The latest scaremongering from "Project Fear" is that if we leave the EU women will lose many of their rights, health and safety will vanish from factories and paid leave to workers as a right will disappear. They cite the EU's paid holiday directive 75/457/EEC, which came into force in 1975, as their justification for the claim.

If we look into the facts however we discover that Britain had a Factory Act as early as 1802 covering the health and safety of the workers, limits on working hours came into force as early as 1850, many workers had paid holidays from 1871 and in 1939 it became law that all employees were allowed paid leave, initially one week then two in the 1950s. This later became up to four weeks per year.

So far as I am aware all of this was achieved without the intervention of the EU!

Other things they say we only got because of the EU, such as 'maternity leave' and so on, would have followed without the requirements of directive 75/457/EEC as our society became more 'enlightened' just as these earlier improvements in the 'lot' of workers had come about. They have been driven by public demand and so long as we remain a free society will continue to be.

Talk of this being 'due to the EU' or 'disappearing if we leave' is nothing more than desperation by the 'in side Little Englanders' who seem to think our country is too small to succeed or run its own affairs outside the EU. In that, as in so much else, history proves them wrong.

On 12/04/2016 20:55, harry wrote:
The latest scaremongering from "Project Fear" is that if we leave the EU women will lose many of their rights, health and safety will vanish from factories and paid leave to workers as a right will disappear. They cite the EU's paid holiday directive 75/457/EEC, which came into force in 1975, as their justification for the claim.

If we look into the facts however we discover that Britain had a Factory Act as early as 1802 covering the health and safety of the workers, limits on working hours came into force as early as 1850, many workers had paid holidays from 1871 and in 1939 it became law that all employees were allowed paid leave, initially one week then two in the 1950s. This later became up to four weeks per year.

So far as I am aware all of this was achieved without the intervention of the EU!

Other things they say we only got because of the EU, such as 'maternity leave' and so on, would have followed without the requirements of directive 75/457/EEC as our society became more 'enlightened' just as these earlier improvements in the 'lot' of workers had come about. They have been driven by public demand and so long as we remain a free society will continue to be...

So, you agree with me that we would end up with much the same
legislation, whether we are inside the EU or outside, negating the
argument that the EU is imposing its will on us.


--
Colin Bignell

Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 12/04/2016 20:55, harry wrote:
The latest scaremongering from "Project Fear" is that if we leave the
EU women will lose many of their rights, health and safety will
vanish from factories and paid leave to workers as a right will
disappear. They cite the EU's paid holiday directive 75/457/EEC,
which came into force in 1975, as their justification for the claim.

If we look into the facts however we discover that Britain had a
Factory Act as early as 1802 covering the health and safety of the
workers, limits on working hours came into force as early as 1850,
many workers had paid holidays from 1871 and in 1939 it became law
that all employees were allowed paid leave, initially one week then
two in the 1950s. This later became up to four weeks per year.

So far as I am aware all of this was achieved without the
intervention of the EU!

Other things they say we only got because of the EU, such as
'maternity leave' and so on, would have followed without the
requirements of directive 75/457/EEC as our society became more
'enlightened' just as these earlier improvements in the 'lot' of
workers had come about. They have been driven by public demand and so
long as we remain a free society will continue to be...

So, you agree with me that we would end up with much the same
legislation, whether we are inside the EU or outside, negating the
argument that the EU is imposing its will on us.



No, if we are outside, our judges and parliament determine the
outcome of legislation. Not am appointed court in Europe. The British
legal system is incompatible with the Napoleonic code used in Europe.

In article ,
Capitol wrote:
Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 12/04/2016 20:55, harry wrote:
The latest scaremongering from "Project Fear" is that if we leave the
EU women will lose many of their rights, health and safety will
vanish from factories and paid leave to workers as a right will
disappear. They cite the EU's paid holiday directive 75/457/EEC,
which came into force in 1975, as their justification for the claim.

If we look into the facts however we discover that Britain had a
Factory Act as early as 1802 covering the health and safety of the
workers, limits on working hours came into force as early as 1850,
many workers had paid holidays from 1871 and in 1939 it became law
that all employees were allowed paid leave, initially one week then
two in the 1950s. This later became up to four weeks per year.

So far as I am aware all of this was achieved without the
intervention of the EU!

