You're a sage & experienced old bunch hence I thought i'd put this to you;

I bought some new boots (Grisport Fuse) at the back end of last year,
from a long established outdoor shop and took advice from the proprietor
re size and fit. immediately did a fair bit of walking in them (up to 8
miles per day) and over the course of a couple of weeks got sore feet.

Barely worn them since but thought i'd do a bit this weekend, did a
couple of miles on Friday and 3.5 today and I have sore feet again.
The soreness is around the broadest part of the foot, in front of the
ankle, it doesn't look bruised, feels sort of like it has been crushed.

I've never had bother with footwear before beyond rubbing, can't decide
what to do ie. get some different boots or man up and see if it sorts
itself out.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:46:25 +0000, R D S wrote:

You're a sage & experienced old bunch hence I thought i'd put this to
you;

I bought some new boots (Grisport Fuse) at the back end of last year,
from a long established outdoor shop and took advice from the proprietor
re size and fit. immediately did a fair bit of walking in them (up to 8
miles per day) and over the course of a couple of weeks got sore feet.

Barely worn them since but thought i'd do a bit this weekend, did a
couple of miles on Friday and 3.5 today and I have sore feet again.
The soreness is around the broadest part of the foot, in front of the
ankle, it doesn't look bruised, feels sort of like it has been crushed.

I've never had bother with footwear before beyond rubbing, can't decide
what to do ie. get some different boots or man up and see if it sorts
itself out.

If your arch is hurting then it may be that the boots lack arch support.

Don't know which shop you used, but Cotswold Outdoors seem to have a
reasonable boot fitting service.

If the boots fit around the edges then you may need some inserts to
provide more support for the foot.

Is the pain only in the top of the foot?

Could be something as simple as having the laces too tight, but I would go
back to the shop where you bought them and describe the symptoms or
alternatively go to your nearest reputable boot store.

Cheers


Dave R



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On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:46:25 +0000, R D S wrote:

You're a sage & experienced old bunch hence I thought i'd put this to
you;

I bought some new boots (Grisport Fuse) at the back end of last year,
from a long established outdoor shop and took advice from the proprietor
re size and fit. immediately did a fair bit of walking in them (up to 8
miles per day) and over the course of a couple of weeks got sore feet.

Barely worn them since but thought i'd do a bit this weekend, did a
couple of miles on Friday and 3.5 today and I have sore feet again.
The soreness is around the broadest part of the foot, in front of the
ankle, it doesn't look bruised, feels sort of like it has been crushed.

I've never had bother with footwear before beyond rubbing, can't decide
what to do ie. get some different boots or man up and see if it sorts
itself out.

I'd try playing with the lacing. Undo the laces until you reach a point
in front of where the tightness begins, keeping the laces reasonably
tight. At this point tie them off so that they don't move (check that you
can still get the boots off and on!). Your heel should be as far back as
possible. Now carry on with the rest of the lacing, but you won't need to
lace as tightly so there'll be less constriction.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 17:29:53 +0000, David wrote:

On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:46:25 +0000, R D S wrote:
I've never had bother with footwear before beyond rubbing, can't decide
what to do ie. get some different boots or man up and see if it sorts
itself out.

If your arch is hurting then it may be that the boots lack arch support.

Don't know which shop you used, but Cotswold Outdoors seem to have a
reasonable boot fitting service.

If the boots fit around the edges then you may need some inserts to
provide more support for the foot.

Is the pain only in the top of the foot?

Could be something as simple as having the laces too tight, but I would
go back to the shop where you bought them and describe the symptoms or
alternatively go to your nearest reputable boot store.

The pain is largely in the top of the foot.
I bought some new footbeds for them yesterday in the hope that this would
improve matters.

The chap there when I bought them certainly seemed knowledgeable, had me
walking up and down a ramp in various sizes.
This is part of the reason it's ****ing me off, i'd normally buy
something on the net and have no bother but put a bit of effort in and I
can't wear the chuffing things!

On 27/03/2016 19:23, R D S wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 17:29:53 +0000, David wrote:




Footbeds may actually make it worse as it narrows the free space.
Are you using a good hiking sock ?these have loop pile area over the
upper foot to protect against lace over pressure.

