) Asylum

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

3) Border Controls

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

4) Citizens initiative regulations

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

5) Civil Protection

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

6) Committee of the regions
7) Common Defence Policy

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

8) Crime prevention incentives

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

9) Criminal judicial cooperation

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

10)Criminal Law

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

11) Culture

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

12) Diplomatic judicial cooperation

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

13) Economic Social Committee
14) Emergency International aid

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

15) Energy

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

16) EU Budget

The British parliament never had any control of this.

17) Eurojust

The British parliament never had any control of this, liar.

18) European Central Bank

The British parliament never had any control of this, liar.

19) European Court of Justice

The British parliament never had any control of this, liar.

20) Europol

The British parliament never had any control of this, liar.

21) Eurozone external representation,

The British parliament never had any control of this, liar.

22) Foreign Affairs High Representation Election

The British parliament never had any control of this, liar.

23) Freedom of Movement of Workers

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this with non EU citizens,
liar.

24) Freedom to Establish a Business

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

25) Freedom, Security, Justice, cooperation & evaluation policy

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

26) Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy

The British parliament never had any control of this, liar.

27) General economic interest services

The British parliament never had any control of this, liar.

28) Humanitarian Aid

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

29) Immigration

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this with non EU citizens,
liar.

30) Intellectual property

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

31) Organisation of the Council of the EU

The British parliament never had any control of this, liar.

32) Police cooperation

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

33) President of the European Council election

The British parliament never had any control of this, liar.

34) Response to natural disaster & terrorism

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

35) Rules concerning the Armaments Agency

The British parliament never had any control of this, liar.

36) Self-employment rights

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

37) Social Security Unanimity

The British parliament never had any control of this, liar.

38) Space

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

39) Sport

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

40) Structural & Cohesion Funds

The British parliament never had any control of this, liar.

41) Tourism,

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

42 ) Transport

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

43) Withdrawal of a member state

The British parliament hasnt lost control of this, liar.

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Get ****ed, again.

On 02/06/2016 06:36, harry wrote:
Copied from elsewhere.

I hope nobody has forgotten that just a short while ago, on 12th November 2014 to be precise, the British Parliament lost control of the under-listed 43 areas of competence.
They are now to be the subject of QMV within the EU.
The British Parliament also lost the right of veto in these areas.
The EU can of course introduce legislation in those areas of it's own.
I believe that we have been purposefully sheltered from the effects of these changes so far, in case it disturbed the status quo prior to the forthcoming referendum.
Read the list below, and see just how far the EU has now got it's claws into you.
Just imagine what is going to happen once this referendum is over.
1) Administrative cooperation
2) Asylum
3) Border Controls
4) Citizens initiative regulations
5) Civil Protection
6) Committee of the regions
7) Common Defence Policy
8) Crime prevention incentives
9) Criminal judicial cooperation
10)Criminal Law
11) Culture
12) Diplomatic judicial cooperation
13) Economic Social Committee
14) Emergency International aid
15) Energy
16) EU Budget
17) Eurojust
18) European Central Bank
19) European Court of Justice
20) Europol
21) Eurozone external representation,
22) Foreign Affairs High Representation Election
23) Freedom of Movement of Workers
24) Freedom to Establish a Business
25) Freedom, Security, Justice, cooperation & evaluation policy
26) Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy
27) General economic interest services
28) Humanitarian Aid
29) Immigration
30) Intellectual property
31) Organisation of the Council of the EU
32) Police cooperation
33) President of the European Council election
34) Response to natural disaster & terrorism
35) Rules concerning the Armaments Agency
36) Self-employment rights
37) Social Security Unanimity
38) Space
39) Sport
40) Structural & Cohesion Funds
41) Tourism,
42 ) Transport
43) Withdrawal of a member state

For all our sakes, please copy, post and share.


Well yes they already happen and a good thing too.

On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 12:29:09 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

On 02/06/2016 06:36, harry wrote:
Copied from elsewhere.