Other things they say we only got because of the EU, such as
'maternity leave' and so on, would have followed without the
requirements of directive 75/457/EEC as our society became more
'enlightened' just as these earlier improvements in the 'lot' of
workers had come about. They have been driven by public demand and so
long as we remain a free society will continue to be...

So, you agree with me that we would end up with much the same
legislation, whether we are inside the EU or outside, negating the
argument that the EU is imposing its will on us.



No, if we are outside, our judges and parliament determine the
outcome of legislation. Not am appointed court in Europe. The British
legal system is incompatible with the Napoleonic code used in Europe.

1. You mean the English system

2. The EHCR has nothing to do with the EU

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 10:06:10 UTC+1, charles wrote:
In article ,
Capitol wrote:
Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 12/04/2016 20:55, harry wrote:
The latest scaremongering from "Project Fear" is that if we leave the
EU women will lose many of their rights, health and safety will
vanish from factories and paid leave to workers as a right will
disappear. They cite the EU's paid holiday directive 75/457/EEC,
which came into force in 1975, as their justification for the claim.

If we look into the facts however we discover that Britain had a
Factory Act as early as 1802 covering the health and safety of the
workers, limits on working hours came into force as early as 1850,
many workers had paid holidays from 1871 and in 1939 it became law
that all employees were allowed paid leave, initially one week then
two in the 1950s. This later became up to four weeks per year.

So far as I am aware all of this was achieved without the
intervention of the EU!

Other things they say we only got because of the EU, such as
'maternity leave' and so on, would have followed without the
requirements of directive 75/457/EEC as our society became more
'enlightened' just as these earlier improvements in the 'lot' of
workers had come about. They have been driven by public demand and so
long as we remain a free society will continue to be...

So, you agree with me that we would end up with much the same
legislation, whether we are inside the EU or outside, negating the
argument that the EU is imposing its will on us.



No, if we are outside, our judges and parliament determine the
outcome of legislation. Not am appointed court in Europe. The British
legal system is incompatible with the Napoleonic code used in Europe.

1. You mean the English system

2. The EHCR has nothing to do with the EU


Drivel.
http://www.ukipmeps.org/news_256_ECH...embership.html

On 13/04/16 09:30, Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 12/04/2016 20:55, harry wrote:
The latest scaremongering from "Project Fear" is that if we leave the
EU women will lose many of their rights, health and safety will vanish
from factories and paid leave to workers as a right will disappear.
They cite the EU's paid holiday directive 75/457/EEC, which came into
force in 1975, as their justification for the claim.

If we look into the facts however we discover that Britain had a
Factory Act as early as 1802 covering the health and safety of the
workers, limits on working hours came into force as early as 1850,
many workers had paid holidays from 1871 and in 1939 it became law
that all employees were allowed paid leave, initially one week then
two in the 1950s. This later became up to four weeks per year.

So far as I am aware all of this was achieved without the intervention
of the EU!

Other things they say we only got because of the EU, such as
'maternity leave' and so on, would have followed without the
requirements of directive 75/457/EEC as our society became more
'enlightened' just as these earlier improvements in the 'lot' of
workers had come about. They have been driven by public demand and so
long as we remain a free society will continue to be...

So, you agree with me that we would end up with much the same
legislation, whether we are inside the EU or outside, negating the
argument that the EU is imposing its will on us.


No, we might, but then again we might not.

Insofar as a lot of EU legislation is basically uncontroversial and OK,
and is the same in e.g. Australia, why would we not have similar?

However where it is controversial, we wouldn't need to adopt it.

Its called freedom of choice.

You probably don't remember it.

--
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 13/04/2016 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/04/16 09:30, Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 12/04/2016 20:55, harry wrote:
The latest scaremongering from "Project Fear" is that if we leave the
EU women will lose many of their rights, health and safety will vanish
from factories and paid leave to workers as a right will disappear.
They cite the EU's paid holiday directive 75/457/EEC, which came into
force in 1975, as their justification for the claim.

If we look into the facts however we discover that Britain had a
Factory Act as early as 1802 covering the health and safety of the
workers, limits on working hours came into force as early as 1850,
many workers had paid holidays from 1871 and in 1939 it became law
that all employees were allowed paid leave, initially one week then
two in the 1950s. This later became up to four weeks per year.

So far as I am aware all of this was achieved without the intervention
of the EU!

