I have a 360 Systems Short Cut. For those interested, it's an early self
contained audio editor and play in device. Ideal for TV and stage etc
music and sound effect play in. Cost a fortune new.

Decided to use it the other day, and got the clicking of death from the
HD. It's a SCSI Seagate ST34520N - small by today's standards at only 4.5
GB.

Now I could be wrong as I only have the user manual for this device, but I
think only the programme files are stored on this - the OS is on ROM.

There are used correct HDs available but are pretty expensive - so
wondered if I could use an SSD plus adapter? There's lots of space inside
so the mechanical fixing wouldn't be a problem.

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On Monday, 18 April 2016 11:50:32 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

There are used correct HDs available but are pretty expensive - so
wondered if I could use an SSD plus adapter? There's lots of space inside
so the mechanical fixing wouldn't be a problem.

I would be surprised if a SCSI system cares about the size of the drive as long as it is large enough as I think they are just addressed by sector. You might well be able to use a larger drive without it noticing.

I have a box of old SCSI drives. You are welcome to have one or two for the cost of the postage - once I have copied off the contents and erased them.

John

On 18/04/16 11:40, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
I have a 360 Systems Short Cut. For those interested, it's an early self
contained audio editor and play in device. Ideal for TV and stage etc
music and sound effect play in. Cost a fortune new.

Decided to use it the other day, and got the clicking of death from the
HD. It's a SCSI Seagate ST34520N - small by today's standards at only 4.5
GB.

Now I could be wrong as I only have the user manual for this device, but I
think only the programme files are stored on this - the OS is on ROM.

There are used correct HDs available but are pretty expensive - so
wondered if I could use an SSD plus adapter? There's lots of space inside
so the mechanical fixing wouldn't be a problem.

SCSI to SATA or whatever probably costs more than a SCSI disk


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Josef Stalin

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:40:40 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

I have a 360 Systems Short Cut. For those interested, it's an early self
contained audio editor and play in device. Ideal for TV and stage etc
music and sound effect play in. Cost a fortune new.

Decided to use it the other day, and got the clicking of death from the
HD.

OOI, have you tried quickly rotating the machine (if that's possible)
in the same plane as the drive rotation (not direction particularly)
just as you turn the power on? Not a 'fix' but might get you out of
trouble for now?

It's a SCSI Seagate ST34520N - small by today's standards at only 4.5
GB.

;-)

Now I could be wrong as I only have the user manual for this device, but I
think only the programme files are stored on this - the OS is on ROM.

There are used correct HDs available but are pretty expensive

Feck! http://www.widgetsinc.com/shop/ST34520N.HTML

- so
wondered if I could use an SSD plus adapter? There's lots of space inside
so the mechanical fixing wouldn't be a problem.

Do you have any idea how 'fussy' the capacity is, as long as it's at
least 4.5G, 3.5" and (narrow) SCSI etc?

Cheers, T i m

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:40:40 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:


There are used correct HDs available but are pretty expensive - so
wondered if I could use an SSD plus adapter? There's lots of space inside
so the mechanical fixing wouldn't be a problem.

I've got a number of SCSI 9GB drives ex Compaq servers you are welcome
to have if its any use. They were serviceable when removed!

In article ,
wrote:
On Monday, 18 April 2016 11:50:32 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

There are used correct HDs available but are pretty expensive - so
wondered if I could use an SSD plus adapter? There's lots of space
inside so the mechanical fixing wouldn't be a problem.

I would be surprised if a SCSI system cares about the size of the drive
as long as it is large enough as I think they are just addressed by
sector. You might well be able to use a larger drive without it
noticing.

The answer is I don't know. ;-) I only have the user handbook for the
device which doesn't give any repair details.

I have a box of old SCSI drives. You are welcome to have one or two for
the cost of the postage - once I have copied off the contents and erased
them.

That's very kind of you. I'll get back to you if I can't find a modern
replacement.

John

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Dave Plowman London SW
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En el artículo , Peter Parry
escribió:

I've got a number of SCSI 9GB drives ex Compaq servers you are welcome
to have if its any use. They were serviceable when removed!

They're probably SCA, 80-pin wide SCSI. Dave's ST34520N disk is 50-pin
narrow SCSI; to use a SCA disk he'd need an adapter and therein lies
black candle and sacrificial goat territory.

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In article ,
T i m wrote:
There are used correct HDs available but are pretty expensive

Feck! http://www.widgetsinc.com/shop/ST34520N.HTML

That's even worse than the used one I've found on Ebay for 100 quid. ;-)

- so wondered if I could use an SSD plus adapter? There's lots of
space inside so the mechanical fixing wouldn't be a problem.

Do you have any idea how 'fussy' the capacity is, as long as it's at
least 4.5G, 3.5" and (narrow) SCSI etc?

I dunno. The handbook doesn't give details. I've never got anywhere near
the existing HD's capacity despite having left the material from dozens of
TV progs on it. I never erased anything - except for rubbish. Luckily have
everything backed up.