I hope nobody has forgotten that just a short while ago, on 12th
November 2014 to be precise, the British Parliament lost control of the
under-listed 43 areas of competence.
They are now to be the subject of QMV within the EU.
The British Parliament also lost the right of veto in these areas.
The EU can of course introduce legislation in those areas of it's own.
I believe that we have been purposefully sheltered from the effects of
these changes so far, in case it disturbed the status quo prior to the
forthcoming referendum.
Read the list below, and see just how far the EU has now got it's claws
into you.
Just imagine what is going to happen once this referendum is over.
1) Administrative cooperation 2) Asylum 3) Border Controls 4) Citizens
initiative regulations 5) Civil Protection 6) Committee of the regions
7) Common Defence Policy 8) Crime prevention incentives 9) Criminal
judicial cooperation 10)Criminal Law 11) Culture 12) Diplomatic
judicial cooperation 13) Economic Social Committee 14) Emergency
International aid 15) Energy 16) EU Budget 17) Eurojust 18) European
Central Bank 19) European Court of Justice 20) Europol 21) Eurozone
external representation,
22) Foreign Affairs High Representation Election 23) Freedom of
Movement of Workers 24) Freedom to Establish a Business 25) Freedom,
Security, Justice, cooperation & evaluation policy 26) Funding the
Common Foreign & Security Policy 27) General economic interest services
28) Humanitarian Aid 29) Immigration 30) Intellectual property 31)
Organisation of the Council of the EU 32) Police cooperation 33)
President of the European Council election 34) Response to natural
disaster & terrorism 35) Rules concerning the Armaments Agency 36)
Self-employment rights 37) Social Security Unanimity 38) Space 39)
Sport 40) Structural & Cohesion Funds 41) Tourism,
42 ) Transport 43) Withdrawal of a member state

For all our sakes, please copy, post and share.

Well yes they already happen and a good thing too.

Apart from the UK never having had "control" of many of those, the UK
hasn't lost control of a lot of them.

The entire list is ********, and only a credulous fool would believe it.

in 1490330 20160602 123035 Adrian wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 12:29:09 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

On 02/06/2016 06:36, harry wrote:
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Well yes they already happen and a good thing too.

Apart from the UK never having had "control" of many of those, the UK
hasn't lost control of a lot of them.

The entire list is ********, and only a credulous fool would believe it.

Took an even bigger fool to make up the list in the first place.

On 02/06/16 12:29, dennis@home wrote:
On 02/06/2016 06:36, harry wrote:
Copied from elsewhere.

I hope nobody has forgotten that just a short while ago, on 12th
November 2014 to be precise, the British Parliament lost control of
the under-listed 43 areas of competence.
They are now to be the subject of QMV within the EU.
The British Parliament also lost the right of veto in these areas.
The EU can of course introduce legislation in those areas of it's own.
I believe that we have been purposefully sheltered from the effects of
these changes so far, in case it disturbed the status quo prior to the
forthcoming referendum.
Read the list below, and see just how far the EU has now got it's
claws into you.
Just imagine what is going to happen once this referendum is over.
1) Administrative cooperation
2) Asylum
3) Border Controls
4) Citizens initiative regulations
5) Civil Protection
6) Committee of the regions
7) Common Defence Policy
8) Crime prevention incentives
9) Criminal judicial cooperation
10)Criminal Law
11) Culture
12) Diplomatic judicial cooperation
13) Economic Social Committee
14) Emergency International aid
15) Energy
16) EU Budget
17) Eurojust
18) European Central Bank
19) European Court of Justice
20) Europol
21) Eurozone external representation,
22) Foreign Affairs High Representation Election
23) Freedom of Movement of Workers
24) Freedom to Establish a Business
25) Freedom, Security, Justice, cooperation & evaluation policy
26) Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy
27) General economic interest services
28) Humanitarian Aid
29) Immigration
30) Intellectual property
31) Organisation of the Council of the EU
32) Police cooperation
33) President of the European Council election
34) Response to natural disaster & terrorism
35) Rules concerning the Armaments Agency
36) Self-employment rights
37) Social Security Unanimity
38) Space
39) Sport
40) Structural & Cohesion Funds
41) Tourism,
42 ) Transport
43) Withdrawal of a member state

For all our sakes, please copy, post and share.