On 27/03/2016 17:46, R D S wrote:
The soreness is around the broadest part of the foot, in front of the
ankle, it doesn't look bruised, feels sort of like it has been crushed.

I have great difficulty in finding footwear that doesn't cause that! My
unusual feet mean that the upper can very easily press down on my
instep. No visible bruising but very uncomfortable and once "crushed"
that can last for days.

As others have said, loosen laces. I usually have laces so loose that I
can easily slip shoes off without undoing them. And good, soft, padded
socks - but be careful that they don't actually increase pressure.

--
Rod

polygonum wrote:
On 27/03/2016 17:46, R D S wrote:
The soreness is around the broadest part of the foot, in front of the
ankle, it doesn't look bruised, feels sort of like it has been crushed.

I have great difficulty in finding footwear that doesn't cause that! My
unusual feet mean that the upper can very easily press down on my
instep. No visible bruising but very uncomfortable and once "crushed"
that can last for days.

As others have said, loosen laces. I usually have laces so loose that I
can easily slip shoes off without undoing them. And good, soft, padded
socks - but be careful that they don't actually increase pressure.

Unless you are stomping through rough terrain, use what professional
walkers,runners wear not boots.

You don't say what they are made of or what the insides are lined with.
Normally leather can be softened and made looser. The effect sometimes
occurs due to the bend when only the toes are on the ground kind ofbringing
down the top onto the top of the foot some way back from the toes. I tend to
pack mine out when not in use untill it either stops or I throw them out in
disgust...:-)
Brian

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"R D S" wrote in message
...
You're a sage & experienced old bunch hence I thought i'd put this to you;

I bought some new boots (Grisport Fuse) at the back end of last year,
from a long established outdoor shop and took advice from the proprietor
re size and fit. immediately did a fair bit of walking in them (up to 8
miles per day) and over the course of a couple of weeks got sore feet.

Barely worn them since but thought i'd do a bit this weekend, did a
couple of miles on Friday and 3.5 today and I have sore feet again.
The soreness is around the broadest part of the foot, in front of the
ankle, it doesn't look bruised, feels sort of like it has been crushed.

I've never had bother with footwear before beyond rubbing, can't decide
what to do ie. get some different boots or man up and see if it sorts
itself out.

On 27 Mar 2016 17:36:53 GMT, mick wrote:

On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:46:25 +0000, R D S wrote:

You're a sage & experienced old bunch hence I thought i'd put this to
you;

I bought some new boots (Grisport Fuse) at the back end of last year,
from a long established outdoor shop and took advice from the proprietor
re size and fit. immediately did a fair bit of walking in them (up to 8
miles per day) and over the course of a couple of weeks got sore feet.

Barely worn them since but thought i'd do a bit this weekend, did a
couple of miles on Friday and 3.5 today and I have sore feet again.
The soreness is around the broadest part of the foot, in front of the
ankle, it doesn't look bruised, feels sort of like it has been crushed.

I've never had bother with footwear before beyond rubbing, can't decide
what to do ie. get some different boots or man up and see if it sorts
itself out.

I'd try playing with the lacing. Undo the laces until you reach a point
in front of where the tightness begins, keeping the laces reasonably
tight. At this point tie them off so that they don't move (check that you
can still get the boots off and on!). Your heel should be as far back as
possible. Now carry on with the rest of the lacing, but you won't need to
lace as tightly so there'll be less constriction.

That works for me. On some boots I slacken the laces below a certain point,
then tie a reef knot and carry on lacing. On shoes, I tend to start lacing 1
or 2 'holes' up.
I like the laces tight, as I can't stand(!) the shoe moving on my heel.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 28/03/2016 04:55, F Murtz wrote:
polygonum wrote:
On 27/03/2016 17:46, R D S wrote:
The soreness is around the broadest part of the foot, in front of the
ankle, it doesn't look bruised, feels sort of like it has been crushed.

I have great difficulty in finding footwear that doesn't cause that! My
unusual feet mean that the upper can very easily press down on my
instep. No visible bruising but very uncomfortable and once "crushed"
that can last for days.

