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Blocking a window advice please
Looking to block 2 windows, one in each upstairs bedroom. They are
identical, size approx 1.2m x 1.5m. They are in a timber-frame extension that we added around 10 years ago, so the council will have a copy of the drawings, showing that there are meant to be windows there. We are not planning to sell yet, but I am sure the buyers' solicitor will request to have a look at the paperwork once we do. Questions: 1. Do we require planning permission or any other paperwork for that? Both bedrooms have 2 more windows each. 2. What would be a (very) rough estimate of the cost involved? - remove double glazed windows - Plasterboard internally + insulation - Bricks on the outside - Plaster inside + roughcast the outside. - Access is easy, and may not even require scaffolding (most can all be done from the inside and I will be happy to fill a bucket with bricks/plaster/etc to be pulled to someone standing on a ladder...). 3. Can I assume that the best man for the job would be a handyman-type person, rather than having several people over for such a small job? Many thanks in advance. |
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On Friday, 4 March 2016 15:28:08 UTC, JoeJoe wrote:
Looking to block 2 windows, one in each upstairs bedroom. They are identical, size approx 1.2m x 1.5m. They are in a timber-frame extension that we added around 10 years ago, so the council will have a copy of the drawings, showing that there are meant to be windows there. We are not planning to sell yet, but I am sure the buyers' solicitor will request to have a look at the paperwork once we do. Questions: 1. Do we require planning permission or any other paperwork for that? Both bedrooms have 2 more windows each. legally yes. Most people don't do it though. The buyer will likely ask for a valueless £200 insurance policy to cover it. NT |
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On Friday, 4 March 2016 15:28:08 UTC, JoeJoe wrote:
Looking to block 2 windows, one in each upstairs bedroom. They are identical, size approx 1.2m x 1.5m. 1. Do we require planning permission or any other paperwork for that? Both bedrooms have 2 more windows each. You may require planning; you will probably require Building Regulations approval to reduce the amount of daylight and ventilation in the rooms. 2. What would be a (very) rough estimate of the cost involved? General builder - a thousand or two? You won't require full scaff but you will need an access tower or 2. Ensure that your builder is aware you want the window removed carefully for subsequent ebaying. Owain |
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JoeJoe wrote: Looking to block 2 windows, one in each upstairs bedroom. They are identical, size approx 1.2m x 1.5m. They are in a timber-frame extension that we added around 10 years ago, so the council will have a copy of the drawings, showing that there are meant to be windows there. We are not planning to sell yet, but I am sure the buyers' solicitor will request to have a look at the paperwork once we do. Questions: 1. Do we require planning permission or any other paperwork for that? Both bedrooms have 2 more windows each. 2. What would be a (very) rough estimate of the cost involved? - remove double glazed windows - Plasterboard internally + insulation - Bricks on the outside - Plaster inside + roughcast the outside. - Access is easy, and may not even require scaffolding (most can all be done from the inside and I will be happy to fill a bucket with bricks/plaster/etc to be pulled to someone standing on a ladder...). 3. Can I assume that the best man for the job would be a handyman-type person, rather than having several people over for such a small job? Many thanks in advance. Why not simply plasterboard over on the inside? You could easily make it look like they ain't there. And if and when you sell, the new owner would have the choice of leaving it as is, or reinstating. And no problems with planning. -- *A conscience is what hurts when all your other parts feel so good * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article9fydna_GTs0YNETLnZ2dnUU78X_NnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk, wrote: Looking to block 2 windows, one in each upstairs bedroom. They are identical, size approx 1.2m x 1.5m. They are in a timber-frame extension that we added around 10 years ago, so the council will have a copy of the drawings, showing that there are meant to be windows there. We are not planning to sell yet, but I am sure the buyers' solicitor will request to have a look at the paperwork once we do. Questions: 1. Do we require planning permission or any other paperwork for that? Both bedrooms have 2 more windows each. 2. What would be a (very) rough estimate of the cost involved? - remove double glazed windows - Plasterboard internally + insulation - Bricks on the outside - Plaster inside + roughcast the outside. - Access is easy, and may not even require scaffolding (most can all be done from the inside and I will be happy to fill a bucket with bricks/plaster/etc to be pulled to someone standing on a ladder...). 3. Can I assume that the best man for the job would be a handyman-type person, rather than having several people over for such a small job? Many thanks in advance. Why not simply plasterboard over on the inside? You could easily make it look like they ain't there. And if and when you sell, the new owner would have the choice of leaving it as is, or reinstating. And no problems with planning. Good point. |