Other things they say we only got because of the EU, such as
'maternity leave' and so on, would have followed without the
requirements of directive 75/457/EEC as our society became more
'enlightened' just as these earlier improvements in the 'lot' of
workers had come about. They have been driven by public demand and so
long as we remain a free society will continue to be...

So, you agree with me that we would end up with much the same
legislation, whether we are inside the EU or outside, negating the
argument that the EU is imposing its will on us.


No, we might, but then again we might not.

Insofar as a lot of EU legislation is basically uncontroversial and OK,
and is the same in e.g. Australia, why would we not have similar?

However where it is controversial, we wouldn't need to adopt it.

Its called freedom of choice.

You probably don't remember it.


I certainly don't remember ever having any choice in the decisions made
by legislators of any kind, home grown or not.

--
Colin Bignell

"Nightjar cpb.me.uk" "insert my surname here wrote in message
...
On 13/04/2016 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/04/16 09:30, Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 12/04/2016 20:55, harry wrote:
The latest scaremongering from "Project Fear" is that if we leave the
EU women will lose many of their rights, health and safety will vanish
from factories and paid leave to workers as a right will disappear.
They cite the EU's paid holiday directive 75/457/EEC, which came into
force in 1975, as their justification for the claim.

If we look into the facts however we discover that Britain had a
Factory Act as early as 1802 covering the health and safety of the
workers, limits on working hours came into force as early as 1850,
many workers had paid holidays from 1871 and in 1939 it became law
that all employees were allowed paid leave, initially one week then
two in the 1950s. This later became up to four weeks per year.

So far as I am aware all of this was achieved without the intervention
of the EU!

Other things they say we only got because of the EU, such as
'maternity leave' and so on, would have followed without the
requirements of directive 75/457/EEC as our society became more
'enlightened' just as these earlier improvements in the 'lot' of
workers had come about. They have been driven by public demand and so
long as we remain a free society will continue to be...

So, you agree with me that we would end up with much the same
legislation, whether we are inside the EU or outside, negating the
argument that the EU is imposing its will on us.


No, we might, but then again we might not.

Insofar as a lot of EU legislation is basically uncontroversial and OK,
and is the same in e.g. Australia, why would we not have similar?

However where it is controversial, we wouldn't need to adopt it.

Its called freedom of choice.

You probably don't remember it.


I certainly don't remember ever having any choice in the decisions made by
legislators of any kind, home grown or not.

You clearly did when you lot gave Brown and his cronies
the bums rush at the ballot box a couple of elections ago.

On 13/04/2016 20:56, Rod Speed wrote:


"Nightjar cpb.me.uk" "insert my surname here wrote in message
...
....
I certainly don't remember ever having any choice in the decisions
made by legislators of any kind, home grown or not.

You clearly did when you lot gave Brown and his cronies
the bums rush at the ballot box a couple of elections ago.

I had no say in that, even though I voted.

--
Colin Bignell

in 1476211 20160413 181117 "Nightjar cpb" "insert my surname here.me.uk" wrote:
On 13/04/2016 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/04/16 09:30, Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 12/04/2016 20:55, harry wrote:
The latest scaremongering from "Project Fear" is that if we leave the
EU women will lose many of their rights, health and safety will vanish
from factories and paid leave to workers as a right will disappear.
They cite the EU's paid holiday directive 75/457/EEC, which came into
force in 1975, as their justification for the claim.

If we look into the facts however we discover that Britain had a
Factory Act as early as 1802 covering the health and safety of the
workers, limits on working hours came into force as early as 1850,
many workers had paid holidays from 1871 and in 1939 it became law
that all employees were allowed paid leave, initially one week then
two in the 1950s. This later became up to four weeks per year.

So far as I am aware all of this was achieved without the intervention
of the EU!

Other things they say we only got because of the EU, such as
'maternity leave' and so on, would have followed without the
requirements of directive 75/457/EEC as our society became more
'enlightened' just as these earlier improvements in the 'lot' of
workers had come about. They have been driven by public demand and so
long as we remain a free society will continue to be...

So, you agree with me that we would end up with much the same
legislation, whether we are inside the EU or outside, negating the
argument that the EU is imposing its will on us.


No, we might, but then again we might not.

Insofar as a lot of EU legislation is basically uncontroversial and OK,
and is the same in e.g. Australia, why would we not have similar?

However where it is controversial, we wouldn't need to adopt it.

Its called freedom of choice.

You probably don't remember it.