As others have said, loosen laces. I usually have laces so loose that I
can easily slip shoes off without undoing them. And good, soft, padded
socks - but be careful that they don't actually increase pressure.

Unless you are stomping through rough terrain, use what professional
walkers,runners wear not boots.

Not appropriate for many reasons:

Running shoes, trainers, etc. are not acceptable for work;
I cannot buy such footwear that fits my feet comfortably. Simply not
available.

--
Rod

On 27/03/2016 17:46, R D S wrote:
You're a sage & experienced old bunch hence I thought i'd put this to you;

I bought some new boots (Grisport Fuse) at the back end of last year,
from a long established outdoor shop and took advice from the proprietor
re size and fit. immediately did a fair bit of walking in them (up to 8
miles per day) and over the course of a couple of weeks got sore feet.

Barely worn them since but thought i'd do a bit this weekend, did a
couple of miles on Friday and 3.5 today and I have sore feet again.
The soreness is around the broadest part of the foot, in front of the
ankle, it doesn't look bruised, feels sort of like it has been crushed.

I've never had bother with footwear before beyond rubbing, can't decide
what to do ie. get some different boots or man up and see if it sorts
itself out.

One solution might lie with the insoles. I understand that boot
manufacturers supply an insole that is effectively worth no more than a
piece of cardboard because they cannot expect to know what each person's
feet are like and they expect you to replace the cardboard and use
something like Superfeet insoles which adapt to your own feet. If you
are near Whalley (Lancs), I would recommend Whalley Warm and Dry for
their fitting service and their different level of custom insoles
Website: http://www.whalleyoutdoor.co.uk/
They have various types of insoles ranging from off-the-peg, through
off-the-peg moulded on a heated pad while you wait, and full
custom-built insoles.
I have no connection with Whalley Warm & Dry other than as a customer.
I have used them to buy boots and have been impressed, and know other
walkers who have used them with similarly satisfactory results.


As another poster pointed out, maybe trail shoes would be an option
instead of boots, but it depends on your prefernece, the terrain you
walk on and the weather.

I have x-posted to uk.rec.walking as although that group is now
quiet-ish, you might get some feedback from there too.

On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 10:36:08 +0100, polygonum wrote:

On 28/03/2016 04:55, F Murtz wrote:
polygonum wrote:
On 27/03/2016 17:46, R D S wrote:
The soreness is around the broadest part of the foot, in front of the
ankle, it doesn't look bruised, feels sort of like it has been
crushed.

I have great difficulty in finding footwear that doesn't cause that!
My unusual feet mean that the upper can very easily press down on my
instep. No visible bruising but very uncomfortable and once "crushed"
that can last for days.

As others have said, loosen laces. I usually have laces so loose that
I can easily slip shoes off without undoing them. And good, soft,
padded socks - but be careful that they don't actually increase
pressure.

Unless you are stomping through rough terrain, use what professional
walkers,runners wear not boots.

Not appropriate for many reasons:

Running shoes, trainers, etc. are not acceptable for work;
I cannot buy such footwear that fits my feet comfortably. Simply not
available.

Depending on which shoes you are saying you can't buy, and what the shape
of your foot is; have you tried New Balance trainers?

I have a broad foot, and NB do 4E width fitting which seems to suit me. I
haven't yet found any other trainer which fits.

I happened to be in Sydney a while back, and there was a shoe sale on.
Went in just to see if they had anything different (Sydneysiders seem very
much into trainers and running in general) and the shop manager said that
they had plenty of wide fittings and he was sure he could sort me out.

After working his way through the usual suspects I ended up with another
pair of New Balance.

My main issue is that most shops in the UK don't seem to stock the extra
wide fittings (although there is no evidence that Brits have delicate
narrow feet).

Brasher (now Berghaus) boots seem to fit me O.K. although most other lasts
don't.

Brasher come in leather which can be smart enough for work (I assume that
it is appearance not foot safety that is the issue).

Oh, and I wouldn't be too hard on the boot fitter, if the problem is in
the area of arch support. I think that this is quite hard to diagnose on
an initial fitting.

It may be worth seeing your doctor and getting an appointment with a
podiatrist, who can diagnose foot problems and provide orthotics to ease
or correct them.