Well yes they already happen and a good thing too.

Now consider that Angela Merkel is Adolf Hitler (instead of a communist
back stabber) and gets appointed to the EU by a cabal of Nazi lookalikes.

How do you stop all those powers being used in a Very Bad Way (TM)?



--
"What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
"I don't."
"Don't what?"
"Think about Gay Marriage."

On 02/06/2016 12:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Now consider that Angela Merkel is Adolf Hitler (instead of a communist
back stabber) and gets appointed to the EU by a cabal of Nazi lookalikes.

How do you stop all those powers being used in a Very Bad Way (TM)?




The same way you do if UKIP take over the UK and try to implement what
harry and you want.

On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 17:29:29 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

Now consider that Angela Merkel is Adolf Hitler (instead of a communist
back stabber) and gets appointed to the EU by a cabal of Nazi
lookalikes.

How do you stop all those powers being used in a Very Bad Way (TM)?

The same way you do if UKIP take over the UK and try to implement what
harry and you want.

You'd think that having an independent arbiter to ensure that governments
don't do what are generally thought of as Very Bad Things to people was a
good thing, wouldn't you?

On 02/06/16 18:02, Adrian wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 17:29:29 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

Now consider that Angela Merkel is Adolf Hitler (instead of a communist
back stabber) and gets appointed to the EU by a cabal of Nazi
lookalikes.

How do you stop all those powers being used in a Very Bad Way (TM)?

The same way you do if UKIP take over the UK and try to implement what
harry and you want.

You'd think that having an independent arbiter to ensure that governments
don't do what are generally thought of as Very Bad Things to people was a
good thing, wouldn't you?

You would. And we used to have it. Till we joined the EU.

It was called a general election.

Name one commissioner in the EU who lost his job as a result of how
anyone in Britain voted in the European elections?


--
€œBut what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!€�

Mary Wollstonecraft

In article , Adrian
writes
On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 17:29:29 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

Now consider that Angela Merkel is Adolf Hitler (instead of a communist
back stabber) and gets appointed to the EU by a cabal of Nazi
lookalikes.

How do you stop all those powers being used in a Very Bad Way (TM)?

The same way you do if UKIP take over the UK and try to implement what
harry and you want.

You'd think that having an independent arbiter to ensure that governments
don't do what are generally thought of as Very Bad Things to people was a
good thing, wouldn't you?
Except that the so-called arbiter may do even worse things.
--
bert

On Thursday, 2 June 2016 18:02:27 UTC+1, Adrian wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 17:29:29 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

Now consider that Angela Merkel is Adolf Hitler (instead of a communist
back stabber) and gets appointed to the EU by a cabal of Nazi
lookalikes.

How do you stop all those powers being used in a Very Bad Way (TM)?

The same way you do if UKIP take over the UK and try to implement what
harry and you want.

You'd think that having an independent arbiter to ensure that governments
don't do what are generally thought of as Very Bad Things to people was a
good thing, wouldn't you?

I would but who would pay them ?

On 02/06/2016 6:02 PM, Adrian wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 17:29:29 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

Now consider that Angela Merkel is Adolf Hitler (instead of a communist
back stabber) and gets appointed to the EU by a cabal of Nazi
lookalikes.

How do you stop all those powers being used in a Very Bad Way (TM)?

The same way you do if UKIP take over the UK and try to implement what
harry and you want.

You'd think that having an independent arbiter to ensure that governments
don't do what are generally thought of as Very Bad Things to people was a
good thing, wouldn't you?



Isn't this what our current royalty are? All forces swearing
allegiance to the crown such, should 'big business' who really control
our politicians, make too many demands of us, will swoop in like a
superhero and protect us?