I certainly don't remember ever having any choice in the decisions made
by legislators of any kind, home grown or not.

Exactly. "Sovereignty" only has meaning if you are one of the elite running the country.

As I keep saying (sorry!) I'd prefer to be governed by a competent German
than by by an incompetent Brit.
(A German royal family seems to be good enough for us ;-)

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...
in 1476211 20160413 181117 "Nightjar cpb" "insert my surname
here.me.uk" wrote:
On 13/04/2016 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 13/04/16 09:30, Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 12/04/2016 20:55, harry wrote:
The latest scaremongering from "Project Fear" is that if we leave the
EU women will lose many of their rights, health and safety will vanish
from factories and paid leave to workers as a right will disappear.
They cite the EU's paid holiday directive 75/457/EEC, which came into
force in 1975, as their justification for the claim.

If we look into the facts however we discover that Britain had a
Factory Act as early as 1802 covering the health and safety of the
workers, limits on working hours came into force as early as 1850,
many workers had paid holidays from 1871 and in 1939 it became law
that all employees were allowed paid leave, initially one week then
two in the 1950s. This later became up to four weeks per year.

So far as I am aware all of this was achieved without the intervention
of the EU!

Other things they say we only got because of the EU, such as
'maternity leave' and so on, would have followed without the
requirements of directive 75/457/EEC as our society became more
'enlightened' just as these earlier improvements in the 'lot' of
workers had come about. They have been driven by public demand and so
long as we remain a free society will continue to be...

So, you agree with me that we would end up with much the same
legislation, whether we are inside the EU or outside, negating the
argument that the EU is imposing its will on us.


No, we might, but then again we might not.

Insofar as a lot of EU legislation is basically uncontroversial and OK,
and is the same in e.g. Australia, why would we not have similar?

However where it is controversial, we wouldn't need to adopt it.

Its called freedom of choice.

You probably don't remember it.


I certainly don't remember ever having any choice in the decisions made
by legislators of any kind, home grown or not.

Exactly. "Sovereignty" only has meaning if you are one of the elite
running the country.

As I keep saying (sorry!) I'd prefer to be governed by a competent German
than by by an incompetent Brit.

(A German royal family seems to be good enough for us ;-)

No one will agree with you about that once big ears is driving the bus, you
watch.

On 14/04/16 07:43, Bob Martin wrote:
Exactly. "Sovereignty" only has meaning if you are one of the elite running the country.


WEll no, not if you have the power to ditch that elite.


As I keep saying (sorry!) I'd prefer to be governed by a competent German
than by by an incompetent Brit.

Competency is not on offer in the EU.

So your choice is false.

I'd prefer to be governed by an incompetent German than by by an
incompetent Brit is what you are really saying.

I say the reverse, especially if I can sack the ******* if he is British.


(A German royal family seems to be good enough for us;-)

European Royalty was always international.


--
If I had all the money I've spent on drink...
...I'd spend it on drink.

Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End)

On Thursday, 14 April 2016 07:43:56 UTC+1, Bob Martin wrote:


As I keep saying (sorry!) I'd prefer to be governed by a competent German
than by by an incompetent Brit.
(A German royal family seems to be good enough for us ;-)

Why not a competent politition[1] from any country unless you really want Angela Merkel running the UK


[1] not sure where you'd find one, next to the squeeky snake and the constipated rocking horse might be a place to start.

On 14/04/2016 10:01, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Bob Martin
wrote:

in 1476211 20160413 181117 "Nightjar cpb" "insert my surname
here.me.uk"
wrote:

I certainly don't remember ever having any choice in the decisions made
by legislators of any kind, home grown or not.

Exactly. "Sovereignty" only has meaning if you are one of the elite
running
the country.

As I keep saying (sorry!) I'd prefer to be governed by a competent
German than by by an incompetent Brit.
(A German royal family seems to be good enough for us ;-)

You want Britain to be part of the German empire (or someone's empire,
at any rate), is that it? Direct rule from a foreign capital? What the
laws are to simply be promulgated by some foreign entity and we get
told by them being published in, say, the Times?

Already happening. It's called the EU.

I'm trying to picture how it would work.

So is everyone else.




--
Dave - The Medway Handyman

On 13/04/2016 18:51, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , "Nightjar
cpb" "insert my surname here.me.uk" wrote:

On 13/04/2016 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Its called freedom of choice.

You probably don't remember it.