Cheers


Dave R


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"R D S" wrote in message ...

You're a sage & experienced old bunch hence I thought i'd put this to you;

I bought some new boots (Grisport Fuse) at the back end of last year,
from a long established outdoor shop and took advice from the proprietor
re size and fit. immediately did a fair bit of walking in them (up to 8
miles per day) and over the course of a couple of weeks got sore feet.

Barely worn them since but thought i'd do a bit this weekend, did a
couple of miles on Friday and 3.5 today and I have sore feet again.
The soreness is around the broadest part of the foot, in front of the
ankle, it doesn't look bruised, feels sort of like it has been crushed.

I've never had bother with footwear before beyond rubbing, can't decide
what to do ie. get some different boots or man up and see if it sorts
itself out.

Why not contact Grisport and ask there?
http://www.grisport.co.uk/contact-us-i106

They might be keen to be helpful.

On 27/03/2016 19:23, R D S wrote:
On Sun, 27 Mar 2016 17:29:53 +0000, David wrote:

Is the pain only in the top of the foot?

Could be something as simple as having the laces too tight,

Or the tongue is rippled and has maintained that shape as it dried out.
I've had this on one set of working boots and cured by removing laces
and liberally applying some Aussie leather conditioner.

Random example of product listing - not necessarily the best price
http://tinyurl.com/h6ktpmm

It has a grease like consistency and it softens the leather. I now use
it on new leather shoes/boots by applying thickly, then immediately
wearing the foot-ware for a couple of hours and then buffing up the
leather with a clean rag. I find with this method the shoes/boots assume
the shape of my feet better with no pressure points.


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On 28/03/2016 12:09, David wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 10:36:08 +0100, polygonum wrote:

On 28/03/2016 04:55, F Murtz wrote:
polygonum wrote:
On 27/03/2016 17:46, R D S wrote:
The soreness is around the broadest part of the foot, in front of the
ankle, it doesn't look bruised, feels sort of like it has been
crushed.

I have great difficulty in finding footwear that doesn't cause that!
My unusual feet mean that the upper can very easily press down on my
instep. No visible bruising but very uncomfortable and once "crushed"
that can last for days.

As others have said, loosen laces. I usually have laces so loose that
I can easily slip shoes off without undoing them. And good, soft,
padded socks - but be careful that they don't actually increase
pressure.

Unless you are stomping through rough terrain, use what professional
walkers,runners wear not boots.

Not appropriate for many reasons:

Running shoes, trainers, etc. are not acceptable for work;
I cannot buy such footwear that fits my feet comfortably. Simply not
available.

Depending on which shoes you are saying you can't buy, and what the shape
of your foot is; have you tried New Balance trainers?

I have a broad foot, and NB do 4E width fitting which seems to suit me. I
haven't yet found any other trainer which fits.

I happened to be in Sydney a while back, and there was a shoe sale on.
Went in just to see if they had anything different (Sydneysiders seem very
much into trainers and running in general) and the shop manager said that
they had plenty of wide fittings and he was sure he could sort me out.

After working his way through the usual suspects I ended up with another
pair of New Balance.

My main issue is that most shops in the UK don't seem to stock the extra
wide fittings (although there is no evidence that Brits have delicate
narrow feet).

Brasher (now Berghaus) boots seem to fit me O.K. although most other lasts
don't.

Brasher come in leather which can be smart enough for work (I assume that
it is appearance not foot safety that is the issue).

Oh, and I wouldn't be too hard on the boot fitter, if the problem is in
the area of arch support. I think that this is quite hard to diagnose on
an initial fitting.

It may be worth seeing your doctor and getting an appointment with a
podiatrist, who can diagnose foot problems and provide orthotics to ease
or correct them.

Cheers


Dave R


Extreme width (my current shoes are marked HH+) plus an extremely high
instep that rises very steeply. Add a heel that, whilst "normal" to
others, is relatively narrow. And the inability to wear footwear with
built-in arch supports. If I can't move my big toe over on top of its
neighbour, I am very uncomfortable. I need at least a small heel - so
flat footwear is also out.