And, from my experience of all other 'arbiters', particularly in
commerce, they are too weak with no power to force any changes. But,
then why would they? Just like medicine, if a cure is found then that
particular arm will die. No creature wants to die. And, as a fireman
once said to me when I asked why are the bothering to attempt to put a
house fore out when all is lost already, 'we must be seen to be doing
something'.

Ofthis and Ofthat are no more than leaches. As someone else said, why
worry about the mess that we will get into when we are in a mess anyhow?

Let's pull away, form friendships in the 'developing' economies and hope
they remember us in their future of well being.

On 02/06/16 17:29, dennis@home wrote:
On 02/06/2016 12:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Now consider that Angela Merkel is Adolf Hitler (instead of a communist
back stabber) and gets appointed to the EU by a cabal of Nazi lookalikes.

How do you stop all those powers being used in a Very Bad Way (TM)?




The same way you do if UKIP take over the UK and try to implement what
harry and you want.

Sorry, that wont work. WE can always vote UKIP out.

We cant vote Merkel or indeed any of the EU out.


--
€œBut what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!€�

Mary Wollstonecraft

On Thu, 02 Jun 2016 18:39:37 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

We cant vote Merkel ... out.

Would you like it if the Germans could vote OUR government out?

On 02/06/2016 18:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 02/06/16 17:29, dennis@home wrote:
On 02/06/2016 12:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Now consider that Angela Merkel is Adolf Hitler (instead of a communist
back stabber) and gets appointed to the EU by a cabal of Nazi
lookalikes.

How do you stop all those powers being used in a Very Bad Way (TM)?




The same way you do if UKIP take over the UK and try to implement what
harry and you want.

Sorry, that wont work. WE can always vote UKIP out.

We cant vote Merkel or indeed any of the EU out.


yes you can , you get your MEP to start a propaganda war against the
transgressor.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 02/06/16 12:29, dennis@home wrote:
On 02/06/2016 06:36, harry wrote:
Copied from elsewhere.

I hope nobody has forgotten that just a short while ago, on 12th
November 2014 to be precise, the British Parliament lost control of
the under-listed 43 areas of competence.
They are now to be the subject of QMV within the EU.
The British Parliament also lost the right of veto in these areas.
The EU can of course introduce legislation in those areas of it's own.
I believe that we have been purposefully sheltered from the effects of
these changes so far, in case it disturbed the status quo prior to the
forthcoming referendum.
Read the list below, and see just how far the EU has now got it's
claws into you.
Just imagine what is going to happen once this referendum is over.
1) Administrative cooperation
2) Asylum
3) Border Controls
4) Citizens initiative regulations
5) Civil Protection
6) Committee of the regions
7) Common Defence Policy
8) Crime prevention incentives
9) Criminal judicial cooperation
10)Criminal Law
11) Culture
12) Diplomatic judicial cooperation
13) Economic Social Committee
14) Emergency International aid
15) Energy
16) EU Budget
17) Eurojust
18) European Central Bank
19) European Court of Justice
20) Europol
21) Eurozone external representation,
22) Foreign Affairs High Representation Election
23) Freedom of Movement of Workers
24) Freedom to Establish a Business
25) Freedom, Security, Justice, cooperation & evaluation policy
26) Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy
27) General economic interest services
28) Humanitarian Aid
29) Immigration
30) Intellectual property
31) Organisation of the Council of the EU
32) Police cooperation
33) President of the European Council election
34) Response to natural disaster & terrorism
35) Rules concerning the Armaments Agency
36) Self-employment rights
37) Social Security Unanimity
38) Space
39) Sport
40) Structural & Cohesion Funds
41) Tourism,
42 ) Transport
43) Withdrawal of a member state

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Well yes they already happen and a good thing too.

Now consider that Angela Merkel is Adolf Hitler (instead of a communist
back stabber) and gets appointed to the EU by a cabal of Nazi lookalikes.

Not even possible on that last.

How do you stop all those powers being used in a Very Bad Way (TM)?

The EP can sack the entire Commission if it chooses to do that.