I certainly don't remember ever having any choice in the decisions
made by legislators of any kind, home grown or not.

Correct: we delegate decision making powers to the legislators. The
difference is whether we can dismiss them or not...

Never had any success in doing that with any UK Government either.



--
Colin Bignell

On 13/04/16 19:28, Nightjar cpb wrote:
On 13/04/2016 18:51, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , "Nightjar
cpb" "insert my surname here.me.uk" wrote:

On 13/04/2016 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Its called freedom of choice.

You probably don't remember it.

I certainly don't remember ever having any choice in the decisions
made by legislators of any kind, home grown or not.

Correct: we delegate decision making powers to the legislators. The
difference is whether we can dismiss them or not...

Never had any success in doing that with any UK Government either.



Well enough people voted in Thatcher to set the Unions and the hard left
back a couple of generations.



--
"It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing
conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"

"Nightjar cpb.me.uk" "insert my surname here wrote in message
...
On 13/04/2016 18:51, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , "Nightjar
cpb" "insert my surname here.me.uk" wrote:

On 13/04/2016 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Its called freedom of choice.

You probably don't remember it.

I certainly don't remember ever having any choice in the decisions
made by legislators of any kind, home grown or not.

Correct: we delegate decision making powers to the legislators. The
difference is whether we can dismiss them or not...

Never had any success in doing that with any UK Government either.

That's a lie. You lot just did that with Brown quite recently when
they ****ed up badly enough.

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , "Nightjar
cpb" "insert my surname here.me.uk" wrote:

On 13/04/2016 10:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Its called freedom of choice.

You probably don't remember it.

I certainly don't remember ever having any choice in the decisions made by
legislators of any kind, home grown or not.

Correct: we delegate decision making powers to the legislators. The
difference is whether we can dismiss them or not. We (as in the people,
at an election) cannot dismiss the Commission, which is where EU
legislation originates. Further, the existence or status of the
Commission was not part of the recent "renegotiation". Further (2), the
recent "renegotiation", trumpeted as the greatest triumph of British
diplomacy ever, was in fact no better than "Peace in our time", and if
we don't vote to leave the EU will last about as long as that famous
bit of paper (there is already talk that Cameron's document has no
status and can be overturned).

And further (3), in the wake of the Dutch referendum, which the EU is
deciding to ignore, we have another Cameron, some kind of EU bigwig, I
forget what exactly, is demanding that the EU ban all such referendums.
So that's it for the Danes and the Irish, whose constitutions IIRC
require such, and us who have a law calling for one should it be
proposed to pass more powers to Brussels.

The EU: undemocratic and unreformable.

Anyone want to give me odds that the day after the result, should it be
for brexit, we'll be being told to vote again?

They dont get to tell anyone to do anything if the referendum gets up.

On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 09:30:39 UTC+1, wrote:
On 12/04/2016 20:55, harry wrote:
The latest scaremongering from "Project Fear" is that if we leave the EU women will lose many of their rights, health and safety will vanish from factories and paid leave to workers as a right will disappear. They cite the EU's paid holiday directive 75/457/EEC, which came into force in 1975, as their justification for the claim.

If we look into the facts however we discover that Britain had a Factory Act as early as 1802 covering the health and safety of the workers, limits on working hours came into force as early as 1850, many workers had paid holidays from 1871 and in 1939 it became law that all employees were allowed paid leave, initially one week then two in the 1950s. This later became up to four weeks per year.

So far as I am aware all of this was achieved without the intervention of the EU!

Other things they say we only got because of the EU, such as 'maternity leave' and so on, would have followed without the requirements of directive 75/457/EEC as our society became more 'enlightened' just as these earlier improvements in the 'lot' of workers had come about. They have been driven by public demand and so long as we remain a free society will continue to be...

So, you agree with me that we would end up with much the same
legislation, whether we are inside the EU or outside, negating the
argument that the EU is imposing its will on us.


--
Colin Bignell

We are capable of making our own decisions without the cost of the expensive ******s in the EUSSR.

On 12/04/16 21:54, Tim Streater wrote:
In article ,
harry wrote:

The latest scaremongering from "Project Fear" is that if we leave the
EU women
will lose many of their rights, health and safety will vanish from
factories
and paid leave to workers as a right will disappear. They cite the
EU's paid
holiday directive 75/457/EEC, which came into force in 1975, as their
justification for the claim.