I have had appointments with both podiatrists and a foot consultant.
Both prescribed exercises and one also prescribed orthotic inserts. The
exercises hurt like hell to do and simply left me almost unable to walk
at all. The orthotics were even worse. Worn for less than two hours,
around the house, and a fortnight of pain ensued.

I wear the few shoes I can manage and use very soft diabetic insoles.
Some also need a small heel wedge.

--
Rod

On 27/03/2016 17:46, R D S wrote:
You're a sage & experienced old bunch hence I thought i'd put this to you;

I bought some new boots (Grisport Fuse) at the back end of last year,
from a long established outdoor shop and took advice from the proprietor
re size and fit. immediately did a fair bit of walking in them (up to 8
miles per day) and over the course of a couple of weeks got sore feet.

Barely worn them since but thought i'd do a bit this weekend, did a
couple of miles on Friday and 3.5 today and I have sore feet again.
The soreness is around the broadest part of the foot, in front of the
ankle, it doesn't look bruised, feels sort of like it has been crushed.

I've never had bother with footwear before beyond rubbing, can't decide
what to do ie. get some different boots or man up and see if it sorts
itself out.


For general insoles, forget the proper purpose made in-soles, they
either soon degrade or squash to next to nothing.
Go to a carpet shop and get some Moonwalk (TM) perforated bathroom
spongey mat runner sold by the metre run, also sold recently in Lidl as
dining table place mats curiously. Cut to your own size left and right
foot, great summer-time advantage of being perforated material . Swap
and invert left and right insoles every now and then.

On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 13:15:24 +0100, polygonum wrote:

I have had appointments with both podiatrists and a foot consultant.
Both prescribed exercises and one also prescribed orthotic inserts. The
exercises hurt like hell to do and simply left me almost unable to walk
at all. The orthotics were even worse. Worn for less than two hours,
around the house, and a fortnight of pain ensued.

Have a look at the middle part of this article
http://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/news/...-over/0014650/
and see if the solution differs from what was prescribed for you - it might
help.

I'm lucky in that, with suitable trail shoes, I can get away with Superfeet
Green inserts.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 28/03/2016 10:37, Allan wrote:
On 27/03/2016 17:46, R D S wrote:
You're a sage & experienced old bunch hence I thought i'd put this to
you;

I bought some new boots (Grisport Fuse) at the back end of last year,
from a long established outdoor shop and took advice from the proprietor
re size and fit. immediately did a fair bit of walking in them (up to 8
miles per day) and over the course of a couple of weeks got sore feet.

Barely worn them since but thought i'd do a bit this weekend, did a
couple of miles on Friday and 3.5 today and I have sore feet again.

Looking those up they're pretty chunky, and while it's still widespread
popular belief that you need dreadnoughts with a high cuff to go off
tarmac more and more folk have found out that the easiest way to stop
getting sore feet is have them do less work, so lighter uppers and a
more flexible sole.
The usual cry is "what about ankle support?", but ankles have evolved
over a long time in to a decent thing for the job of walking around and
not collapsing at the first sign of rough ground.

So I'd have a look at a walking shoe, or a "trail runner" (no running
required) with a decent off-road sole.

One solution might lie with the insoles. I understand that boot
manufacturers supply an insole that is effectively worth no more than a
piece of cardboard because they cannot expect to know what each person's
feet are like and they expect you to replace the cardboard and use
something like Superfeet insoles which adapt to your own feet.

I'm a happy Superfeet user, but they don't adapt to feet (unless you get
the particularly expensive custom-moulded sort), and note that different
insoles are aimed at different things. Superfeet particularly to help
against over-pronation, and as I tend to over-pronate that's why I use
them (in shoes, big winter boots are chunky enough to solve the problem
by themselves).

As another poster pointed out, maybe trail shoes would be an option
instead of boots, but it depends on your prefernece, the terrain you
walk on and the weather.