On 02/06/2016 6:36 AM, harry wrote:
Copied from elsewhere.

I hope nobody has forgotten that just a short while ago, on 12th November 2014 to be precise, the British Parliament lost control of the under-listed 43 areas of competence.
They are now to be the subject of QMV within the EU.
The British Parliament also lost the right of veto in these areas.
The EU can of course introduce legislation in those areas of it's own.
I believe that we have been purposefully sheltered from the effects of these changes so far, in case it disturbed the status quo prior to the forthcoming referendum.
Read the list below, and see just how far the EU has now got it's claws into you.
Just imagine what is going to happen once this referendum is over.
1) Administrative cooperation
2) Asylum
3) Border Controls
4) Citizens initiative regulations
5) Civil Protection
6) Committee of the regions
7) Common Defence Policy
8) Crime prevention incentives
9) Criminal judicial cooperation
10)Criminal Law
11) Culture
12) Diplomatic judicial cooperation
13) Economic Social Committee
14) Emergency International aid
15) Energy
16) EU Budget
17) Eurojust
18) European Central Bank
19) European Court of Justice
20) Europol
21) Eurozone external representation,
22) Foreign Affairs High Representation Election
23) Freedom of Movement of Workers
24) Freedom to Establish a Business
25) Freedom, Security, Justice, cooperation & evaluation policy
26) Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy
27) General economic interest services
28) Humanitarian Aid
29) Immigration
30) Intellectual property
31) Organisation of the Council of the EU
32) Police cooperation
33) President of the European Council election
34) Response to natural disaster & terrorism
35) Rules concerning the Armaments Agency
36) Self-employment rights
37) Social Security Unanimity
38) Space
39) Sport
40) Structural & Cohesion Funds
41) Tourism,
42 ) Transport
43) Withdrawal of a member state

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This particular matter began with the execution of the Russian royal
family. Which, due to the fear of the 'ruling families' kicked off WW1,
then WW2, and now, globalisation. Although, back in the day it had a
name other than EU.

This country has been massively dumbed down. Schools are useless and
manual skills are ignored. Due to the lack of building skills for
British kids, you now need a passport to get on a work site.

'...Britain never, never, shall be slaves.' Such an embarrassing song
to sing out to the world and, far from correct. WE do need to stand back
and we do need to reform ourselves as a nation.

So, as an aside, what suitable lyrics could we use to represent us in
the modern world?

But, if I could pinch a line from a well known piece and sing it into
the faces of our illustrious leaders who, offer us only help, it would
be, 'Don't cry for me, hard faced bleeder.'

"RayL12" wrote in message
...
On 02/06/2016 6:36 AM, harry wrote:
Copied from elsewhere.

I hope nobody has forgotten that just a short while ago, on 12th November
2014 to be precise, the British Parliament lost control of the
under-listed 43 areas of competence.
They are now to be the subject of QMV within the EU.
The British Parliament also lost the right of veto in these areas.
The EU can of course introduce legislation in those areas of it's own.
I believe that we have been purposefully sheltered from the effects of
these changes so far, in case it disturbed the status quo prior to the
forthcoming referendum.
Read the list below, and see just how far the EU has now got it's claws
into you.
Just imagine what is going to happen once this referendum is over.
1) Administrative cooperation
2) Asylum
3) Border Controls
4) Citizens initiative regulations
5) Civil Protection
6) Committee of the regions
7) Common Defence Policy
8) Crime prevention incentives
9) Criminal judicial cooperation
10)Criminal Law
11) Culture
12) Diplomatic judicial cooperation
13) Economic Social Committee
14) Emergency International aid
15) Energy
16) EU Budget
17) Eurojust
18) European Central Bank
19) European Court of Justice
20) Europol
21) Eurozone external representation,
22) Foreign Affairs High Representation Election
23) Freedom of Movement of Workers
24) Freedom to Establish a Business
25) Freedom, Security, Justice, cooperation & evaluation policy
26) Funding the Common Foreign & Security Policy
27) General economic interest services
28) Humanitarian Aid
29) Immigration
30) Intellectual property
31) Organisation of the Council of the EU
32) Police cooperation
33) President of the European Council election
34) Response to natural disaster & terrorism
35) Rules concerning the Armaments Agency
36) Self-employment rights
37) Social Security Unanimity
38) Space
39) Sport
40) Structural & Cohesion Funds
41) Tourism,
42 ) Transport
43) Withdrawal of a member state

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This particular matter began with the execution of the Russian royal
family.