Of course these days a laptop could do everything that this does. But the
user interface - controls etc - are very easy to use, compared to a
keyboard and mouse or touch screen. It's the sort of thing you could give
to a novice to use for playing in sound effects - so handy for an amateur
stage manager.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 13:06:25 +0100, Mike Tomlinson
wrote:

En el artículo , Peter Parry
escribió:

I've got a number of SCSI 9GB drives ex Compaq servers you are welcome
to have if its any use. They were serviceable when removed!

They're probably SCA, 80-pin wide SCSI.

Yes - wide ultra SCSI 3 it says

En el artículo , Peter Parry
escribió:

Yes - wide ultra SCSI 3 it says

They can be used on a narrow controller, but an adapter is needed and
you have to pay attention to termination, as SCA devices don't include
any integral termination.

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On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 04:34:12 -0700, jrwalliker wrote:

On Monday, 18 April 2016 11:50:32 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

There are used correct HDs available but are pretty expensive - so
wondered if I could use an SSD plus adapter? There's lots of space
inside so the mechanical fixing wouldn't be a problem.

I would be surprised if a SCSI system cares about the size of the drive
as long as it is large enough as I think they are just addressed by
sector. You might well be able to use a larger drive without it
noticing.

In most cases you can hack the firmware tables to make the drive report a
smaller size. I did this for my VAXstation 3100.

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:56:04 +0100, Peter Parry
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:40:40 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:


There are used correct HDs available but are pretty expensive - so
wondered if I could use an SSD plus adapter? There's lots of space inside
so the mechanical fixing wouldn't be a problem.

I've got a number of SCSI 9GB drives ex Compaq servers you are welcome
to have if its any use. They were serviceable when removed!


I've bookmarked this post just in case I need anything for my ML360
which I intend to revive. I believe I'm fairly local to you.

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In article ,
wrote:
I have a box of old SCSI drives. You are welcome to have one or two for
the cost of the postage - once I have copied off the contents and erased
them.

John

John, are they the same as the one I have - 50 pin? If so I'd like to take
you up on the offer.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 19/04/2016 13:20, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
I have a box of old SCSI drives. You are welcome to have one or two for
the cost of the postage - once I have copied off the contents and erased
them.

John

John, are they the same as the one I have - 50 pin? If so I'd like to take
you up on the offer.

If not, I probably have some 50 pin SCSI drives floating about...


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John.

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On Tuesday, 19 April 2016 13:28:46 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
I have a box of old SCSI drives. You are welcome to have one or two for
the cost of the postage - once I have copied off the contents and erased
them.

John

John, are they the same as the one I have - 50 pin? If so I'd like to take
you up on the offer.


Most of them should be 50-pin.
I will have a look this evening and let you know what I have. Copying the
data off the disc collection has been on my Round Tuit list for a few years.
I've got as far as installing a PCI-e SCSI controller in an HP Microserver,
so I'm all set up to do it.

John

On Mon, 18 Apr 2016 13:14:36 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
T i m wrote:
There are used correct HDs available but are pretty expensive

Feck! http://www.widgetsinc.com/shop/ST34520N.HTML

That's even worse than the used one I've found on Ebay for 100 quid. ;-)

- so wondered if I could use an SSD plus adapter? There's lots of
space inside so the mechanical fixing wouldn't be a problem.

Do you have any idea how 'fussy' the capacity is, as long as it's at
least 4.5G, 3.5" and (narrow) SCSI etc?

I dunno. The handbook doesn't give detail

snip

50 pin = 'narrow' SCSI (so that answers that bit). ;-)

If you don't end up with anything I've probably got one you can have
(and I'd just have to drop one in a SCSI tray and format / test it via
the Adaptec diagnostics).

Cheers, T i m

Dave,

I have 3 x ST32550N (2.15GB)
and 3 x M2949SYU (9GB)

Both types are 7200rpm narrow SCSI-2 with a 50-pin connector.

The M2949SYU drives are taller than the ST32550N and run quite hot -
so much so that I fitted small fans to them.

As far as I remember all the drives were working when they were retired
(a very long time ago).

John

In article ,
wrote:
On Tuesday, 19 April 2016 13:28:46 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
I have a box of old SCSI drives. You are welcome to have one or two
for the cost of the postage - once I have copied off the contents
and erased them.

John

John, are they the same as the one I have - 50 pin? If so I'd like to
take you up on the offer.


Most of them should be 50-pin. I will have a look this evening and let
you know what I have. Copying the data off the disc collection has been
on my Round Tuit list for a few years. I've got as far as installing a
PCI-e SCSI controller in an HP Microserver, so I'm all set up to do it.

Did you get my email, John?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On Thursday, 21 April 2016 11:31:00 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Did you get my email, John?

Yes, I did eventually. I only look at that email address a few times a year.
It's a "throwaway" account to catch spam.

I will reply shortly.

John