If we look into the facts however we discover that Britain had a
Factory Act
as early as 1802 covering the health and safety of the workers, limits on
working hours came into force as early as 1850, many workers had paid
holidays
from 1871 and in 1939 it became law that all employees were allowed paid
leave, initially one week then two in the 1950s. This later became up
to four
weeks per year.

So far as I am aware all of this was achieved without the intervention
of the
EU!

Other things they say we only got because of the EU, such as
'maternity leave'
and so on, would have followed without the requirements of directive
75/457/EEC as our society became more 'enlightened' just as these earlier
improvements in the 'lot' of workers had come about. They have been
driven by
public demand and so long as we remain a free society will continue to
be.

Talk of this being 'due to the EU' or 'disappearing if we leave' is
nothing
more than desperation by the 'in side Little Englanders' who seem to
think our
country is too small to succeed or run its own affairs outside the EU. In
that, as in so much else, history proves them wrong.

Possibly what they mean is that, in principle, such legislation as was
originally inspired by EU directives could in principle be repealed but
imagine the hoo-ha that would ensue. That would be a way to "lose" it.
What would actually happen would be a proper debate about how much of
this legislation we really need. We could then decide for ourselves
what suits this country instead of having it stuffed down our throats.

Leaving the EU merely gives us back the power to take control of our
destiny somewhat more than we have at the moment.

It is only one step. WE then have top elect people who will take control
of the legal process, decide what out destiny is bloody well going to be
and then get on with it.



--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
WE then have top elect people who will take control of the legal
process, decide what out destiny is bloody well going to be and then
get on with it.

But look at who offers themselves for election.

There is a case for AI after all.
--
Bill

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 23:13:33 +0100, Bill wrote:

But look at who offers themselves for election.

There is a case for AI after all.

We'll be permanently screwed until we *bar* all those who "offer
themselves up for election." Those who seek power should never be allowed
anywhere near it.
The proper approach should be for quality, altruistic individuals to be
nominated from within their communities by those who have personally
known them well for many years - and only such nominees should be put
forward as election candidates (whether they like it or not).

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 23:20:14 -0000 (UTC), Julian Barnes
wrote:



The proper approach should be for quality, altruistic individuals to be
nominated from within their communities by those who have personally
known them well for many years - and only such nominees should be put
forward as election candidates (whether they like it or not).

That sounds a bit like how some members of the House of Lords are
appointed since Hereditary peerages were reduced.
Still sounds a bit too like a members of a club nominating a friend.

An expanded form of Jury service could be another system. A reasonable
number of the population all get a turn for a year.

G.Harman

On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 00:23:36 UTC+1, Julian Barnes wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 23:13:33 +0100, Bill wrote:

But look at who offers themselves for election.

There is a case for AI after all.

We'll be permanently screwed until we *bar* all those who "offer
themselves up for election." Those who seek power should never be allowed
anywhere near it.
The proper approach should be for quality, altruistic individuals to be
nominated from within their communities by those who have personally
known them well for many years - and only such nominees should be put
forward as election candidates (whether they like it or not).

Yes true.
Many candidates are total strangers parachuted in from outside.
Bimbos etc.
All that needs to be stopped.
MPs should have had a proper job and be at least forty years old.

in 1476073 20160413 065020 harry wrote:
On Wednesday, 13 April 2016 00:23:36 UTC+1, Julian Barnes wrote:
On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 23:13:33 +0100, Bill wrote:

But look at who offers themselves for election.

There is a case for AI after all.

We'll be permanently screwed until we *bar* all those who "offer
themselves up for election." Those who seek power should never be allowed
anywhere near it.
The proper approach should be for quality, altruistic individuals to be
nominated from within their communities by those who have personally
known them well for many years - and only such nominees should be put
forward as election candidates (whether they like it or not).

Yes true.
Many candidates are total strangers parachuted in from outside.
Bimbos etc.
All that needs to be stopped.
MPs should have had a proper job and be at least forty years old.

and have children and have served in the armed forces.

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Leaving the EU merely gives us back the power to take control of our
destiny somewhat more than we have at the moment.

Then that would be equally true of every single country, county or city
within the UK too.

It is only one step. WE then have top elect people who will take control
of the legal process, decide what out destiny is bloody well going to be
and then get on with it.

And where are you suddenly going to find competent honest politicians?
That ****** Farage?

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