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On 04/03/2016 16:36, Capitol wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article9fydna_GTs0YNETLnZ2dnUU78X_NnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk, wrote: Looking to block 2 windows, one in each upstairs bedroom. They are identical, size approx 1.2m x 1.5m. They are in a timber-frame extension that we added around 10 years ago, so the council will have a copy of the drawings, showing that there are meant to be windows there. We are not planning to sell yet, but I am sure the buyers' solicitor will request to have a look at the paperwork once we do. Questions: 1. Do we require planning permission or any other paperwork for that? Both bedrooms have 2 more windows each. 2. What would be a (very) rough estimate of the cost involved? - remove double glazed windows - Plasterboard internally + insulation - Bricks on the outside - Plaster inside + roughcast the outside. - Access is easy, and may not even require scaffolding (most can all be done from the inside and I will be happy to fill a bucket with bricks/plaster/etc to be pulled to someone standing on a ladder...). 3. Can I assume that the best man for the job would be a handyman-type person, rather than having several people over for such a small job? Many thanks in advance. Why not simply plasterboard over on the inside? You could easily make it look like they ain't there. And if and when you sell, the new owner would have the choice of leaving it as is, or reinstating. And no problems with planning. Good point. Haven't thought about that! So just plasterboard and fill the void with insulation? What about condensation? |
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On Friday, 4 March 2016 16:52:04 UTC, JoeJoe wrote:
On 04/03/2016 16:36, Capitol wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article9fydna_GTs0YNETLnZ2dnUU78X_NnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk, wrote: Looking to block 2 windows, one in each upstairs bedroom. They are identical, size approx 1.2m x 1.5m. They are in a timber-frame extension that we added around 10 years ago, so the council will have a copy of the drawings, showing that there are meant to be windows there. We are not planning to sell yet, but I am sure the buyers' solicitor will request to have a look at the paperwork once we do. Questions: 1. Do we require planning permission or any other paperwork for that? Both bedrooms have 2 more windows each. 2. What would be a (very) rough estimate of the cost involved? - remove double glazed windows - Plasterboard internally + insulation - Bricks on the outside - Plaster inside + roughcast the outside. - Access is easy, and may not even require scaffolding (most can all be done from the inside and I will be happy to fill a bucket with bricks/plaster/etc to be pulled to someone standing on a ladder...). 3. Can I assume that the best man for the job would be a handyman-type person, rather than having several people over for such a small job? Many thanks in advance. Why not simply plasterboard over on the inside? You could easily make it look like they ain't there. And if and when you sell, the new owner would have the choice of leaving it as is, or reinstating. And no problems with planning. Good point. Haven't thought about that! So just plasterboard and fill the void with insulation? What about condensation? if the window's not fully airtight it'll get gradual ventilation. Use foil lined insulation (on the warm side!) to block water vapour. NT |
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On 04/03/2016 16:51, JoeJoe wrote:
Haven't thought about that! So just plasterboard and fill the void with insulation? What about condensation? A couple of our kitchen windows were plaster boarded over when we moved in. We thought of reinstating them, but we preferred top have the extra wall cupboards. Never been an issue about condensation. I guess the plasterboard just soaks up any moisture, and it gets transmitted through to the kitchen. It's all single glazed, btw. |
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JoeJoe wrote: Why not simply plasterboard over on the inside? You could easily make it look like they ain't there. And if and when you sell, the new owner would have the choice of leaving it as is, or reinstating. And no problems with planning. Good point. Haven't thought about that! So just plasterboard and fill the void with insulation? What about condensation? I'd first clean the window inside and paint it with black emulsion. Easy enough to scrape off afterwards if needed. Don't think condensation will be a problem - unless it was before. The plasterboard and insulation will mean the window is about the same temperature on both sides. The black paint will make it look good from the outside. Seeing insulation etc through it decidedly naff. ;-) -- *A plateau is a high form of flattery* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 4:52:04 PM UTC, JoeJoe wrote:
On 04/03/2016 16:36, Capitol wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article9fydna_GTs0YNETLnZ2dnUU78X_NnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk, wrote: Looking to block 2 windows, one in each upstairs bedroom. They are identical, size approx 1.2m x 1.5m. They are in a timber-frame extension that we added around 10 years ago, so the council will have a copy of the drawings, showing that there are meant to be windows there. We are not planning to sell yet, but I am sure the buyers' solicitor will request to have a look at the paperwork once we do. Questions: 1. Do we require planning permission or any other paperwork for that? Both bedrooms have 2 more windows each. 2. What would be a (very) rough estimate of the cost involved? - remove double glazed windows - Plasterboard internally + insulation - Bricks on the outside - Plaster inside + roughcast the outside. - Access is easy, and may not even require scaffolding (most can all be done from the inside and I will be happy to fill a bucket with bricks/plaster/etc to be pulled to someone standing on a ladder...). 3. Can I assume that the best man for the job would be a handyman-type person, rather than having several people over for such a small job? Many thanks in advance. Why not simply plasterboard over on the inside? You could easily make it look like they ain't there. And if and when you sell, the new owner would have the choice of leaving it as is, or reinstating. And no problems with planning. Good point. Haven't thought about that! So just plasterboard and fill the void with insulation? What about condensation? I'd make some sort of shutters that could be almost permanently left closed. On the outside or inside depending on the reason for blocking. Simon. |