The terrain is much less of an issue than people assume. Look at what
orienteers and fell runners go over, at speed, in glorified trainers and
it's soon clear boots are not needed for rough terrain. Where they
really score is on snow, keeping feet warm and giving the stiffness to
kick steps in re-frozen snow, and the rigidity to hold crampons.
Preference is a trump, of course, but most people change preference to
lighter shoes as soon as they try them.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
NHS Tayside & Univ. of Dundee Ninewells Hospital & Med. School
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

In article ,
Peter Clinch wrote:

Looking those up they're pretty chunky, and while it's still widespread
popular belief that you need dreadnoughts with a high cuff to go off
tarmac more and more folk have found out that the easiest way to stop
getting sore feet is have them do less work, so lighter uppers and a
more flexible sole.
The usual cry is "what about ankle support?", but ankles have evolved
over a long time in to a decent thing for the job of walking around and
not collapsing at the first sign of rough ground.

Quite. They need exercising, of course, just like anything else, which
can be a bit of a problem for people without easy access to rough going.
But you actually need heavier shoes for tarmac, to reduce the cartilage
and bone damage - on the advice of a physiotherapist, I use Full Strike
insoles on my sandals.

H'it h'isnt the 'eavy 'auling as 'urts the 'orses 'ooves;
Hit's the 'ammer, 'ammer, 'ammer, on the 'ard 'ighway.

The terrain is much less of an issue than people assume. Look at what
orienteers and fell runners go over, at speed, in glorified trainers and
it's soon clear boots are not needed for rough terrain. Where they
really score is on snow, keeping feet warm and giving the stiffness to
kick steps in re-frozen snow, and the rigidity to hold crampons.
Preference is a trump, of course, but most people change preference to
lighter shoes as soon as they try them.

Stiff soles do a lot of harm - they cause people's feet to weaken, they
chew up trails, and they interfere with balance. You need fairly solid
soles for sharp rock, stones, thorns etc., but traditional (i.e. Roman,
Indian etc.) sandals do fine. If it were not for the cold and wet, and
things like heather, I would use them for more walking. Going barefoot
isn't often feasible in the UK because of the cold and wet, though I do
it on occasion, and have done it elsewhere.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 29/03/2016 08:37, PeterC wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 13:15:24 +0100, polygonum wrote:

I have had appointments with both podiatrists and a foot consultant.
Both prescribed exercises and one also prescribed orthotic inserts. The
exercises hurt like hell to do and simply left me almost unable to walk
at all. The orthotics were even worse. Worn for less than two hours,
around the house, and a fortnight of pain ensued.

Have a look at the middle part of this article
http://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/news/...-over/0014650/
and see if the solution differs from what was prescribed for you - it might
help.

I'm lucky in that, with suitable trail shoes, I can get away with Superfeet
Green inserts.

Thank you - very interesting. Most of the time I end up reading about
people with flat feet or dropped arches.

Certainly sounds a bit better thought through than what I received.

--
Rod

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 19:47:20 +0100, polygonum wrote:

On 29/03/2016 08:37, PeterC wrote:
On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 13:15:24 +0100, polygonum wrote:

I have had appointments with both podiatrists and a foot consultant.
Both prescribed exercises and one also prescribed orthotic inserts. The
exercises hurt like hell to do and simply left me almost unable to walk
at all. The orthotics were even worse. Worn for less than two hours,
around the house, and a fortnight of pain ensued.

Have a look at the middle part of this article
http://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/news/...-over/0014650/
and see if the solution differs from what was prescribed for you - it might
help.

I'm lucky in that, with suitable trail shoes, I can get away with Superfeet
Green inserts.

Thank you - very interesting. Most of the time I end up reading about
people with flat feet or dropped arches.

Certainly sounds a bit better thought through than what I received.

You're welcome - happy feet are penguins :-)

I took some interest in this a few years ago when I got back into walking
after 20+ years of long-distance cycling. The joints, muscles, tendons and
ligaments were all 'wrong' but my feet needed a lot of considering.
Not high arches, but weak, I guess and also the forefoot splays a lot
(Altberg's boot-fitter was most, um, 'impressed'!).
Fortunately, Superfeet Greens worked for me. I shall give the Moonwalk
mentioned upthread a go when a tuit arrives.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 28/03/2016 17:37, Allan wrote:
On 27/03/2016 17:46, R D S wrote:
You're a sage & experienced old bunch hence I thought i'd put this to
you;

I bought some new boots


Stop right there!

Boots just aren't very good in most situations.

Get some comfy walking shoes - you'll appreciate the liberation.