Nope, conflict in europe had been going on for MUCH longer than that.

Which, due to the fear of the 'ruling families' kicked off WW1, then WW2,

That wasnt what WW2 was about.

and now, globalisation.

And neither was that.

Although, back in the day it had a name other than EU.

The only thing even remotely similar before that was the Empire.

This country has been massively dumbed down.

BULL****.

Schools are useless

BULL****. Those leaving them can ALL read
and write now, unlike in quite recent times.

and manual skills are ignored.

BULL****.

Due to the lack of building skills for British kids, you now need a
passport to get on a work site.

Due to most of them turning up their noses at that sort of work, actually.

And with an unemployment rate as low as it is, it is hardly very surprising
that its only a few like Adam that choose to do that sort of work.

'...Britain never, never, shall be slaves.' Such an embarrassing song to
sing out to the world and, far from correct. WE do need to stand back and
we do need to reform ourselves as a nation.

Nope, just adapt to change, just like always happens.

So, as an aside, what suitable lyrics could we use to represent us in the
modern world?

Dont need lyrics.

But, if I could pinch a line from a well known piece and sing it into the
faces of our illustrious leaders who, offer us only help, it would be,
'Don't cry for me, hard faced bleeder.'

About as useful as ****ing into the wind.

In article ,
RayL12 wrote:
This country has been massively dumbed down. Schools are useless and
manual skills are ignored. Due to the lack of building skills for
British kids, you now need a passport to get on a work site.

There certainly seems to be some truth in that. Kids are encouraged and
expected to do well at school and then go to uni. Those that don't some
sort of failure only good enough for stacking shelves. But of course all
can play with a computer, so think everything can be done with software.
So many of the traditional skills like carpentry, bricklaying, plumbing
etc are only good enough for immigrants. Who come from countries where
such skills are still taught.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote
RayL12 wrote

This country has been massively dumbed down. Schools are useless
and manual skills are ignored. Due to the lack of building skills for
British kids, you now need a passport to get on a work site.

There certainly seems to be some truth in that.

Nope, particularly the silly claim about schools being useless.

Kids are encouraged and expected to do well at school and then go to uni.

Plenty of them arent, most obviously those who will be hairdressers etc.

Those that don't some sort of failure only good enough for stacking
shelves.

Yes, but teachers have always had that sort of mental bias. Hardly
surprising
given that they didn’t end up doing that sort of thing themselves.

But of course all can play with a computer, so
think everything can be done with software.

Plenty don’t, most obviously the natural mechanics and people like Adam.

So many of the traditional skills like carpentry, bricklaying,
plumbing etc are only good enough for immigrants.

Its more than with the very low unemployment rate that Britain
has and the relatively lower building rate that Britain has had for
a long time now for various reasons, fewer and fewer kids have
parents involved in doing that sort of work and so don’t consider
that. Its only a few like Adam that decide that for themselves in
spite of what their parents would have preferred they do.

Who come from countries where such skills are still taught.

You'll find that many of them haven't been taught that stuff in school.

On 10/06/2016 1:40 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
RayL12 wrote:
This country has been massively dumbed down. Schools are useless and
manual skills are ignored. Due to the lack of building skills for
British kids, you now need a passport to get on a work site.

There certainly seems to be some truth in that. Kids are encouraged and
expected to do well at school and then go to uni. Those that don't some
sort of failure only good enough for stacking shelves. But of course all
can play with a computer, so think everything can be done with software.
So many of the traditional skills like carpentry, bricklaying, plumbing
etc are only good enough for immigrants. Who come from countries where
such skills are still taught.