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On 04/03/2016 16:51, JoeJoe wrote:
On 04/03/2016 16:36, Capitol wrote: Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article9fydna_GTs0YNETLnZ2dnUU78X_NnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk, wrote: Looking to block 2 windows, one in each upstairs bedroom. They are identical, size approx 1.2m x 1.5m. They are in a timber-frame extension that we added around 10 years ago, so the council will have a copy of the drawings, showing that there are meant to be windows there. We are not planning to sell yet, but I am sure the buyers' solicitor will request to have a look at the paperwork once we do. Questions: 1. Do we require planning permission or any other paperwork for that? Both bedrooms have 2 more windows each. 2. What would be a (very) rough estimate of the cost involved? - remove double glazed windows - Plasterboard internally + insulation - Bricks on the outside - Plaster inside + roughcast the outside. - Access is easy, and may not even require scaffolding (most can all be done from the inside and I will be happy to fill a bucket with bricks/plaster/etc to be pulled to someone standing on a ladder...). 3. Can I assume that the best man for the job would be a handyman-type person, rather than having several people over for such a small job? Many thanks in advance. Why not simply plasterboard over on the inside? You could easily make it look like they ain't there. And if and when you sell, the new owner would have the choice of leaving it as is, or reinstating. And no problems with planning. Good point. Haven't thought about that! So just plasterboard and fill the void with insulation? What about condensation? As said by Dave, black the windows from the inside. Leave the window shutters open to allow an element of ventilation. Ensure there is a small gap between window and insulation, use batons to stand off the insulation. Use foil backed plasterboard. There must be an efficient vapour barrier to stop warm moist air from the room from escaping into the window cavity. You shouldn't see any condensation. |
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On Friday, 4 March 2016 17:17:24 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , JoeJoe wrote: Why not simply plasterboard over on the inside? You could easily make it look like they ain't there. And if and when you sell, the new owner would have the choice of leaving it as is, or reinstating. And no problems with planning. Good point. Haven't thought about that! So just plasterboard and fill the void with insulation? What about condensation? I'd first clean the window inside and paint it with black emulsion. Easy would look odd. A curtain might be better. NT |
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On 04/03/2016 16:13, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article9fydna_GTs0YNETLnZ2dnUU78X_NnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk, wrote: Looking to block 2 windows, one in each upstairs bedroom. They are identical, size approx 1.2m x 1.5m. They are in a timber-frame extension that we added around 10 years ago, so the council will have a copy of the drawings, showing that there are meant to be windows there. We are not planning to sell yet, but I am sure the buyers' solicitor will request to have a look at the paperwork once we do. Questions: 1. Do we require planning permission or any other paperwork for that? Both bedrooms have 2 more windows each. 2. What would be a (very) rough estimate of the cost involved? - remove double glazed windows - Plasterboard internally + insulation - Bricks on the outside - Plaster inside + roughcast the outside. - Access is easy, and may not even require scaffolding (most can all be done from the inside and I will be happy to fill a bucket with bricks/plaster/etc to be pulled to someone standing on a ladder...). 3. Can I assume that the best man for the job would be a handyman-type person, rather than having several people over for such a small job? Many thanks in advance. Why not simply plasterboard over on the inside? You could easily make it look like they ain't there. And if and when you sell, the new owner would have the choice of leaving it as is, or reinstating. And no problems with planning. That's a recipe for trapping moisture between window and plasterboard - resulting in mildew and fungus build-up, which you can't get at to remedy without removing the plasterboard. You'll know it's there when the plasterboard turns black! I've seen one or two nasty examples of that - admittedly with poorly sealed single glazing, but plasterboard behind double glazing could well suffer the same fate. -- Cheers, Roger ____________ Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom checked. |
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wrote: I'd first clean the window inside and paint it with black emulsion. would look odd. A curtain might be better. It doesn't. I know because I've done it. Especially on an upstairs window where you'll not get close to it. -- *What do little birdies see when they get knocked unconscious? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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wrote in message ... On Friday, 4 March 2016 17:17:24 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , JoeJoe wrote: Why not simply plasterboard over on the inside? You could easily make it look like they ain't there. And if and when you sell, the new owner would have the choice of leaving it as is, or reinstating. And no problems with planning. Good point. Haven't thought about that! So just plasterboard and fill the void with insulation? What about condensation? I'd first clean the window inside and paint it with black emulsion. Easy would look odd. A curtain might be better. Not sure its going to look great for too long tho. Something that looks like an internal shutter would probably look fine for much longer. |
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Rod Speed wrote: I'd first clean the window inside and paint it with black emulsion. would look odd. A curtain might be better. Not sure its going to look great for too long tho. Something that looks like an internal shutter would probably look fine for much longer. It might initially. But as with curtains or blinds might start to look tatty or dirty in time as can the inside of the window. And you'd not be able to clean it. -- *Bigamy is having one wife too many - monogamy is the same Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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The problem may be worse if you are in a conservation zone though.Might one
ask why these need to be blocked, Perhaps just something temporary could be done on the inside which could be removed by any buyer later on. Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! wrote in message ... On Friday, 4 March 2016 15:28:08 UTC, JoeJoe wrote: Looking to block 2 windows, one in each upstairs bedroom. They are identical, size approx 1.2m x 1.5m. They are in a timber-frame extension that we added around 10 years ago, so the council will have a copy of the drawings, showing that there are meant to be windows there. We are not planning to sell yet, but I am sure the buyers' solicitor will request to have a look at the paperwork once we do. Questions: 1. Do we require planning permission or any other paperwork for that? Both bedrooms have 2 more windows each. legally yes. Most people don't do it though. The buyer will likely ask for a valueless £200 insurance policy to cover it. NT |
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jim k Wrote in message:
Wrote in message: On Friday, 4 March 2016 15:28:08 UTC, JoeJoe wrote: Looking to block 2 windows, one in each upstairs bedroom. They are identical, size approx 1.2m x 1.5m. They are in a timber-frame extension that we added around 10 years ago, so the council will have a copy of the drawings, showing that there are meant to be windows there. We are not planning to sell yet, but I am sure the buyers' solicitor will request to have a look at the paperwork once we do. Questions: 1. Do we require planning permission or any other paperwork for that? Both bedrooms have 2 more windows each. legally yes. Most people don't do it though. The buyer will likely ask for a valueless £200 insurance policy to cover it. Got a link to this "legally yes" bit? Given there are other windows already there, what laws are being broken? As we've come to expect then, more unsubstantiated bs fromnige... -- Jim K ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
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On 05/03/2016 11:15, Brian Gaff wrote:
The problem may be worse if you are in a conservation zone though.Might one ask why these need to be blocked, Perhaps just something temporary could be done on the inside which could be removed by any buyer later on. Brian Just to clarify: we never really wanted those windows in the first place. The council forced us to have two HUGE windows in each bedroom as a condition for the PP being granted. That was the order of the day at the time by these idiots - our neighbours on either side that had a similar extension done 3 years later were not required to do that... Then our architect made a heroic effort and managed to persuade us, against our better judgement, that the one extra window in each room was a must (his words). Needles to say that neither of the extra windows HAVE EVER been opened, and in fact the curtains have only ever being drawn to wipe the dust off the windows sills every few months... They do, however, seriously limit the layout options, so unless very expensive, we would rather make do without them all together. Mentioned the suggestion about partial blocking to The Boss, and she is having non of it and wants it done properly (her words)... So, back to my original questions please: - Do I need any permission from the council, and; - rough estimate of cost Thanks again. |
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JoeJoe wrote: So, back to my original questions please: - Do I need any permission from the council, and; If the council insisted on them in the first place, they're unlikely to allow them to be removed later, I'd say. But you can always ask them. -- *Avoid clichés like the plague. (They're old hat.) * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote
Rod Speed wrote I'd first clean the window inside and paint it with black emulsion. would look odd. A curtain might be better. Not sure its going to look great for too long tho. Something that looks like an internal shutter would probably look fine for much longer. It might initially. But as with curtains or blinds might start to look tatty or dirty in time as can the inside of the window. And you'd not be able to clean it. That's what I meant. But if it looked like the outside of an internal shutter, it wouldn't ever look tatty tho it could look pretty bad pretty quickly if you end up with mould on it etc. Your approach of painting the glass black would do much better but wouldn’t look anything like as good initially. That would look rather odd IMO. It wouldn’t be hard to paint the glass so it looks like an internal shutter and since its on the inside of the glass, would stay pristine except with the most obscene levels of mould growing right thru the paint and it shouldn’t be hard to avoid that by not letting it get that wet and using an antimould paint like is used in boats internally and bathrooms etc. |