So true, Dave.

Though, as an aside, it is surprising what can be gained from sitting
at a PC these days. A racing sim, for instance, led me to learn so much
about car physics and car attitude. Something I never had an interest
in, otherwise. Indeed, I do not know one car from another, over all.

Many people, who race cars online have been offered seats in real life
race cars and have become champions in the first years! There are some
who may spend many many hours in a single sitting 'playing' as air
traffic controllers. Is this type of person to be better trusted in real
life rather than a well schooled one?

For a 6 month period I was involved in a construction training project
for pre school leavers with a guy who was a construction site manager
for 20 years. He said that the number of British kids coming onto site
reduced to near none. He decided to do something about it.

The kids he took on, male and female, had no affinity with school.
Some doing less than 2 hours a week. However, put tools in their hands
and before too long, these same kids were making demands on their
minders for full weeks attendance; to the shock of their minders. These
kids were considered dysfunctional; unmanageable and, isolated. 'All' of
them began to blossom and open up and the work that some produced was
amazing. I also noticed the reduced stress in the faces of the minders
over the months, too. Kids do not drive themselves into isolation, the
system does.

Further more, when they knew what it was they wanted to be involved
with, they accepted the classroom as part of the same and were full of
questions. Every desk had 'toys'(Site machines) on the desks and on
shelves. Classroom attendance was rarely a full class, some preferring
to be alone while doing paper work. They were allowed to take a brew and
food with them if they wished.

He built 12ft fish tanks filled with fish imported from the Amazon. He
built the artistic furniture they stood on. A 6 meter clock tower and
14ft model of 747 high in the rafters. These things alone drew the kids
into the place. Free to go and make a brew when stress or boredom set in.

Some people cannot simply sit quiet and learn form a chalkboard or,
verbal rhetoric. They need engaging. Some people need to be physically
'busy'. Fidgeting is the first signs of this.

Yes, fundamental learning is a must. However, so is a child's reason
to know why it is. The moment you scream at them, or belittle them, you
have lost them as a student. And many of us know this from the
relationships we have in this room where, no matter how well thought out
a statement is, may not be given any credence based on how we feel about
the poster.

On Friday, 10 June 2016 13:46:00 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
RayL12 wrote:
This country has been massively dumbed down. Schools are useless and
manual skills are ignored. Due to the lack of building skills for
British kids, you now need a passport to get on a work site.

There certainly seems to be some truth in that. Kids are encouraged and
expected to do well at school and then go to uni. Those that don't some
sort of failure only good enough for stacking shelves. But of course all
can play with a computer, so think everything can be done with software.
So many of the traditional skills like carpentry, bricklaying, plumbing
etc are only good enough for immigrants. Who come from countries where
such skills are still taught.

They are not taught because construction firms can get brickies etc from Eastern Europe without all the trouble and expense of paying for training.

So our own youth population is ignored/sidelined.

I bought three crowns from a car boot. The three coins have different faces all three resembling double headers. Never won a bt with them yet, though.

1. 1965 has a head of Elizabeth II the obverse is a fat drunk american half cast who gve Harold Trueman the half of Europe Stalin didn't want.

2. The 1977 one has Elizabeth on horseback on the obverse or does it?
The wierd wreath on the other side is baffling and

3. Q.E.II on the face has the Queen mother on the 1980.

Soooo, OK they are worth more that Euros. But...

are they magnetic as well?
Brian

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I bought three crowns from a car boot. The three coins have different faces
all three resembling double headers. Never won a bt with them yet, though.

1. 1965 has a head of Elizabeth II the obverse is a fat drunk american
half cast who gve Harold Trueman the half of Europe Stalin didn't want.

2. The 1977 one has Elizabeth on horseback on the obverse or does it?
The wierd wreath on the other side is baffling and

3. Q.E.II on the face has the Queen mother on the 1980.

Soooo, OK they are worth more that Euros. But...