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On Sat, 05 Mar 2016 00:01:41 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , wrote: I'd first clean the window inside and paint it with black emulsion. would look odd. A curtain might be better. It doesn't. I know because I've done it. Especially on an upstairs window where you'll not get close to it. I don't know if the top windows on this building were ever glazed or always blind but very few people notice they are just painted if the reaction of friends and colleagues when it was pointed out to them is anything to go by. https://goo.gl/maps/bzGPEsQ2RDE2 The fifth window along shows a bit of humour by a painter who did the job a few decades ago and subsequent repaints have retained what he did. A partially opened window with a painted paint tin and brush on the sill. G.Harman |
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"JoeJoe" wrote in message o.uk... On 05/03/2016 11:15, Brian Gaff wrote: The problem may be worse if you are in a conservation zone though.Might one ask why these need to be blocked, Perhaps just something temporary could be done on the inside which could be removed by any buyer later on. Brian Just to clarify: we never really wanted those windows in the first place. The council forced us to have two HUGE windows in each bedroom as a condition for the PP being granted. That was the order of the day at the time by these idiots - our neighbours on either side that had a similar extension done 3 years later were not required to do that... Then our architect made a heroic effort and managed to persuade us, against our better judgement, that the one extra window in each room was a must (his words). Needles to say that neither of the extra windows HAVE EVER been opened, and in fact the curtains have only ever being drawn to wipe the dust off the windows sills every few months... They do, however, seriously limit the layout options, so unless very expensive, we would rather make do without them all together. Mentioned the suggestion about partial blocking to The Boss, and she is having non of it and wants it done properly (her words)... So, back to my original questions please: - Do I need any permission from the council, Very likely if you were required to have them in the first place. and; - rough estimate of cost |
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On Sat, 5 Mar 2016 15:01:13 +0000, JoeJoe wrote:
- Do I need any permission from the council, and; 'Visit' the planning department with photographs and ask for an informal opinion. You won't get an informed opinion here because none of us know the context or why they were insisted upon in the first place. - rough estimate of cost £1,000 - my guess |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
... In article , JoeJoe wrote: Why not simply plasterboard over on the inside? You could easily make it look like they ain't there. And if and when you sell, the new owner would have the choice of leaving it as is, or reinstating. And no problems with planning. Good point. Haven't thought about that! So just plasterboard and fill the void with insulation? What about condensation? I'd first clean the window inside and paint it with black emulsion. Easy enough to scrape off afterwards if needed. Don't think condensation will be a problem - unless it was before. The plasterboard and insulation will mean the window is about the same temperature on both sides. The black paint will make it look good from the outside. Seeing insulation etc through it decidedly naff. ;-) So like this then? https://goo.gl/maps/d7ZDELGcNL72 They are not windows. -- Adam |
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ARW wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , JoeJoe wrote: Why not simply plasterboard over on the inside? You could easily make it look like they ain't there. And if and when you sell, the new owner would have the choice of leaving it as is, or reinstating. And no problems with planning. Good point. Haven't thought about that! So just plasterboard and fill the void with insulation? What about condensation? I'd first clean the window inside and paint it with black emulsion. Easy enough to scrape off afterwards if needed. Don't think condensation will be a problem - unless it was before. The plasterboard and insulation will mean the window is about the same temperature on both sides. The black paint will make it look good from the outside. Seeing insulation etc through it decidedly naff. ;-) So like this then? https://goo.gl/maps/d7ZDELGcNL72 They are not windows. Bit of a giveaway when they're all like that. But one or two among ordinary windows - especially above ground level - are likely to go unnoticed -- *Why is the man who invests all your money called a broker? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes Bit of a giveaway when they're all like that. But one or two among ordinary windows - especially above ground level - are likely to go unnoticed Agreed. One of our windows is blocked off, and is not noticeable from either inside or outside. Done long before we bought the house, so I don't have construction details. Looking from outside, the inside of the window is painted black (no colours any more), and just does not stand out. From inside, you would never know there was a 'hidden' window. The window is at the side of the house, but faces a road as we are on a corner. -- Graeme |
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